Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 my son seemed to have regressed from two days, he has been on fish oil , vitamin E, phospholine from over a year and Cod liver oil,piracetum and glutonine from one month, He has seemed to regress socially, and need prompts to respond when his name is called. I have never seen this happen to him in the past, he was gaining steady progress . I have been testing him to see if he has lost words , he has not , but the speech is not clear and the eye contact is not their. please advise , if some one has gone through this phase. thanks, roopa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Hi Roopa: Below is an archive message that wrote for causes of regressions that she has seen in her son ph. In my house, my son will get slurry speech when he is getting sick. I can usually tell when he is getting sick before he even mentions feeling yuck. HTH, Tina --------------------Beginning of archive-------------------- One reassuring thing we have found is that the set-backs are all reversible, at least in ph. Causes of set-backs/regressions in my experience: 1. Fish oil gone bad. If old, left out of the fridge, top off the liquid or heated (ie left in hot closet...even the pills)...the fish oil oxidizes and is pretty much toxic, depleting your body of antioxidants (particularly vit E)...to detoxify it. Start a fresh bottle. 2. Illnesses - simple colds and otherwise benign viruses seem to induce regression that is temporary. (suspect that like triggering asthma...the viral illnesses are triggering enough inflammation to effect the apraxia symptoms). 3. Not getting in or taking the supplements...like when he is sick or with stomach flu...vomiting and not keeping anything down. No supplements = regressions in our house. Or if doses were skipped for some reason (ie babysitter forgot etc). 4. Exposures to allergens - eating the foods he is allergic to. We have seen this so many times that I am now 100% sure it is a trigger for neurological symptoms...at least in my boys. In addition to gluten and milk, ph has a now documented yeast/mold allergy (skin test positive, confirms his penacillin allergy that we knew about from an antibiotic reaction too, but also tested positive to baker's yeast (so no baked goods with yeast or fermented items)...but also some supplements like selenium, and vit B complex are made from yeast...so if you have a true yeast allergy...you will react. Lipase is made from aspergillus (a mold)...again will induce an allergic reaction in those allergic to aspergillus. Yeast ingestion was the cause of the regression back in Sept...not only did he have a cold, but I started baking bread with the new bread-maker that had a gluten- free cycle. We did not regain the losses until he was started on nystatin (an antifungal - started for thrush he had from his inhaled steroid asthma medicines). (But I was continuing to give him bread and expose him to yeast). The antifungal was not treating " toxic yeast " as much as it was helping decrease the burden of an allergen in a truly yeast-allergic child. Unfortunately mold and yeast is everywhere. But it can be avoided in foods, and that has make a huge difference. 5. Starting supplements that are made from molds or yeast : lipase, selenium - induced BAD regressions that I only now understand after figuring out the yeast allergy, and then investigating the manufacturing of every supplement he had an adverse reaction to. 6. Weaning his asthma medicines caused regressions. So seems that the anti-inflammatory effects of Jospeh's asthma medicines were helping his apraxia. Makes sense if there is an allergic link to the cascade of inflammation in kids like ph. ph lost significant amount of speech when we took him off his inhaled steroids...regained losses and had a huge surge when we started him on singulaire...a different form of asthma med. Fish oil also has anti-inflammatory effects. Perhaps this is one way it is helping our kids. Vit E is a potent antioxidant. At least in our case...the root of the apraxia keeps pointing back to allergic disease and inflammation of the gut. In children with multiple food allergies...would make sense that a casein-gluten free diet would help. Every child is different...but if there is a regression in an apraxic child, there is likely an explanation. Have you changed brands of vitamins/fish oil or vit E? Not all are the same, even if the labels look like they should be the same. You need to be a detective to figure it out. - > > my son seemed to have regressed from two days, he has been on fish oil , vitamin E, phospholine from over a year and Cod liver oil,piracetum and glutonine from one month, He has seemed to regress socially, and need prompts to respond when his name is called. I have never seen this happen to him in the past, he was gaining steady progress . I have been testing him to see if he has lost words , he has not , but the speech is not clear and the eye contact is not their. please advise , if some one has gone through this phase. > > thanks, > roopa > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 For us, we get regressions with food issues and sometimes new vitamins that are not being well tolerated. So.... my quick 'healing' with regards to regressions is this (I have it down to a science).... We use the following: - Tri Salts: These are sodium bicarbonates and they work extremely well. They are not expensive and last a long time. We never travel without them as MSG in restaurant food literally 'contaminates' my son's system! - Epsom Salts bathes - Whenever Mark is regressing, he gets an epsom salts bath every night until it is gone. - No starchy carbohydrates or processed sugar of any kind. We completely pull the carbs and eat extremely 'clean'. No processed foods. We will eat meat, veggies, fruit until his system is cleared. Our regressions used to last for weeks and they were extremely depressing. Now, I can get through them in one night! If he comes home after school regressing with slurred speech, I have him drink a glass of distilled water mixed with 1 tsp of Tri Salts. We then have a really zero starch dinner and I will drizzle olive oil or walnut oil 'slightly' on his food just to add some extra good fats. Omega 3 is a wonderful anti-inflamatory so it really helps. Then that night he has a nice epsom salts bath and in the morning, he is generally 'cleared' any type of item that he is sensitive to. On the rare occasion he has not, we will do this regime daily until he has..... it works very, very well. Janice Mother of Mark, 14 [ ] Re: Regression Hi Roopa: Below is an archive message that wrote for causes of regressions that she has seen in her son ph. In my house, my son will get slurry speech when he is getting sick. I can usually tell when he is getting sick before he even mentions feeling yuck. HTH, Tina --------------------Beginning of archive-------------------- One reassuring thing we have found is that the set-backs are all reversible, at least in ph. Causes of set-backs/regressions in my experience: 1. Fish oil gone bad. If old, left out of the fridge, top off the liquid or heated (ie left in hot closet...even the pills)...the fish oil oxidizes and is pretty much toxic, depleting your body of antioxidants (particularly vit E)...to detoxify it. Start a fresh bottle. 2. Illnesses - simple colds and otherwise benign viruses seem to induce regression that is temporary. (suspect that like triggering asthma...the viral illnesses are triggering enough inflammation to effect the apraxia symptoms). 3. Not getting in or taking the supplements...like when he is sick or with stomach flu...vomiting and not keeping anything down. No supplements = regressions in our house. Or if doses were skipped for some reason (ie babysitter forgot etc). 4. Exposures to allergens - eating the foods he is allergic to. We have seen this so many times that I am now 100% sure it is a trigger for neurological symptoms...at least in my boys. In addition to gluten and milk, ph has a now documented yeast/mold allergy (skin test positive, confirms his penacillin allergy that we knew about from an antibiotic reaction too, but also tested positive to baker's yeast (so no baked goods with yeast or fermented items)...but also some supplements like selenium, and vit B complex are made from yeast...so if you have a true yeast allergy...you will react. Lipase is made from aspergillus (a mold)...again will induce an allergic reaction in those allergic to aspergillus. Yeast ingestion was the cause of the regression back in Sept...not only did he have a cold, but I started baking bread with the new bread-maker that had a gluten- free cycle. We did not regain the losses until he was started on nystatin (an antifungal - started for thrush he had from his inhaled steroid asthma medicines). (But I was continuing to give him bread and expose him to yeast). The antifungal was not treating " toxic yeast " as much as it was helping decrease the burden of an allergen in a truly yeast-allergic child. Unfortunately mold and yeast is everywhere. But it can be avoided in foods, and that has make a huge difference. 5. Starting supplements that are made from molds or yeast : lipase, selenium - induced BAD regressions that I only now understand after figuring out the yeast allergy, and then investigating the manufacturing of every supplement he had an adverse reaction to. 6. Weaning his asthma medicines caused regressions. So seems that the anti-inflammatory effects of Jospeh's asthma medicines were helping his apraxia. Makes sense if there is an allergic link to the cascade of inflammation in kids like ph. ph lost significant amount of speech when we took him off his inhaled steroids...regained losses and had a huge surge when we started him on singulaire...a different form of asthma med. Fish oil also has anti-inflammatory effects. Perhaps this is one way it is helping our kids. Vit E is a potent antioxidant. At least in our case...the root of the apraxia keeps pointing back to allergic disease and inflammation of the gut. In children with multiple food allergies...would make sense that a casein-gluten free diet would help. Every child is different...but if there is a regression in an apraxic child, there is likely an explanation. Have you changed brands of vitamins/fish oil or vit E? Not all are the same, even if the labels look like they should be the same. You need to be a detective to figure it out. - > > my son seemed to have regressed from two days, he has been on fish oil , vitamin E, phospholine from over a year and Cod liver oil,piracetum and glutonine from one month, He has seemed to regress socially, and need prompts to respond when his name is called. I have never seen this happen to him in the past, he was gaining steady progress . I have been testing him to see if he has lost words , he has not , but the speech is not clear and the eye contact is not their. please advise , if some one has gone through this phase. > > thanks, > roopa > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Hasn't she had some very bad constipation? Maybe some of the toxins the DMSA released are redistributing since she hasn't been able to poop them out? > > there was real regression after the last round of DMSA. she looks just as bad as she did when i started all of the rounds. anyone ever experience this? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 > > there was real regression after the last round of DMSA. Are you sure that it was regression? Regression is quite serious and lasts long term. Side effects are different from regression. Side effects are common after a round of chelation. Side effects can last for a day or longer, like a couple of weeks. If the side effects are intense or lasting too long then the dose of chelator is too high. > she looks just as bad as she did when i started all of the rounds. anyone ever experience this? > More detail is needed. What dose are you using; what timing; what is her weight; how many rounds so far? What support supplements are you giving, and at what doses? What exactly do you mean by regression? What were the symptoms? Are the symptoms getting any better? J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Not with chelation per se. My anecdotal observation has been that " regression " -- going back to an earlier point of development -- is a necessary step to move forward. The way I think of this is that after the crud has been removed from the system, the person needs to go back to the point before this happened to them and " grow up " all over again. But, as someone else said, you would need to provide a great deal more detail before anyone could give you much in the way of meaningful feedback. Michele http://www.healthgazelle.com http://www.kidslikemine.com http://www.solanorail.com > > there was real regression after the last round of DMSA. she looks just as bad as she did when i started all of the rounds. anyone ever experience this? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 yea, and it seems the only way i can get them out according to the doctor is use miralax. and i have read that its poison. they looked at the xray and they said they see poop in there but no obstructioin. she goes on 3 weeks without pooping, then i have to give enema. how do you tell if it is just impaction or is it an obstruction. would the emergency room have know if there was an obstruction by the xray? On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:42 PM, khieken wrote: > Hasn't she had some very bad constipation? Maybe some of the toxins the DMSA released are redistributing since she hasn't been able to poop them out? > > > > > > there was real regression after the last round of DMSA. she looks just as bad as she did when i started all of the rounds. anyone ever experience this? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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