Guest guest Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 Thanks, . Yep, Josh has started talking a lot about the place we lived before moving to this school district (three years ago!) and his memory is amazing. When we moved, we took with us a picture book of people he knew from school, Easter Seals, my office, etc. He's taken to carrying that picture book with him to school - I think it winds up staying in the backpack but it's like a " security blanket " for him. There is definitely stress at school but I can't figure out exactly what is causing it - he loved school last year, loved going on the bus and everything. This year, I'm not impressed at all with the aides in his classroom and his teacher tries, I think, but she seems just so nervous all the time! I can't blame the kid for being stressed out! On the other hand, what is that doing to his development?? What do you say to Ethan when he tells you he's sick? I've got my stock answer of " I think you'll be fine, let's just get dressed, " blah, blah, blah. (of course I felt like a terrible mom when, one day, he actually was sick! I got to my office and school called by 9:15 that he had thrown up!!! talk about feeling like garbage!) Sherry ________________________________ From: Humphreys <csljh2000@...> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 11:46:30 PM Subject: Re: [ ] damage to school relationship-long Sherry: I hear you loud and clear! We experience similar things with Ethan. He wakes up in the mornings and tells me his is " sick " " stay home " . I have done all kinds of things with the school to help minimize his stress there. So far, honestly we are still working on it. We have tried transitional items - we send something to school with Ethan that makes him more comfortable. It changes from week to week sometimes depending on what he is into. He carries it with him into the building and has it in his book bag if needed. This seems to be the most effective idea we have come up with so far. It is not full proof but it does help. ~ Helping Parents of Children with Apraxia~ www.ethanslifewitha praxia.com ____________ _________ _________ __ From: sherry silvern <srsilvern (DOT) com> @groups. com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:19:57 PM Subject: [childrensapraxiane t] damage to school relationship- long Hi All - Weird goings-on here in Josh-land. For those who have been online, you probably remember that I've talked about Josh and his " fight " response (as opposed to the " flight " response) to sensory stuff/overwhelming sensory input/etc. Josh has always done that and we/I have always been able to talk to teachers about it and come up with strategies to minimize it or, in most school years, eliminate it. It takes time, but it works. This year, there was something that happened during the Fall and I have yet to find out exactly what it was. Josh had an extraordinarily difficult time afterward - he was even having nightmares and getting up in the morning saying " tummy hurt, I stay home, Mommy stay home. " Obviously something was not right on the school front. I had gotten word from Josh's bus driver that one of the classroom aides had pulled Josh off the bus one morning - the principal had come on the bus causing all the kids to bunch up right by Josh's seat and, with Josh's space issues and the change in routine, he pulled a girl's hair. The aide on the bus said he could have handled the whole thing just fine but the classroom aide jumped on the bus, pulled Josh off, and stood outside the bus yelling at him face to face. Of course, the principal denied anything like that happening, and the classroom aide said it simply didn't happen and he had no problems with Josh. The bus driver, on the other hand, said she was so upset by it that she was practically in tears by the time she returned the bus to the garage, and the bus aide said he was so disturbed and appalled by how the other aide handled things that he was furious. I called a meeting. I said, by the time the meeting took place, I didn't care what happened really since there were so many different versions of what happened coming my way and there was no way to really know. What I did care about was it not happening again so we talked about strategies, etc. I also said that the classroom aide should not be near Josh unless he does something major to change how he deals with my son. The aide still is working with Josh. The bus driver was pulled off the route. Go figure. There was also a conversation with Josh's teacher that I had last Fall where she said Josh was acting out so much that it took two people to hold him down. Gotta tell ya, Josh has never acted out like that - never! So my gut was telling me that they simply didn't have a clue what to do with Josh. We had another meeting and reviewed strategies, methods, words, trigger words, how to understand " Josh-speak, " all of that. School decided it was necessary to do a functional behavior analysis. OK, I'm all for that, let's work together to come up with a plan and actually write down the strategies we had discussed and others. My ex and I also said we would take Josh to a therapist/counselor to see what that private sector professional could add to the mix. After every session, I would (and still do - the ex has yet to participate in the sessions) send long emails detailing all the ideas and suggestions from the counselor - none of them were ever implemented at school - it was always " well we haven't.... " I take part of that back, school did try one or two ideas but determined they were not working (OK, Josh processes things in his own time - a week or two trying a strategy is not enough for Josh to internalize it and learn it) so stopped doing the couple they tried after only a couple of attempts. Holiday break came in - absolutely no more nightmares, Josh did great over the holiday season, we had tons of fun and did some school work along the way. School started in January and things were good for a couple of weeks. Then Josh started with the " tummy hurt " thing again, or his head hurt, or whatever (there is nothing physically wrong that would cause any of that). We had our p-t conference two weeks ago. Josh has progressed in math and literacy skills, but has regressed in social and self-help skills. Hhhmmm... They also presented us with the functional behavior analysis and behavior plan. The assessment, from my understanding, was supposed to be across environments - take into account things from home, sleep patterns, school things, curriculum things, and so on. Nope. This assessment pretty much said Josh is hitting. Period. Oh, it did say when and where. Pretty much nothing about all the circumstances that surround an incident, no mention (that I can recall) in the analysis of Josh having sensory integration dysfunction and cognitive delays (along with the apraxia, global dyspraxia, and so on). We finished talking about the analysis - the ex sucked up and said he was really impressed with the assessment and thought they did a marvelous job. The plan included different behaviors that they wanted to stop and, under each one, a series of methods for dealing with the behavior. For example, under hitting, there was a continuum from pretty much saying cut it out, to blocking him from view of the other kids with a movable baffle (there were also things like holding his hands, to using a " wrong hands " card that was put on his desk and the baffle put up - you get the idea.) We talked about some of the various strategies/methods for the various behaviors, and moved on to another subject (whether to send Josh to jr. h.s. a year early so he'd be there for 3 years instead of 2 - can help him with the transition and then the transition to h.s. later but he is pretty immature so the decision is difficult). We never talked about the last page of the behavior plan. During the course of the conference, the PT and OT both had constructive input, the school psych was diplomatic and had good input, the teacher limited her comments to academic assessment results, school principal had opinion on jr h.s. (he thinks extra year would be good for a kid with Josh's particular needs), speech therapist didn't say a word, and school social worker said a couple of things but I can't remember what they were. The ex and I left the conference, went our separate ways, and we both happened to look at the last page of the plan and were both horrified. The last strategy was that if staff and teacher believe Josh is a danger or harm to himself or other kids, they can use " CPI restraints and holds. " OMG!!! If you don't know what those are, plug that phrase into the search engine. You'll be horrified as well. So, I went to bridges4kids. org and found a " no-restraint " letter (wrightslaw has the same letter). I did put in the letter that I didn't think the assessment was done as fully and adequately as it should have been and, if the Dist. agreed, it could consider the letter as consent to conduct another assessment that would include input from the ex and me, and be done across environments and times. The ex and I both signed it. I mailed the letter to the heads of special ed for the district and the school principal. (oh, during all this, I've been working with the head of special ed to arrange a visit to the jr h.s. Josh would go to - I started out gung ho on the idea because of the extra transition time but now I'm really torn on the issue and want to see firsthand what it would be like; the ex is adamantly opposed because of Josh's maturity level but has said he doesn't want to be " obstructionist " and would go along with whatever Josh's teacher and the school psychologist said because " they would be most objective " - I seem to be getting along fine with the head of special ed even in light of my no-restraint letter.) Well, the teacher is now either not communicating with me or is minimally/snippy in her communications. She wrote on Monday that Josh went to OT/PT (it's a combined group thing that the ex and I never thought was appropriate for Josh but couldn't get the Dist to give him what he was supposed to have which was 1:1 OT and 1:1 PT - the 1:1 OT finally started in October - after fighting for sensory based OT for over a year, and 1:1 PT just started yesterday after the PT " reluctantly " decided the group thing wasn't working for Josh - duh!), he hit someone and then laid down on the floor refusing to participate. In the margin of the notebook, I wrote " How was it handled? " and " What was the activity? " and another question that I can't remember right now. Her response was " We followed the behavior plan. " I was livid but calmed down before I wrote back that perhaps I didn't ask the question properly since the behavior plan shows a continuum of methods and I was wondering which method was used, and that I would like to know so that I can get a better handle on just what Josh's behaviors are and whether the methods are being successful. She wrote back that if I read the behavior plan it would show 7 different strategies for dealing with Josh hitting and they have, a lot of the time, success with method #1 (the least invasive/restrictiv e) although they use different ones depending on Josh's mood. So, I thanked her for letting me know, that it means a lot to understand the situation (as if her response actually answered the question I posed). No communication from her Wed., yesterday, or today even though there were things that I had written to her that would have prompted a response (totally not behavior stuff - a funny thing that happened with Josh, notice that the ex was picking him up yesterday for a visit, an apology for sending an oversized book for a book thing they were doing today, wishing a good weekend, that kind of thing). I'm thinking the relationship with the teacher, what there was of one, has now gone down the toilet. Anyone have any suggestions or comments on any of this? I would ask for a meeting but the state standardized testing is starting on Monday and I know everyone at school is stressing out about it and I don't think I should add to the stress level - testing will be over soon enough. I'm really at my wit's end with all of this so I'm open to all suggestions (including ones that include " go get a massage and relax! " LOL!) Thanks for listening! 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Guest guest Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 I have difficult mornings - it is really hard for me to see Ethan so stressed. I know it is very hard for him and of course that makes me emotional - I usually talk about things that we are doing AFTER school. Things he will look forward to - for example, he likes to make trips to the store with me - he loves his video games - etc - you get the idea. So, I say things like " well Ethan we are going to the store after school! If you are sick than you can't go to the store...silly:) " Or I focus on some of his friends - " don't you want to see Ellie at school? " " She will be sad if you are not there! " I try to focus on things that make him happy - some days this does not work at all - especially if the day before was exceptionally hard on him. These things have helped us though. I hope that things get better for Josh and for Ethan! ~ Helping Parents of Children with Apraxia~ www.ethanslifewithapraxia.com ________________________________ From: sherry silvern <srsilvern@...> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:11:46 PM Subject: Re: [ ] damage to school relationship-laura Thanks, . Yep, Josh has started talking a lot about the place we lived before moving to this school district (three years ago!) and his memory is amazing. When we moved, we took with us a picture book of people he knew from school, Easter Seals, my office, etc. He's taken to carrying that picture book with him to school - I think it winds up staying in the backpack but it's like a " security blanket " for him. There is definitely stress at school but I can't figure out exactly what is causing it - he loved school last year, loved going on the bus and everything. This year, I'm not impressed at all with the aides in his classroom and his teacher tries, I think, but she seems just so nervous all the time! I can't blame the kid for being stressed out! On the other hand, what is that doing to his development? ? What do you say to Ethan when he tells you he's sick? I've got my stock answer of " I think you'll be fine, let's just get dressed, " blah, blah, blah. (of course I felt like a terrible mom when, one day, he actually was sick! I got to my office and school called by 9:15 that he had thrown up!!! talk about feeling like garbage!) Sherry ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Humphreys <csljh2000 (DOT) com> @groups. com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 11:46:30 PM Subject: Re: [childrensapraxiane t] damage to school relationship- long Sherry: I hear you loud and clear! We experience similar things with Ethan. He wakes up in the mornings and tells me his is " sick " " stay home " . I have done all kinds of things with the school to help minimize his stress there. So far, honestly we are still working on it. We have tried transitional items - we send something to school with Ethan that makes him more comfortable. It changes from week to week sometimes depending on what he is into. He carries it with him into the building and has it in his book bag if needed. This seems to be the most effective idea we have come up with so far. It is not full proof but it does help. ~ Helping Parents of Children with Apraxia~ www.ethanslifewitha praxia.com ____________ _________ _________ __ From: sherry silvern <srsilvern (DOT) com> @groups. com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:19:57 PM Subject: [childrensapraxiane t] damage to school relationship- long Hi All - Weird goings-on here in Josh-land. For those who have been online, you probably remember that I've talked about Josh and his " fight " response (as opposed to the " flight " response) to sensory stuff/overwhelming sensory input/etc. Josh has always done that and we/I have always been able to talk to teachers about it and come up with strategies to minimize it or, in most school years, eliminate it. It takes time, but it works. This year, there was something that happened during the Fall and I have yet to find out exactly what it was. Josh had an extraordinarily difficult time afterward - he was even having nightmares and getting up in the morning saying " tummy hurt, I stay home, Mommy stay home. " Obviously something was not right on the school front. I had gotten word from Josh's bus driver that one of the classroom aides had pulled Josh off the bus one morning - the principal had come on the bus causing all the kids to bunch up right by Josh's seat and, with Josh's space issues and the change in routine, he pulled a girl's hair. The aide on the bus said he could have handled the whole thing just fine but the classroom aide jumped on the bus, pulled Josh off, and stood outside the bus yelling at him face to face. Of course, the principal denied anything like that happening, and the classroom aide said it simply didn't happen and he had no problems with Josh. The bus driver, on the other hand, said she was so upset by it that she was practically in tears by the time she returned the bus to the garage, and the bus aide said he was so disturbed and appalled by how the other aide handled things that he was furious. I called a meeting. I said, by the time the meeting took place, I didn't care what happened really since there were so many different versions of what happened coming my way and there was no way to really know. What I did care about was it not happening again so we talked about strategies, etc. I also said that the classroom aide should not be near Josh unless he does something major to change how he deals with my son. The aide still is working with Josh. The bus driver was pulled off the route. Go figure. There was also a conversation with Josh's teacher that I had last Fall where she said Josh was acting out so much that it took two people to hold him down. Gotta tell ya, Josh has never acted out like that - never! So my gut was telling me that they simply didn't have a clue what to do with Josh. We had another meeting and reviewed strategies, methods, words, trigger words, how to understand " Josh-speak, " all of that. School decided it was necessary to do a functional behavior analysis. OK, I'm all for that, let's work together to come up with a plan and actually write down the strategies we had discussed and others. My ex and I also said we would take Josh to a therapist/counselor to see what that private sector professional could add to the mix. After every session, I would (and still do - the ex has yet to participate in the sessions) send long emails detailing all the ideas and suggestions from the counselor - none of them were ever implemented at school - it was always " well we haven't.... " I take part of that back, school did try one or two ideas but determined they were not working (OK, Josh processes things in his own time - a week or two trying a strategy is not enough for Josh to internalize it and learn it) so stopped doing the couple they tried after only a couple of attempts. Holiday break came in - absolutely no more nightmares, Josh did great over the holiday season, we had tons of fun and did some school work along the way. School started in January and things were good for a couple of weeks. Then Josh started with the " tummy hurt " thing again, or his head hurt, or whatever (there is nothing physically wrong that would cause any of that). We had our p-t conference two weeks ago. Josh has progressed in math and literacy skills, but has regressed in social and self-help skills. Hhhmmm... They also presented us with the functional behavior analysis and behavior plan. The assessment, from my understanding, was supposed to be across environments - take into account things from home, sleep patterns, school things, curriculum things, and so on. Nope. This assessment pretty much said Josh is hitting. Period. Oh, it did say when and where. Pretty much nothing about all the circumstances that surround an incident, no mention (that I can recall) in the analysis of Josh having sensory integration dysfunction and cognitive delays (along with the apraxia, global dyspraxia, and so on). We finished talking about the analysis - the ex sucked up and said he was really impressed with the assessment and thought they did a marvelous job. The plan included different behaviors that they wanted to stop and, under each one, a series of methods for dealing with the behavior. For example, under hitting, there was a continuum from pretty much saying cut it out, to blocking him from view of the other kids with a movable baffle (there were also things like holding his hands, to using a " wrong hands " card that was put on his desk and the baffle put up - you get the idea.) We talked about some of the various strategies/methods for the various behaviors, and moved on to another subject (whether to send Josh to jr. h.s. a year early so he'd be there for 3 years instead of 2 - can help him with the transition and then the transition to h.s. later but he is pretty immature so the decision is difficult). We never talked about the last page of the behavior plan. During the course of the conference, the PT and OT both had constructive input, the school psych was diplomatic and had good input, the teacher limited her comments to academic assessment results, school principal had opinion on jr h.s. (he thinks extra year would be good for a kid with Josh's particular needs), speech therapist didn't say a word, and school social worker said a couple of things but I can't remember what they were. The ex and I left the conference, went our separate ways, and we both happened to look at the last page of the plan and were both horrified. The last strategy was that if staff and teacher believe Josh is a danger or harm to himself or other kids, they can use " CPI restraints and holds. " OMG!!! If you don't know what those are, plug that phrase into the search engine. You'll be horrified as well. So, I went to bridges4kids. org and found a " no-restraint " letter (wrightslaw has the same letter). I did put in the letter that I didn't think the assessment was done as fully and adequately as it should have been and, if the Dist. agreed, it could consider the letter as consent to conduct another assessment that would include input from the ex and me, and be done across environments and times. The ex and I both signed it. I mailed the letter to the heads of special ed for the district and the school principal. (oh, during all this, I've been working with the head of special ed to arrange a visit to the jr h.s. Josh would go to - I started out gung ho on the idea because of the extra transition time but now I'm really torn on the issue and want to see firsthand what it would be like; the ex is adamantly opposed because of Josh's maturity level but has said he doesn't want to be " obstructionist " and would go along with whatever Josh's teacher and the school psychologist said because " they would be most objective " - I seem to be getting along fine with the head of special ed even in light of my no-restraint letter.) Well, the teacher is now either not communicating with me or is minimally/snippy in her communications. She wrote on Monday that Josh went to OT/PT (it's a combined group thing that the ex and I never thought was appropriate for Josh but couldn't get the Dist to give him what he was supposed to have which was 1:1 OT and 1:1 PT - the 1:1 OT finally started in October - after fighting for sensory based OT for over a year, and 1:1 PT just started yesterday after the PT " reluctantly " decided the group thing wasn't working for Josh - duh!), he hit someone and then laid down on the floor refusing to participate. In the margin of the notebook, I wrote " How was it handled? " and " What was the activity? " and another question that I can't remember right now. Her response was " We followed the behavior plan. " I was livid but calmed down before I wrote back that perhaps I didn't ask the question properly since the behavior plan shows a continuum of methods and I was wondering which method was used, and that I would like to know so that I can get a better handle on just what Josh's behaviors are and whether the methods are being successful. She wrote back that if I read the behavior plan it would show 7 different strategies for dealing with Josh hitting and they have, a lot of the time, success with method #1 (the least invasive/restrictiv e) although they use different ones depending on Josh's mood. So, I thanked her for letting me know, that it means a lot to understand the situation (as if her response actually answered the question I posed). No communication from her Wed., yesterday, or today even though there were things that I had written to her that would have prompted a response (totally not behavior stuff - a funny thing that happened with Josh, notice that the ex was picking him up yesterday for a visit, an apology for sending an oversized book for a book thing they were doing today, wishing a good weekend, that kind of thing). I'm thinking the relationship with the teacher, what there was of one, has now gone down the toilet. Anyone have any suggestions or comments on any of this? I would ask for a meeting but the state standardized testing is starting on Monday and I know everyone at school is stressing out about it and I don't think I should add to the stress level - testing will be over soon enough. I'm really at my wit's end with all of this so I'm open to all suggestions (including ones that include " go get a massage and relax! " LOL!) Thanks for listening! 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Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Sherry, I do not think you should " pass off " or ignore your son's cries for help. Something is really wrong at this school andin hs class. If the teacher is " nervous " as you say, then perhaps she is not happy with the aides and knows not what to do. Your son is trying to tell you the best way he knows how that something is bad wrong. Please listen....for your son's sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Hi - Oh, I absolutely agree that Josh is telling me, in his way, that something is really wrong! when a kid doesn't want to go to school after previously loving it, and when he's afraid to get off the school bus at school, and when he has nightmares (although those, thank goodness, have ended since the winter holidays), something is really wrong. When I tried to get a meeting with the head of special ed at the time Josh was having the nightmares, etc., I received no response except they would try to get a meeting together - well, nothing happened before the holidays and then the holidays came in and things got better for Josh (not dealing with whatever the stressors were in school and, I should add, after I lit into my ex for consistently canceling visits which was not, in my opinion, helping anything, and the ex started at least coming for his visits again). Something is not right still since he's still saying he has a tummy ache, or his ankle hurts, or his head hurts, etc., etc. I am listening, believe me, and that's why I'm pushing the school. I had rather hoped to maintain a relationship with the teacher through all this and that appears to not be happening. I am going to visit the jr h.s. on Monday (next) with the head of special ed - and I intend to make mention of the status of things at that time. She had suggested we have a meeting to discuss concerns over the " CPI restraints and holds " and she has yet to get back to me about that - I wonder if she is going to spring that on me at the visit to the jr h.s. thanks, Sherry and Josh ________________________________ From: <agirlnamedsuess@...> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 11:15:35 AM Subject: [ ] Re: damage to school relationship-laura Sherry, I do not think you should " pass off " or ignore your son's cries for help. Something is really wrong at this school andin hs class. If the teacher is " nervous " as you say, then perhaps she is not happy with the aides and knows not what to do. Your son is trying to tell you the best way he knows how that something is bad wrong. Please listen....for your son's sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Yep, I try to focus on the fun things he'll do at school - like today, on Mondays, he has music and gym and he adores both of those teachers so I focus on those. And, I always put a note in his lunchbox (that i can only hope is being read to him since he is not reading yet - something else I've been concerned about since he's going to be 11yo!) asking how his day is going and, like today, how was music, or whatever. I'm just glad that the classroom aide he has the problems with is not the one that does lunch with him (at least as far as I know - Josh always talks about one of the other aides that he really does well with as being with him for lunch). Thanks! Sherry and Josh ________________________________ From: Humphreys <csljh2000@...> Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 10:23:26 PM Subject: Re: [ ] damage to school relationship-laura I have difficult mornings - it is really hard for me to see Ethan so stressed. I know it is very hard for him and of course that makes me emotional - I usually talk about things that we are doing AFTER school. Things he will look forward to - for example, he likes to make trips to the store with me - he loves his video games - etc - you get the idea. So, I say things like " well Ethan we are going to the store after school! If you are sick than you can't go to the store...silly: ) " Or I focus on some of his friends - " don't you want to see Ellie at school? " " She will be sad if you are not there! " I try to focus on things that make him happy - some days this does not work at all - especially if the day before was exceptionally hard on him. These things have helped us though. I hope that things get better for Josh and for Ethan! ~ Helping Parents of Children with Apraxia~ www.ethanslifewitha praxia.com ____________ _________ _________ __ From: sherry silvern <srsilvern (DOT) com> @groups. com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:11:46 PM Subject: Re: [childrensapraxiane t] damage to school relationship- laura Thanks, . Yep, Josh has started talking a lot about the place we lived before moving to this school district (three years ago!) and his memory is amazing. When we moved, we took with us a picture book of people he knew from school, Easter Seals, my office, etc. He's taken to carrying that picture book with him to school - I think it winds up staying in the backpack but it's like a " security blanket " for him. There is definitely stress at school but I can't figure out exactly what is causing it - he loved school last year, loved going on the bus and everything. This year, I'm not impressed at all with the aides in his classroom and his teacher tries, I think, but she seems just so nervous all the time! I can't blame the kid for being stressed out! On the other hand, what is that doing to his development? ? What do you say to Ethan when he tells you he's sick? I've got my stock answer of " I think you'll be fine, let's just get dressed, " blah, blah, blah. (of course I felt like a terrible mom when, one day, he actually was sick! I got to my office and school called by 9:15 that he had thrown up!!! talk about feeling like garbage!) Sherry ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Humphreys <csljh2000 (DOT) com> @groups. com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 11:46:30 PM Subject: Re: [childrensapraxiane t] damage to school relationship- long Sherry: I hear you loud and clear! We experience similar things with Ethan. He wakes up in the mornings and tells me his is " sick " " stay home " . I have done all kinds of things with the school to help minimize his stress there. So far, honestly we are still working on it. We have tried transitional items - we send something to school with Ethan that makes him more comfortable. It changes from week to week sometimes depending on what he is into. He carries it with him into the building and has it in his book bag if needed. This seems to be the most effective idea we have come up with so far. It is not full proof but it does help. ~ Helping Parents of Children with Apraxia~ www.ethanslifewitha praxia.com ____________ _________ _________ __ From: sherry silvern <srsilvern (DOT) com> @groups. com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:19:57 PM Subject: [childrensapraxiane t] damage to school relationship- long Hi All - Weird goings-on here in Josh-land. For those who have been online, you probably remember that I've talked about Josh and his " fight " response (as opposed to the " flight " response) to sensory stuff/overwhelming sensory input/etc. Josh has always done that and we/I have always been able to talk to teachers about it and come up with strategies to minimize it or, in most school years, eliminate it. It takes time, but it works. This year, there was something that happened during the Fall and I have yet to find out exactly what it was. Josh had an extraordinarily difficult time afterward - he was even having nightmares and getting up in the morning saying " tummy hurt, I stay home, Mommy stay home. " Obviously something was not right on the school front. I had gotten word from Josh's bus driver that one of the classroom aides had pulled Josh off the bus one morning - the principal had come on the bus causing all the kids to bunch up right by Josh's seat and, with Josh's space issues and the change in routine, he pulled a girl's hair. The aide on the bus said he could have handled the whole thing just fine but the classroom aide jumped on the bus, pulled Josh off, and stood outside the bus yelling at him face to face. Of course, the principal denied anything like that happening, and the classroom aide said it simply didn't happen and he had no problems with Josh. The bus driver, on the other hand, said she was so upset by it that she was practically in tears by the time she returned the bus to the garage, and the bus aide said he was so disturbed and appalled by how the other aide handled things that he was furious. I called a meeting. I said, by the time the meeting took place, I didn't care what happened really since there were so many different versions of what happened coming my way and there was no way to really know. What I did care about was it not happening again so we talked about strategies, etc. I also said that the classroom aide should not be near Josh unless he does something major to change how he deals with my son. The aide still is working with Josh. The bus driver was pulled off the route. Go figure. There was also a conversation with Josh's teacher that I had last Fall where she said Josh was acting out so much that it took two people to hold him down. Gotta tell ya, Josh has never acted out like that - never! So my gut was telling me that they simply didn't have a clue what to do with Josh. We had another meeting and reviewed strategies, methods, words, trigger words, how to understand " Josh-speak, " all of that. School decided it was necessary to do a functional behavior analysis. OK, I'm all for that, let's work together to come up with a plan and actually write down the strategies we had discussed and others. My ex and I also said we would take Josh to a therapist/counselor to see what that private sector professional could add to the mix. After every session, I would (and still do - the ex has yet to participate in the sessions) send long emails detailing all the ideas and suggestions from the counselor - none of them were ever implemented at school - it was always " well we haven't.... " I take part of that back, school did try one or two ideas but determined they were not working (OK, Josh processes things in his own time - a week or two trying a strategy is not enough for Josh to internalize it and learn it) so stopped doing the couple they tried after only a couple of attempts. Holiday break came in - absolutely no more nightmares, Josh did great over the holiday season, we had tons of fun and did some school work along the way. School started in January and things were good for a couple of weeks. Then Josh started with the " tummy hurt " thing again, or his head hurt, or whatever (there is nothing physically wrong that would cause any of that). We had our p-t conference two weeks ago. Josh has progressed in math and literacy skills, but has regressed in social and self-help skills. Hhhmmm... They also presented us with the functional behavior analysis and behavior plan. The assessment, from my understanding, was supposed to be across environments - take into account things from home, sleep patterns, school things, curriculum things, and so on. Nope. This assessment pretty much said Josh is hitting. Period. Oh, it did say when and where. Pretty much nothing about all the circumstances that surround an incident, no mention (that I can recall) in the analysis of Josh having sensory integration dysfunction and cognitive delays (along with the apraxia, global dyspraxia, and so on). We finished talking about the analysis - the ex sucked up and said he was really impressed with the assessment and thought they did a marvelous job. The plan included different behaviors that they wanted to stop and, under each one, a series of methods for dealing with the behavior. For example, under hitting, there was a continuum from pretty much saying cut it out, to blocking him from view of the other kids with a movable baffle (there were also things like holding his hands, to using a " wrong hands " card that was put on his desk and the baffle put up - you get the idea.) We talked about some of the various strategies/methods for the various behaviors, and moved on to another subject (whether to send Josh to jr. h.s. a year early so he'd be there for 3 years instead of 2 - can help him with the transition and then the transition to h.s. later but he is pretty immature so the decision is difficult). We never talked about the last page of the behavior plan. During the course of the conference, the PT and OT both had constructive input, the school psych was diplomatic and had good input, the teacher limited her comments to academic assessment results, school principal had opinion on jr h.s. (he thinks extra year would be good for a kid with Josh's particular needs), speech therapist didn't say a word, and school social worker said a couple of things but I can't remember what they were. The ex and I left the conference, went our separate ways, and we both happened to look at the last page of the plan and were both horrified. The last strategy was that if staff and teacher believe Josh is a danger or harm to himself or other kids, they can use " CPI restraints and holds. " OMG!!! If you don't know what those are, plug that phrase into the search engine. You'll be horrified as well. So, I went to bridges4kids. org and found a " no-restraint " letter (wrightslaw has the same letter). I did put in the letter that I didn't think the assessment was done as fully and adequately as it should have been and, if the Dist. agreed, it could consider the letter as consent to conduct another assessment that would include input from the ex and me, and be done across environments and times. The ex and I both signed it. I mailed the letter to the heads of special ed for the district and the school principal. (oh, during all this, I've been working with the head of special ed to arrange a visit to the jr h.s. Josh would go to - I started out gung ho on the idea because of the extra transition time but now I'm really torn on the issue and want to see firsthand what it would be like; the ex is adamantly opposed because of Josh's maturity level but has said he doesn't want to be " obstructionist " and would go along with whatever Josh's teacher and the school psychologist said because " they would be most objective " - I seem to be getting along fine with the head of special ed even in light of my no-restraint letter.) Well, the teacher is now either not communicating with me or is minimally/snippy in her communications. She wrote on Monday that Josh went to OT/PT (it's a combined group thing that the ex and I never thought was appropriate for Josh but couldn't get the Dist to give him what he was supposed to have which was 1:1 OT and 1:1 PT - the 1:1 OT finally started in October - after fighting for sensory based OT for over a year, and 1:1 PT just started yesterday after the PT " reluctantly " decided the group thing wasn't working for Josh - duh!), he hit someone and then laid down on the floor refusing to participate. In the margin of the notebook, I wrote " How was it handled? " and " What was the activity? " and another question that I can't remember right now. Her response was " We followed the behavior plan. " I was livid but calmed down before I wrote back that perhaps I didn't ask the question properly since the behavior plan shows a continuum of methods and I was wondering which method was used, and that I would like to know so that I can get a better handle on just what Josh's behaviors are and whether the methods are being successful. She wrote back that if I read the behavior plan it would show 7 different strategies for dealing with Josh hitting and they have, a lot of the time, success with method #1 (the least invasive/restrictiv e) although they use different ones depending on Josh's mood. So, I thanked her for letting me know, that it means a lot to understand the situation (as if her response actually answered the question I posed). No communication from her Wed., yesterday, or today even though there were things that I had written to her that would have prompted a response (totally not behavior stuff - a funny thing that happened with Josh, notice that the ex was picking him up yesterday for a visit, an apology for sending an oversized book for a book thing they were doing today, wishing a good weekend, that kind of thing). I'm thinking the relationship with the teacher, what there was of one, has now gone down the toilet. Anyone have any suggestions or comments on any of this? I would ask for a meeting but the state standardized testing is starting on Monday and I know everyone at school is stressing out about it and I don't think I should add to the stress level - testing will be over soon enough. I'm really at my wit's end with all of this so I'm open to all suggestions (including ones that include " go get a massage and relax! " LOL!) Thanks for listening! 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Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Sherry, How old is Josh? And I am assuming that he now has understandable speech since he can voice aches and pains to you? Just sit down with him and tell him to be honest with you what is happening at school. Ask him if he has been threatened by teachers, aides or kids. Tell him you won't blame him if he is honest. My guess is that he is fearful of having to return to school AFTER he tells you. Are you able to take him out of this school thevery day he tells you what really is happening? If you ca, then tell him he will never have to return here to this school if he tells you some extreme circumstances, which will necessitate his withdrawal. My guess is he has been instilled with fear that " his parents won't believe him. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 It sounds like we are experiencing similar situations. There are days that things go great - and the days that I am at war with myself over what to do. I know I can't go into the school screaming like I want to sometimes - and I realize that we all are human - BUT - I also know my son needs to be comfortable with his surroundings to get the most out of school. If you are always ready to run - if everything is so difficult then you shut down. I worry about that! Then I do the same thing you are - ask for help!!!! I do believe that people make the difference though - last year we did not have these issues. How we approach learning with him - makes all the difference in the world. ~ Helping Parents of Children with Apraxia~ www.ethanslifewithapraxia.com ________________________________ From: sherry silvern <srsilvern@...> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 12:53:20 PM Subject: Re: [ ] damage to school relationship-laura Yep, I try to focus on the fun things he'll do at school - like today, on Mondays, he has music and gym and he adores both of those teachers so I focus on those. And, I always put a note in his lunchbox (that i can only hope is being read to him since he is not reading yet - something else I've been concerned about since he's going to be 11yo!) asking how his day is going and, like today, how was music, or whatever. I'm just glad that the classroom aide he has the problems with is not the one that does lunch with him (at least as far as I know - Josh always talks about one of the other aides that he really does well with as being with him for lunch). Thanks! Sherry and Josh ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Humphreys <csljh2000 (DOT) com> @groups. com Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 10:23:26 PM Subject: Re: [childrensapraxiane t] damage to school relationship- laura I have difficult mornings - it is really hard for me to see Ethan so stressed. I know it is very hard for him and of course that makes me emotional - I usually talk about things that we are doing AFTER school. Things he will look forward to - for example, he likes to make trips to the store with me - he loves his video games - etc - you get the idea. So, I say things like " well Ethan we are going to the store after school! If you are sick than you can't go to the store...silly: ) " Or I focus on some of his friends - " don't you want to see Ellie at school? " " She will be sad if you are not there! " I try to focus on things that make him happy - some days this does not work at all - especially if the day before was exceptionally hard on him. These things have helped us though. I hope that things get better for Josh and for Ethan! ~ Helping Parents of Children with Apraxia~ www.ethanslifewitha praxia.com ____________ _________ _________ __ From: sherry silvern <srsilvern (DOT) com> @groups. com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:11:46 PM Subject: Re: [childrensapraxiane t] damage to school relationship- laura Thanks, . Yep, Josh has started talking a lot about the place we lived before moving to this school district (three years ago!) and his memory is amazing. When we moved, we took with us a picture book of people he knew from school, Easter Seals, my office, etc. He's taken to carrying that picture book with him to school - I think it winds up staying in the backpack but it's like a " security blanket " for him. There is definitely stress at school but I can't figure out exactly what is causing it - he loved school last year, loved going on the bus and everything. This year, I'm not impressed at all with the aides in his classroom and his teacher tries, I think, but she seems just so nervous all the time! I can't blame the kid for being stressed out! On the other hand, what is that doing to his development? ? What do you say to Ethan when he tells you he's sick? I've got my stock answer of " I think you'll be fine, let's just get dressed, " blah, blah, blah. (of course I felt like a terrible mom when, one day, he actually was sick! I got to my office and school called by 9:15 that he had thrown up!!! talk about feeling like garbage!) Sherry ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Humphreys <csljh2000 (DOT) com> @groups. com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 11:46:30 PM Subject: Re: [childrensapraxiane t] damage to school relationship- long Sherry: I hear you loud and clear! We experience similar things with Ethan. He wakes up in the mornings and tells me his is " sick " " stay home " . I have done all kinds of things with the school to help minimize his stress there. So far, honestly we are still working on it. We have tried transitional items - we send something to school with Ethan that makes him more comfortable. It changes from week to week sometimes depending on what he is into. He carries it with him into the building and has it in his book bag if needed. This seems to be the most effective idea we have come up with so far. It is not full proof but it does help. ~ Helping Parents of Children with Apraxia~ www.ethanslifewitha praxia.com ____________ _________ _________ __ From: sherry silvern <srsilvern (DOT) com> @groups. com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:19:57 PM Subject: [childrensapraxiane t] damage to school relationship- long Hi All - Weird goings-on here in Josh-land. For those who have been online, you probably remember that I've talked about Josh and his " fight " response (as opposed to the " flight " response) to sensory stuff/overwhelming sensory input/etc. Josh has always done that and we/I have always been able to talk to teachers about it and come up with strategies to minimize it or, in most school years, eliminate it. It takes time, but it works. This year, there was something that happened during the Fall and I have yet to find out exactly what it was. Josh had an extraordinarily difficult time afterward - he was even having nightmares and getting up in the morning saying " tummy hurt, I stay home, Mommy stay home. " Obviously something was not right on the school front. I had gotten word from Josh's bus driver that one of the classroom aides had pulled Josh off the bus one morning - the principal had come on the bus causing all the kids to bunch up right by Josh's seat and, with Josh's space issues and the change in routine, he pulled a girl's hair. The aide on the bus said he could have handled the whole thing just fine but the classroom aide jumped on the bus, pulled Josh off, and stood outside the bus yelling at him face to face. Of course, the principal denied anything like that happening, and the classroom aide said it simply didn't happen and he had no problems with Josh. The bus driver, on the other hand, said she was so upset by it that she was practically in tears by the time she returned the bus to the garage, and the bus aide said he was so disturbed and appalled by how the other aide handled things that he was furious. I called a meeting. I said, by the time the meeting took place, I didn't care what happened really since there were so many different versions of what happened coming my way and there was no way to really know. What I did care about was it not happening again so we talked about strategies, etc. I also said that the classroom aide should not be near Josh unless he does something major to change how he deals with my son. The aide still is working with Josh. The bus driver was pulled off the route. Go figure. There was also a conversation with Josh's teacher that I had last Fall where she said Josh was acting out so much that it took two people to hold him down. Gotta tell ya, Josh has never acted out like that - never! So my gut was telling me that they simply didn't have a clue what to do with Josh. We had another meeting and reviewed strategies, methods, words, trigger words, how to understand " Josh-speak, " all of that. School decided it was necessary to do a functional behavior analysis. OK, I'm all for that, let's work together to come up with a plan and actually write down the strategies we had discussed and others. My ex and I also said we would take Josh to a therapist/counselor to see what that private sector professional could add to the mix. After every session, I would (and still do - the ex has yet to participate in the sessions) send long emails detailing all the ideas and suggestions from the counselor - none of them were ever implemented at school - it was always " well we haven't.... " I take part of that back, school did try one or two ideas but determined they were not working (OK, Josh processes things in his own time - a week or two trying a strategy is not enough for Josh to internalize it and learn it) so stopped doing the couple they tried after only a couple of attempts. Holiday break came in - absolutely no more nightmares, Josh did great over the holiday season, we had tons of fun and did some school work along the way. School started in January and things were good for a couple of weeks. Then Josh started with the " tummy hurt " thing again, or his head hurt, or whatever (there is nothing physically wrong that would cause any of that). We had our p-t conference two weeks ago. Josh has progressed in math and literacy skills, but has regressed in social and self-help skills. Hhhmmm... They also presented us with the functional behavior analysis and behavior plan. The assessment, from my understanding, was supposed to be across environments - take into account things from home, sleep patterns, school things, curriculum things, and so on. Nope. This assessment pretty much said Josh is hitting. Period. Oh, it did say when and where. Pretty much nothing about all the circumstances that surround an incident, no mention (that I can recall) in the analysis of Josh having sensory integration dysfunction and cognitive delays (along with the apraxia, global dyspraxia, and so on). We finished talking about the analysis - the ex sucked up and said he was really impressed with the assessment and thought they did a marvelous job. The plan included different behaviors that they wanted to stop and, under each one, a series of methods for dealing with the behavior. For example, under hitting, there was a continuum from pretty much saying cut it out, to blocking him from view of the other kids with a movable baffle (there were also things like holding his hands, to using a " wrong hands " card that was put on his desk and the baffle put up - you get the idea.) We talked about some of the various strategies/methods for the various behaviors, and moved on to another subject (whether to send Josh to jr. h.s. a year early so he'd be there for 3 years instead of 2 - can help him with the transition and then the transition to h.s. later but he is pretty immature so the decision is difficult). We never talked about the last page of the behavior plan. During the course of the conference, the PT and OT both had constructive input, the school psych was diplomatic and had good input, the teacher limited her comments to academic assessment results, school principal had opinion on jr h.s. (he thinks extra year would be good for a kid with Josh's particular needs), speech therapist didn't say a word, and school social worker said a couple of things but I can't remember what they were. The ex and I left the conference, went our separate ways, and we both happened to look at the last page of the plan and were both horrified. The last strategy was that if staff and teacher believe Josh is a danger or harm to himself or other kids, they can use " CPI restraints and holds. " OMG!!! If you don't know what those are, plug that phrase into the search engine. You'll be horrified as well. So, I went to bridges4kids. org and found a " no-restraint " letter (wrightslaw has the same letter). I did put in the letter that I didn't think the assessment was done as fully and adequately as it should have been and, if the Dist. agreed, it could consider the letter as consent to conduct another assessment that would include input from the ex and me, and be done across environments and times. The ex and I both signed it. I mailed the letter to the heads of special ed for the district and the school principal. (oh, during all this, I've been working with the head of special ed to arrange a visit to the jr h.s. Josh would go to - I started out gung ho on the idea because of the extra transition time but now I'm really torn on the issue and want to see firsthand what it would be like; the ex is adamantly opposed because of Josh's maturity level but has said he doesn't want to be " obstructionist " and would go along with whatever Josh's teacher and the school psychologist said because " they would be most objective " - I seem to be getting along fine with the head of special ed even in light of my no-restraint letter.) Well, the teacher is now either not communicating with me or is minimally/snippy in her communications. She wrote on Monday that Josh went to OT/PT (it's a combined group thing that the ex and I never thought was appropriate for Josh but couldn't get the Dist to give him what he was supposed to have which was 1:1 OT and 1:1 PT - the 1:1 OT finally started in October - after fighting for sensory based OT for over a year, and 1:1 PT just started yesterday after the PT " reluctantly " decided the group thing wasn't working for Josh - duh!), he hit someone and then laid down on the floor refusing to participate. In the margin of the notebook, I wrote " How was it handled? " and " What was the activity? " and another question that I can't remember right now. Her response was " We followed the behavior plan. " I was livid but calmed down before I wrote back that perhaps I didn't ask the question properly since the behavior plan shows a continuum of methods and I was wondering which method was used, and that I would like to know so that I can get a better handle on just what Josh's behaviors are and whether the methods are being successful. She wrote back that if I read the behavior plan it would show 7 different strategies for dealing with Josh hitting and they have, a lot of the time, success with method #1 (the least invasive/restrictiv e) although they use different ones depending on Josh's mood. So, I thanked her for letting me know, that it means a lot to understand the situation (as if her response actually answered the question I posed). No communication from her Wed., yesterday, or today even though there were things that I had written to her that would have prompted a response (totally not behavior stuff - a funny thing that happened with Josh, notice that the ex was picking him up yesterday for a visit, an apology for sending an oversized book for a book thing they were doing today, wishing a good weekend, that kind of thing). I'm thinking the relationship with the teacher, what there was of one, has now gone down the toilet. Anyone have any suggestions or comments on any of this? I would ask for a meeting but the state standardized testing is starting on Monday and I know everyone at school is stressing out about it and I don't think I should add to the stress level - testing will be over soon enough. I'm really at my wit's end with all of this so I'm open to all suggestions (including ones that include " go get a massage and relax! " LOL!) Thanks for listening! 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