Guest guest Posted December 14, 1999 Report Share Posted December 14, 1999 At 11:24 PM 13/12/1999 -0500, you wrote: >From: " A. Hannah " <ahannah@...> > > >Hi.. I'm just wondering... what is considered " normal " for bowel movements >per day? Normal for me is 2 per day, sometimes 3. I am taking Experience (Awareness) to help me with this. Before Experience I was having 1 per day to 1 in 2 days. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 1999 Report Share Posted December 14, 1999 The generally accepted rule of thumb is you should have as many bowel movements per day as meals (usually within 30-60 minutes), plus one, first thing in the morning upon arising. The Homozon can definitely have a laxative effect, so be careful. It can also give you lots of energy, so it is best not taken immediately before bed. Bowel movements > From: " A. Hannah " <ahannah@...> > > > Hi.. I'm just wondering... what is considered " normal " for bowel movements > per day? > > I usually have one per day, in the morning, shortly after awakening. Is this > normal, or should I be having more? > > As for eating, I usually snack in the morning, have a light lunch, and then > eat dinner when my wife gets home. > > I'm just wondering if there's an opinion on how many b.m.'s one should have, > or does it vary from person to person? > > Also, I just got some Homozon... would it be best to take this at night > before bed, or in the morning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 1999 Report Share Posted December 14, 1999 At 10:53 AM 14/12/1999 -0500, you wrote: >From: " Marcus " <cmarcus@...> > >The generally accepted rule of thumb is you should have as many bowel >movements per day as meals (usually within 30-60 minutes), plus one, first >thing in the morning upon arising. I have not heard of the " plus one " . Who, where does this come from? Thanks. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 1999 Report Share Posted December 14, 1999 Off the top of my head, I believe Bernard Jensen, Bragg and pretty much any of the other bowel cleansing info I have read. Re: Bowel movements > From: Bob Stirling <gdraft@...> > > At 10:53 AM 14/12/1999 -0500, you wrote: > >From: " Marcus " <cmarcus@...> > > > >The generally accepted rule of thumb is you should have as many bowel > >movements per day as meals (usually within 30-60 minutes), plus one, first > >thing in the morning upon arising. > > I have not heard of the " plus one " . Who, where does this come from? Thanks. > > Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 1999 Report Share Posted December 17, 1999 In a message dated 12/14/99 15:54:39, cmarcus@... writes: << The Homozon can definitely have a laxative effect, >> What, if you please, is Homozon? Robin G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 hi my son was diagnosed with verbal and oral apraxia by Dr Agin. ever since i can remember he has had very mushy BM (he is now 2 years 9 months). they are rarely formed. He is very consistent, 1X/day and never complains of stomach pain. He does presents with anxiety at times. Do you think his stool warrants further testing? his pediatrican doesnt seem to. she said its better than constipation and probably is not a sign of allergy. i was wondering if anyone else has experienced this. thanks alot pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 We had similar deal with kid#1. Her stools were regular though not always formed and lighter in color. It was a metabolic issue. > > hi > my son was diagnosed with verbal and oral apraxia by Dr Agin. ever since > i can remember he has had very mushy BM (he is now 2 years 9 months). they > are rarely formed. He is very consistent, 1X/day and never complains of > stomach pain. He does presents with anxiety at times. Do you think his > stool warrants further testing? his pediatrican doesnt seem to. she said > its better than constipation and probably is not a sign of allergy. i was > wondering if anyone else has experienced this. > thanks alot > pam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 I don't think that there are many of us who 'haven't' experienced this. It is a common issue and one that can be individual for each child. There is a lot of literature that suggests the opinion, " heal the gut(intestines), heal the child " . I remember when my son was little and I was told that " all children with neurodevelopmental issues have imature digestive system; don't worry, he'll grow out of it " . Of course, my son didn't grow out of it and 8 years later when he was 11, I was told to take him off all milk products. This indeed took care of the diarrhea, helped his speech, improved his balance and cleared up his ears. There are many on this site and others whose children do not touch milk products. There are many on this site and others whose children do not touch gluten products. Each child is individual and any time you have issues with the poop, you should definately look to the diet and work with the diet to get your son to the point of developing well-formed stools. This can take many individual routes..... since your child is indeed an individual. Can you possibly pinpoint a definate time period when this started? Did it start with the introduction of milk, of wheat products or of solids in general? Look to your child's history to give some clues in this area. I worry about how many years my son had terrible issues with his intestines and I can only pray that we have caught it in time so that he does not contract colitis or crohns disease or IBD down the road. Good luck. Janice Mother of Mark, 13 [sPAM][ ] bowel movements hi my son was diagnosed with verbal and oral apraxia by Dr Agin. ever since i can remember he has had very mushy BM (he is now 2 years 9 months). they are rarely formed. He is very consistent, 1X/day and never complains of stomach pain. He does presents with anxiety at times. Do you think his stool warrants further testing? his pediatrican doesnt seem to. she said its better than constipation and probably is not a sign of allergy. i was wondering if anyone else has experienced this. thanks alot pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Yep, Liz is right. Allergies and food intolerances are very different. Regular pediatrician and doctors are not trained in holistic integrative approaches and know nothing about food intolerances and very little about allergies--other than the very obvious rush to the hospital symptoms or not gaining any weight and wasting away etc., They do not know absorption and how our bodies really work. Yes, they all go to medical school, but they learn a mechanistic approach to human physiology, and unfortunately very few keep up with cutting edge research, especially in neuroscience, epigentics, and the like. All of that is now validating what holistic health car practitioners have been saying forever., Our immune system is mostly in our gut. It's the gateway to the rest of our body and organs. What happens at cellular level there, influences what happens at cellular level in the rest of our body and especially our brain. Chronic neuro degenerative disease and many developmental disorders are linked to absorption problems and metabolic processing deficits. But most doctors refuse to connect developmental disorders with nutritional problems and malabsorption or food intolerances.  They are not trained to do so and don't go there. Severe wasting away or allergic reactions is pretty much all they recognize. The link between leaky gut, skin eczemas, neurological and immune system impairment and diet is something they are NEVER taught and most do not believe in. They all know you can eat something that doesn't agree with you and get a rash, but that's where it stops, they just don't get the complexities and all the implications. So there's no point in going to them if you suspect a food intolerance and therefore believe all this might in fact be real in spite of what mainstream clinical practice says. Given the high rate of metabolic disorders that seem to impact speech, language processing, neurological functioning etc. in the absence of the more severe symptoms recognized by mainstream clinical practice--like muscle tissue wasting away, intestinal vili flattening out completly etc., I would suggest you find a good integrative /biomed pediatrician and see what they suggest you e started on. There are stool tests, urine tests, blood tests that can tell you a lot about your child's functioning, possible bacterial, viral, parasitic infections and toxins and food intolerances. If all checks out fine then you can relax, but with apraxia in the mix, I'd be surprised. Regardless of what the initial causes of the problem are, somehow the malabsorptions are always creeping in and the fact that so many of the apraxic kids from this list improve on fish oil and vitamin E proves this. it works because they are deficient, therefore malabsorbing in some shape and form and more investigation is warranted even if your child does improve on this simple protocol because much more could be wrong, and perhaps more gains can be made by eliminating those hurdles. I was giving my daughter fish oil in generous amounts since birth but she was deficient. She was not absorbing the Omega 3 as she was not absorbing the B12 and so many other vital brain nutrients. Why do you think the fish oil helps these kids? They are not absorbing, it doesn't transmit well at cellular level, there is an obvious metabolic problem... My daughter had no real digestive symptoms per se, just occasional undigested food showing, but since her diet and supplements have been implemented and are actually constantly being tweaked as needed, she's a completly different child in just a few months,. Before that the PROMPT just didn't make words stick, her behavior was very difficult and she had low tolerance for adult directed activities. What a different child I have now! So definitely the stool is the first place to investigate, but NOT your regular doctor, unless you want to be told the same thing over and over and not get anywhere. Good luck! -Elena--mom to Ziana -age 4, not severely apraxic anymore and still a happy and healthy child, but now speaking more and more each day and it is all due to appropriate PROMPT therapy, diet and nutritional supplements. From: ilizzy03 <lizlaw@...> Subject: [ ] Re: bowel movements Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 9:42 PM We had similar deal with kid#1. Her stools were regular though not always formed and lighter in color. It was a metabolic issue. > > hi > my son was diagnosed with verbal and oral apraxia by Dr Agin. ever since > i can remember he has had very mushy BM (he is now 2 years 9 months). they > are rarely formed. He is very consistent, 1X/day and never complains of > stomach pain. He does presents with anxiety at times. Do you think his > stool warrants further testing? his pediatrican doesnt seem to. she said > its better than constipation and probably is not a sign of allergy. i was > wondering if anyone else has experienced this. > thanks alot > pam > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 My daughter had loose bowel movements until she was 3 & 1/2.We saw a DAN doctor and he suggested the low oxalate diet(LOD).Within a week she was normal.I joined a group called Trying_Low_Oxalates . My whole family follows the diet and we all see health improvements from it. Elaine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 It sounds like gut problems to me - my son never had formed stools either - our DAN! doctor said if it's not formed, it's not normal. My son has major yeast problems. You should be using probiotics and seeing a DAN! practioner - unfortunately from my experience, a mainstream doctor will be of no help to you. > > hi > my son was diagnosed with verbal and oral apraxia by Dr Agin. ever since > i can remember he has had very mushy BM (he is now 2 years 9 months). they > are rarely formed. He is very consistent, 1X/day and never complains of > stomach pain. He does presents with anxiety at times. Do you think his > stool warrants further testing? his pediatrican doesnt seem to. she said > its better than constipation and probably is not a sign of allergy. i was > wondering if anyone else has experienced this. > thanks alot > pam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 thank you everyone for your suggestions and advice. now can anyone recommend a DAN! or nutritonist in the NY area who can help me????? On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 11:51 AM, ckrupa3672 <ckrupa3672@...> wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Dorfman website: www.kellydorfman.com does telephone consults. Booking late Oct > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 can you please explain more to me about this diet? thanks pam On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:32 AM, Elaine <brickpill@...> wrote: > My daughter had loose bowel movements until she was 3 & 1/2.We saw a DAN > doctor and he suggested the low oxalate diet(LOD).Within a week she > was normal.I joined a group called > Trying_Low_Oxalates <Trying_Low_Oxalates%40>. > My whole family follows the diet > and we all see health improvements from it. > Elaine > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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