Re: WAS: yet another MR NOW: Food and behavior st...

[Guest guest]

Irritability? Really? For those of you that have yeast issues can

you please clear them up so we can all sing kumbayya? )

=====

[Guest guest]

I didn't miss a thing, including the first time you posted this link

emphatically, yet erroneously stating that it did not list yeast as

a potential cause of penile itching as you berated another member.

My comments below also relate to the tone and attitude reflected in

your post (and so many, many others like it of late.) Hence, the

tongue-in-cheek reference to vision problems, another topic drawing

fire from you in recent days.

>

> I never said yeast didn't happen! Just not in my house to either

me

> or my two boys or my husband. That doesn't make me myopic -

> just 'unyeasty' and stating personal facts. May have missed my

next

> post it may be because we eat yogurt often. Also I posted wrong

> diagnosis to show that there are 17 reasons they list for why one

can

> get itchy...there. Candida was just one of them and it's not one

of

> the hyperlinked reasons.

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

I don't about a test, but here are three non-invasive, safe, healthy

ways to reduce yeast anywhere in your body:

1. Good quality probiotic increases good bacteria (especially

important after antibiotic treatment) -- very safe even if your son

doesn't actually have a yeast infection

2. Diet changes, primarily low sugar -- sugar feeds yeast (people

with severe/intractable yeast problems need to avoid other things as

well, but cutting back on sugar is helpful for most)

-- very safe even if your son doesn't actually have a yeast infection

3. Natural anti-fungals or oral or topical prescription anti-fungals

like Nystatin and Diflucan (under doctor's treatment only) -- we

haven't used any of the natural anti-fungals, so I can't speak

knowledgeably on this point. In this category, if you use too much

too soon, your son may experience a " die-off " reaction initially

before feeling better. Always go low and slow with the natural

stuff. Doctor will (obviously) advise you if giving prescription

medications.

Assuming the yeast is confined to one area and not systemic, you

should be able to knock it out relatively easily.

in NJ

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 2/29/2008 8:44:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> > bigcheech91@ writes:

> >

> > Sorry to any who find this topic gross. I honestly can't believe

I

> > started it. How did I end up with three boys?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The very same way I've ended up with FIVE! LOL

> > If anyone would have told me this way back when-- I'm not sure I

> would have

> > handled the news too well back then.

> >

> >

> > Becky

> >

> >

> >

> > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL

> Living.

> > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-

eater/rachel-

> campos-duffy/

> > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Well, with double probiotics and no Girl Scout cookies, my son is

still crabby, but the itchy penis seems to be gone (without any

medication). So now the debate has officially lasted longer than the

orginal problem.

I always love a singing nun, so Kumbaya back at you.

in NJ

>

> Irritability? Really? For those of you that have yeast issues can

> you please clear them up so we can all sing kumbayya? )

>

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

He tends to be itchy all over, but I think he has excema (sp?)

because he gets the itchy red bumps on his belly too. How can you

tell if yeast is systemic or not??? Is there a way? I wonder if I

should just run an OAT or MAP on him to look for yeast metabolites.

Thanks for the feedback.

Michele

[Guest guest]

Michele,

I will defer to my 13 year old's expertise on this matter! We use Candex for

overnight relief of yeast symptoms but for 'immediate' assistance, he prefers

the ThreeLac which seems to settle the yeast-beast down in about 20 minutes....

he says that this depends upon how strong the 'attack' is. Note that Mark is

standing right beside me giving all of you advice right now! How funny!

He never was a yeasty kid but since we began DMSA, this issue does now crop up

since DMSA tends to kick up yeast.

Janice

writing on behalf of Mark.....

[Guest guest]

The Yeast Connection may be a helpful read.

>

> He tends to be itchy all over, but I think he has excema (sp?)

> because he gets the itchy red bumps on his belly too. How can you

> tell if yeast is systemic or not??? Is there a way? I wonder if I

> should just run an OAT or MAP on him to look for yeast metabolites.

>

> Thanks for the feedback.

> Michele

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/3/2008 3:56:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jscott@... writes:

Another natural item which I have heard good things about but have not yet

found a technique to adminsiter because it is sooooo strong is Grapefruit Seed

Extract. It is a natural yeast killer that many moms use.

If any use GSE on this board, I would love to hear how you get it into your

child...... (without acidentally giving them too strong a dose... it is

potent stuff and very acidic) I'm too scared to use it!

Janice--

I am a GSE user-- but depending on what it's needed for. It *IS* strong,

but for older kids and adults, we just " suck it up " and drink it in a glass of

water-- couple of drops etc.

for yeast issues--t his is quite effective.

I had intraductal yeast--- speaking about all these yeastie beasties. LOL

It's different than the systemic yeast and different than the yeast

infections vaginally etc. But-- talk about SEVER PAIN-- you could ask me if

I'd

rather be shot at point blank in the knee or have the intraductal yeast (in the

breast ducts) again, I would outright say shoot the knee out-- I'd feel less

pain. It was THAT severe!!! (and that painful)

But I used GSE for washing my clothing and " disinfecting " etc--and it was

effective, and I also had used it to swab the baby's mouth at one point (and

even husband's-- didn't want to risk any cross-contamination)

becky

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[Guest guest]

Itchy on the belly sounds like eczema, not yeast. The fish oil

helped our eczema here. If that's not enough, a great, natural

topical cure is Evening Primrose Oil. Poke a hole in a capsule and

squeeze it onto the eczema. It is a slower cure than steroid creams,

but it definitely works. And it feels better instantly due to the

anti-inflammatory effect. (That's what the PA at my dermatologist's

office said.) I used this myself when I couldn't use prescription

creams due to breastfeeding.

Eczema can appear as a result of a food sensitivity, so you may want

to keep a food diary. Personally, I have never been able to nail

down the cause of my eczema, but it doesn't seem to be related to

food for me. As I posted previously, I think yeast labwork is

helpful, but the results can be ambiguous.

in NJ

>

> He tends to be itchy all over, but I think he has excema (sp?)

> because he gets the itchy red bumps on his belly too. How can you

> tell if yeast is systemic or not??? Is there a way? I wonder if I

> should just run an OAT or MAP on him to look for yeast metabolites.

>

> Thanks for the feedback.

> Michele

>

[Guest guest]

There are many treatments that seem to stir up yeast. That's why a

good anti-yeast program is usually a starting point before those

things. It seems like all DAN's put their patients on probiotics

immediately, and also strongly encourage low sugar diets. I hear

mB12 shots can stir up yeast, but we haven't had any problems here,

so far.

More information on carnitine and yeast: carnitine is often given in

conjunction with other vitamins because it enhances their

absorption. Since B vitamin supplementation can stir up yeast and

carnitine enhances the absorption of B's, that is probably one reason

it may be occasionally be linked to an increase in yeast. For those

looking for a link: you can google carnitine and yeast and come up

with some articles, but frankly, they blew my mind. Most of what I

came up with was highly specific and super scientific, and I didn't

find an easy-to-understand and/or more generally applicable article.

I did confirm with Dana (from www.danasview.net) that her kids

experienced an increase in yeast on carnitine, but it sounds like it

was more about the B's than the carnitine.

in NJ

>

> Michele,

>

> I will defer to my 13 year old's expertise on this matter! We use

Candex for overnight relief of yeast symptoms but for 'immediate'

assistance, he prefers the ThreeLac which seems to settle the yeast-

beast down in about 20 minutes.... he says that this depends upon how

strong the 'attack' is. Note that Mark is standing right beside me

giving all of you advice right now! How funny!

>

> He never was a yeasty kid but since we began DMSA, this issue does

now crop up since DMSA tends to kick up yeast.

>

> Janice

> writing on behalf of Mark.....

>

[Guest guest]

I know I'm being repetitive, but I just want to point out again that

almost all yogurts that kids consume have a ton of sugar, and sugar

feeds yeast. There are definitely ways to get plain yogurt into kids

(e.g. make a dip, add a dollop to some other mushy meal, etc.), but

good quality probiotic supplements are the surest way to get those

good bacteria in. We use a children's chewable acidolphilus from

Houston Nutraceuticals. It is not as powerful as the ones that come

in capsules, but it tastes delicious. The ones in capsules are the

best bet if your child can swallow a capsule or is willing to have it

mixed into food or drink. Culturelle is a widely available brand,

but there are many others.

in NJ

[Guest guest]

We use Candex for yeast and it works well. There are many, many other products

out there but I would lean towards the stuff that the moms of our kids use as

they 'know' what works for our kids. Spectrum Supplements is a site that sells

quality products by the various manufacturers specifically designed for our

kids. I would bet there are quite a few such distributors out there.

Certain vitamins kick up yeast. Things such as NAC (N-acetyl-cysteine), MSM and

even glutathione in some kids and other sulphery types of products will

sometimes generate yeast. Again, we get it with DMSA but we also get it with

NAC. My son does not have a systemic problem and only has yeast issues when

certain items are consumed. If you are going to take certain products that do

kick up yeast, then you know that you need to combine it with a yeast killer to

counteract the issue. We do this all of the time and now take ThreeLac nightly

at bedtime. It is a non-issue and a very easy solution for this. ThreeLac even

tastes yummy for the kids!

Just to let you know that most (not all) commercial yogurts do not have very

much natural probiotics to really affect the digestive tract despite what the

commercials say! SCD diet has a good yogurt recipe and there are good natural

yogurt starter packs out there; this makes it really easy to make your own

yogurt if your child can tolerate casien and milk products.

I would like to 'try' Mark soon on homemade yogurt as I see that his stomach is

healing.... Still a little afraid of the milk issue but I may just go for it

soon!

Our children often have poor digestive systems which make it easy for their

flora to get out of balance. This is probably not seen as much in kids with

just apraxia of speech as they do not seem to be globally affected. This

actually could be a real difference between the various conditions. The

children with global conditions such as global/developmental dyspraxia and ASD

are probably more likely to have accompanying digestive imbalances.

On another subject.......

PLEASE everybody...... let us respect the various conditions of others on this

board! Please let us not disparage and critisize other conditions just because

our own children do not suffer but keep an open mind and an open heart. We need

to respect the needs of others to communicate our curiosity, our knowledge and

our research. Mostly we need to communicate " what has WORKED " for us in order

to help those travelling the road behind us. If your child does not suffer from

the condition or you feel skeptical or you don't like the poster..... then

please press the delete key and move on. Let us not continuously swamp the

archives with prattle and negativity. It is so unbecoming and we are ALL great

mothers who want nothing but to help ALL of our children.

Biomed in conjuction with Diet and Therapy is here to stay for one reason.....

it works. I suspect that the conversation will grow in this regard because the

mothers are discovering underlying health issues in their children. Thus,

patience must be practiced by those of us who have spent years doing therapy

alone or vitamins alone. This is probably not going to be the way of the

future. Mothers are anxious to find the root problems related to these

afflictions and I say: GO FOR IT! Let's keep researching, keep an open mind

and keep following what everyone is doing to an eye to benefitting our children

and the babies that come after us!

To do this effectively we need to unite all of the different ideas. Toss them

around and sometimes toss them out.... certainly. BUT... we must keep together

a solid foundation of friendship and if we feel skeptism or disagree as to the

validity of a treatment..... say so but shoot down the idea and not the person!

Thus use good manners and good sense. Use words such as " I am not sure about

'such and such a protocol' and this is why...... [blank, blank] Can we try this

instead of just ripping each other to shreds? We are all passionate women who

love these kids with everything we have..... that is an amazing resource. So

let's continue to use it wisely and productively and together, we shall conquor

these ROTTEN conditions! We must keep united in our battle and unite the old

knowledge and wisdom with the new knowledge and wisdom.

Respectfully yours,

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM][ ] Re: WAS: yet another MR NOW: Food and

behavior st...

I don't about a test, but here are three non-invasive, safe, healthy

ways to reduce yeast anywhere in your body:

1. Good quality probiotic increases good bacteria (especially

important after antibiotic treatment) -- very safe even if your son

doesn't actually have a yeast infection

2. Diet changes, primarily low sugar -- sugar feeds yeast (people

with severe/intractable yeast problems need to avoid other things as

well, but cutting back on sugar is helpful for most)

-- very safe even if your son doesn't actually have a yeast infection

3. Natural anti-fungals or oral or topical prescription anti-fungals

like Nystatin and Diflucan (under doctor's treatment only) -- we

haven't used any of the natural anti-fungals, so I can't speak

knowledgeably on this point. In this category, if you use too much

too soon, your son may experience a " die-off " reaction initially

before feeling better. Always go low and slow with the natural

stuff. Doctor will (obviously) advise you if giving prescription

medications.

Assuming the yeast is confined to one area and not systemic, you

should be able to knock it out relatively easily.

in NJ

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 2/29/2008 8:44:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> > bigcheech91@ writes:

> >

> > Sorry to any who find this topic gross. I honestly can't believe

I

> > started it. How did I end up with three boys?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The very same way I've ended up with FIVE! LOL

> > If anyone would have told me this way back when-- I'm not sure I

> would have

> > handled the news too well back then.

> >

> >

> > Becky

> >

> >

> >

> > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL

> Living.

> > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-

eater/rachel-

> campos-duffy/

> > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

We had red bumps on the belly long before the dietary interventions.

Allergist said to make a fod log and see what brought it on. Their

diet was so limited the find was easy. Back then it was tomato and

pineapple that did that. Later, after we removed the milk and only

the milk, he was at first able to take these foods with less bumps

and later with none. Not sure if the allergy was to those things or

an extension of a bigger primary allergin like milk. Not sure we wil

ever know but it is nice not to have him uncomfortable.

I think a food log may help your cause.

[Guest guest]

Michele,

Itchy red bumps all over his body does not really sound like yeast but it does

sound like an allergic reaction of some sort. Hives? This is definitely one

for the doctor! The 'yeast-itch' is like jock itch or vaginal itch.

Come on..... I cannot be the only one to have had a yeast infection after using

antibiotics? You have to know what a yeast flare up feels like..... have to!

ITCHY, ITCHY... oooooo! So embarressing.....

Of course, all of you probably have wised-up to antibiotics and rarely use them!

Thus, we 'old' women are probably the only ones who know this...

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM][ ] Re: WAS: yet another MR NOW: Food and

behavior st...

He tends to be itchy all over, but I think he has excema (sp?)

because he gets the itchy red bumps on his belly too. How can you

tell if yeast is systemic or not??? Is there a way? I wonder if I

should just run an OAT or MAP on him to look for yeast metabolites.

Thanks for the feedback.

Michele

[Guest guest]

Hi Janice,

Absolutely, I know what you mean. Yeast infections are horrible. I

don't use anti-biotics anymore, so I haven't had one in awhile.

Every woman I know has had one at sometime or another.

Unfortunately, my NT 4 year old just got a really bad ear infection

last week. She was crying a lot and couldn't sleep, because her ears

hurt so much. So we put her on antibiotics, because I really didn't

know what else to do.

Now, I'm concerned she's going to have yeast issues. I will try to

get her to take a probiotic. Does anyone recommend anything else to

do after taking antiobiotics? She still has another 5 days of it.

Thanks,

Becky

>

> Michele,

>

> Itchy red bumps all over his body does not really sound like yeast

but it does sound like an allergic reaction of some sort. Hives?

This is definitely one for the doctor! The 'yeast-itch' is like

jock itch or vaginal itch.

>

> Come on..... I cannot be the only one to have had a yeast

infection after using antibiotics? You have to know what a yeast

flare up feels like..... have to! ITCHY, ITCHY... oooooo! So

embarressing.....

>

> Of course, all of you probably have wised-up to antibiotics and

rarely use them! Thus, we 'old' women are probably the only ones

who know this...

>

> Janice

> Mother of Mark, 13

[Guest guest]

In the past I used GSE on my kids only after using it myself and for

only a few days.. Top dose I ever used was 1 drop in a full glass of

water and they drank that throughout the day. I have used far more in

myself and can attest to its potency BUT one day I used a high dose

(still within the recommendations) and felt strange. Bloodwork from

that day showed me high in ammonia.

GSE in powerful not only as an antifungal but as an

antibacterial...likely another good reason not to use it with

antibiotics I would guess.

Also, all brands are not the same and there has been some negative

talk.

Here are links to help:

http://store.nutribiotic.com/pgi-productspec?1000

Looking at that one, if vegetable glycerin pulls out mercury

(something I read here on this board) then I question its use with

amalgams.

http://www.pureliquidgold.com/

http://www.nutriteam.com/index2.html

Negative press

http://www.terressentials.com/truthaboutgse.html

>

> I will say it in one beautiful word... ThreeLac..... tasty, awesome

stuff which is really designed for the younger child in mind. It is

commonly used on the babies and I was worried that it wouldn't work

for Mark. McCarthy uses it too if celebs impress you!

>

> Nystatin can be found in a cream for babies/youngsters which is

what we used on my daughter when she had yeast infections as an

infant. The doctor automatically prescribed it at the same time as

the antibiotic in our case since the two go hand-in-hand. In girls,

well, you know what to look for, yeast is that whitish film that is

developed in the 'privates' (you know that area under the labia......)

>

> Mackenzie had a ton of ear issues and had the entire tonsils,

adenoid removal and ear tube stuff done at 2.5. She is NT btw but

had to have speech therapy for a few years because of her ears. I

compare my son who is dyspraxic and still has all of his ENT

equipment and my daughter who is brilliant and Neurotypical and had

everything yanked out!

>

> Mark never felt that " pain " of ear infections which is an important

indicator of trouble wheras my daughter Mackenzie screamed up a

storm. Perhaps the pain sensation is a good thing? Hard to watch as

a parent, I know, but it really is a good sign that her pain response

is normal. On Mark's neurological chart, pain sensation (or lack

therof)

>

> Another natural item which I have heard good things about but have

not yet found a technique to adminsiter because it is sooooo strong

is Grapefruit Seed Extract. It is a natural yeast killer that many

moms use.

>

> If any use GSE on this board, I would love to hear how you get it

into your child...... (without acidentally giving them too strong a

dose... it is potent stuff and very acidic) I'm too scared to use it!

>

> Janice

> Mother of Mark, 13

>

>

>

>

> [sPAM]Re:[ ] Re: WAS: yet another MR

NOW: Food and behavior st...

>

>

> Hi Janice,

>

> Absolutely, I know what you mean. Yeast infections are horrible.

I

> don't use anti-biotics anymore, so I haven't had one in awhile.

> Every woman I know has had one at sometime or another.

>

> Unfortunately, my NT 4 year old just got a really bad ear

infection

> last week. She was crying a lot and couldn't sleep, because her

ears

> hurt so much. So we put her on antibiotics, because I really

didn't

> know what else to do.

>

> Now, I'm concerned she's going to have yeast issues. I will try

to

> get her to take a probiotic. Does anyone recommend anything else

to

> do after taking antiobiotics? She still has another 5 days of it.

>

> Thanks,

> Becky

>

[Guest guest]

I will say it in one beautiful word... ThreeLac..... tasty, awesome stuff which

is really designed for the younger child in mind. It is commonly used on the

babies and I was worried that it wouldn't work for Mark. McCarthy uses it

too if celebs impress you!

Nystatin can be found in a cream for babies/youngsters which is what we used on

my daughter when she had yeast infections as an infant. The doctor

automatically prescribed it at the same time as the antibiotic in our case since

the two go hand-in-hand. In girls, well, you know what to look for, yeast is

that whitish film that is developed in the 'privates' (you know that area under

the labia......)

Mackenzie had a ton of ear issues and had the entire tonsils, adenoid removal

and ear tube stuff done at 2.5. She is NT btw but had to have speech therapy

for a few years because of her ears. I compare my son who is dyspraxic and

still has all of his ENT equipment and my daughter who is brilliant and

Neurotypical and had everything yanked out!

Mark never felt that " pain " of ear infections which is an important indicator of

trouble wheras my daughter Mackenzie screamed up a storm. Perhaps the pain

sensation is a good thing? Hard to watch as a parent, I know, but it really is

a good sign that her pain response is normal. On Mark's neurological chart,

pain sensation (or lack therof)

Another natural item which I have heard good things about but have not yet found

a technique to adminsiter because it is sooooo strong is Grapefruit Seed

Extract. It is a natural yeast killer that many moms use.

If any use GSE on this board, I would love to hear how you get it into your

child...... (without acidentally giving them too strong a dose... it is potent

stuff and very acidic) I'm too scared to use it!

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM]Re:[ ] Re: WAS: yet another MR NOW: Food and

behavior st...

Hi Janice,

Absolutely, I know what you mean. Yeast infections are horrible. I

don't use anti-biotics anymore, so I haven't had one in awhile.

Every woman I know has had one at sometime or another.

Unfortunately, my NT 4 year old just got a really bad ear infection

last week. She was crying a lot and couldn't sleep, because her ears

hurt so much. So we put her on antibiotics, because I really didn't

know what else to do.

Now, I'm concerned she's going to have yeast issues. I will try to

get her to take a probiotic. Does anyone recommend anything else to

do after taking antiobiotics? She still has another 5 days of it.

Thanks,

Becky

[Guest guest]

Hi Janice,

Thanks for the advice. Is ThreeLac over the counter?

And regarding milk, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Elimiating milk

from my daughter's diet is one of the best things we've done for

her. I only wish that I had found out sooner. I didn't take her off

milk, until she was 4. Once we did, her rashes cleared up, she could

sleep through the night, her speech and fine motor improved, her

constipation stopped and she hardly ever gets sick anymore. Her

other friends and classmates seem to be sick a lot during cold

season, but she seldom gets a cold. And if she does, it doesn't last

long. (When she was a milk drinker, she was sick a lot.)

Thanks for all the great information you provide here.

Take care,

Becky

>

> I will say it in one beautiful word... ThreeLac..... tasty,

awesome stuff which is really designed for the younger child in

mind. It is commonly used on the babies and I was worried that it

wouldn't work for Mark. McCarthy uses it too if celebs

impress you!

>

> Nystatin can be found in a cream for babies/youngsters which is

what we used on my daughter when she had yeast infections as an

infant. The doctor automatically prescribed it at the same time as

the antibiotic in our case since the two go hand-in-hand. In girls,

well, you know what to look for, yeast is that whitish film that is

developed in the 'privates' (you know that area under the

labia......)

>

> Mackenzie had a ton of ear issues and had the entire tonsils,

adenoid removal and ear tube stuff done at 2.5. She is NT btw but

had to have speech therapy for a few years because of her ears. I

compare my son who is dyspraxic and still has all of his ENT

equipment and my daughter who is brilliant and Neurotypical and had

everything yanked out!

>

> Mark never felt that " pain " of ear infections which is an

important indicator of trouble wheras my daughter Mackenzie screamed

up a storm. Perhaps the pain sensation is a good thing? Hard to

watch as a parent, I know, but it really is a good sign that her

pain response is normal. On Mark's neurological chart, pain

sensation (or lack therof)

>

> Another natural item which I have heard good things about but have

not yet found a technique to adminsiter because it is sooooo strong

is Grapefruit Seed Extract. It is a natural yeast killer that many

moms use.

>

> If any use GSE on this board, I would love to hear how you get it

into your child...... (without acidentally giving them too strong a

dose... it is potent stuff and very acidic) I'm too scared to use

it!

>

> Janice

> Mother of Mark, 13

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I hide the GSE in Acai Splash,which is a high antioxidant juice made

by Garden Greens. 1 Tbsp. of acai juice, 2 drips GSE, 1 Tbsp. regular

other juice to cut it. He takes it from a dropper like medicine. No

problems.

> >

> > I will say it in one beautiful word... ThreeLac..... tasty,

awesome

> stuff which is really designed for the younger child in mind. It

is

> commonly used on the babies and I was worried that it wouldn't work

> for Mark. McCarthy uses it too if celebs impress you!

> >

> > Nystatin can be found in a cream for babies/youngsters which is

> what we used on my daughter when she had yeast infections as an

> infant. The doctor automatically prescribed it at the same time as

> the antibiotic in our case since the two go hand-in-hand. In

girls,

> well, you know what to look for, yeast is that whitish film that is

> developed in the 'privates' (you know that area under the

labia......)

> >

> > Mackenzie had a ton of ear issues and had the entire tonsils,

> adenoid removal and ear tube stuff done at 2.5. She is NT btw but

> had to have speech therapy for a few years because of her ears. I

> compare my son who is dyspraxic and still has all of his ENT

> equipment and my daughter who is brilliant and Neurotypical and had

> everything yanked out!

> >

> > Mark never felt that " pain " of ear infections which is an

important

> indicator of trouble wheras my daughter Mackenzie screamed up a

> storm. Perhaps the pain sensation is a good thing? Hard to watch

as

> a parent, I know, but it really is a good sign that her pain

response

> is normal. On Mark's neurological chart, pain sensation (or lack

> therof)

> >

> > Another natural item which I have heard good things about but

have

> not yet found a technique to adminsiter because it is sooooo strong

> is Grapefruit Seed Extract. It is a natural yeast killer that many

> moms use.

> >

> > If any use GSE on this board, I would love to hear how you get it

> into your child...... (without acidentally giving them too strong a

> dose... it is potent stuff and very acidic) I'm too scared to use

it!

> >

> > Janice

> > Mother of Mark, 13

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [sPAM]Re:[ ] Re: WAS: yet another MR

> NOW: Food and behavior st...

> >

> >

> > Hi Janice,

> >

> > Absolutely, I know what you mean. Yeast infections are

horrible.

> I

> > don't use anti-biotics anymore, so I haven't had one in awhile.

> > Every woman I know has had one at sometime or another.

> >

> > Unfortunately, my NT 4 year old just got a really bad ear

> infection

> > last week. She was crying a lot and couldn't sleep, because her

> ears

> > hurt so much. So we put her on antibiotics, because I really

> didn't

> > know what else to do.

> >

> > Now, I'm concerned she's going to have yeast issues. I will try

> to

> > get her to take a probiotic. Does anyone recommend anything

else

> to

> > do after taking antiobiotics? She still has another 5 days of

it.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Becky

> >

>

[Guest guest]

We use two drops in each beverage. (about 6 drops per day) They seem to

do well with it. I put it on a cold sore and it was gone quickly. I also

put it on s red rash around his mouth and it was gone the next day.

I had to put it on him while he was sleeping.

tbniesh@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 3/3/2008 3:56:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> jscott@... writes:

>

> Another natural item which I have heard good things about but have not yet

> found a technique to adminsiter because it is sooooo strong is Grapefruit

Seed

> Extract. It is a natural yeast killer that many moms use.

>

> If any use GSE on this board, I would love to hear how you get it into your

> child...... (without acidentally giving them too strong a dose... it is

> potent stuff and very acidic) I'm too scared to use it!

>

>

>

>

>

> Janice--

> I am a GSE user-- but depending on what it's needed for. It *IS* strong,

> but for older kids and adults, we just " suck it up " and drink it in a glass

of

> water-- couple of drops etc.

> for yeast issues--t his is quite effective.

>

> I had intraductal yeast--- speaking about all these yeastie beasties. LOL

> It's different than the systemic yeast and different than the yeast

> infections vaginally etc. But-- talk about SEVER PAIN-- you could ask me if

I'd

> rather be shot at point blank in the knee or have the intraductal yeast (in

the

> breast ducts) again, I would outright say shoot the knee out-- I'd feel less

> pain. It was THAT severe!!! (and that painful)

>

> But I used GSE for washing my clothing and " disinfecting " etc--and it was

> effective, and I also had used it to swab the baby's mouth at one point (and

> even husband's-- didn't want to risk any cross-contamination)

>

>

> becky

>

>

>

> **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money &

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Excellent Post, Janice and very well said. It is nice to have you back!

[ ] Re: WAS: yet another MR NOW: Food and

behavior st...

We use Candex for yeast and it works well. There are many, many other

products out there but I would lean towards the stuff that the moms of our

kids use as they 'know' what works for our kids. Spectrum Supplements is a

site that sells quality products by the various manufacturers specifically

designed for our kids. I would bet there are quite a few such distributors

out there.

Certain vitamins kick up yeast. Things such as NAC (N-acetyl-cysteine), MSM

and even glutathione in some kids and other sulphery types of products will

sometimes generate yeast. Again, we get it with DMSA but we also get it with

NAC. My son does not have a systemic problem and only has yeast issues when

certain items are consumed. If you are going to take certain products that

do kick up yeast, then you know that you need to combine it with a yeast

killer to counteract the issue. We do this all of the time and now take

ThreeLac nightly at bedtime. It is a non-issue and a very easy solution for

this. ThreeLac even tastes yummy for the kids!

Just to let you know that most (not all) commercial yogurts do not have very

much natural probiotics to really affect the digestive tract despite what

the commercials say! SCD diet has a good yogurt recipe and there are good

natural yogurt starter packs out there; this makes it really easy to make

your own yogurt if your child can tolerate casien and milk products.

I would like to 'try' Mark soon on homemade yogurt as I see that his stomach

is healing.... Still a little afraid of the milk issue but I may just go for

it soon!

Our children often have poor digestive systems which make it easy for their

flora to get out of balance. This is probably not seen as much in kids with

just apraxia of speech as they do not seem to be globally affected. This

actually could be a real difference between the various conditions. The

children with global conditions such as global/developmental dyspraxia and

ASD are probably more likely to have accompanying digestive imbalances.

On another subject.......

PLEASE everybody...... let us respect the various conditions of others on

this board! Please let us not disparage and critisize other conditions just

because our own children do not suffer but keep an open mind and an open

heart. We need to respect the needs of others to communicate our curiosity,

our knowledge and our research. Mostly we need to communicate " what has

WORKED " for us in order to help those travelling the road behind us. If your

child does not suffer from the condition or you feel skeptical or you don't

like the poster..... then please press the delete key and move on. Let us

not continuously swamp the archives with prattle and negativity. It is so

unbecoming and we are ALL great mothers who want nothing but to help ALL of

our children.

Biomed in conjuction with Diet and Therapy is here to stay for one

reason..... it works. I suspect that the conversation will grow in this

regard because the mothers are discovering underlying health issues in their

children. Thus, patience must be practiced by those of us who have spent

years doing therapy alone or vitamins alone. This is probably not going to

be the way of the future. Mothers are anxious to find the root problems

related to these afflictions and I say: GO FOR IT! Let's keep researching,

keep an open mind and keep following what everyone is doing to an eye to

benefitting our children and the babies that come after us!

To do this effectively we need to unite all of the different ideas. Toss

them around and sometimes toss them out.... certainly. BUT... we must keep

together a solid foundation of friendship and if we feel skeptism or

disagree as to the validity of a treatment..... say so but shoot down the

idea and not the person! Thus use good manners and good sense. Use words

such as " I am not sure about 'such and such a protocol' and this is

why...... [blank, blank] Can we try this instead of just ripping each other

to shreds? We are all passionate women who love these kids with everything

we have..... that is an amazing resource. So let's continue to use it wisely

and productively and together, we shall conquor these ROTTEN conditions! We

must keep united in our battle and unite the old knowledge and wisdom with

the new knowledge and wisdom.

Respectfully yours,

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

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behavior st...

I don't about a test, but here are three non-invasive, safe, healthy

ways to reduce yeast anywhere in your body:

1. Good quality probiotic increases good bacteria (especially

important after antibiotic treatment) -- very safe even if your son

doesn't actually have a yeast infection

2. Diet changes, primarily low sugar -- sugar feeds yeast (people

with severe/intractable yeast problems need to avoid other things as

well, but cutting back on sugar is helpful for most)

-- very safe even if your son doesn't actually have a yeast infection

3. Natural anti-fungals or oral or topical prescription anti-fungals

like Nystatin and Diflucan (under doctor's treatment only) -- we

haven't used any of the natural anti-fungals, so I can't speak

knowledgeably on this point. In this category, if you use too much

too soon, your son may experience a " die-off " reaction initially

before feeling better. Always go low and slow with the natural

stuff. Doctor will (obviously) advise you if giving prescription

medications.

Assuming the yeast is confined to one area and not systemic, you

should be able to knock it out relatively easily.

in NJ

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 2/29/2008 8:44:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> > bigcheech91@ writes:

> >

> > Sorry to any who find this topic gross. I honestly can't believe

I

> > started it. How did I end up with three boys?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The very same way I've ended up with FIVE! LOL

> > If anyone would have told me this way back when-- I'm not sure I

> would have

> > handled the news too well back then.

> >

> >

> > Becky

> >

> >

> >

> > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL

> Living.

> > (http://living. <http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky->

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> campos-duffy/

> > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Becky,

We also use Threelac in this house. It has 3 different kinds of yeast

fighers. Awesome stuff. My DAN! Doc tested it and she said it was terrific

and NOT to take him off of it. My only concern about it, is that it comes in

an aluminum packet. We are both toxic with aluminum.

But it is great stuff! We have been using it since Sept with tremendous

results.

Colleen

Mother of Charlie 2. 5years

Re:[ ] Re: WAS: yet another MR NOW: Food and

behavior st...

I will say it in one beautiful word... ThreeLac..... tasty, awesome stuff

which is really designed for the younger child in mind. It is commonly used

on the babies and I was worried that it wouldn't work for Mark.

McCarthy uses it too if celebs impress you!

Nystatin can be found in a cream for babies/youngsters which is what we used

on my daughter when she had yeast infections as an infant. The doctor

automatically prescribed it at the same time as the antibiotic in our case

since the two go hand-in-hand. In girls, well, you know what to look for,

yeast is that whitish film that is developed in the 'privates' (you know

that area under the labia......)

Mackenzie had a ton of ear issues and had the entire tonsils, adenoid

removal and ear tube stuff done at 2.5. She is NT btw but had to have speech

therapy for a few years because of her ears. I compare my son who is

dyspraxic and still has all of his ENT equipment and my daughter who is

brilliant and Neurotypical and had everything yanked out!

Mark never felt that " pain " of ear infections which is an important

indicator of trouble wheras my daughter Mackenzie screamed up a storm.

Perhaps the pain sensation is a good thing? Hard to watch as a parent, I

know, but it really is a good sign that her pain response is normal. On

Mark's neurological chart, pain sensation (or lack therof)

Another natural item which I have heard good things about but have not yet

found a technique to adminsiter because it is sooooo strong is Grapefruit

Seed Extract. It is a natural yeast killer that many moms use.

If any use GSE on this board, I would love to hear how you get it into your

child...... (without acidentally giving them too strong a dose... it is

potent stuff and very acidic) I'm too scared to use it!

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM]Re:[ ] Re: WAS: yet another MR NOW: Food

and behavior st...

Hi Janice,

Absolutely, I know what you mean. Yeast infections are horrible. I

don't use anti-biotics anymore, so I haven't had one in awhile.

Every woman I know has had one at sometime or another.

Unfortunately, my NT 4 year old just got a really bad ear infection

last week. She was crying a lot and couldn't sleep, because her ears

hurt so much. So we put her on antibiotics, because I really didn't

know what else to do.

Now, I'm concerned she's going to have yeast issues. I will try to

get her to take a probiotic. Does anyone recommend anything else to

do after taking antiobiotics? She still has another 5 days of it.

Thanks,

Becky

[Guest guest]

Is Threelac over the counter or do we need a prescription? Thanks

for the information, Colleen.

Becky

[Guest guest]

Becky,

You can get it from Kirkmanlabs.com or google it and order it cheaper, I

think than kirkmanlabs!

Colleen

Mother of Charlie 2.5 years

[ ] Re: WAS: yet another MR NOW: Food and

behavior st...

Is Threelac over the counter or do we need a prescription? Thanks

for the information, Colleen.

Becky

[Guest guest]

SOrry to butt in but Threelac can be purchased online without a prescription.

Just Google it.

HTH,

Yvette

[ ] Re: WAS: yet another MR NOW: Food and behavior

st...

Is Threelac over the counter or do we need a prescription? Thanks

for the information, Colleen.

Becky