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My son was born fast, via induction ( 6 hours only) full term, no complications,

but he was blue and screaming when he came out.!  They gave him a little oxygen

by blow by and he pinked right up.  He latched on great.  He could not hold his

head up on his stomach at all.  Did not roll over till 8 months, sat with help

on time , although not as perky as most and then crawled, walked and went up

stairs within a month at 10 months.  He had severe reflux from 5 months till 18

months and was on Zantac.  He was allergic to corn, soy and milk.  He was up

every 2 hours until a year of age.  Very hard to console.  Very pleasant happy

child but had his moments of just screaming.  It wasn't crying.  He breast fed

well.  NO problems.  He is now 8 years old.  He didn't speak untl 4 years of

age.  He was diagnosed initially expressive, resceptive language delay, then

apraxia at age 7.  He has glabal dyspraxia.  His handwriting is aweful, he can

play

sports, (he didn't ride a bike until 7yo)  but you can see how the motor

planning is affected until he learns the rules of the game, then he's ok.  His

speech now is that of a 4-5 year old.  He is dyslexic.  He's pretty good at

math.  And has a reading comprehension if someone helps him read the passsage of

a 10 year old.  He has always tested scattered on all his tests. It is so

frustrating sometimes.  He also was diagnosed with ADHD and with the medication

all three thing, fine, gross motor and speech did get better, especially the

running and riding a bike.  Not so much with the fine motor or speech.  Has

anyone else noticed this?  I am a NICU nurse and pediatric nurse.  I knew

something was wrong and th doctors just kept telling me he was spoiled.  Don't

you love it.... :)  I could of been insane by time he was finally diagnosed.  I

do think it is from birth and that these children, because of that, do not

handle the vacinations like

other children. 

dian kane

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Subject: [ ] Re: apraxia at birth vs. acquired

Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 9:09 PM

This is what I am talking about. There are some mothers who seem to

have noticed this when their child was born. At a meeting a few weeks

ago, a mom commented that in talking to a few other mothers whose

children are apraxic, they all shared the same experience of their

children being stuck in the birth canal and difficulties in getting

them out. Dr. Degrauw jokingly but somewhat seriously commented maybe

apraxia starts in the womb, they even have trouble getting out! Now,

my twins were born prematurely due to PROM (premature rupture of

membrane), so I got to watch them develop and grow as they were in the

NICU for 3 months (born at 27 weeks, almost 3 and half months early).

I can say that my daughter presented with hypotonia at birth. Even

her birth picture shows her with these huge cheeks while her twin did

not have it. They did not get the hep b shots until right before they

were discharged so I can say with certainty that my daughter had all

of these apraxic signs before any shots were given. Yes, all babies

are somewhat floppy in that they can't support themselves, but this

was different. She could not hold her head up but ironically enough,

she could latch on excellent, could bottle feed fine, but had horrible

reflux. talks about these signs on the cherub website and her

book, signs like feeling like the baby weighs a ton (baby not using

their muscles), being floppy, late with milestones, rolling over,

sitting up, crawling, walking etc. Yup, thats my apraxic daughter all

right! So, again, it makes me wonder that some of our children are

born with this, perhaps genetic in nature. Poor nutrition of the

mother? I don't think that is necessarily true as the girls were my

first pregnancy so I wasn't depleted of nutrients. From what I

understand, most of our children with apraxia have normal MRIs,

therefore showing no brain damage, other than those children who have

additional issues i.e. CP, epilepsy, mylenation etc. It is possible

that if there is brain damage, technology isn't picking it up these

days. Or, if it is genetically based, MRIs wouldn't pick it up.

Questions, questions, questions... .we've got to start pushing more

awareness and the need for research!

Lori

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Dian,

Great story. Just a comment for you on your son's fine motor. With increased

strength and visual motor work, this does get better but it takes a long time.

The stronger Mark's hands get, the better he does.

If I could urge you to do one thing.... just one thing..... please buy a chin up

bar and put it on one of the door frames that your son uses often. I wish I had

done this YEARS ago! I always knew to do it but didn't get a round to it until

mid-October of this year. WELL!!!! The increase to my son's overall body

strength and his cortical grasp of his hands is AMAAAAZING! I put the bar up on

the door to our office and Mark just hands off of that thing non-stop! I'll be

working on the computer and he'll just be 'hanging' around. He loves it and has

a blast. 4 months ago, this kid was so weak that he couldn't do one push-up but

had to do wall push-ups instead. Today, he is up to 20 push-ups and can do

about 5 chin-ups on the chin-up bar. Mostly, he just likes to hang from it and

kind of swing. This bar does fantastic things for overall body core. AND it's

not like therapy! It's fun for him and he likes it. He also likes to push

himself further and further to see how long he can hang. Believe me, for the

$40 it cost from Walmart, this thing is been better then years of therapy!

As his hands get stronger, his handwriting improves. I still have him do some

visual motor exercises too but that chin-up bar is HUGE! Again, I wish I had

done this years and years ago. Even little kids can practice hanging and this

is invaluable for their overall body core strength..... building body core

strength is an essential element to overcoming dyspraxia.

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[ ] Re: apraxia at birth vs. acquired

Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 9:09 PM

This is what I am talking about. There are some mothers who seem to

have noticed this when their child was born. At a meeting a few weeks

ago, a mom commented that in talking to a few other mothers whose

children are apraxic, they all shared the same experience of their

children being stuck in the birth canal and difficulties in getting

them out. Dr. Degrauw jokingly but somewhat seriously commented maybe

apraxia starts in the womb, they even have trouble getting out! Now,

my twins were born prematurely due to PROM (premature rupture of

membrane), so I got to watch them develop and grow as they were in the

NICU for 3 months (born at 27 weeks, almost 3 and half months early).

I can say that my daughter presented with hypotonia at birth. Even

her birth picture shows her with these huge cheeks while her twin did

not have it. They did not get the hep b shots until right before they

were discharged so I can say with certainty that my daughter had all

of these apraxic signs before any shots were given. Yes, all babies

are somewhat floppy in that they can't support themselves, but this

was different. She could not hold her head up but ironically enough,

she could latch on excellent, could bottle feed fine, but had horrible

reflux. talks about these signs on the cherub website and her

book, signs like feeling like the baby weighs a ton (baby not using

their muscles), being floppy, late with milestones, rolling over,

sitting up, crawling, walking etc. Yup, thats my apraxic daughter all

right! So, again, it makes me wonder that some of our children are

born with this, perhaps genetic in nature. Poor nutrition of the

mother? I don't think that is necessarily true as the girls were my

first pregnancy so I wasn't depleted of nutrients. From what I

understand, most of our children with apraxia have normal MRIs,

therefore showing no brain damage, other than those children who have

additional issues i.e. CP, epilepsy, mylenation etc. It is possible

that if there is brain damage, technology isn't picking it up these

days. Or, if it is genetically based, MRIs wouldn't pick it up.

Questions, questions, questions... .we've got to start pushing more

awareness and the need for research!

Lori

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My son definitely was floppy as a baby as well. He did reach

milestones on target or slightly after. , He had difficulty w/head

control initially,was late to roll over and crawl but he fed/sucked

very well. His cheeks were huge and hung down and walked around 12

mths. His hypotonia diagnosis was within the firsy yr as well. The

delayed speech we noticed at 15 mths but we were told to wait til

18-21 mths to see before going to EI. Kris

On Dec 18, 2008, at 7:09 PM, seeramona wrote:

> This is what I am talking about. There are some mothers who seem to

> have noticed this when their child was born.

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My son has tons of problems with visual motor.  I will definitely get chin up

bar.  He will love it.  He can't do a push up to save his soul.  :)  We did

swimming and soccer this year.  Getting better.  Still hates riding a bike. 

But, I do notice his eyes having a hard time tracking.  What kind of exercies do

you you>?  I would love to start them.

dian

From: seeramona <lorirosenaol (DOT) com>

Subject: [childrensapraxiane t] Re: apraxia at birth vs. acquired

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Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 9:09 PM

This is what I am talking about. There are some mothers who seem to

have noticed this when their child was born. At a meeting a few weeks

ago, a mom commented that in talking to a few other mothers whose

children are apraxic, they all shared the same experience of their

children being stuck in the birth canal and difficulties in getting

them out. Dr. Degrauw jokingly but somewhat seriously commented maybe

apraxia starts in the womb, they even have trouble getting out! Now,

my twins were born prematurely due to PROM (premature rupture of

membrane), so I got to watch them develop and grow as they were in the

NICU for 3 months (born at 27 weeks, almost 3 and half months early).

I can say that my daughter presented with hypotonia at birth. Even

her birth picture shows her with these huge cheeks while her twin did

not have it. They did not get the hep b shots until right before they

were discharged so I can say with certainty that my daughter had all

of these apraxic signs before any shots were given. Yes, all babies

are somewhat floppy in that they can't support themselves, but this

was different. She could not hold her head up but ironically enough,

she could latch on excellent, could bottle feed fine, but had horrible

reflux. talks about these signs on the cherub website and her

book, signs like feeling like the baby weighs a ton (baby not using

their muscles), being floppy, late with milestones, rolling over,

sitting up, crawling, walking etc. Yup, thats my apraxic daughter all

right! So, again, it makes me wonder that some of our children are

born with this, perhaps genetic in nature. Poor nutrition of the

mother? I don't think that is necessarily true as the girls were my

first pregnancy so I wasn't depleted of nutrients. From what I

understand, most of our children with apraxia have normal MRIs,

therefore showing no brain damage, other than those children who have

additional issues i.e. CP, epilepsy, mylenation etc. It is possible

that if there is brain damage, technology isn't picking it up these

days. Or, if it is genetically based, MRIs wouldn't pick it up.

Questions, questions, questions... .we've got to start pushing more

awareness and the need for research!

Lori

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Hi Gabby!

Even though Shyann was one of those kids that has never had a side effect

from a vaccine (one that is noticable such as a local reaction, fever, lethargy,

etc.) I agree that adding a vaccine can't help her already vulnerable state. She

is nine so she has already had most vaccinations, but in the future I won't be

vaccinating her. I already said no to the flu shot. The knowledge I have learned

from you has made an impact on my decision. Thank you for giving me that.

Joy and Shyann

[ ] Re: apraxia at birth vs. acquired

Even though some kids are born with it... I believe adding Vaccines to the

burden is not a good idea... They are already vulnerable and more toxicity will

aggravate them more and more!!! Which may worsen their prognosis!!! I wish I had

known that then...

Love, Gabby. :0)

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some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin. " ~ Jerry Newport

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hi all,

 

i forgot to mention in my post last night. Something very important on this

topic i believe.

 

My son startyed with Ei services at 4 mos old. He is still receiving services.

Had services from 4 mos on. Speech started at about 6 mos or so. He had pt and

ot also as a baby.

 

jeanne

NH

> This is what I am talking about. There are some mothers who seem to

> have noticed this when their child was born.

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EI ( Early Intervention) is key!!! Good for you. I guess 8 yrs ago,

my pediatrician wasnt very proactive and did the wait and see

approach. Kris

On Dec 19, 2008, at 4:51 PM, Jeanne wrote:

> hi all,

>

> i forgot to mention in my post last night. Something very important

> on this topic i believe.

>

> My son startyed with Ei services at 4 mos old. He is still

> receiving services. Had services from 4 mos on. Speech started at

> about 6 mos or so. He had pt and ot also as a baby.

>

> jeanne

> NH

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keep in mind here everyone that I meant my son received EI service up until he

aged out at 3 yo. He then went into the school district for services where at 10

he is still receiving intensive ST and OT services. Speech is much better.

However he is still hard to understand sometimes but now that he ahs discovered

he can indeed talk. He is talking up as torm these days. he loves to ask

questions we have to come up with answers to. He asks the most complicated ones

also. He is discovering the world.

 

Please do not everyone underestimate our children due their speech disorders.

just because they can not talk well at this point . Does not mean they are not

taking in everything you say to them.

 

Example: A few months ago we experienced a death in our family in May. We tried

our best to explain about death to him and answer all his questions. However

none of us in my family were exactly sure what he really was understanding and

comprehending what he was being told. Well come to find out. My son understood

more than we ever thought he would.

 

We drove by a cemetary one day this summer before school started. He told us

that people are dead in the cemetary. They are buried there. Now we never told

my son anything about the particulars of the subject. We only told him the very

basics and answered his questions in basic terms so he would understand.

 

Apparently we underestimated my son by a lot in terms of what we thought he

understood. No one in my family knew what to say to him in response at the time.

He caught us off guard.

 

He has since benn talking about death off and on. He has been asking questions

very complex ones also. Ones an adult would ask.

 

So please keep in mind that our children are very bright and smart. They

understand their world even if they can not fully express it verbally.

 

I only wanted to tell you all.

 

I actually think is a great thing for my son to be doing. He has a voice no

matter what he has to say. It is so greata nd wonderful to finally be hearing

everything he has on his mind. Suprisingly it is a lot. He has a lot to say. It

is very rewarding even though the subject he is choosing to talk about is hard

to take. keep in mind my son is 10 yo. So  he is at an age where he is suppost

to be aware of these things.

 

Jeanne

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> hi all,

>

> i forgot to mention in my post last night. Something very important

> on this topic i believe.

>

> My son startyed with Ei services at 4 mos old. He is still

> receiving services. Had services from 4 mos on. Speech started at

> about 6 mos or so. He had pt and ot also as a baby.

>

> jeanne

> NH

>

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  • 3 weeks later...

My daughter had an MRI which showed nothing out of the ordinary. Her brain is

normal. She was just over 2 years old then. The hard part about the process

was the IV. The nurses had to stick her 7 times while her dad, my best friend

and I held her down because her little veins were colapsing. It was a horrible

experience. While it was horrible then, she doesn't remember any of it now and

I'm glad I did it. If I didn't I'd always second quess myslef and question if I

should have.

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Jan 2009 19:55:20 +0000Subject: [ ] Re: apraxia at birth vs.

acquired

My twenty three month old is scheduled for a MRI next week. I amnervous

regarding the sedation. She was evaluated for speech delaysand diagnosed low

muscle tone and possible apraxia. Her speech isimproving but still is delayed

for almost two she says about 20 singlewords with prompting. Should I proceed

with the MRI or cancel it? Hasanyone ever had a case where the MRI helped tell

them something theydidn't already know or help treat differently? We are in Help

Me GrowOhio and she is on a waiting list for Special Ed EI Toddler class. Ihave

her in speech 2 x a week, OT and PT. I think she is coming alongwell with these

interventions. I just hate to put her at risk withsedation if it is not

necessary. My insurance never responded to thehospital precertification for

blood labs that are genetic testing forFragile X. Ir has been two months now.

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Hi. When my son was younger, we had to have him hospitalized as a result of

severe dehydration after an endoscopy and a colonoscopy. They had to stick

him many times before they were able to find a vein. They poked him all over,

on his feet, neck, arms, hands, groin area. I will NEVER let anyone do that to

him again. I still feel guilty about this. At the end, they had to call a

NICU nurse to come and do it and he was able to get it in without a problem. My

advice is to always request a NICU nurse when the first person has trouble

finding a vein. Luckily, he was so little that he doesn't remember this

either, but I do...

Bianca

In a message dated 1/5/2009 9:46:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

joanncassell@... writes:

My daughter had an MRI which showed nothing out of the ordinary. Her brain

is normal. She was just over 2 years old then. The hard part about the process

was the IV. The nurses had to stick her 7 times while her dad, my best

friend and I held her down because her little veins were colapsing. It was a

horrible experience. While it was horrible then, she doesn't remember any of it

now and I'm glad I did it. If I didn't I'd always second quess myslef and

question if I should have.

_ childrensaprachildre_

(mailto: @...) : _m.snyder78@..._

(mailto:m.snyder78@...) : Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:55:20 +0000Subject:

[childrensapraxiane: Mon, 5 Jan

2009 19:55:20 +0000Subj

My twenty three month old is scheduled for a MRI next week. I amnervous

regarding the sedation. She was evaluated for speech delaysand diagnosed low

muscle tone and possible apraxia. Her speech isimproving but still is delayed

for

almost two she says about 20 singlewords with prompting. Should I proceed

with the MRI or cancel it? Hasanyone ever had a case where the MRI helped tell

them something theydidn't already know or help treat differently? We are in

Help Me GrowOhio and she is on a waiting list for Special Ed EI Toddler class.

Ihave her in speech 2 x a week, OT and PT. I think she is coming alongwell

with these interventions. I just hate to put her at risk withsedation if it is

not necessary. My insurance never responded to thehospital precertification

for blood labs that are genetic testing forFragile X. Ir has been two months

now. ThanksMichele

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I am a nurse and my after the second try I always ask for someone else. I

would feel more comfortable if someone else tries. We use to call the iv nurse

and if she did not get it on the second try we called the nurse who worked in

the helicopter. He never had trouble hitting the vein.

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