Re: echolalia/Lori and others in Ohio please help

[Guest guest]

Gretchen it's normal to be a bit panicked from time to time but don't

jump to diagnosis or you son will end up with a truckload by the time

he's in kindergarten -and trust me you don't want that! As you are

already aware and probably just need to be assured of it -there are

normal developmental stages all children go through -echolalia is one

of them. No echolalia does not auto mean autism!

You say your child was diagnosed with apraxia -in apraxia the

children tend to go through the stages a bit later -sometimes they

skip a stage early and then go through it later.

Children with motor planning impairments sometimes repeat back what

they heard -I never looked at it as echolalia -to me it was just

practice. I have to check the archives but it used to annoy my ADHD

son Dakota that my younger apraxic son Tanner would repeat what

Dakota said. Tanner did that quite often and more so with Dakota

than with me. I never looked at it as a problem as I explained to

Dakota that Tanner liked the way Dakota spoke and was practicing. Or

who knows maybe he was just annoying his brother on purpose. Most

likely Tanner found Dakota easier to copy then me. But repeating

back everything someone says is something kids do even when past the

echolalia stage.

For Tanner however I knew it was that he was learning to talk because

he would say the phrase a few times and tried different reflections.

I have in the archives that Tanner would also practice the same

phrase over and over in the mirror with the door closed. For example

he would practice " do you want to play? " Nobody taught him to do

this -but I thought it was very cool.

And yes it was just a stage -Tanner at 12 does not repeat back what

others say today -trust me the child has his own mind about what he

wants and wants to do and doesn't! Actually that is and isn't true -

once in a blue moon even now if Tanner hears something someone says

and he likes the way the person said it, he thinks it's " cool " -or

Tanner thinks it's a cool expression -I noticed he repeats it a few

times -maybe 3? Again to me it's just helping him motor plan. He

probably does 3 times too because I was always taught to teach him to

say something and to help it stick to at least have him repeat it 3

times...but in a fun way.

I called Tanner's speech therapist Dr. Renai Jonas, one of the

bestest in the whole wide world, and she confirmed the basic points

of what I wrote here. She said that the children with motor planning

impairments use the echolalia to answer questions since they don't

know how and it teaches them to learn how to answer questions

correctly.

Just as a head's up -you may want to check out the stage of speech

language impairment and stuttering too as not all apraxic children go

through them -but they are also stages that some apraxic children

tend to get " stuck " in. I can assure you with them as well that if

it's a developmental stage it's not a diagnosis -just a stage.

I went to the one link that was just posted and shockingly found this!

" Children with motor planning issues, or apraxia, also can " get

stuck " in this phase for a couple of different reasons. First of

all, children with apraxia begin speech therapy with very poor

imitation skills. Once they learn how to repeat what they've heard,

they seem to want to hang onto this phase for a very long time.

Secondly, repeating may become the " motor plan " they learn best, and

it may be easier for some of these children to map a previously

rehearsed message than come up with a new one. (Although it is true

with apraxia that children can come up with spontaneous utterances

better than imitated ones, this is not usually the case once they

have been in therapy for a while. It may be easier to pull out a

tried and true phrase or sentence than learn a whole new one.) "

http://teachmetotalk.com/2008/06/01/echolaliawhat-it-is-and-what-it-means/

So relax! This (stage) shall too pass.

=====

[Guest guest]

I don't know where you are in Ohio.  We are in Cincinnati and went through

Cincinnati Children's Hospital.  They have a nationally ranked neurology

depatment.  Sorry, I can't be of more help.

From: kiddietalk <kiddietalk@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: echolalia/Lori and others in Ohio please help

Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 11:01 AM

Gretchen it's normal to be a bit panicked from time to time but don't

jump to diagnosis or you son will end up with a truckload by the time

he's in kindergarten -and trust me you don't want that! As you are

already aware and probably just need to be assured of it -there are

normal developmental stages all children go through -echolalia is one

of them. No echolalia does not auto mean autism!

You say your child was diagnosed with apraxia -in apraxia the

children tend to go through the stages a bit later -sometimes they

skip a stage early and then go through it later.

Children with motor planning impairments sometimes repeat back what

they heard -I never looked at it as echolalia -to me it was just

practice. I have to check the archives but it used to annoy my ADHD

son Dakota that my younger apraxic son Tanner would repeat what

Dakota said. Tanner did that quite often and more so with Dakota

than with me. I never looked at it as a problem as I explained to

Dakota that Tanner liked the way Dakota spoke and was practicing. Or

who knows maybe he was just annoying his brother on purpose. Most

likely Tanner found Dakota easier to copy then me. But repeating

back everything someone says is something kids do even when past the

echolalia stage.

For Tanner however I knew it was that he was learning to talk because

he would say the phrase a few times and tried different reflections.

I have in the archives that Tanner would also practice the same

phrase over and over in the mirror with the door closed. For example

he would practice " do you want to play? " Nobody taught him to do

this -but I thought it was very cool.

And yes it was just a stage -Tanner at 12 does not repeat back what

others say today -trust me the child has his own mind about what he

wants and wants to do and doesn't! Actually that is and isn't true -

once in a blue moon even now if Tanner hears something someone says

and he likes the way the person said it, he thinks it's " cool "

-or

Tanner thinks it's a cool expression -I noticed he repeats it a few

times -maybe 3? Again to me it's just helping him motor plan. He

probably does 3 times too because I was always taught to teach him to

say something and to help it stick to at least have him repeat it 3

times...but in a fun way.

I called Tanner's speech therapist Dr. Renai Jonas, one of the

bestest in the whole wide world, and she confirmed the basic points

of what I wrote here. She said that the children with motor planning

impairments use the echolalia to answer questions since they don't

know how and it teaches them to learn how to answer questions

correctly.

Just as a head's up -you may want to check out the stage of speech

language impairment and stuttering too as not all apraxic children go

through them -but they are also stages that some apraxic children

tend to get " stuck " in. I can assure you with them as well that if

it's a developmental stage it's not a diagnosis -just a stage.

I went to the one link that was just posted and shockingly found this!

" Children with motor planning issues, or apraxia, also can " get

stuck " in this phase for a couple of different reasons. First of

all, children with apraxia begin speech therapy with very poor

imitation skills. Once they learn how to repeat what they've heard,

they seem to want to hang onto this phase for a very long time.

Secondly, repeating may become the " motor plan " they learn best, and

it may be easier for some of these children to map a previously

rehearsed message than come up with a new one. (Although it is true

with apraxia that children can come up with spontaneous utterances

better than imitated ones, this is not usually the case once they

have been in therapy for a while. It may be easier to pull out a

tried and true phrase or sentence than learn a whole new one.) "

http://teachmetotalk.com/2008/06/01/echolaliawhat-it-is-and-what-it-means/

So relax! This (stage) shall too pass.

=====

[Guest guest]

Hi,

We are in Cincinnati too and they have an apraxia clinic at Children's

hospital. However, you would want to make an appt with a develop.

pediatrician at Cinti Children, they would refer you to the apraxia

clinic if necessary. Dr. Wiley and Dr. Shapiro are two that friends

of ours have seen and raved about them. Here is the link so you can

browse some more when you have time. We did not go through the DPB

division, we actually went to a ped. neurologist at Children's, Dr.

Sutton, and stayed with her. I can recommend her highly as well.

The apraxia clinic is located within the DBP so its all

interconnected. They are very knowledgable there. HOpe that helps.

Lori

http://www.cincinnatichildrens.org/svc/alpha/d/disabilities/default.htm

>

> From: kiddietalk <kiddietalk@...>

> Subject: [ ] Re: echolalia/Lori and others in Ohio

please help

>

> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 11:01 AM

>

> Gretchen it's normal to be a bit panicked from time to time but don't

> jump to diagnosis or you son will end up with a truckload by the time

> he's in kindergarten -and trust me you don't want that! As you are

> already aware and probably just need to be assured of it -there are

> normal developmental stages all children go through -echolalia is one

> of them. No echolalia does not auto mean autism!

>

> You say your child was diagnosed with apraxia -in apraxia the

> children tend to go through the stages a bit later -sometimes they

> skip a stage early and then go through it later.

>

> Children with motor planning impairments sometimes repeat back what

> they heard -I never looked at it as echolalia -to me it was just

> practice. I have to check the archives but it used to annoy my ADHD

> son Dakota that my younger apraxic son Tanner would repeat what

> Dakota said. Tanner did that quite often and more so with Dakota

> than with me. I never looked at it as a problem as I explained to

> Dakota that Tanner liked the way Dakota spoke and was practicing. Or

> who knows maybe he was just annoying his brother on purpose. Most

> likely Tanner found Dakota easier to copy then me. But repeating

> back everything someone says is something kids do even when past the

> echolalia stage.

>

> For Tanner however I knew it was that he was learning to talk because

> he would say the phrase a few times and tried different reflections.

> I have in the archives that Tanner would also practice the same

> phrase over and over in the mirror with the door closed. For example

> he would practice " do you want to play? " Nobody taught him to do

> this -but I thought it was very cool.

>

> And yes it was just a stage -Tanner at 12 does not repeat back what

> others say today -trust me the child has his own mind about what he

> wants and wants to do and doesn't! Actually that is and isn't true -

> once in a blue moon even now if Tanner hears something someone says

> and he likes the way the person said it, he thinks it's " cool "

> -or

> Tanner thinks it's a cool expression -I noticed he repeats it a few

> times -maybe 3? Again to me it's just helping him motor plan. He

> probably does 3 times too because I was always taught to teach him to

> say something and to help it stick to at least have him repeat it 3

> times...but in a fun way.

>

> I called Tanner's speech therapist Dr. Renai Jonas, one of the

> bestest in the whole wide world, and she confirmed the basic points

> of what I wrote here. She said that the children with motor planning

> impairments use the echolalia to answer questions since they don't

> know how and it teaches them to learn how to answer questions

> correctly.

>

> Just as a head's up -you may want to check out the stage of speech

> language impairment and stuttering too as not all apraxic children go

> through them -but they are also stages that some apraxic children

> tend to get " stuck " in. I can assure you with them as well that if

> it's a developmental stage it's not a diagnosis -just a stage.

>

> I went to the one link that was just posted and shockingly found this!

>

> " Children with motor planning issues, or apraxia, also can " get

> stuck " in this phase for a couple of different reasons. First of

> all, children with apraxia begin speech therapy with very poor

> imitation skills. Once they learn how to repeat what they've heard,

> they seem to want to hang onto this phase for a very long time.

> Secondly, repeating may become the " motor plan " they learn best, and

> it may be easier for some of these children to map a previously

> rehearsed message than come up with a new one. (Although it is true

> with apraxia that children can come up with spontaneous utterances

> better than imitated ones, this is not usually the case once they

> have been in therapy for a while. It may be easier to pull out a

> tried and true phrase or sentence than learn a whole new one.) "

>

http://teachmetotalk.com/2008/06/01/echolaliawhat-it-is-and-what-it-means/

>

> So relax! This (stage) shall too pass.

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

My son used to repeat what was said back. I called it " therapy-ese. " He

has both apraxia and a language disorder. He either didn't understand the

question, or he couldn't motor plan an answer if he did understand, but he

knew that SOMETHING was expected of him, so he's half-heartedly repeat the

last thing he heard.

Once his motor planning and expressive and receptive vocabulary improved he

stopped all " echolalic " behaviors.

I never felt it was true echolalia. Some did think it was true echolalia

(the ones who thought he had autism) and those that didn't see autism didn't

think it was echolalia.

Miche