Re: Drooling:: what to do for 6yo

[Guest guest]

Much of what you have written sounds like classic apraxia signs. I

know years ago kids with apraxia were diagnosed just as having

sensory issues -all the symptoms were assumed due to just the sensory

issues -but as we know today (and as this group knew then) apraxia is

typically a mix of sensory, motor planning and weakness issues.

And...drooling could be for any or all of the above reasons as well

as others too. Most however don't drool due to sensory issues -but

weakness issues -oral motor weakness.

We don't know for a fact what causes apraxia or any other of the

multifaceted communication impairments we see today - but we do know

that no matter what the cause there are ways to get your child up to

speed. I have an archived " drooling " post below but it's geared more

toward preschool age. It's most important that if you don't yet have

a neurodevelopmental exam from one that is knowledgeable about

apraxia etc. to do so as soon as possible. At the age your child is he becomes

at

risk for teasing on top of everything else so you want to address

this right away. There is much help out there. At times you have to

go outside of those that you may even love that have worked with your

child for years and years but meanwhile your child has had not as much

progress as others like him. You should have goals for 3 and 6 months and if

they are not being met -explore other methods. What grade is your

child in now? What's written into his IEP if you are in the US?

What type of therapy and is it one on one and how often?

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Sat Jan 3, 2004 12:40 pm

Subject: Re: Apraxia and salivation?

Hi Liz,

As you know as a member who has been around for a bit (and one I

know from NJ!) this topic has come around before. I love your

suggestion of the chin tap for the older child -perhaps the one I

was told for Dakota works best for a preschool child. If this topic

is relevant you may want to read on. I found this archive from October

with lots of information and links in it and hope it helps someone!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~start archive message

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:07 pm

Subject: Re: excess saliva

Hi diapermom 2!

You don't say your child's age since some aspects may be

developmental, but based on your email name of diapermom -I guess

either your son is young has potty delays.

I do understand your son has saliva just sitting/pooling in the

mouth and he's either not swallowing often enough, which is

also part of what can happen when a child drools too even though

your son is not drooling, or his body is producing more saliva than

he really needs. Unfortunately the former (drooling) is yet another

one that I can relate to with my oldest son, and fortunately this

too did pass!

You first want to rule out there are no medical, physical etc

reasons for too much saliva in the mouth.

http://www.alsa-or.org/treatment/Saliva

http://www.technologyandlanguage.com/presentations/drooling/

http://www.duit.uwa.edu.au/web/inclusion/disability/saliva.html

There are medications (and probably nutritional interventions as

well!) to reduce saliva in the mouth if that is the reason.

http://www.alsa-or.org/treatment/Saliva

I also read there can be psychological triggers of too much saliva -

such as nervousness. So could be a number of reasons. Again

however you are the first to mention too much saliva here...without

the

drooling part.

In addition to discussing with your child's MD, as well as

specialists such as ENTs, which I highly recommend -perhaps some of

the strategies for droolers will work for your child in the meantime?

The following are two or three archived messages from about 2 years

ago. This never came up before either because it's not common for a

child to have lots of saliva in their mouth and not drool -or most

don't want to talk about it -so the archives are on drooling.

As far as drooling -Tanner never really went thought even

the 'normal' drooping stage -Dakota made up for that big time -but

has not drooled at all for years. Therapy deals with lots of stuff,

strategies help cover what therapy misses -this is yet another

example. Hope some of the following can help.

From: "

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't worry too much about the th and r errors in a 6 year old (I am a

speech pathologist).?? Those error sounds are developmental and will hopefully

correct on their own soon.? Many SLP's wont work on those sounds with a 6 year

old because they are develiopmental.? As for the drooling, are you doing any

strenghtening exercises ?? You can try drinking thick liquids like milkshakes,

pudding or apple sauce through different size straws.?

[ ] Drooling:: what to do for 6yo

My 6yo has been in speech therapy since 3 at school and in private

therapy. I was told his drooling was sensory related and it did get

better when he was in OT. We they tested him and said he didn't

need OT anymore and since then the drooling has gone back to what it

was.

He also has problems putting words together to make sentences. He

can say words individually but when he has to put them together they

sound like mumbling. However, some of what he says is clear. He

does excellent on articulation testing, but when he tried to make a

sentence he has problems forming the thoughts and putting together

in a sentence. He will say " cream " for " hungry " . Has problems

with /th/, /l/, and maybe /r/ sounds. The speech therapist doesn't

think it is anything to worry about.

Also, his sentences seem short to me. But, he has moments when he

will talk and talk. He also keeps referring to females as " he "

or " him " . He is trying to get this correct because he will point it

out to me when he does it right.

Can anyone suggest anything I can do for him, because no one is

working on the articulation. Speech therapy is usually work on

words ending in /sh/.

I have found a lady who does mood-Bell, but she is self trained.

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Eliminating milk stopped all my kids from drooling.

vaborn9902 wrote:

> My 6yo has been in speech therapy since 3 at school and in private

> therapy. I was told his drooling was sensory related and it did get

> better when he was in OT. We they tested him and said he didn't

> need OT anymore and since then the drooling has gone back to what it

> was.

>

> He also has problems putting words together to make sentences. He

> can say words individually but when he has to put them together they

> sound like mumbling. However, some of what he says is clear. He

> does excellent on articulation testing, but when he tried to make a

> sentence he has problems forming the thoughts and putting together

> in a sentence. He will say " cream " for " hungry " . Has problems

> with /th/, /l/, and maybe /r/ sounds. The speech therapist doesn't

> think it is anything to worry about.

>

> Also, his sentences seem short to me. But, he has moments when he

> will talk and talk. He also keeps referring to females as " he "

> or " him " . He is trying to get this correct because he will point it

> out to me when he does it right.

>

> Can anyone suggest anything I can do for him, because no one is

> working on the articulation. Speech therapy is usually work on

> words ending in /sh/.

>

> I have found a lady who does mood-Bell, but she is self trained.

>

> Thanks.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

His DAN has said that he is hypotonia. I do crawling exercises with

him and his shoulder joints pop and he complains about his armpits

hurting when we do them.

What kind of doctor do I need to take him to for

a " neurodevelopmental exam from one that is knowledgeable about

apraxia etc. "

I don't have any problem taking him to others that can help him, I

just have listened to the SLP and OT who are suppose to be good at

what they do. I have questioned constantly if he and his brother

are progressing as they think they should. They are meeting the

goals that they have set. I just don't see their daily living as

much improved. I sometimes think that their improvements are

because of the age and not really because of therapy.

He is in kindergarten and gets speech therapy at school once a week

with two others. If I remember the last IEP, I think they think

he's only got pronouns problems. The therapist from last year had

told me that she would evaluate his drooling, but when I later

pressed her to evaulate it, she said she had and he didn't have a

problem. Yeah. He is also getting 30 min. of speech a week in

private and she usually works on words ending with /sh/. He did get

OT for 30 min a week and that stopped because she said he didn't

test as needing therapy anymore. His drooling has gone back to very

noticable since he stopped OT.

It's been about a year and I don't remember what the evaulation from

the private therapy said so I would have to look that up again.

Thanks so much for your advice.

>

> Much of what you have written sounds like classic apraxia signs. I

> know years ago kids with apraxia were diagnosed just as having

> sensory issues -all the symptoms were assumed due to just the

sensory

> issues -but as we know today (and as this group knew then) apraxia

is

> typically a mix of sensory, motor planning and weakness issues.

> And...drooling could be for any or all of the above reasons as well

> as others too. Most however don't drool due to sensory issues -but

> weakness issues -oral motor weakness.

>

> We don't know for a fact what causes apraxia or any other of the

> multifaceted communication impairments we see today - but we do

know

> that no matter what the cause there are ways to get your child up

to

> speed. I have an archived " drooling " post below but it's geared

more

> toward preschool age. It's most important that if you don't yet

have

> a neurodevelopmental exam from one that is knowledgeable about

> apraxia etc. to do so as soon as possible. At the age your child

is he becomes at

> risk for teasing on top of everything else so you want to address

> this right away. There is much help out there. At times you have

to

> go outside of those that you may even love that have worked with

your

> child for years and years but meanwhile your child has had not as

much

> progress as others like him. You should have goals for 3 and 6

months and if

> they are not being met -explore other methods. What grade is your

> child in now? What's written into his IEP if you are in the US?

> What type of therapy and is it one on one and how often?

>

> From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

> Date: Sat Jan 3, 2004 12:40 pm

> Subject: Re: Apraxia and salivation?

>

>

> Hi Liz,

>

> As you know as a member who has been around for a bit (and one I

> know from NJ!) this topic has come around before. I love your

> suggestion of the chin tap for the older child -perhaps the one I

> was told for Dakota works best for a preschool child. If this topic

> is relevant you may want to read on. I found this archive from

October

> with lots of information and links in it and hope it helps someone!

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~start archive message

>

> From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

> Date: Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:07 pm

> Subject: Re: excess saliva

>

> Hi diapermom 2!

>

> You don't say your child's age since some aspects may be

> developmental, but based on your email name of diapermom -I guess

> either your son is young has potty delays.

>

> I do understand your son has saliva just sitting/pooling in the

> mouth and he's either not swallowing often enough, which is

> also part of what can happen when a child drools too even though

> your son is not drooling, or his body is producing more saliva than

> he really needs. Unfortunately the former (drooling) is yet another

> one that I can relate to with my oldest son, and fortunately this

> too did pass!

>

> You first want to rule out there are no medical, physical etc

> reasons for too much saliva in the mouth.

> http://www.alsa-or.org/treatment/Saliva

> http://www.technologyandlanguage.com/presentations/drooling/

> http://www.duit.uwa.edu.au/web/inclusion/disability/saliva.html

> There are medications (and probably nutritional interventions as

> well!) to reduce saliva in the mouth if that is the reason.

> http://www.alsa-or.org/treatment/Saliva

> I also read there can be psychological triggers of too much

saliva -

> such as nervousness. So could be a number of reasons. Again

> however you are the first to mention too much saliva here...without

> the

> drooling part.

>

> In addition to discussing with your child's MD, as well as

> specialists such as ENTs, which I highly recommend -perhaps some of

> the strategies for droolers will work for your child in the

meantime?

>

> The following are two or three archived messages from about 2 years

> ago. This never came up before either because it's not common for a

> child to have lots of saliva in their mouth and not drool -or most

> don't want to talk about it -so the archives are on drooling.

>

> As far as drooling -Tanner never really went thought even

> the 'normal' drooping stage -Dakota made up for that big time -but

> has not drooled at all for years. Therapy deals with lots of stuff,

> strategies help cover what therapy misses -this is yet another

> example. Hope some of the following can help.

>

> From: "

[Guest guest]

Hi,

My son drooled at 6 as well and it was aweful for him at school. Actually, it

is a social stigma that followed him from the grade 1-2 kids for years so..... I

feel for your boy.

Firstly, as politicly unpopular on this board (lord knows why?)..... in OUR

case, the drooling and the sensory numbness around the face had a direct

relationship to the casien (milk) products my son was eating. As many of kids

with global issues suffer from milk intolerance, you may want to give a 3 week

elimination diet a shot and see if it helps. While we 'taught' my son to

swallow with cues, he never lost that saliva filled 'juicey' sound to his voice

until we had been milk free for about 4 months. He simply was producing too

much saliva in his mouth!

Note that if you are milk intolerant, it does not mean you will be so forever

but that your body may be reacting to something for now whereas if you have an

allergy.... that is a forever problem. I am noticing that the more we resolve

my sons health issues, the more casien products his body is able to tolerate

with the help of enzymes (not Lactaid).

As Mark grew older, I realized that for some reason, he just seemed to produce

more saliva than was normal! I constantly had to verbally cue him to swallow.

There simply was something " wrong " here.

Mark, himself, attributes that saliva filled mouth to being thirsty. That is

the personal feelings of a 13 year old boy so it is a pretty unscientific

observation but it is true..... the child used to always be dying of thirst.

This is a sign of EFA deficiency so if you find the same thing...... could be

something to look into. My son is on a personalized vitamin plan now and like

magic.... that ever present yearning to drink has stopped so obviously something

he was deficient in contributed to this issue.

One of the things we had to do with my boy is to firm up his mouth and jaw. We

did this by using an appliance available at the NACD bookstore (a few people

here have bought it without taking their kids there) called a myomunchee. For

15 minutes a day, the child wears the myomunchee and chews, chews, and chews

some more. This had the effect of really tightening the muscle groups in my

sons jaw.

Here is a link to the bookstore and look at program items. NACD is where I take

my son for home therapy plans and they have really healed my boy from dyspraxia.

http://www.nacdbookstore.com/

There are also various stimulators that you can purchase at the therapy sites to

stimulate feeling and sensation on the mouth. While I have never used these

items, I have seen them many times in my 'therapy' shopping but I am sure that

many moms here have used them.

Here is a good lip workout..... get a large button and string it with dental

floss. Have your son hold it flat against his teeth using only lip power. Once

he can do this, then have a little game of tug-a-war.... 2 minutes, 2 times

daily for 3 months! Note: When the larger button is conquored, get a tad

smaller and then work down slowly and incrementaly to a standard sized mans

shirt button. This is a fun exercise and it really works lip strength!

Another item that NACD had me use to strengthen the lips is the

http://www.talktools.net horns and straws program. This is a fun program and my

son used to have fun doing it each day. We also use the Bite blocks from

Talktools as a stabilizer when we do our oral motor exercises and they are

really nice.

Hope this gives you some ideas and though right now it seems that he will drool

forever and no one really understands the social consequences.... believe me....

I do and it is a nightmare for your boy! But with OT work and experimentation

with diet (if you haven't already) that drooly mouth does get better.

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM][ ] Drooling:: what to do for 6yo

My 6yo has been in speech therapy since 3 at school and in private

therapy. I was told his drooling was sensory related and it did get

better when he was in OT. We they tested him and said he didn't

need OT anymore and since then the drooling has gone back to what it

was.

He also has problems putting words together to make sentences. He

can say words individually but when he has to put them together they

sound like mumbling. However, some of what he says is clear. He

does excellent on articulation testing, but when he tried to make a

sentence he has problems forming the thoughts and putting together

in a sentence. He will say " cream " for " hungry " . Has problems

with /th/, /l/, and maybe /r/ sounds. The speech therapist doesn't

think it is anything to worry about.

Also, his sentences seem short to me. But, he has moments when he

will talk and talk. He also keeps referring to females as " he "

or " him " . He is trying to get this correct because he will point it

out to me when he does it right.

Can anyone suggest anything I can do for him, because no one is

working on the articulation. Speech therapy is usually work on

words ending in /sh/.

I have found a lady who does mood-Bell, but she is self trained.

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

We had that experience specifically with milk. ENT later confirmed he

has seen this with *some* kids as did OT. Neither recommended milk

loss though.

> > My 6yo has been in speech therapy since 3 at school and in

private

> > therapy. I was told his drooling was sensory related and it did

get

> > better when he was in OT. We they tested him and said he didn't

> > need OT anymore and since then the drooling has gone back to what

it

> > was.

> >

> > He also has problems putting words together to make sentences.

He

> > can say words individually but when he has to put them together

they

> > sound like mumbling. However, some of what he says is clear. He

> > does excellent on articulation testing, but when he tried to make

a

> > sentence he has problems forming the thoughts and putting

together

> > in a sentence. He will say " cream " for " hungry " . Has problems

> > with /th/, /l/, and maybe /r/ sounds. The speech therapist

doesn't

> > think it is anything to worry about.

> >

> > Also, his sentences seem short to me. But, he has moments when

he

> > will talk and talk. He also keeps referring to females as " he "

> > or " him " . He is trying to get this correct because he will point

it

> > out to me when he does it right.

> >

> > Can anyone suggest anything I can do for him, because no one is

> > working on the articulation. Speech therapy is usually work on

> > words ending in /sh/.

> >

> > I have found a lady who does mood-Bell, but she is self

trained.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

If you have no problems trying out new ideas, I have taken my son to The

National Association for Child Development for the past year and a half and

these people have changed my boys outcome! This is a non-profit organization so

it is reasonably priced and they 'know' our kids. Since the success I have had

with Mark, there are a few moms who take there kids to NACD who are on this

board. They have two main offices, one in West Chester, PA and the other in

Ogden, Utah and then there about 10 other cities that the staff travel to so

that they can evaluate kids every three months and design home therapy plans for

the moms to do. The staff of NACD work with kids from the severely brain-injured

to CP to ASD to dyspraxia and all sorts of syndromes that I have never heard of

before, to the typical child to the supremely gifted.

Most of their accellerated kids started out like ours and the success Mark has

had under their care is amazing and wonderful. He has blossomed and just

recently received a Neurotypical evaluation. It is very hard work but I shall

forever be in the debt of this organization for how they saved my child at age

11.

The exercises that I gave you on my previous email are all from NACD.

Here are a few videos to watch.

http://www.nacd.org/tour/video.html

http://www.nacd.org/tour/video2.html

http://www.nacd.org/tour/video3.html

Kids with dyspraxia need more than 1 or 2 times a week of therapy in order to

beat it..... especially if it is global dyspraxia/apraxia. They need daily

therapy particularly if they are older. The older you get with dyspraxia, the

more behind your peer group you get. So if you have good therapy, ensure that

you are getting exercises (homework) to do every single day.

Note that we see an environmental doctor too (like a DAN) so that was part of

the sollution but the therapy was the major component to our success.

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

Re: excess saliva

>

> Hi diapermom 2!

>

> You don't say your child's age since some aspects may be

> developmental, but based on your email name of diapermom -I guess

> either your son is young has potty delays.

>

> I do understand your son has saliva just sitting/pooling in the

> mouth and he's either not swallowing often enough, which is

> also part of what can happen when a child drools too even though

> your son is not drooling, or his body is producing more saliva than

> he really needs. Unfortunately the former (drooling) is yet another

> one that I can relate to with my oldest son, and fortunately this

> too did pass!

>

> You first want to rule out there are no medical, physical etc

> reasons for too much saliva in the mouth.

> http://www.alsa-or.org/treatment/Saliva

> http://www.technologyandlanguage.com/presentations/drooling/

> http://www.duit.uwa.edu.au/web/inclusion/disability/saliva.html

> There are medications (and probably nutritional interventions as

> well!) to reduce saliva in the mouth if that is the reason.

> http://www.alsa-or.org/treatment/Saliva

> I also read there can be psychological triggers of too much

saliva -

> such as nervousness. So could be a number of reasons. Again

> however you are the first to mention too much saliva here...without

> the

> drooling part.

>

> In addition to discussing with your child's MD, as well as

> specialists such as ENTs, which I highly recommend -perhaps some of

> the strategies for droolers will work for your child in the

meantime?

>

> The following are two or three archived messages from about 2 years

> ago. This never came up before either because it's not common for a

> child to have lots of saliva in their mouth and not drool -or most

> don't want to talk about it -so the archives are on drooling.

>

> As far as drooling -Tanner never really went thought even

> the 'normal' drooping stage -Dakota made up for that big time -but

> has not drooled at all for years. Therapy deals with lots of stuff,

> strategies help cover what therapy misses -this is yet another

> example. Hope some of the following can help.

>

> From: "

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing professional information - and please continue to

join in!

Here's some more back from years years ago:

Feeding Strategies to Increase Sensory Organization

by A. Ortega, M.S., CCC-SLP

http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/feeding.html

Strategies to Enhance Mealtime Behaviors

by A. Ortega, M.S., CCC-SLP

http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/mealtimetips.html

=====

[Guest guest]

Actually, no one has suggested that I do anything about the

drooling. The SLP never has mentioned it, but the OT told me it was

sensory. I'm going to try the straw thing. Do you know of any

websites that give exercises that I can try?

Thanks.

>

> I wouldn't worry too much about the th and r errors in a 6 year

old (I am a speech pathologist).?? Those error sounds are

developmental and will hopefully correct on their own soon.? Many

SLP's wont work on those sounds with a 6 year old because they are

develiopmental.? As for the drooling, are you doing any

strenghtening exercises ?? You can try drinking thick liquids like

milkshakes, pudding or apple sauce through different size straws.?

>

>

> [ ] Drooling:: what to do for 6yo

>

>

>

>

>

>

> My 6yo has been in speech therapy since 3 at school and in private

> therapy. I was told his drooling was sensory related and it did

get

> better when he was in OT. We they tested him and said he didn't

> need OT anymore and since then the drooling has gone back to what

it

> was.

>

> He also has problems putting words together to make sentences. He

> can say words individually but when he has to put them together

they

> sound like mumbling. However, some of what he says is clear. He

> does excellent on articulation testing, but when he tried to make

a

> sentence he has problems forming the thoughts and putting together

> in a sentence. He will say " cream " for " hungry " . Has problems

> with /th/, /l/, and maybe /r/ sounds. The speech therapist doesn't

> think it is anything to worry about.

>

> Also, his sentences seem short to me. But, he has moments when he

> will talk and talk. He also keeps referring to females as " he "

> or " him " . He is trying to get this correct because he will point

it

> out to me when he does it right.

>

> Can anyone suggest anything I can do for him, because no one is

> working on the articulation. Speech therapy is usually work on

> words ending in /sh/.

>

> I have found a lady who does mood-Bell, but she is self

trained.

>

> Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We drink Rice Dream and pretty much no cheese. He only really gets

ice cream once in a while at school, and the only other milk is in

the processed foods he eats. Would this be too much milk?

Thanks.

---

[Guest guest]

have you checked for heavy metal toxicity? my son had 50 single

unintellible words at 3.5. At that point I came to the end of my

rope with the mainstream/conventional route.

We started DAN and everything changed. First, we worked on his

immune problems, and voila - where there were only labels ie.

hypertonia, there were now reasons for the problems. How dare I ask

for a root cause for all of these systemic problems?

Bottom line: the real " apraxia " was in truth a damaged detox system -

no mainstream/conventional professional had come close to anything

but waste my time and a boat load of money.

When toxins can't get out - dyspraxia, apraxia, autism, allergies -

basically the new childhood epidemics.

As we get the toxins out - his ability to communicate improves.

To properly, effectively and cost efficiently deal with this problem

you MUST have a professional who is focusing on it.

Or, you spend spend your days shuttling your kid to therapy and hope

he grows out of it.

All I can say is I am glad I didn't listen to the phd who told me to

concentrate on therapy.

[Guest guest]

If you are testing for elimination diet purposes elimination is what

you would need to do to get the best idea if it is an issue.

>

> We drink Rice Dream and pretty much no cheese. He only really gets

> ice cream once in a while at school, and the only other milk is in

> the processed foods he eats. Would this be too much milk?

>

> Thanks.

>

>

>

> ---

>

[Guest guest]

We had to eliminate all milk in every source.

vaborn9902 wrote:

> We drink Rice Dream and pretty much no cheese. He only really gets

> ice cream once in a while at school, and the only other milk is in

> the processed foods he eats. Would this be too much milk?

>

> Thanks.

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know any specific websites but Super Duper Inc. is a great company that

has a website of products/programs you can? buy and it has free shipping!? One

more thing- I've seen a lot of kids who drool or have that slushy speech and it

turns out that their tonsils are really enlarged and caused a lot of these

problems.? Just a thought!

Amy

[ ] Drooling:: what to do for 6yo

>

>

>

>

>

>

> My 6yo has been in speech therapy since 3 at school and in private

> therapy. I was told his drooling was sensory related and it did

get

> better when he was in OT. We they tested him and said he didn't

> need OT anymore and since then the drooling has gone back to what

it

> was.

>

> He also has problems putting words together to make sentences. He

> can say words individually but when he has to put them together

they

> sound like mumbling. However, some of what he says is clear. He

> does excellent on articulation testing, but when he tried to make

a

> sentence he has problems forming the thoughts and putting together

> in a sentence. He will say " cream " for " hungry " . Has problems

> with /th/, /l/, and maybe /r/ sounds. The speech therapist doesn't

> think it is anything to worry about.

>

> Also, his sentences seem short to me. But, he has moments when he

> will talk and talk. He also keeps referring to females as " he "

> or " him " . He is trying to get this correct because he will point

it

> out to me when he does it right.

>

> Can anyone suggest anything I can do for him, because no one is

> working on the articulation. Speech therapy is usually work on

> words ending in /sh/.

>

> I have found a lady who does mood-Bell, but she is self

trained.

>

> Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Eliminating milk eliminates my son's drooling. He will drool if he

sneak in some sort of milk products.

---

[Guest guest]

, in a nutshell could you tell me what you did to correct the

immune problems. We have done supplements, dmsa (briefly) and hbot

(really seemed to help). He seems to keep a white tongue, but

recently tested for strep showed none. I made him do the spit in

the jar of water to test for yeast, but it didn't show anything.

How did you know that it was immune problems, did your child stay

sick?

Thanks for your help.

>

> have you checked for heavy metal toxicity? my son had 50 single

> unintellible words at 3.5. At that point I came to the end of my

> rope with the mainstream/conventional route.

>

> We started DAN and everything changed. First, we worked on his

> immune problems, and voila - where there were only labels ie.

> hypertonia, there were now reasons for the problems. How dare I

ask

> for a root cause for all of these systemic problems?

>

> Bottom line: the real " apraxia " was in truth a damaged detox

system -

> no mainstream/conventional professional had come close to anything

> but waste my time and a boat load of money.

>

> When toxins can't get out - dyspraxia, apraxia, autism, allergies -

> basically the new childhood epidemics.

>

> As we get the toxins out - his ability to communicate improves.

>

> To properly, effectively and cost efficiently deal with this

problem

> you MUST have a professional who is focusing on it.

>

> Or, you spend spend your days shuttling your kid to therapy and

hope

> he grows out of it.

>

> All I can say is I am glad I didn't listen to the phd who told me

to

> concentrate on therapy.

>

[Guest guest]

Tonsils are large, but doesn't seem to affect his breathing at

night, unlike his brother who has large tonsils and adenoids.

> >

> > I wouldn't worry too much about the th and r errors in a 6 year

> old (I am a speech pathologist).?? Those error sounds are

> developmental and will hopefully correct on their own soon.? Many

> SLP's wont work on those sounds with a 6 year old because they are

> develiopmental.? As for the drooling, are you doing any

> strenghtening exercises ?? You can try drinking thick liquids like

> milkshakes, pudding or apple sauce through different size straws.?

> >

> >

> > [ ] Drooling:: what to do for 6yo

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > My 6yo has been in speech therapy since 3 at school and in

private

> > therapy. I was told his drooling was sensory related and it did

> get

> > better when he was in OT. We they tested him and said he didn't

> > need OT anymore and since then the drooling has gone back to

what

> it

> > was.

> >

> > He also has problems putting words together to make sentences.

He

> > can say words individually but when he has to put them together

> they

> > sound like mumbling. However, some of what he says is clear. He

> > does excellent on articulation testing, but when he tried to

make

> a

> > sentence he has problems forming the thoughts and putting

together

> > in a sentence. He will say " cream " for " hungry " . Has problems

> > with /th/, /l/, and maybe /r/ sounds. The speech therapist

doesn't

> > think it is anything to worry about.

> >

> > Also, his sentences seem short to me. But, he has moments when

he

> > will talk and talk. He also keeps referring to females as " he "

> > or " him " . He is trying to get this correct because he will point

> it

> > out to me when he does it right.

> >

> > Can anyone suggest anything I can do for him, because no one is

> > working on the articulation. Speech therapy is usually work on

> > words ending in /sh/.

> >

> > I have found a lady who does mood-Bell, but she is self

> trained.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

:

Not every apraxic child is vaccine impaired! Not every single child

needs to run to a DAN either. It is wonderful that you were able to

find a DAN to help you help your child. I find it sad that you bash

mainstream doctors every chance you get because they couldn't help

you. You have a child with a unique situation. I have had some not

so good doctors and I have had some wonderful doctors that have

helped my child. Apraxia/dyspraxia involves so much and there are a

lot of options for parents to help their children!

Drooling could be an oral motor problem which is common in apraxia

and a good SLP would be able to evaluate a child and do oral motor

therapy to help in the areas that need help!! http://www.speech-

therapy-on-video.com/oralmotorexercises.html

http://www.speech-therapy-on-video.com/oralmotor.html

Oral motor therapy

OR

Hyposensitivity to oral input (under-registers)as a sensory issue

stated in the message by the mother that OT helped with this sensory

issue! SLP could help with this also.

http://www.sensory-processing-disorder.com/sensory-processing-

disorder-checklist.html (copy and paste)

Sensory Info

http://www.sensory-processing-disorder.com/sensory-integration-

activities.html (copy and paste)

acitivities for sensory issues

14. ORAL MOTOR TOYS/PRODUCTS/GAMES:

Occupational Therapists and Speech Therapists treat hundreds of

children every day who have difficulties with oral motor control and

difficulty regulating sensory input in the mouth (hypo- or hyper-

sensitive).

These are the children who have difficulties with speech, eating, are

constantly putting things in their mouth, drooling, or never eating

anything besides applesauce and yogurt.

Tina

>

> have you checked for heavy metal toxicity? my son had 50 single

> unintellible words at 3.5. At that point I came to the end of my

> rope with the mainstream/conventional route.

>

> We started DAN and everything changed. First, we worked on his

> immune problems, and voila - where there were only labels ie.

> hypertonia, there were now reasons for the problems. How dare I

ask

> for a root cause for all of these systemic problems?

>

> Bottom line: the real " apraxia " was in truth a damaged detox

system -

> no mainstream/conventional professional had come close to anything

> but waste my time and a boat load of money.

>

> When toxins can't get out - dyspraxia, apraxia, autism, allergies -

> basically the new childhood epidemics.

>

> As we get the toxins out - his ability to communicate improves.

>

> To properly, effectively and cost efficiently deal with this

problem

> you MUST have a professional who is focusing on it.

>

> Or, you spend spend your days shuttling your kid to therapy and

hope

> he grows out of it.

>

> All I can say is I am glad I didn't listen to the phd who told me

to

> concentrate on therapy.

>

[Guest guest]

Drooling often a symptom associated with low tone in the mouth area and/or

mouth breathing. Ask a speech pathologist for oral motor exercises to

strengthen the lips, tongue etc. It can also be sensory in that the child

does not recognize or feel the build up of saliva. Use verbal prompts as a

reminder for him to swallow. Other options include medications and surgery

to redirect the salivary glands.

Randi (mom to handsome Graham, 11yo CP for lack of a better diagnosis,

hypotonia, non-verbal, MR)

Founder, Giving Greetings Cards & Gifts

www.SayitwithSymbols.com

www.CafePress.com/SayitwithSymbol Gift Shop

[Guest guest]

Right, and the mouth breathing, in our case, was part of the milk

puzzle according to our ENT.

>

> Drooling often a symptom associated with low tone in the mouth area

and/or

> mouth breathing. Ask a speech pathologist for oral motor exercises

to

> strengthen the lips, tongue etc. It can also be sensory in that

the child

> does not recognize or feel the build up of saliva. Use verbal

prompts as a

> reminder for him to swallow. Other options include medications and

surgery

> to redirect the salivary glands.

>

>

>

> Randi (mom to handsome Graham, 11yo CP for lack of a better

diagnosis,

> hypotonia, non-verbal, MR)

>

>

>

> Founder, Giving Greetings Cards & Gifts

>

> www.SayitwithSymbols.com

>

> www.CafePress.com/SayitwithSymbol Gift Shop

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Personally, I do think a damaged detox system is the one thing a lot of

us *may* have in common. The cause is what I think differs. Is metal

the cause of all of this? Even if it is did the metal come first or the

genetic predisposition, the allergy, etc.? I think no one, not even

some of the DANs look at this enough. What is the sense of chelating,

supplementing or dieting if you eat the wrong food for your genetic

profile? Fail to address an allergen? Continue bathe or drink bad

water? Use too much of or the wrong supplements? Continue to get shots

with preservatives you cannot handle or unpreserved and staggered shots

with viruses or other ingredients you can't handle? Plus there is the

issue of viruses and/or bacterial infections received in utero (not to

mention metal from mom's amalgams. Since one of the things that came up

for me on our journey was a dx of Epstein Barr it does make me wonder

if I had that with either pregnancy. Some things I may never know.

Doesn't keep me from looking. Not saying anyone else should look. I

think in the end all of us should do what we are most comfortable for

the safety and welfare of our individual children and be comfortable

enough in our own decisins not to chide others for theirs.

[Guest guest]

,

Ditto here!

We conquored a LOT with therapy but we are doing round 5 of DMSA to get the lead

and mercury out..... I can see my son normalizing right before my very eyes. My

child had been damaged by metals and the real path to healing is to get rid of

them!

This is politically unpopular but I think that as of tonight, Larry King will

change that and we will all be more comfortable about speaking of these issues

without getting all hot under the collar. Society has got to 'get over-itself'

and do its best for the sake of the children. We must rise above and rescue our

kids and our planet.

Bottom line is: imo, the metals must come out and the metabolic pathways must

get healed or our children will never be completely normal! They will always be

a step or two behind everyone else. That is no way to live if you can help it.

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM][ ] Re: Drooling:: what to do for 6yo

have you checked for heavy metal toxicity? my son had 50 single

unintellible words at 3.5. At that point I came to the end of my

rope with the mainstream/conventional route.

We started DAN and everything changed. First, we worked on his

immune problems, and voila - where there were only labels ie.

hypertonia, there were now reasons for the problems. How dare I ask

for a root cause for all of these systemic problems?

Bottom line: the real " apraxia " was in truth a damaged detox system -

no mainstream/conventional professional had come close to anything

but waste my time and a boat load of money.

When toxins can't get out - dyspraxia, apraxia, autism, allergies -

basically the new childhood epidemics.

As we get the toxins out - his ability to communicate improves.

To properly, effectively and cost efficiently deal with this problem

you MUST have a professional who is focusing on it.

Or, you spend spend your days shuttling your kid to therapy and hope

he grows out of it.

All I can say is I am glad I didn't listen to the phd who told me to

concentrate on therapy.

[Guest guest]

Ice-cream is a tough one. To really 'see' whether or not casien is an issue,

you need to completely eliminate it for a period of 3 weeks from your life. No

casien in anything.... even white bread has it! So if you want to check this,

do it right so that you absolutely 'know' for sure. Three weeks of milk free

and then have a milk day....

we tested it by going to Dairy Queen after 3 weeks! Some have a variety of milk

products for a day and then you need to go back to milk free for a few days to

see the reaction. Some milk responders will react that day (as my son did) or

they react the next day or two. If your son has a reaction..... don't worry....

you won't miss it!

Those of us with kids who are milk free have kids who have responded 'violently'

to the consequences of milk. There are peptides in milk that mimic an opiate

response in some people and this affects many different systems. In order to

see it, the casien must be completely out of the body and this takes 3 weeks to

accomplish.

So..... a 3 week trial elimination diet is the only way to absolutely " know " .

If you don't see a reaction then add it back in and move on to the next source

of possible issues.... your child is not a responder. If your child IS a

responder, you will find real progress when you get rid of the milk completely

for a while.

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM][ ] Re: Drooling:: what to do for 6yo

We drink Rice Dream and pretty much no cheese. He only really gets

ice cream once in a while at school, and the only other milk is in

the processed foods he eats. Would this be too much milk?

Thanks.

---

[Guest guest]

All children are wired a bit differently. That said, in my case, I

really have to credit hyperbaric oxygen therapy for helping boost my

sons impaired immune system to where I felt comfortable enough to use

a compounded chelator. But we did about 1.5 year of fairly

consistant supplementation (and testing) prior to doing 40 dives of

hyperbarics in a hard chamber. And, I will also say if you get the

feeling you've reached your current Dr.'s limit - it's not a bad idea

to get a fresh pair of eyes on the case. And, I do continually read

and research and stay on top of any new studies. And, there are

conferences held all over the country with the top Dr.'s speaking,

new information/studies shared. If you go to a conference, you will

know immediately if you are moving forward or your stagnating.

I hope that answered your question.

>

> , in a nutshell could you tell me what you did to correct the

> immune problems. We have done supplements, dmsa (briefly) and hbot

> (really seemed to help). He seems to keep a white tongue, but

> recently tested for strep showed none. I made him do the spit in

> the jar of water to test for yeast, but it didn't show anything.

>

> How did you know that it was immune problems, did your child stay

> sick?

>

> Thanks for your help.

>

>

[Guest guest]

The only thing that cleared up my son's drool was no milk in ANYTHING!

I now hate holidays where the kids get candy and treats. Valentines

Day was pretty awful in our house. The kids snuck some candy and the

drool was back along with other horrid behaviors.

Look for items that state " PARVE " as these are dairy free for

religious reasons.

I agree with Janice below.

>

> Ice-cream is a tough one. To really 'see' whether or not casien is

an issue, you need to completely eliminate it for a period of 3 weeks

from your life. No casien in anything.... even white bread has it!

So if you want to check this, do it right so that you absolutely

'know' for sure. Three weeks of milk free and then have a milk day....

>

> we tested it by going to Dairy Queen after 3 weeks! Some have a

variety of milk products for a day and then you need to go back to

milk free for a few days to see the reaction. Some milk responders

will react that day (as my son did) or they react the next day or two.

If your son has a reaction..... don't worry.... you won't miss it!

>

> Those of us with kids who are milk free have kids who have responded

'violently' to the consequences of milk. There are peptides in milk

that mimic an opiate response in some people and this affects many

different systems. In order to see it, the casien must be completely

out of the body and this takes 3 weeks to accomplish.

>

> So..... a 3 week trial elimination diet is the only way to

absolutely " know " . If you don't see a reaction then add it back in

and move on to the next source of possible issues.... your child is

not a responder. If your child IS a responder, you will find real

progress when you get rid of the milk completely for a while.

>

> Janice

> Mother of Mark, 13

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [sPAM][ ] Re: Drooling:: what to do for 6yo

>

>

> We drink Rice Dream and pretty much no cheese. He only really gets

> ice cream once in a while at school, and the only other milk is in

> the processed foods he eats. Would this be too much milk?

>

> Thanks.

>

> ---

>

>

>

>

>