Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Your son sounds like ! :-) She is 5 with nearly resolved apraxia, an advanced vocabulary and is starting to read and seems to like math. She too takes her NN every day. is a VERY particular eater. She eats monterey jack cheese, crackers, pretzels, french fries, bagels, apples, grapes, bananas, carrots, watermelon, buttered toast, yogurt, pudding, cereal bars, cheerios, peanut butter crackers, ice cream, milkshakes and an occasional bite of a peanut butter sandwich. She will very, very rarely try new food. She has always been this way. We know that the issue is a mixed-texture, sensory thing. Her diet is limited because she will not eat mixed texture things, which, if you think about it, make up the bulk of most diets. I have talked to several dieticians, nutritionists, occupational theraists and our Developmental Pediatrician about it. Most of what she eats is reasonably good for her. They keep saying to be creative and to encourage the smallest improvements. We do. We also give her vitamins (Nordic Naturals Nordic Berries) and enriched foods. It has not escaped me that much of what she eats is wheat and dairy. However, she is doing so well and has made such dramatic progress, that I don't really think that this is holding her back. Her speech is age appropriate now; what remains are fine motor challenges and some distractability. I used to obsess about it; now, not so much. She is healthy and growing and looks healthy - rosy cheeks, shiny hair, active and smiling. We keep encouraging and make sure that she gets fruits and veggies and cheese (for protein and calcium) every day. I give her enriched bread and cereal bars as much as I can. I am not sure if this is helpful, but know that you are not alone. Pittsford (suburb of Rochester), NY , Mom to (5.8), verbal apraxia, hypotonia and fine motor delays (but very conversational :-) ) and (3.5), our precocious talker. pahammond2 wrote: > > I haven't been here for a long time, but I still read and keep up. > > Our little guy is a big 7 year old now. Very sophisticated vocabulary, > reads beautifully, but > math is his thing. We couldn't be happier, or more grateful. He still > takes his Nordic > Naturals every day. > > His diet is the concern. He likes pretty much only carbs and sugar. > HIs favorite food groups! > Protein is hot dogs, good home made meat balls, chicken fingers (loves > fried stuff) virtually > no fruit, except the occasional freshly picked (!) apple, apple sauce, > if pressed. He will drink > milk. NO vegetables. Oh, he likes salsa, the spicier the better. He > might touch his tongue to > a " strange " food, but usually says, " I don't like it " . Sometimes he'll > eat it, but then say he > doesn't want any more. > > As a little guy he ate everything, and gradually tapered off > everything! I think it started out a > sensory, textural thing. What do parents do about such a problem? > We're not into forcing, of > course, or bribing. But the building blocks for his beautiful little > body are seriously deficient. > > My concern is that he will become really phobic about food. Maybe he's > already there. I'd > sure appreciate the wisdom of the group. Thanks in advance. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 3:09 PM > > ---------- ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 3:09 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 I am 38, look healthy, etc. I LOVE CARBS AND SUGAR AND I would eat ONLY frosting for dinner if I did not know better, and if I did not care if I gained 455 pounds. His tastes sound normal to me! Sweet tooth in NY From: pahammond2 <hammond.pat@...> Subject: [ ] My grandson's food " phobias " Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 7:42 PM I haven't been here for a long time, but I still read and keep up. Our little guy is a big 7 year old now. Very sophisticated vocabulary, reads beautifully, but math is his thing. We couldn't be happier, or more grateful. He still takes his Nordic Naturals every day. His diet is the concern. He likes pretty much only carbs and sugar. HIs favorite food groups! Protein is hot dogs, good home made meat balls, chicken fingers (loves fried stuff) virtually no fruit, except the occasional freshly picked (!) apple, apple sauce, if pressed. He will drink milk. NO vegetables. Oh, he likes salsa, the spicier the better. He might touch his tongue to a " strange " food, but usually says, " I don't like it " . Sometimes he'll eat it, but then say he doesn't want any more. As a little guy he ate everything, and gradually tapered off everything! I think it started out a sensory, textural thing. What do parents do about such a problem? We're not into forcing, of course, or bribing. But the building blocks for his beautiful little body are seriously deficient. My concern is that he will become really phobic about food. Maybe he's already there. I'd sure appreciate the wisdom of the group. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Two of my three children are picky eaters. No veggies at all. I found this wonderful cook book on how to incorporate veggies in all sorts of meals. I'm telling you the kids have no idea they are eating veggies. http://www.deceptivelydelicious.com/site/ -ne From: pahammond2 <hammond.pat@...> Subject: [ ] My grandson's food " phobias " Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 6:42 PM I haven't been here for a long time, but I still read and keep up. Our little guy is a big 7 year old now. Very sophisticated vocabulary, reads beautifully, but math is his thing. We couldn't be happier, or more grateful. He still takes his Nordic Naturals every day. His diet is the concern. He likes pretty much only carbs and sugar. HIs favorite food groups! Protein is hot dogs, good home made meat balls, chicken fingers (loves fried stuff) virtually no fruit, except the occasional freshly picked (!) apple, apple sauce, if pressed. He will drink milk. NO vegetables. Oh, he likes salsa, the spicier the better. He might touch his tongue to a " strange " food, but usually says, " I don't like it " . Sometimes he'll eat it, but then say he doesn't want any more. As a little guy he ate everything, and gradually tapered off everything! I think it started out a sensory, textural thing. What do parents do about such a problem? We're not into forcing, of course, or bribing. But the building blocks for his beautiful little body are seriously deficient. My concern is that he will become really phobic about food. Maybe he's already there. I'd sure appreciate the wisdom of the group. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 > > > From: pahammond2 <hammond.pat@...> > Subject: [ ] My grandson's food " phobias " > > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 6:42 PM > > Believe me, we've tried. I spent one whole day making pureed beets, spinach, heaven knows what else! He wouldn't touch it after one taste, even the brownies. The kid has radar for veggies! He's too old now, and too smart. Somehow, we need to figure out a way to appeal to his intelligence. Or something. If only he'd TRY with an open mind. I still think there's a sensory element. He won't eat mashed potatoes. Who doesn't like mashed potatoes? Well, I'm rambling, I know. But I just see him going through life like this! > > Two of my three children are picky eaters. No veggies at all. I found this wonderful cook book on how to incorporate veggies in all sorts of meals. I'm telling you the kids have no idea they are eating veggies. > http://www.deceptivelydelicious.com/site/ > > -ne > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Hi , i can't figure out where to put my reply. Hope this reaches the group.. I so appreciate your note. If our little guy would eat apples, grapes, bananas, carrots, and watermelon, I, too, could relax. The " mixed sensory " thing sure strikes a chord! Again, thank you. Will try to relax, which would be the best thing for everybody! He's my grandson, so I have some input, by try not to overstep, if you know what I mean! Cheers. Pat > > > > I haven't been here for a long time, but I still read and keep up. > > > > Our little guy is a big 7 year old now. Very sophisticated vocabulary, > > reads beautifully, but > > math is his thing. We couldn't be happier, or more grateful. He still > > takes his Nordic > > Naturals every day. > > > > His diet is the concern. He likes pretty much only carbs and sugar. > > HIs favorite food groups! > > Protein is hot dogs, good home made meat balls, chicken fingers (loves > > fried stuff) virtually > > no fruit, except the occasional freshly picked (!) apple, apple sauce, > > if pressed. He will drink > > milk. NO vegetables. Oh, he likes salsa, the spicier the better. He > > might touch his tongue to > > a " strange " food, but usually says, " I don't like it " . Sometimes he'll > > eat it, but then say he > > doesn't want any more. > > > > As a little guy he ate everything, and gradually tapered off > > everything! I think it started out a > > sensory, textural thing. What do parents do about such a problem? > > We're not into forcing, of > > course, or bribing. But the building blocks for his beautiful little > > body are seriously deficient. > > > > My concern is that he will become really phobic about food. Maybe he's > > already there. I'd > > sure appreciate the wisdom of the group. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 3:09 PM > > > > > > ---------- > > > ---------- > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 3:09 PM > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Hey Pat! Sigh ... and I worry about Ally's protein intake ;-). Cheese is basically it. I worry about this super selective diet and her nutrition as well as the impact socially. I wouldn't say that I have relaxed, more like ... I have let it go because it will be a battle that I won't win. Mixed texture foods are seriously a huge part of what we eat, so this is a real obstacle. It's hard. Believe me, I know. It doesn't help that is a teeny tiny little thing. She seems to be undergoing a growth spurt at the moment, but at 5.5 doesn't even weigh 40 pounds. She's an adorable little waif, for sure. I guess we wouldn't be parents or grandparents if we didn't worry obsessively, right? :-) Warmly, pahammond2 wrote: > > Hi , i can't figure out where to put my reply. Hope this reaches > the group.. I so > appreciate your note. If our little guy would eat apples, grapes, bananas, > carrots, and watermelon, I, too, could relax. The " mixed sensory " > thing sure strikes a > chord! Again, thank you. Will try to relax, which would be the best > thing for everybody! > > He's my grandson, so I have some input, by try not to overstep, if you > know what I mean! > > Cheers. Pat > > > > > > > > I haven't been here for a long time, but I still read and keep up. > > > > > > Our little guy is a big 7 year old now. Very sophisticated > vocabulary, > > > reads beautifully, but > > > math is his thing. We couldn't be happier, or more grateful. He still > > > takes his Nordic > > > Naturals every day. > > > > > > His diet is the concern. He likes pretty much only carbs and sugar. > > > HIs favorite food groups! > > > Protein is hot dogs, good home made meat balls, chicken fingers > (loves > > > fried stuff) virtually > > > no fruit, except the occasional freshly picked (!) apple, apple > sauce, > > > if pressed. He will drink > > > milk. NO vegetables. Oh, he likes salsa, the spicier the better. He > > > might touch his tongue to > > > a " strange " food, but usually says, " I don't like it " . Sometimes > he'll > > > eat it, but then say he > > > doesn't want any more. > > > > > > As a little guy he ate everything, and gradually tapered off > > > everything! I think it started out a > > > sensory, textural thing. What do parents do about such a problem? > > > We're not into forcing, of > > > course, or bribing. But the building blocks for his beautiful little > > > body are seriously deficient. > > > > > > My concern is that he will become really phobic about food. Maybe > he's > > > already there. I'd > > > sure appreciate the wisdom of the group. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: > 1/16/2009 3:09 > PM > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: > 1/16/2009 3:09 PM > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Hi , We are vegetarians, and my 2.9 yo son, Larsyn has major food sensory issues! He eats what eats, minus the fruit and cheese! I was very concerned about his protein intake, so we use protein powder. I buy it from www.vitacost.com, because they have the best prices and we go thru the stuff like crazy. I now use it and so does my other son. I like Jarrow Formulas 100% Whey Protein in Natural and Chocolate flavors. I add a scoop in his rice milk (the kid loves rice milk, but it has NO protein). I even cook with the natural flavor...add a scoop or two in the pancake mix, muffin mix, etc. Each scoop gives 18 grams of protein. I also like Biochem Protein Powder (20 grams protein per scoop). As long as you aren't on a GFCF diet (or have a milk allergy), whey protein should be fine. There are different protein powders out there (hemp, pea, egg white, etc), but we don't have a problem with milk proteins. I also have him on a good multivit, probiotic, B12, Orac-Energy Greens supplement, Carnitor (prescription), CoQ10 and the fish oil cocktail. He is in the 95% for height and 50- 75% for weight! -Jenna Weil (mom of Larsyn 2.9yo son w/-severe verbal apraxia, dyspraxia, hypotonia, SPD and Chance 5.4 yo NT son) > > > > I haven't been here for a long time, but I still read and keep up. > > > > Our little guy is a big 7 year old now. Very sophisticated vocabulary, > > reads beautifully, but > > math is his thing. We couldn't be happier, or more grateful. He still > > takes his Nordic > > Naturals every day. > > > > His diet is the concern. He likes pretty much only carbs and sugar. > > HIs favorite food groups! > > Protein is hot dogs, good home made meat balls, chicken fingers (loves > > fried stuff) virtually > > no fruit, except the occasional freshly picked (!) apple, apple sauce, > > if pressed. He will drink > > milk. NO vegetables. Oh, he likes salsa, the spicier the better. He > > might touch his tongue to > > a " strange " food, but usually says, " I don't like it " . Sometimes he'll > > eat it, but then say he > > doesn't want any more. > > > > As a little guy he ate everything, and gradually tapered off > > everything! I think it started out a > > sensory, textural thing. What do parents do about such a problem? > > We're not into forcing, of > > course, or bribing. But the building blocks for his beautiful little > > body are seriously deficient. > > > > My concern is that he will become really phobic about food. Maybe he's > > already there. I'd > > sure appreciate the wisdom of the group. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 3:09 PM > > > > > > ---------- > > > ---------- > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 3:09 PM > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Feeding/sensory issues come up often. Links from Tanner's one awesome preschool SLP A. Ortega, M.S., CCC-SLP http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/feeding.html http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/mealtimetips.html Here's a huge archive for those of you that need this: From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...> Date: Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:51 pm Subject: Re: Poor eating habits, what to do? kiddietalk Some great tips Suzi! No adult picky eaters you say?...I know one -my husband! Will only eat raw veggies -says he " can't " eat them cooked for just one example. (yes we have fun at dinner at our house) And he was like this from childhood and was a " normal " child. And even better just thought of another " normal " child to adult picky eater -I went to school with this girl Jane T. who's mom was a nurse and who wouldn't eat anything every day but hamburgers, french fries, and Twinkies. She told us back then that " everything else smells gross " and " if it smells gross I won't eat it " Skinny as anything -almost made it into the Olympics she was that talented as a gymnist, and was after HS and college a show girl in the Islands till she got married. Ran into Jane T. at a HS reunion and she told a table of us that she keeps cartons of Twinkies in her house she is so afraid they will stop making them. Strange but true -can't make that stuff up! Anyway... Below is an archive collection of some tips posted for picky eaters. Not all from the archives of course -but a selection some of you may find tidbits of advice from! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~start of archives Hi Traci, I know it sounds horrible, but it is comforting to know I'm not the only mom out there facing these types of problems. I am sorry to hear that you too have a difficult eater. I have three children (12yo, 4yo, and 2.10yo) that are problem eaters, ranging from being a VERY picky eater to not being able to eat, and it can be overwhelming at times...oh who am I kidding, I mean all of the time LOL. GERD stands for gastoesophageal reflux disease. Chase was dx'd with GERD at 3mo of age following pneumonia caused by aspiration from reflux. He had a nissen fundoplication (a surgery to create a one-way valve to prevent stomach contents from re-entering the esophagus) and hiatal hernia repair at 14mo for severe GERD. As a result of severe reflux he developed oral aversions, causing him to gag, retch, and vomit at every meal. The oral aversions continued after surgery, which made it very difficult for Chase to grow and gain weight, and he could not advance from thinned pureed baby foods. Chase was then dx'd with FTT (failure to thrive) and had a g- tube surgically placed at the age of two. Here are some strategies I've gained from the feeding group Chase attended, and which helped Chase overcome his oral avertions (he's willing to try any type of food and textures now, the problem is he does know what to do with the food once it's in his mouth) that might help with increasing you daughter's tolerance and exploration of foods and widen the variety of foods she we eat. STEPS TO EATING The Hierarchy to Eating Step 1: TOLERATE *being in the same room *being at the table with food on the other side of the table *being at the table with food 1/2 way across the table *being at the table with the food approximately in front of the child *looks at food when directly in front of child Step 2: INTERACTS WITH *assists in preparation/set up with food *uses utensils or a container to stir or pour food/drink *uses utensils or container to serve self Step 3: SMELLS *odor in room *odor at table *odor directly in front of child *leans down or picks up to smell Step 4: TOUCH *fingertips, fingerpads *whole hand *chest, shoulder *top of head *chin, cheek *nose, underneath nose *lips *teeth *tip of tongue, full tongue Step 4: TASTE *licks lips, togue licks food *bites off piece & spits out immediately *bites piece, holds in mouth for " X " seconds & spits out *bites, chews " X " times & spits out *chews, partially swallows *chews, swallows with drink *chews and swallows independantly Finally: EATING HIERARCHY STRATEGIES TOLERATES: 1. describe the properties of the food while it is in front of you 2. you manipulate food in a creative/educational way near/in front of child 3. child watches food preparation because it is interesting 4. food is passed in front of child; directly in front of face 5. place food on a napkin or table next to child and move closer to child as tolerates (without drawing attention to this, over the course of the meal) 6. place food on edge of plate and move closer as tolerates INTERACTION: 1. have child pass food container to another 2. have child serve self or another family member with a utensil 3.child helps with food preparation using utensils 4. child stirs with a utensil or other food (e.g. pretzel rod) 5. child manipulates outer wrapper 6. child pushes one food with another food (making a train) 7. child puts one food into another (making faces, making b-day cakes with candles) 8. child blows on food to tip it over or move along the plate/surface SMELL: 1.have child in kitchen while food is being cooked 2. helps prepare foods with utensils or hands 3. peeling, cutting, stirring 4. waving food in front of face ( mimicing fans, airplanes, wiggle worms, " teaching physics of food " ) 5. bringing the food near the nose (make mustaches, whiskers, beards, lipstick, clown noses) 6. model leaning down and exaggerating smelling ( " Hmmm...Ahhh " ) TOUCH: 1. building with food (making trains, steps, bridges, rainbows, letters, shapes) 2. painting with foods (shapes, letters, pictures, faces, etc) 3. driving foods and driving foods under other foods (peanuts make great boats and cars) 4. inch worm up the hand, arm, shoulder, cheeks, etc 5. driving to the cave (mouth) 6. kissing foods, foods kissing you 7. pretending the food is lipstick, rubbing food on lips 8. flicking onto plate, into bowl 9. serving yourself with your hands 10. scraping with ahnds into trash; throwing away foods on the table 11. making food into objects you can wear (earings, glasses, necklace, bows in hair, rings, etc) 12. smashing, crunching, breaking, ripping, tearing with hands 13. cookie cutters 14. give food hugs 15. tapping the food on the teeth 16. balancing the food on your nose 17. hanging the food from lower lip 18. holding food on/above your upper lip with no hands 19. sliding down the slide/ski slope (= your nose) 20. sticking the food to parts of the body (forehead, cheek, hand, nose, chin) TASTE: 1. being a puppy with a bone 2. holding food in teeth, no hands 3. kissing food 4. driving into mouth 5 blowing out of mouth 6. hold in teeth then push out with tongue 7. licking ( " make it wet, like a puppy does " , lick it like an icecream cone) 8. listen to the noises it makes when biting/crunching 9. imitate brushing teeth with food 10. making a popping noice pulling foods out of mouth 11. exaggerated chewing with noise and head movement 12. licking food from fingers 13. hold bite of food in back teeth, spit out 14. bite off small peices, then spit out quickly 15. touch to tip of tongue fast 16. playing peek-a-boo on tongue 17. counting chews 18. " 1, 2, 3 " everyone licks, bites etc *Prior to meals, warm up the mouth with blowing bubbles, blow toys, whistles. Never allow the child to eat alone. Remove distractive sources (turn of TV). If child still uses highchair, move it as close to the table as you can so the child feels included during the meal time. Have all family members take part and follow along. Take turns trying things with your food (e.g. " look I can hold this pea on my tongue " and everyone follows and shows each other. Remember, once your child is chewing and eating, then you can teach manors. Choose atleast one meal a day and a snack time to do feeding therapy. Thanks so much for your support, Kris Hi Pam and Tammy and all! If you guys are looking for more food tips -Here is a great resource article -and not just for picky eaters (clip from file and the rest on a link) And Tammy I agree -I didn't know liked feta cheese either! I don't recall that at our " tailgate party " at Disney's Typhoon Lagoon! (We have got to do that again soon!) " Kids Can Cook - And Learning Is the Secret Ingredient! Most children learn quickly that eating is fun. They also enjoy helping adults cook. Put the two together and you have the perfect recipe for learning. Children learn best when they're busy and interested in what they are doing. When children are busy scrubbing, mixing, stirring, kneading, spreading, tossing, squeezing, and pouring, they don't realize there's a special ingredient that you're adding: It's called learning! .. Cooking involves reading and talking. There is much to talk about as a recipe is read, followed, and prepared. .. Children learn math skills through counting, measuring, and following step-by-step directions. .. Science is learned as children see how food changes during cooking. They learn about hot and cold, floating and sinking, dissolving, melting, and freezing. .. Good nutrition is encouraged through cooking. Seeing exactly what goes into a recipe helps children learn to make better decisions about the food they eat. .. Children can learn about and connect with other cultures as they prepare foods from various cultural groups. .. Thinking skills are developed as children learn to compare and make relationships in food preparation. If we use too much flour in our cookie recipe, the result is a dry, hard cookie. Proportions are easily mastered when children learn that if you double the ingredients in the cookie recipe, you get double the cookies. .. Social skills are practiced in cooking when children work together, take turns, and solve problems. Most importantly, self- esteem abounds when children prepare foods for themselves and others. IMPORTANT POINTS TO REMEMBER .. Good cooks of all ages always wash their hands before cooking. .. Tell children to wait until the dish is done before sampling it. This will help prevent illness. .. Expect spills and messes. .. Children have short attention spans. Give them quick, simple jobs, and give instructions one at a time. .. Children get excited and forget. Repeat directions as often as needed. .. Young cooks need constant supervision. .. Give children jobs to help with cleanup. " Full article with lots of tips at the link below! http://betterkidcare.psu.edu/CaringForKids/CaringForKids3-5.pdf " The Finicky Eater Help! My child is very picky! The list of foods he will accept is very short. The Poor Eater My child won't eat anything. I have done everything I know to do, but she just won't eat a thing. What should I do? The Obese Child My child eats too much. He is quite chubby and I really worry that he will grow up to be fat. (a direct link to this page for helpful advise) http://www.ellynsatter.com/Pages/Parents.htm ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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