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Hi !

Mom's always do know best! Yes there are those kids that do better on

higher DHA too. Other than you I know that Tina's son does well on

just the ProEPA alone -no ProEFA at all. My son and many others here

have found raising the EPA too high creates a regression. Thing about

fish oils are since they work so quickly both ways -it's easy to know

what the right formula is for each child. I post what works for the

majority -but each of us over time will learn if our child is the

exception. And who cares -as long as it works!!

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Hi :

posted about my son Landon on ProEPA...I did start with the

original formula and he was on 6 caps when I accidentally switched

him to just ProEPA. The bottles look very similiar...it was a week

later when I figured out what I was doing. At that time he was 3 1/2

and age appropriate for expressive speech. I remember him being in

the boys' garden talking to the bugs...using short sentences that I

hadn't heard before! It was one of those moments you just don't

forget! I did try to go back to the original formula, but he lost the

clarity he had gained so I switched him back to just ProEPA. Since

though, I have been able to reduce his fish oil caps from 6 to 3

almost a year ago with no regression. I just recently switched him

again to a different formula. For Landon this works...for some like

was saying more EPA brings on a regression such as slurred

speech. To keep down confusion, I don't usually post what Landon's

formula is, but you saying that you have tried the other formula with

no results and playing with the oils to try to find what might work

is a great idea for others if the 2EFA-1EPA isn't working.

Glad you found something that is bringing out your little man's voice!

Tina

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It is wonderful when you hit on something that you *know* is helping

your child. I wanted to post to make sure that parents who've not had

success with the formula used on this list go ahead and experiment a

little (but slowly). There is OVERWHELMING evidence that EFAs are

critical for developing brains. I also think that kids with two

diagnoses (autism and apraxia combo in particular) might have slightly

different needs than children with just apraxia. I also think that the

DAN protocol, with regard to EFAs, doesn't really address the apraxia

part and has a very " one size fits all " approach. Our children are all

individuals and we as moms have to figure out what their unique needs are.

We have a heck of a long way to go but I'm very encouraged by these

developments in my son and hope I've encouraged others to really

persist with EFAs for their children. Heck, my NT son, my husband and

I all take EFAs now as well (but different formulas).

>

> Hi :

> posted about my son Landon on ProEPA...I did start with the

> original formula and he was on 6 caps when I accidentally switched

> him to just ProEPA. The bottles look very similiar...it was a week

> later when I figured out what I was doing. At that time he was 3 1/2

> and age appropriate for expressive speech. I remember him being in

> the boys' garden talking to the bugs...using short sentences that I

> hadn't heard before! It was one of those moments you just don't

> forget! I did try to go back to the original formula, but he lost the

> clarity he had gained so I switched him back to just ProEPA. Since

> though, I have been able to reduce his fish oil caps from 6 to 3

> almost a year ago with no regression. I just recently switched him

> again to a different formula. For Landon this works...for some like

> was saying more EPA brings on a regression such as slurred

> speech. To keep down confusion, I don't usually post what Landon's

> formula is, but you saying that you have tried the other formula with

> no results and playing with the oils to try to find what might work

> is a great idea for others if the 2EFA-1EPA isn't working.

> Glad you found something that is bringing out your little man's voice!

> Tina

>

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I wanted to thank you for your post! It reminds me to always be

striving for more and play around with what feels right. I have

accidentally given my son more EPA on occasion, and I had noticed the

same thing. I know that a lot of us are going to DAN Drs, but have

to also go with our gut. Our DAN Dr. is actually impressed by the

high doses of fish oil this groups uses-she says that people usually

use too little and that is why they don't see a difference!

This is kind of an OT question (but at least it isn't about Octomom!)-

-where do you go to post questions about DAN protocols? We are just

starting on that journey and there are so many options to consider.

We go next month to get our test results back (we did hair, urine,

and stool), but she has recommended the multi-vitamin (he didn't like

the first one so we ordered other samples), zinc (which is AMAZING!),

b-12 shots (but we have the oral B-12 now and haven't started that

yes), probiotic (totally amazing), and of course we are on the GFCF

diet (most results with that intervention, it is as dramatic as the

fish oils were for my son's speech).

Thanks,

Penny

http://twoplusoneequalsfive.blogspot.com/

>

> Hello parents,

>

> I just thought I'd post about my past several months of

experimenting

> with fish oil dosages with my ASD/Apraxic son. Before I really

became

> an active member of this group, I followed the advice of our DAN

> doctor and gave my son Cod Liver oil. Nothing much happened.

>

> So, I started on Nordic Naturals EFAs and, nothing much. After about

> two months, I added one, then two, EPAs and thought I saw some

> improvements including increased pointing, more babbling, etc.

>

> About three weeks ago, I upped the EPA to 3 capsules and, well,

we've

> had a really noticeable spurt in word approximations and clarity of

> words as well as BRAND NEW sounds we've never heard before. He

started

> using " f " (wow) and now asks me for " fuh fries " when he's hungry. He

> used to use mostly " neutral " vowel sounds (uh) so, bear, bus, beans,

> etc. all sounded the same (ie, buh). He's gained dipthongs (/ai/ as

in

> hi! and bye; /ei/ as in say, hey; and /oi/ as in boy). This is not

> just my imagination either as his teacher, both the school SLP and

OT

> as well as his ABA therapists have all noticed this big difference

in

> the last three weeks. I didn't ask anyone their opinions on his

> language; their comments were all offered spontaneously.

>

> I've done a fair bit of reading about this and there is *some*

> evidence to suggest that kids with ASD benefit from a higher ratio

of

> EPA to EFA. I can dig through my articles and post.

>

> My son just turned 5 and I was really beginning to wonder if we'd

ever

> get much more language out of him as his progress was painfully,

> painfully slow. I now feel a lot more optimistic and am looking

> forward to hearing more of what he has to say.

>

> If you have a child with apraxia and ASD, don't give up. The

formula I

> used may not be right for everyone but if you *methodically*

> experiment with dosages, you might just come up with a dosage that

> works for your child. FYI, I didn't change anything else in his

biomed

> regime during this time as I was focused on figuring out the oils

(and

> also I can't keep up with all the costs of DAN!) so, I'm pretty sure

> the changes are due to this fish oil ratio.

>

>

>

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Penny,

This is a wonderful group for all things biomed....

chelatingkids2

This is another smaller group with a lot of kids with dyspraxia/apraxia which I

love.....

ApraxiaDyspraxiaBiomedSupport

They are both biomed groups but discuss therapy too.

Janice

Mother of Mark, 14

[ ] Re: recent successes with fish oil dosage for

kiddo with apraxia & autism

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I wanted to thank you for your post! It reminds me to always be

striving for more and play around with what feels right. I have

accidentally given my son more EPA on occasion, and I had noticed the

same thing. I know that a lot of us are going to DAN Drs, but have

to also go with our gut. Our DAN Dr. is actually impressed by the

high doses of fish oil this groups uses-she says that people usually

use too little and that is why they don't see a difference!

This is kind of an OT question (but at least it isn't about Octomom!)-

-where do you go to post questions about DAN protocols? We are just

starting on that journey and there are so many options to consider.

We go next month to get our test results back (we did hair, urine,

and stool), but she has recommended the multi-vitamin (he didn't like

the first one so we ordered other samples), zinc (which is AMAZING!),

b-12 shots (but we have the oral B-12 now and haven't started that

yes), probiotic (totally amazing), and of course we are on the GFCF

diet (most results with that intervention, it is as dramatic as the

fish oils were for my son's speech).

Thanks,

Penny

http://twoplusoneequalsfive.blogspot.com/

>

> Hello parents,

>

> I just thought I'd post about my past several months of

experimenting

> with fish oil dosages with my ASD/Apraxic son. Before I really

became

> an active member of this group, I followed the advice of our DAN

> doctor and gave my son Cod Liver oil. Nothing much happened.

>

> So, I started on Nordic Naturals EFAs and, nothing much. After about

> two months, I added one, then two, EPAs and thought I saw some

> improvements including increased pointing, more babbling, etc.

>

> About three weeks ago, I upped the EPA to 3 capsules and, well,

we've

> had a really noticeable spurt in word approximations and clarity of

> words as well as BRAND NEW sounds we've never heard before. He

started

> using " f " (wow) and now asks me for " fuh fries " when he's hungry. He

> used to use mostly " neutral " vowel sounds (uh) so, bear, bus, beans,

> etc. all sounded the same (ie, buh). He's gained dipthongs (/ai/ as

in

> hi! and bye; /ei/ as in say, hey; and /oi/ as in boy). This is not

> just my imagination either as his teacher, both the school SLP and

OT

> as well as his ABA therapists have all noticed this big difference

in

> the last three weeks. I didn't ask anyone their opinions on his

> language; their comments were all offered spontaneously.

>

> I've done a fair bit of reading about this and there is *some*

> evidence to suggest that kids with ASD benefit from a higher ratio

of

> EPA to EFA. I can dig through my articles and post.

>

> My son just turned 5 and I was really beginning to wonder if we'd

ever

> get much more language out of him as his progress was painfully,

> painfully slow. I now feel a lot more optimistic and am looking

> forward to hearing more of what he has to say.

>

> If you have a child with apraxia and ASD, don't give up. The

formula I

> used may not be right for everyone but if you *methodically*

> experiment with dosages, you might just come up with a dosage that

> works for your child. FYI, I didn't change anything else in his

biomed

> regime during this time as I was focused on figuring out the oils

(and

> also I can't keep up with all the costs of DAN!) so, I'm pretty sure

> the changes are due to this fish oil ratio.

>

>

>

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Hi Penny,

I belong to a local (SF Bay area) group of parents that are using

biomed to help their children. It works out really well as many of us

share the same doctors, etc. If you are in the Bay Area, I can give

you the name of the group.

I did belong to other " DAN " or biomed type groups but I just couldn't

keep up with the volume of email!

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Dan stands for defeat autism now. Not all that practice dan are

medical doctors, and even if they are not all have a background in

pediatric medicine. It's not that everyone here uses it or even

believes in more extreme biomedical, but those that do talk about it

often. It's good to be aware of the more complex and expensive

methods if the basic methods that work for the majority don't work for

your child. Basic methods meaning appropriate therapy and fish oils.

Have you read The Late Talker book?

As far as the product you brought up -my advice; please look up the word

hypovitaminosis and share the dosage of vitamin E and vitamin K with

your child's doctor prior to starting it. In addition I'd share the

feedback from this group with your child's doctor as well.

(link below -if you can't open let us know)

In my opinion I'd avoid that product and wish someone gave me that

advise prior to putting my son on it. Sadly it appears to me that

there is no way to know if your child will be one of the children that

will have a severe negative reaction...until they do. One of our

members here, , her daughter Evoni who was seizure free prior to

this product is still being investigated. Since being on this product

she has continued to regress and there are a huge amount of tests and

experts still looking into why she continues to have seizures since.

's reports on Evoni as well as mine and many others are in the

links below. Learn the easy way and read the feedback first. To me

this product is a lesson in why not to take things to the extreme when

the basic was working just fine. So again -please read up on the less fancy

-but very effective and proven through the years basics.

/links/Pharma_Omega_Spea\

k_reports_from_group_001224703760/

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Thanks for the advice.  That is alarming news.  I had read that few children

suffer negative consequences from taking SPEAK, but thought that they were in

the minority but from reading some of the stuff on here, I'm thinking maybe

not.  I did have my son's pediatrician look it over and he thought itlooked

fine.  What supplement is safe with not asmany side affects and with positive

results?  My son has started talking more but I wanted to help him with

supplements as well.  I thought it couldn't hurt to try his speech is still

unintelligible about half  of the time.  I have read The Late Talker book I know

it suggested Efalex, is that safe?  Please let  me know!!

 

Thanks so much,

Tina

From: kiddietalk <kiddietalk@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: recent successes with fish oil dosage for

kiddo with apraxia & autism

Date: Saturday, February 14, 2009, 10:45 PM

Dan stands for defeat autism now. Not all that practice dan are

medical doctors, and even if they are not all have a background in

pediatric medicine. It's not that everyone here uses it or even

believes in more extreme biomedical, but those that do talk about it

often. It's good to be aware of the more complex and expensive

methods if the basic methods that work for the majority don't work for

your child. Basic methods meaning appropriate therapy and fish oils.

Have you read The Late Talker book?

As far as the product you brought up -my advice; please look up the word

hypovitaminosis and share the dosage of vitamin E and vitamin K with

your child's doctor prior to starting it. In addition I'd share the

feedback from this group with your child's doctor as well.

(link below -if you can't open let us know)

In my opinion I'd avoid that product and wish someone gave me that

advise prior to putting my son on it. Sadly it appears to me that

there is no way to know if your child will be one of the children that

will have a severe negative reaction...until they do. One of our

members here, , her daughter Evoni who was seizure free prior to

this product is still being investigated. Since being on this product

she has continued to regress and there are a huge amount of tests and

experts still looking into why she continues to have seizures since.

's reports on Evoni as well as mine and many others are in the

links below. Learn the easy way and read the feedback first. To me

this product is a lesson in why not to take things to the extreme when

the basic was working just fine. So again -please read up on the less fancy -but

very effective and proven through the years basics.

/links/Pharma_Omega_Spea\

k_reports_from_group_001224703760/

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Thanks Janice! I know that not everyone on this group wants to go

there (and boy, do I wish we didn't need to either!), but just like

fish oils were revolutionary in their time (still are), there are so

many options to pursue that are as amazing.

These interventions benefit the sensory integration and speech

articulation issues of apraxia, and aren't just for autistic kids.

We are in a place, as so many families are today, to explore these

interventions and benefit from them.

Penny

http://twoplusoneequalsfive.blogspot.com/

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Greetings,

We have a cute 34 month-old girl that was diagnosed with FTT at about one year.

Then hypotonia, but no underlying DX. She suffers from reflux. Delayed walking

and speech. Genetic testing and MRI are normal. Now her docs are thinking some

type of metabolic disease, but say it will be very hard to pin-point. She's

been doing ST, OT, & PT since 12 months. Recently the ST suggested NourishLife

Speak.

I've read some of the cautions regarding that product above, but it seems fish

oils are beneficial. We had her one them off and on, but didn't notice any

changes. Perhaps she was too young.

Can anyone point us to a good starting dosage for Omega -3, Vit. E, etc. Does

anyone here supplement with Acetyl-L-Carnatine?

Finally, anyone in the San Diego Area that might have some advice on docs and/or

alternative therapies?

Thanks!

Emi's Dad

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Hi,

I think UC has a great reputation and probably is not too far away from

San Diego.

http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/neurology/

Also, if you suspect that you daughter has autism, the DAN doctor's HQ is in San

Diego and they have list of DAN doctors that you can try to find in your area:

http://www.autism.com/

Many of those DAN doctors are also pediatricians with MDs.  Unlike traditional

doctors, they have an more open mind towards alternative medicine. 

My wife just took my daughter to see a Dr. at CHOP Autism institute.  Again the

Dr. only wants to prescribe regular medicine, tenex, for reducing her

hyperactivity and self-injury behavior.  The only supplement that most

mainstream neurologists and developmental pediatrician would endorse seems to be

fish oil.  For them, the results of all other supplements have not been

substantiated by strict scientific research based on placebo comparative test on

large patient population.

Good luck.

Xun

From: KaiK <kotora8@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: recent successes with fish oil dosage for

kiddo with apraxia & autism

Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 12:14 PM

 

Greetings,

We have a cute 34 month-old girl that was diagnosed with FTT at about one year.

Then hypotonia, but no underlying DX. She suffers from reflux. Delayed walking

and speech. Genetic testing and MRI are normal. Now her docs are thinking some

type of metabolic disease, but say it will be very hard to pin-point. She's

been doing ST, OT, & PT since 12 months. Recently the ST suggested NourishLife

Speak.

I've read some of the cautions regarding that product above, but it seems fish

oils are beneficial. We had her one them off and on, but didn't notice any

changes. Perhaps she was too young.

Can anyone point us to a good starting dosage for Omega -3, Vit. E, etc. Does

anyone here supplement with Acetyl-L-Carnatine?

Finally, anyone in the San Diego Area that might have some advice on docs and/or

alternative therapies?

Thanks!

Emi's Dad

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I did not give the right web address for Mind Institute.  Here it is

http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/mindinstitute/

From: KaiK <kotora8 (DOT) com>

Subject: [childrensapraxiane t] Re: recent successes with fish oil dosage for

kiddo with apraxia & autism

@groups. com

Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 12:14 PM

 

Greetings,

We have a cute 34 month-old girl that was diagnosed with FTT at about one year.

Then hypotonia, but no underlying DX. She suffers from reflux. Delayed walking

and speech. Genetic testing and MRI are normal. Now her docs are thinking some

type of metabolic disease, but say it will be very hard to pin-point. She's

been doing ST, OT, & PT since 12 months. Recently the ST suggested NourishLife

Speak.

I've read some of the cautions regarding that product above, but it seems fish

oils are beneficial. We had her one them off and on, but didn't notice any

changes. Perhaps she was too young.

Can anyone point us to a good starting dosage for Omega -3, Vit. E, etc. Does

anyone here supplement with Acetyl-L-Carnatine?

Finally, anyone in the San Diego Area that might have some advice on docs and/or

alternative therapies?

Thanks!

Emi's Dad

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Greetings!

There is a wealth of archived information on fish oils here on this page

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=115029735601 & topic=7401

We also have a chapter about it in The Late Talker book -and after reading the

above link you have any specific questions just let me know. This is what we

are raising monies for the end the ignorance once and for all!

We have used fish oils -just plain old fish oils with higher EPA to DHA a bit of

GLA -small amount with HUGE success for over a decade- no side effects.

Fish oils contain vitamin e -so you don't necessarily need to supplement higher

and here is what I can share on that.

With what I know now about the meta-analysis of vitamin e on median, 400 IU I

think it was for an increase in sudden death in adults -keep in mind children

are different dosage than adults -and that was the average dosage most of us

'were' using (eeeeeek)

Meta-Analysis: High-Dosage Vitamin E Supplementation May Increase All-Cause

Mortality

http://annals.highwire.org/content/142/1/37.abstract

-I'd think very carefully about putting a child onto daily vitamin e capsules

unless it was under a medical doctor's care who knows your child has this type

of deficiency which is rare. I wish I knew to look into this prior- never will

I let my guard down again. I don't just check and double check =I go outside

the box to check and I suggest to all of you to do the very same. I wish

someone shared the word " hypervitaminosis " with me too!!!

I can check my excel spreadsheet but based on memory I believe most of us used

the vitamin e based on one person's theory -and not because our children tested

low in vitamin e -and that theory was Dr. 's who is the one that

worked with her hospital to patent the formula that is now licensed by Pharma

Omega for Speak from what I remember. In my opinion we all followed this at the

time because we trusted Dr. and as a group got to know her and I

was if you check the archives the first to share via Dr. and try the

vitamin e. many of us did see surges initially on the lower dosage of vitamin E

even which could be explained because of the study that high dosages of fish

oils over a period of time 'can' create a vitamin e deficiency. However that

study does not answer the basic question...how often would one need to

supplement? Once a year? Once a month? And it didn't answer the question of

what dosage? would they be thinking 3x upper tolerable level? I highly doubt

that!!! Please keep in mind that each capsule of ProEFA contains 15 IU raised

up from 8 IU of vitamin e due to the study I just referred to -I'm sure much

more on the links I provide below.

About speak you may want to read the following messages:

Intro message from Lori Rosen

Message that explains the reason she's compiled all the reports from the

group

/message/85028

Negative reports on Speak

/message/85030

Neutral reports on Speak

/message/85029

Positive reports on Speak

/message/85031

It is possible that your SLP recommended speak because like the one SLP who just

posted she was not aware of the dramatic side effects reported in this group as

you can read above from this supplements which in my opinion the company has

greatly tried to downplay -but have been picked up by others. You can find info

as well on this page

including the following article written by an SLP:

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Speech-Disorders-987/2008/11/New-patented-product-ava\

ilable.htm

Expert: Rossetter, M.S., CCC-SLP - 11/19/2008

Question

Hi, I have been doing some research and have come across a new product that is

now available for speech disorders. The company is offering a box complimentary

to anyone that has a child that could benefit from it. The product is called

speak and it is offered at www.speechnutrients.com. What is your opinion on this

product? THank you, Judy

Answer

Thank you for the question, Judy. (Sorry for the delay in answering your

question. I have been ill for the past few days.)

I'm so glad you asked about this product before giving it to your child.

I will begin by saying that I am obviously not a physician, and I do not have

first-hand experience with this product, but I do have a general knowledge of

nutrition, as well as research design.

Having read through the SpeechNutrientsâ„¢ website, I have found some reasons I

would not personally use or recommend this product.

1.) While it is true that research has shown a benefit for taking Omega-3 fatty

acids, this company has mixed Omega-3 fatty acids with Vitamins E and K in VERY

large quantities. The ingredients (fish oil, vitamin K, vitamin E, etc.) in

speakâ„¢ are all generally known to be of benefit to humans, but there are no

studies to show that exceeding recommended daily values in such large quantities

is even safe—much less beneficial. Not to mention, there are no studies to show

that these ingredients in such large quantities don't have adverse interactions

with each other.

According to the product's chart, the recommended dose of 4 capsules per day (2

capsules twice per day) has children under 4 taking 10,000% of the recommended

daily allowance of vitamin E (according to their information, no allowance has

been set for children under 4). People aged 4 and over would be taking 3,330 %

of vitamin E and 5,750 % of vitamin K. Since they are vitamins, the doses are

not as regulated as medication, so 40 pound 4-year-olds are lumped in the same

category as 250 pound, 40-year-old men.

Daily allowances are set for a reason… It's never a good idea to take too much

of any vitamin. The research I have in front of me (1) says, " vitamin E has been

thought to raise blood pressure… large doses of vitamin E may have a mild

immune-suppressing effect. " " High intakes of vitamin E oil can cause nausea,

diarrhea, or flatulence in some people. " " Vitamin K is necessary for normal

blood clotting. " This product's web page states: " Physically, some children (and

some adults) may experience loose stools… " –but they don't say why. Obviously,

it is because this is a very large dose of vitamin E.

Nausea, diarrhea, etc. are the least of the side effects associated with this

product.

It is very concerning that this is the list of side effects listed on the

website: " elevated heart beat, fever, possible seizures, headaches, emotional

outbursts and regressions in speech and behaviors. " The makers of this product

report they, " do not know if any of these incidents are or are not a result of

taking speakâ„¢. " This is because, as far as I can tell, the research has not been

conducted.

2.) The makers of speakâ„¢ report, " Our initial intention was to create this

formula for use in upcoming clinical trial research. However, during the process

of collaboration, formulation, and observation and understanding the importance

of timing, it became clear that the most responsible action we could take was to

make this formula available to the public. "

They intended to do research? They thought it was responsible to make this

product available before they conducted the necessary research? In the

scientific community, this is not the way to go about responsibly distributing a

product--- especially a product meant for children. Optimally, research is done

to ensure safety and effectiveness, then the product is released for the public.

It is important to mention: anyone can get a patent for anything that is

novel—this does not mean that studies have been conducted in any way.

And since this product is only considered a " supplement, " the FDA does not play

a part in regulating the safety or efficacy. The FDA website (2) says, " By law

(DSHEA), the manufacturer is responsible for ensuring that its dietary

supplement products are safe before they are marketed. Unlike drug products that

must be proven safe and effective for their intended use before marketing, there

are no provisions in the law for FDA to " approve " dietary supplements for safety

or effectiveness before they reach the consumer. "

Normally, products claiming this type of success should have scientific-based

evidence for findings. The makers of speakâ„¢ report that they are in the process

of conducting a " Virtual Focus Group " where parents keep a diary and report

every couple of weeks. This is not the optimum way of going about conducting

research.

In order for the company to make the claims they do, they would need a speech

and language professional, with an unbiased opinion, to test the child's speech

and language before, during, and after taking the product… otherwise, how can

they claim it increases and improves these things? Additionally, a study of this

nature –one where children ingest untested products—should involve regular

check-ups from a physician to closely monitor adverse physical side effects.

As far as I can tell from the information they provided on their website, the

makers of speakâ„¢ have provided no data in these regards for this particular

formula.

This opinion is based on the information given on the SpeechNutrientsâ„¢ website,

documented nutrition research, and my knowledge of research design. As I

mentioned earlier, I do not have first-hand experience with this product. As

always, you should speak with your child's physician before beginning, ending,

or dismissing a supplementation regiment. If you have concerns about your

child's speech and language development, I recommend you seek an evaluation by a

Speech-Language Pathologist.

I hope this was of some help to you.

(1) Haas EM (1992) Staying Healthy with Nutrition: The Complete Guide to Diet

and Nutritional Medication. Celestial Arts, Berkley, California.

(2) U. S. Food and Drug Administration, Center for Food Safety and Applied

Nutrition, Overview of Dietary Supplements.

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/ds-oview.html#safe

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