Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Dana, We did pleoptics for about 3 months and I never had such issues.... but then Mark is older and knew that he needed it. Check your equipment. Is the flashlight the right size? Are you ensuring that the penny shadow completely covers the macula of the eye? It sounds almost as though you are not getting in there close enough so that the penny covers the entire inside of the eye. But he is definately being stimulated..... so maybe that is a good thing. I would do more then email.... I would put a call into Alison and get her take on what is going on. You will find that your child does get cranky after a while (try doing therapy for 11 years....) Therapy is therapy is therapy. We try to disguise it as playtime but they soon 'sniff' it out and figure out our plan! Of course, with Mark, though he will try to get out of it.... he is now better and so really is motivated to finish it all off. I see him being done by the summer time if I can keep my act together.... of course, I have been thwarted before in finishing off dyspraxia! Pretty tough for 3 year olds to be motivated to get better! You have to experience bullying in the school system for that kind of motivation! Of course, the point is to heal your boys BEFORE so they never have to experience that kind of pain. And, of course.... you have two to gang up on you and start a revolution against poor mom! No fair.... Call Alison and get her advise. Janice [sPAM][ ] NACD ? Anyone use pleoptics? What if child does not cooperate? Question for NACD families. My two boys have been doing NACD for about a month. At the beginning they loved all of their programs except for deep pressure and fast walk. Now one boy is rolling his eyes all around during pleoptics. I thought the purpose of that was the aim the light over the pupils. Well his pupils are all over the place and he is pushing the flash light away. What is up with that? What do I do? He is also being cranky with some of the other programs. They say it has to be fun or don't do it. I plan to e-mail our contact person but thought I would also get some hands on help from families doing similar programs especially the pleoptics. Thanks, Dana and Garrett, 3 years old SCD 1 1/2 years!!!!! Celiac, ASD, Speech and Motor Apraxia, sensory processing disorder __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Both my boys always LOVED their therapists. Dakota was upset when we stopped therapy for him and asked why he couldn't go back. (Tanner's still in therapy here and there at 11 -still likes it) Also not all children with speech impairments are teased. We all fear they will be of course -I know I did. I would have thought we were just fortunate -but in speaking with many other " old timers " most like me have kids that were mainstreamed and not teased -no more than any other child that is. And if you want to get a nonverbal apraxic child up to speed -the best thing is to follow what has worked and is known to work. And it's not just that NACD and pleoptics isn't used by any more than just a handful (three parents here?) - if you search for pleoptics on an advanced search to bring up anything about it without the word NACD it's not clear how this helps an apraxic child unless they also have some vision issue? http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient & ie=UTF-8 & rlz=1T4ADBS_enUS237US23\ 8 & q=pleoptics+flashlight+%2dnacd It's not like any of us has to look for extra therapy. We had Tanner busy almost every day in therapy when he was three -but mainly speech, occupational -and some alternatives like cranial sacral. Lots were incorporated into his traditional therapy. If your child is 3 and not wanting to go to therapy -even if it's therapy that is known to be effective for apraxia- proceed with caution. Apraxic children have a long road of known to be much needed therapy in front of them -so you want them to be happy. Especially at 3! Look for proven speech and occupational therapy methods that have helped most of our children and seek out therapists that know how to work with preschool children. If Tanner or Dakota were in a bad mood -their therapists would reschedule the session. Think that happened twice. ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 , Pleoptics is indeed used for a visual issue. It is not to do with dyspraxia but it is used to retrain the eye and to stimulate central detail vision. For Mark it was used because he was hyper-peripheral and tended to look where he was going out of the sides of his eyes (using his peripheral vision rather than his central detailed vision). As you can imagine, this resulted in many bumps to the noggin, falls and trips as the boy was really not looking where he was going. Peripheral vision is simply not as effective as central detail vision! We stimulated his central detailed vision with pleoptics; did a crawling, creeping, marching, skipping program to rewire some of those dyspraxic neural pathways and 'ta da'..... better coordination overall and no more walking into parked cars! He also stopped getting lost all of the time as well. This was becoming a problem since he was 11 when we did those exercises. They worked like a charm. When you have global dyspraxia, you need to look at all of the senses and how they work together since this can be part of the problem. So, yes, pleoptics is a specialized solution for a unique (but not uncommon) problem. It is strictly related to vision. It does not have anything to do with apraxia of speech. Janice Mother of Mark, 13 [sPAM]Re:[ ] NACD ? Anyone use pleoptics? What if child does not cooperate? Both my boys always LOVED their therapists. Dakota was upset when we stopped therapy for him and asked why he couldn't go back. (Tanner's still in therapy here and there at 11 -still likes it) Also not all children with speech impairments are teased. We all fear they will be of course -I know I did. I would have thought we were just fortunate -but in speaking with many other " old timers " most like me have kids that were mainstreamed and not teased -no more than any other child that is. And if you want to get a nonverbal apraxic child up to speed -the best thing is to follow what has worked and is known to work. And it's not just that NACD and pleoptics isn't used by any more than just a handful (three parents here?) - if you search for pleoptics on an advanced search to bring up anything about it without the word NACD it's not clear how this helps an apraxic child unless they also have some vision issue? http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient & ie=UTF-8 & rlz=1T4ADBS_enUS237US23\ 8 & q=pleoptics+flashlight+%2dnacd It's not like any of us has to look for extra therapy. We had Tanner busy almost every day in therapy when he was three -but mainly speech, occupational -and some alternatives like cranial sacral. Lots were incorporated into his traditional therapy. If your child is 3 and not wanting to go to therapy -even if it's therapy that is known to be effective for apraxia- proceed with caution. Apraxic children have a long road of known to be much needed therapy in front of them -so you want them to be happy. Especially at 3! Look for proven speech and occupational therapy methods that have helped most of our children and seek out therapists that know how to work with preschool children. If Tanner or Dakota were in a bad mood -their therapists would reschedule the session. Think that happened twice. ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 I forget -- is this your first program, or have you had one or more re-evaluations? I find that with each subsequent program, we get new and revised activities that are most likely to be successful based on how things went in the early program. e.g. hated the fast walk (weird!), so we dropped it and are now practicing the cross march, which he likes a lot. We also have a pattern we follow. If the activity is difficult, he is a pain about it initially. Then he starts to improve and he gets enthusiastic about it, reaching his goal, etc. Close to re-evaluation, he gets bored with some of the repetitive activities. Hope that helps. (We don't do the pleoptics one.) in NJ > > Question for NACD families. My two boys have been doing NACD for about a month. At the beginning they loved all of their programs except for deep pressure and fast walk. Now one boy is rolling his eyes all around during pleoptics. I thought the purpose of that was the aim the light over the pupils. Well his pupils are all over the place and he is pushing the flash light away. What is up with that? What do I do? He is also being cranky with some of the other programs. They say it has to be fun or don't do it. I plan to e- mail our contact person but thought I would also get some hands on help from families doing similar programs especially the pleoptics. > > Thanks, > > > Dana > and Garrett, 3 years old SCD 1 1/2 years!!!!! > Celiac, ASD, Speech and Motor Apraxia, sensory processing disorder > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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