Re: Difference between PROMPT and Kaufmann method

[Guest guest]

I'm a huge fan of Prompt. I fully believe that it is THE thing that got my

son talking, but due to your location I would go with Kaufman. I don't

believe that one method is the only method that works for anyone. Keeping

your sanity getting your child to appointments is also important. If

Kaufmann isn't a fit for your child you can then make the long trip.

As for the differences, I'm not that familiar with Kaufmann, but Prompt is a

tactile cuing method. The therapist actually touches the child on the

throat, mouth, jaw and lips to give input on where the child's jaw, tongue

and lip placement should be for different sounds. It was extremely

effective for my son. From what little I know of Kaufmann it seems like we

did a similar approach in home therapy. I accepted approximations of sounds

and gradually guided him to the more correct sounds for letters and words.

Even our Ptompt therapists don't exclusively use Prompt. In fact my son's

current Prompt therapist, while incredibly versed in the method (level 3

certified and a Prompt trainer) almost never uses Prompt on my son anymore.

It's there if he struggles, but his apraxia is mostly resolved. She uses

other techniques to work on his language issues now.

Miche

On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 8:22 AM, kseniarr <kseniarr@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I was wondering what the difference between the two methods is and is

> one more beneficial over the other. My daughter is 5, has severe verbal

> apraxia, global language impairment and autistic tendencies. she has

> been in private speech and now special ed therapy since 3 and although

> she is making gains the progress is slow but steady. We've just started

> on the biomedical path with a DAN although she's been on fish oils for

> quite a while. There is no Prompt therapist super close to us (about a

> 90-minute drive) but we aren't that far from Kaufmann Center so I'm

> wondering which avenue to pursue here. Thanks in advance for the

> insight!

>

[Guest guest]

Here's a long archive -'much' more in the archives (and in The Late

Talker book!)

Start of various archives on this topic:

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Re: PROMPT v. Kaufman?

I've not been here much since we recently moved, but I wanted to

stop in and I see this question is raised again. I'd like to

iterate what said but add even more emphasis to the fact that

therapy isn't like an antibiotic where it works regardless of the

person administering it. Therapy is a VERY personal journey for our

kids, what works with one may not work with another and WHO works

with one may not work with another. It's good for a therapist to

have myriad tricks up his or her sleeve - including Kaufmann and

Prompt - HOWEVER just because a therapist has been trained doesn't

mean that they are a good fit for your child, etc.. This all seems

so clear, but even for me (a seriously old pro at the ST stuff) put

my younger son with our older (apraxic) son's FABULOUS SLP for 6

mos. She made virtually no progress with him whatsoever. Then she

moved, I cried, and took on a completely new SLP. After 2 weeks

with her he was a different child. Did it mean I loved the 1st one

less? nope. Did it mean the 2nd had better training? nope. It's

being a good fit for your kid and having the RIGHT tricks up his or

her sleeve.

Marina

(Mom to 2 speech delayed boys - ages 7+ & nearly 6. 7 year old was

diagnosed as severely apraxic and was totally non-verbal until

almost 3. He was discharged from ST at 5.5. Younger son has a

severe communication disorder - both receptive and expressive - and,

though nonverbal until 3.5, is still making great strides with

the " new " SLP.)

> Hi ,

>

> Would you limit your diet to fruits 'or' veggies?

>

> Personally I don't like anyone taking such a strong stand in one

camp

> that they ignore the benefits of the others. Our children are

> individuals and a therapist or therapy that works for one may not

for

> another. Both PROMPT or touch cue and the Kaufman technique have

> proven results -but what about oral motor and all the rest too

> including multisensory and alternative therapies?

>

> Why not see an SLP who is knowledgeable about all ways of working

with

> an apraxic child so that they can use what works for 'your' son

best?

> An open minded to continue learning SLP who loves children, knows

how

> to work with the age they are working with, and knows which trick

to

> pull out of their hat at one time to work best is most times the

ones

> you can't get an appointment with!

>

> (but worth the wait)

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the great info!! This is all very helpful. My daughter

is getting a lot of different therapies -- OT, art, music,

therapeutic listening, biomed. stuff, etc., but I think I need to go

in a different direction with the speech therapy. I'm especially

concerned with her school speech therapist who last year I believe

was pretty ineffective. She's doing much better with the private one.

I agree there's no magic bullet but sometimes it just gets

overwhelming in terms of what direction to take. Thanks again!!

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Would you limit your diet to fruits 'or' veggies?

> >

> > Personally I don't like anyone taking such a strong stand in one

> camp

> > that they ignore the benefits of the others. Our children are

> > individuals and a therapist or therapy that works for one may not

> for

> > another. Both PROMPT or touch cue and the Kaufman technique have

> > proven results -but what about oral motor and all the rest too

> > including multisensory and alternative therapies?

> >

> > Why not see an SLP who is knowledgeable about all ways of working

> with

> > an apraxic child so that they can use what works for 'your' son

> best?

> > An open minded to continue learning SLP who loves children, knows

> how

> > to work with the age they are working with, and knows which trick

> to

> > pull out of their hat at one time to work best is most times the

> ones

> > you can't get an appointment with!

> >

> > (but worth the wait)

> >

> > =====

> >

[Guest guest]

The speech therapist at my son's school for two years was versed in

Kaufman. She was the one that got him to talk - but I'm not sure if

it was the Kaufman or the EFA/vitamin E or the ABA therapist all put

together. We also investigated the PROMPT b/c he hit a serious

plateau. We paid the school to send the speech therapist to the

PROMPT training (somewhat closeby) - we paid for the training, they

gave her the time and paid expenses. We feel that this training could

help other kids at the school as well.

For the first time EVER, she has been able to say " We are going to

work on the " F " sounnd " and guess what - we hear the F sound in a

week or so. Always for us we hear " we are going to work on the F

sound " and we hear the K sound a week later...very odd and not

logical progression of speech. Also this training gave her a very

valid way to assess where her students werel... she LOVED the

training and the method and the information/knowledge she walked away

with - and she was good to begin with...HTH

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > I was wondering what the difference between the two methods is

and is

> > one more beneficial over the other. My daughter is 5, has severe

verbal

> > apraxia, global language impairment and autistic tendencies. she

has

> > been in private speech and now special ed therapy since 3 and

although

> > she is making gains the progress is slow but steady. We've just

started

> > on the biomedical path with a DAN although she's been on fish

oils for

> > quite a while. There is no Prompt therapist super close to us

(about a

> > 90-minute drive) but we aren't that far from Kaufmann Center so

I'm

> > wondering which avenue to pursue here. Thanks in advance for the

> > insight!

> >

>

>

>