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Thanks, .  Yep, Josh has started talking a lot about the place we lived

before moving to this school district (three years ago!) and his memory is

amazing.  When we moved, we took with us a picture book of people he knew from

school, Easter Seals, my office, etc.  He's taken to carrying that picture book

with him to school - I think it winds up staying in the backpack but it's like a

" security blanket " for him.  There is definitely stress at school but I can't

figure out exactly what is causing it - he loved school last year, loved going

on the bus and everything.  This year, I'm not impressed at all with the aides

in his classroom and his teacher tries, I think, but she seems just so nervous

all the time!  I can't blame the kid for being stressed out!  On the other hand,

what is that doing to his development??

What do you say to Ethan when he tells you he's sick?  I've got my stock answer

of " I think you'll be fine, let's just get dressed, " blah, blah, blah.  (of

course I felt like a terrible mom when, one day, he actually was sick!  I got to

my office and school called by 9:15 that he had thrown up!!!  talk about feeling

like garbage!)

Sherry

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From: Humphreys <csljh2000@...>

Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 11:46:30 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] damage to school relationship-long

Sherry:

I hear you loud and clear! We experience similar things with Ethan. He wakes up

in the mornings and tells me his is " sick " " stay home " . I have done all kinds of

things with the school to help minimize his stress there. So far, honestly we

are still working on it. We have tried transitional items - we send something to

school with Ethan that makes him more comfortable. It changes from week to week

sometimes depending on what he is into. He carries it with him into the building

and has it in his book bag if needed. This seems to be the most effective idea

we have come up with so far.

It is not full proof but it does help.

~

Helping Parents of Children with Apraxia~

www.ethanslifewitha praxia.com

____________ _________ _________ __

From: sherry silvern <srsilvern (DOT) com>

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Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:19:57 PM

Subject: [childrensapraxiane t] damage to school relationship- long

Hi All -

Weird goings-on here in Josh-land. For those who have been online, you probably

remember that I've talked about Josh and his " fight " response (as opposed to the

" flight " response) to sensory stuff/overwhelming sensory input/etc. Josh has

always done that and we/I have always been able to talk to teachers about it and

come up with strategies to minimize it or, in most school years, eliminate it.

It takes time, but it works. This year, there was something that happened during

the Fall and I have yet to find out exactly what it was. Josh had an

extraordinarily difficult time afterward - he was even having nightmares and

getting up in the morning saying " tummy hurt, I stay home, Mommy stay home. "

Obviously something was not right on the school front. I had gotten word from

Josh's bus driver that one of the classroom aides had pulled Josh off the bus

one morning - the principal had come on the bus causing all the kids to bunch up

right by

Josh's seat and, with Josh's space issues and the change in routine, he pulled a

girl's hair. The aide on the bus said he could have handled the whole thing just

fine but the classroom aide jumped on the bus, pulled Josh off, and stood

outside the bus yelling at him face to face. Of course, the principal denied

anything like that happening, and the classroom aide said it simply didn't

happen and he had no problems with Josh. The bus driver, on the other hand, said

she was so upset by it that she was practically in tears by the time she

returned the bus to the garage, and the bus aide said he was so disturbed and

appalled by how the other aide handled things that he was furious. I called a

meeting. I said, by the time the meeting took place, I didn't care what happened

really since there were so many different versions of what happened coming my

way and there was no way to really know. What I did care about was it not

happening again so we

talked about strategies, etc. I also said that the classroom aide should not be

near Josh unless he does something major to change how he deals with my son. The

aide still is working with Josh. The bus driver was pulled off the route. Go

figure.

There was also a conversation with Josh's teacher that I had last Fall where she

said Josh was acting out so much that it took two people to hold him down. Gotta

tell ya, Josh has never acted out like that - never! So my gut was telling me

that they simply didn't have a clue what to do with Josh. We had another meeting

and reviewed strategies, methods, words, trigger words, how to understand

" Josh-speak, " all of that.

School decided it was necessary to do a functional behavior analysis. OK, I'm

all for that, let's work together to come up with a plan and actually write down

the strategies we had discussed and others. My ex and I also said we would take

Josh to a therapist/counselor to see what that private sector professional could

add to the mix. After every session, I would (and still do - the ex has yet to

participate in the sessions) send long emails detailing all the ideas and

suggestions from the counselor - none of them were ever implemented at school -

it was always " well we haven't.... " I take part of that back, school did try one

or two ideas but determined they were not working (OK, Josh processes things in

his own time - a week or two trying a strategy is not enough for Josh to

internalize it and learn it) so stopped doing the couple they tried after only a

couple of attempts.

Holiday break came in - absolutely no more nightmares, Josh did great over the

holiday season, we had tons of fun and did some school work along the way.

School started in January and things were good for a couple of weeks. Then Josh

started with the " tummy hurt " thing again, or his head hurt, or whatever (there

is nothing physically wrong that would cause any of that).

We had our p-t conference two weeks ago. Josh has progressed in math and

literacy skills, but has regressed in social and self-help skills. Hhhmmm...

They also presented us with the functional behavior analysis and behavior plan.

The assessment, from my understanding, was supposed to be across environments -

take into account things from home, sleep patterns, school things, curriculum

things, and so on. Nope. This assessment pretty much said Josh is hitting.

Period. Oh, it did say when and where. Pretty much nothing about all the

circumstances that surround an incident, no mention (that I can recall) in the

analysis of Josh having sensory integration dysfunction and cognitive delays

(along with the apraxia, global dyspraxia, and so on). We finished talking about

the analysis - the ex sucked up and said he was really impressed with the

assessment and thought they did a marvelous job. The plan included different

behaviors that they

wanted to stop and, under each one, a series of methods for dealing with the

behavior. For example, under hitting, there was a continuum from pretty much

saying cut it out, to blocking him from view of the other kids with a movable

baffle (there were also things like holding his hands, to using a " wrong hands "

card that was put on his desk and the baffle put up - you get the idea.) We

talked about some of the various strategies/methods for the various behaviors,

and moved on to another subject (whether to send Josh to jr. h.s. a year early

so he'd be there for 3 years instead of 2 - can help him with the transition and

then the transition to h.s. later but he is pretty immature so the decision is

difficult). We never talked about the last page of the behavior plan. During the

course of the conference, the PT and OT both had constructive input, the school

psych was diplomatic and had good input, the teacher limited her comments to

academic

assessment results, school principal had opinion on jr h.s. (he thinks extra

year would be good for a kid with Josh's particular needs), speech therapist

didn't say a word, and school social worker said a couple of things but I can't

remember what they were.

The ex and I left the conference, went our separate ways, and we both happened

to look at the last page of the plan and were both horrified. The last strategy

was that if staff and teacher believe Josh is a danger or harm to himself or

other kids, they can use " CPI restraints and holds. " OMG!!! If you don't know

what those are, plug that phrase into the search engine. You'll be horrified as

well. So, I went to bridges4kids. org and found a " no-restraint " letter

(wrightslaw has the same letter). I did put in the letter that I didn't think

the assessment was done as fully and adequately as it should have been and, if

the Dist. agreed, it could consider the letter as consent to conduct another

assessment that would include input from the ex and me, and be done across

environments and times. The ex and I both signed it. I mailed the letter to the

heads of special ed for the district and the school principal. (oh, during all

this,

I've been working with the head of special ed to arrange a visit to the jr h.s.

Josh would go to - I started out gung ho on the idea because of the extra

transition time but now I'm really torn on the issue and want to see firsthand

what it would be like; the ex is adamantly opposed because of Josh's maturity

level but has said he doesn't want to be " obstructionist " and would go along

with whatever Josh's teacher and the school psychologist said because " they

would be most objective " - I seem to be getting along fine with the head of

special ed even in light of my no-restraint letter.)

Well, the teacher is now either not communicating with me or is minimally/snippy

in her communications. She wrote on Monday that Josh went to OT/PT (it's a

combined group thing that the ex and I never thought was appropriate for Josh

but couldn't get the Dist to give him what he was supposed to have which was 1:1

OT and 1:1 PT - the 1:1 OT finally started in October - after fighting for

sensory based OT for over a year, and 1:1 PT just started yesterday after the PT

" reluctantly " decided the group thing wasn't working for Josh - duh!), he hit

someone and then laid down on the floor refusing to participate. In the margin

of the notebook, I wrote " How was it handled? " and " What was the activity? " and

another question that I can't remember right now. Her response was " We followed

the behavior plan. " I was livid but calmed down before I wrote back that perhaps

I didn't ask the question properly since the behavior plan shows a continuum of

methods and

I was wondering which method was used, and that I would like to know so that I

can get a better handle on just what Josh's behaviors are and whether the

methods are being successful. She wrote back that if I read the behavior plan it

would show 7 different strategies for dealing with Josh hitting and they have, a

lot of the time, success with method #1 (the least invasive/restrictiv e)

although they use different ones depending on Josh's mood.

So, I thanked her for letting me know, that it means a lot to understand the

situation (as if her response actually answered the question I posed). No

communication from her Wed., yesterday, or today even though there were things

that I had written to her that would have prompted a response (totally not

behavior stuff - a funny thing that happened with Josh, notice that the ex was

picking him up yesterday for a visit, an apology for sending an oversized book

for a book thing they were doing today, wishing a good weekend, that kind of

thing). I'm thinking the relationship with the teacher, what there was of one,

has now gone down the toilet.

Anyone have any suggestions or comments on any of this? I would ask for a

meeting but the state standardized testing is starting on Monday and I know

everyone at school is stressing out about it and I don't think I should add to

the stress level - testing will be over soon enough. I'm really at my wit's end

with all of this so I'm open to all suggestions (including ones that include " go

get a massage and relax! " LOL!)

Thanks for listening!

Sherry and Josh

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I have difficult mornings - it is really hard for me to see Ethan so stressed.

I know it is very hard for him and of course that makes me emotional - I usually

talk about things that we are doing AFTER school. Things he will look forward

to - for example, he likes to make trips to the store with me - he loves his

video games - etc - you get the idea. So, I say things like " well Ethan we are

going to the store after school! If you are sick than you can't go to the

store...silly:) " Or I focus on some of his friends - " don't you want to see

Ellie at school? " " She will be sad if you are not there! " I try to focus on

things that make him happy - some days this does not work at all - especially if

the day before was exceptionally hard on him. These things have helped us

though. I hope that things get better for Josh and for Ethan!

~

Helping Parents of Children with Apraxia~

www.ethanslifewithapraxia.com

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From: sherry silvern <srsilvern@...>

Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:11:46 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] damage to school relationship-laura

Thanks, . Yep, Josh has started talking a lot about the place we lived

before moving to this school district (three years ago!) and his memory is

amazing. When we moved, we took with us a picture book of people he knew from

school, Easter Seals, my office, etc. He's taken to carrying that picture book

with him to school - I think it winds up staying in the backpack but it's like a

" security blanket " for him. There is definitely stress at school but I can't

figure out exactly what is causing it - he loved school last year, loved going

on the bus and everything. This year, I'm not impressed at all with the aides

in his classroom and his teacher tries, I think, but she seems just so nervous

all the time! I can't blame the kid for being stressed out! On the other hand,

what is that doing to his development? ?

What do you say to Ethan when he tells you he's sick? I've got my stock answer

of " I think you'll be fine, let's just get dressed, " blah, blah, blah. (of

course I felt like a terrible mom when, one day, he actually was sick! I got to

my office and school called by 9:15 that he had thrown up!!! talk about feeling

like garbage!)

Sherry

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Humphreys <csljh2000 (DOT) com>

@groups. com

Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 11:46:30 PM

Subject: Re: [childrensapraxiane t] damage to school relationship- long

Sherry:

I hear you loud and clear! We experience similar things with Ethan. He wakes up

in the mornings and tells me his is " sick " " stay home " . I have done all kinds of

things with the school to help minimize his stress there. So far, honestly we

are still working on it. We have tried transitional items - we send something to

school with Ethan that makes him more comfortable. It changes from week to week

sometimes depending on what he is into. He carries it with him into the building

and has it in his book bag if needed. This seems to be the most effective idea

we have come up with so far.

It is not full proof but it does help.

~

Helping Parents of Children with Apraxia~

www.ethanslifewitha praxia.com

____________ _________ _________ __

From: sherry silvern <srsilvern (DOT) com>

@groups. com

Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:19:57 PM

Subject: [childrensapraxiane t] damage to school relationship- long

Hi All -

Weird goings-on here in Josh-land. For those who have been online, you probably

remember that I've talked about Josh and his " fight " response (as opposed to the

" flight " response) to sensory stuff/overwhelming sensory input/etc. Josh has

always done that and we/I have always been able to talk to teachers about it and

come up with strategies to minimize it or, in most school years, eliminate it.

It takes time, but it works. This year, there was something that happened during

the Fall and I have yet to find out exactly what it was. Josh had an

extraordinarily difficult time afterward - he was even having nightmares and

getting up in the morning saying " tummy hurt, I stay home, Mommy stay home. "

Obviously something was not right on the school front. I had gotten word from

Josh's bus driver that one of the classroom aides had pulled Josh off the bus

one morning - the principal had come on the bus causing all the kids to bunch up

right by

Josh's seat and, with Josh's space issues and the change in routine, he pulled a

girl's hair. The aide on the bus said he could have handled the whole thing just

fine but the classroom aide jumped on the bus, pulled Josh off, and stood

outside the bus yelling at him face to face. Of course, the principal denied

anything like that happening, and the classroom aide said it simply didn't

happen and he had no problems with Josh. The bus driver, on the other hand, said

she was so upset by it that she was practically in tears by the time she

returned the bus to the garage, and the bus aide said he was so disturbed and

appalled by how the other aide handled things that he was furious. I called a

meeting. I said, by the time the meeting took place, I didn't care what happened

really since there were so many different versions of what happened coming my

way and there was no way to really know. What I did care about was it not

happening again so we

talked about strategies, etc. I also said that the classroom aide should not be

near Josh unless he does something major to change how he deals with my son. The

aide still is working with Josh. The bus driver was pulled off the route. Go

figure.

There was also a conversation with Josh's teacher that I had last Fall where she

said Josh was acting out so much that it took two people to hold him down. Gotta

tell ya, Josh has never acted out like that - never! So my gut was telling me

that they simply didn't have a clue what to do with Josh. We had another meeting

and reviewed strategies, methods, words, trigger words, how to understand

" Josh-speak, " all of that.

School decided it was necessary to do a functional behavior analysis. OK, I'm

all for that, let's work together to come up with a plan and actually write down

the strategies we had discussed and others. My ex and I also said we would take

Josh to a therapist/counselor to see what that private sector professional could

add to the mix. After every session, I would (and still do - the ex has yet to

participate in the sessions) send long emails detailing all the ideas and

suggestions from the counselor - none of them were ever implemented at school -

it was always " well we haven't.... " I take part of that back, school did try one

or two ideas but determined they were not working (OK, Josh processes things in

his own time - a week or two trying a strategy is not enough for Josh to

internalize it and learn it) so stopped doing the couple they tried after only a

couple of attempts.

Holiday break came in - absolutely no more nightmares, Josh did great over the

holiday season, we had tons of fun and did some school work along the way.

School started in January and things were good for a couple of weeks. Then Josh

started with the " tummy hurt " thing again, or his head hurt, or whatever (there

is nothing physically wrong that would cause any of that).

We had our p-t conference two weeks ago. Josh has progressed in math and

literacy skills, but has regressed in social and self-help skills. Hhhmmm...

They also presented us with the functional behavior analysis and behavior plan.

The assessment, from my understanding, was supposed to be across environments -

take into account things from home, sleep patterns, school things, curriculum

things, and so on. Nope. This assessment pretty much said Josh is hitting.

Period. Oh, it did say when and where. Pretty much nothing about all the

circumstances that surround an incident, no mention (that I can recall) in the

analysis of Josh having sensory integration dysfunction and cognitive delays

(along with the apraxia, global dyspraxia, and so on). We finished talking about

the analysis - the ex sucked up and said he was really impressed with the

assessment and thought they did a marvelous job. The plan included different

behaviors that they

wanted to stop and, under each one, a series of methods for dealing with the

behavior. For example, under hitting, there was a continuum from pretty much

saying cut it out, to blocking him from view of the other kids with a movable

baffle (there were also things like holding his hands, to using a " wrong hands "

card that was put on his desk and the baffle put up - you get the idea.) We

talked about some of the various strategies/methods for the various behaviors,

and moved on to another subject (whether to send Josh to jr. h.s. a year early

so he'd be there for 3 years instead of 2 - can help him with the transition and

then the transition to h.s. later but he is pretty immature so the decision is

difficult). We never talked about the last page of the behavior plan. During the

course of the conference, the PT and OT both had constructive input, the school

psych was diplomatic and had good input, the teacher limited her comments to

academic

assessment results, school principal had opinion on jr h.s. (he thinks extra

year would be good for a kid with Josh's particular needs), speech therapist

didn't say a word, and school social worker said a couple of things but I can't

remember what they were.

The ex and I left the conference, went our separate ways, and we both happened

to look at the last page of the plan and were both horrified. The last strategy

was that if staff and teacher believe Josh is a danger or harm to himself or

other kids, they can use " CPI restraints and holds. " OMG!!! If you don't know

what those are, plug that phrase into the search engine. You'll be horrified as

well. So, I went to bridges4kids. org and found a " no-restraint " letter

(wrightslaw has the same letter). I did put in the letter that I didn't think

the assessment was done as fully and adequately as it should have been and, if

the Dist. agreed, it could consider the letter as consent to conduct another

assessment that would include input from the ex and me, and be done across

environments and times. The ex and I both signed it. I mailed the letter to the

heads of special ed for the district and the school principal. (oh, during all

this,

I've been working with the head of special ed to arrange a visit to the jr h.s.

Josh would go to - I started out gung ho on the idea because of the extra

transition time but now I'm really torn on the issue and want to see firsthand

what it would be like; the ex is adamantly opposed because of Josh's maturity

level but has said he doesn't want to be " obstructionist " and would go along

with whatever Josh's teacher and the school psychologist said because " they

would be most objective " - I seem to be getting along fine with the head of

special ed even in light of my no-restraint letter.)

Well, the teacher is now either not communicating with me or is minimally/snippy

in her communications. She wrote on Monday that Josh went to OT/PT (it's a

combined group thing that the ex and I never thought was appropriate for Josh

but couldn't get the Dist to give him what he was supposed to have which was 1:1

OT and 1:1 PT - the 1:1 OT finally started in October - after fighting for

sensory based OT for over a year, and 1:1 PT just started yesterday after the PT

" reluctantly " decided the group thing wasn't working for Josh - duh!), he hit

someone and then laid down on the floor refusing to participate. In the margin

of the notebook, I wrote " How was it handled? " and " What was the activity? " and

another question that I can't remember right now. Her response was " We followed

the behavior plan. " I was livid but calmed down before I wrote back that perhaps

I didn't ask the question properly since the behavior plan shows a continuum of

methods and

I was wondering which method was used, and that I would like to know so that I

can get a better handle on just what Josh's behaviors are and whether the

methods are being successful. She wrote back that if I read the behavior plan it

would show 7 different strategies for dealing with Josh hitting and they have, a

lot of the time, success with method #1 (the least invasive/restrictiv e)

although they use different ones depending on Josh's mood.

So, I thanked her for letting me know, that it means a lot to understand the

situation (as if her response actually answered the question I posed). No

communication from her Wed., yesterday, or today even though there were things

that I had written to her that would have prompted a response (totally not

behavior stuff - a funny thing that happened with Josh, notice that the ex was

picking him up yesterday for a visit, an apology for sending an oversized book

for a book thing they were doing today, wishing a good weekend, that kind of

thing). I'm thinking the relationship with the teacher, what there was of one,

has now gone down the toilet.

Anyone have any suggestions or comments on any of this? I would ask for a

meeting but the state standardized testing is starting on Monday and I know

everyone at school is stressing out about it and I don't think I should add to

the stress level - testing will be over soon enough. I'm really at my wit's end

with all of this so I'm open to all suggestions (including ones that include " go

get a massage and relax! " LOL!)

Thanks for listening!

Sherry and Josh

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Sherry,

I do not think you should " pass off " or ignore your son's cries for

help. Something is really wrong at this school andin hs class. If the

teacher is " nervous " as you say, then perhaps she is not happy with the

aides and knows not what to do.

Your son is trying to tell you the best way he knows how that something

is bad wrong. Please listen....for your son's sake.:(

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Hi -

Oh, I absolutely agree that Josh is telling me, in his way, that something is

really wrong!  when a kid doesn't want to go to school after previously loving

it, and when he's afraid to get off the school bus at school, and when he has

nightmares (although those, thank goodness, have ended since the winter

holidays), something is really wrong.  When I tried to get a meeting with the

head of special ed at the time Josh was having the nightmares, etc., I received

no response except they would try to get a meeting together - well, nothing

happened before the holidays and then the holidays came in and things got better

for Josh (not dealing with whatever the stressors were in school and, I should

add, after I lit into my ex for consistently canceling visits which was not, in

my opinion, helping anything, and the ex started at least coming for his visits

again).  Something is not right still since he's still saying he has a tummy

ache, or his ankle hurts,

or his head hurts, etc., etc.  I am listening, believe me, and that's why I'm

pushing the school.  I had rather hoped to maintain a relationship with the

teacher through all this and that appears to not be happening.  I am going to

visit the jr h.s. on Monday (next) with the head of special ed - and I intend to

make mention of the status of things at that time.  She had suggested we have a

meeting to discuss concerns over the " CPI restraints and holds " and she has yet

to get back to me about that - I wonder if she is going to spring that on me at

the visit to the jr h.s.

thanks,

Sherry and Josh

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Sherry,

I do not think you should " pass off " or ignore your son's cries for

help. Something is really wrong at this school andin hs class. If the

teacher is " nervous " as you say, then perhaps she is not happy with the

aides and knows not what to do.

Your son is trying to tell you the best way he knows how that something

is bad wrong. Please listen....for your son's sake.:(

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Yep, I try to focus on the fun things he'll do at school - like today, on

Mondays, he has music and gym and he adores both of those teachers so I focus on

those.  And, I always put a note in his lunchbox (that i can only hope is being

read to him since he is not reading yet - something else I've been concerned

about since he's going to be 11yo!) asking how his day is going and, like today,

how was music, or whatever.  I'm just glad that the classroom aide he has the

problems with is not the one that does lunch with him (at least as far as I know

- Josh always talks about one of the other aides that he really does well with

as being with him for lunch).

Thanks!

Sherry and Josh

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From: Humphreys <csljh2000@...>

Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 10:23:26 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] damage to school relationship-laura

I have difficult mornings - it is really hard for me to see Ethan so stressed. I

know it is very hard for him and of course that makes me emotional - I usually

talk about things that we are doing AFTER school. Things he will look forward to

- for example, he likes to make trips to the store with me - he loves his video

games - etc - you get the idea. So, I say things like " well Ethan we are going

to the store after school! If you are sick than you can't go to the

store...silly: ) " Or I focus on some of his friends - " don't you want to see

Ellie at school? " " She will be sad if you are not there! " I try to focus on

things that make him happy - some days this does not work at all - especially if

the day before was exceptionally hard on him. These things have helped us

though. I hope that things get better for Josh and for Ethan!

~

Helping Parents of Children with Apraxia~

www.ethanslifewitha praxia.com

____________ _________ _________ __

From: sherry silvern <srsilvern (DOT) com>

@groups. com

Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:11:46 PM

Subject: Re: [childrensapraxiane t] damage to school relationship- laura

Thanks, . Yep, Josh has started talking a lot about the place we lived

before moving to this school district (three years ago!) and his memory is

amazing. When we moved, we took with us a picture book of people he knew from

school, Easter Seals, my office, etc. He's taken to carrying that picture book

with him to school - I think it winds up staying in the backpack but it's like a

" security blanket " for him. There is definitely stress at school but I can't

figure out exactly what is causing it - he loved school last year, loved going

on the bus and everything. This year, I'm not impressed at all with the aides in

his classroom and his teacher tries, I think, but she seems just so nervous all

the time! I can't blame the kid for being stressed out! On the other hand, what

is that doing to his development? ?

What do you say to Ethan when he tells you he's sick? I've got my stock answer

of " I think you'll be fine, let's just get dressed, " blah, blah, blah. (of

course I felt like a terrible mom when, one day, he actually was sick! I got to

my office and school called by 9:15 that he had thrown up!!! talk about feeling

like garbage!)

Sherry

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From: Humphreys <csljh2000 (DOT) com>

@groups. com

Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 11:46:30 PM

Subject: Re: [childrensapraxiane t] damage to school relationship- long

Sherry:

I hear you loud and clear! We experience similar things with Ethan. He wakes up

in the mornings and tells me his is " sick " " stay home " . I have done all kinds of

things with the school to help minimize his stress there. So far, honestly we

are still working on it. We have tried transitional items - we send something to

school with Ethan that makes him more comfortable. It changes from week to week

sometimes depending on what he is into. He carries it with him into the building

and has it in his book bag if needed. This seems to be the most effective idea

we have come up with so far.

It is not full proof but it does help.

~

Helping Parents of Children with Apraxia~

www.ethanslifewitha praxia.com

____________ _________ _________ __

From: sherry silvern <srsilvern (DOT) com>

@groups. com

Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:19:57 PM

Subject: [childrensapraxiane t] damage to school relationship- long

Hi All -

Weird goings-on here in Josh-land. For those who have been online, you probably

remember that I've talked about Josh and his " fight " response (as opposed to the

" flight " response) to sensory stuff/overwhelming sensory input/etc. Josh has

always done that and we/I have always been able to talk to teachers about it and

come up with strategies to minimize it or, in most school years, eliminate it.

It takes time, but it works. This year, there was something that happened during

the Fall and I have yet to find out exactly what it was. Josh had an

extraordinarily difficult time afterward - he was even having nightmares and

getting up in the morning saying " tummy hurt, I stay home, Mommy stay home. "

Obviously something was not right on the school front. I had gotten word from

Josh's bus driver that one of the classroom aides had pulled Josh off the bus

one morning - the principal had come on the bus causing all the kids to bunch up

right by

Josh's seat and, with Josh's space issues and the change in routine, he pulled a

girl's hair. The aide on the bus said he could have handled the whole thing just

fine but the classroom aide jumped on the bus, pulled Josh off, and stood

outside the bus yelling at him face to face. Of course, the principal denied

anything like that happening, and the classroom aide said it simply didn't

happen and he had no problems with Josh. The bus driver, on the other hand, said

she was so upset by it that she was practically in tears by the time she

returned the bus to the garage, and the bus aide said he was so disturbed and

appalled by how the other aide handled things that he was furious. I called a

meeting. I said, by the time the meeting took place, I didn't care what happened

really since there were so many different versions of what happened coming my

way and there was no way to really know. What I did care about was it not

happening again so we

talked about strategies, etc. I also said that the classroom aide should not be

near Josh unless he does something major to change how he deals with my son. The

aide still is working with Josh. The bus driver was pulled off the route. Go

figure.

There was also a conversation with Josh's teacher that I had last Fall where she

said Josh was acting out so much that it took two people to hold him down. Gotta

tell ya, Josh has never acted out like that - never! So my gut was telling me

that they simply didn't have a clue what to do with Josh. We had another meeting

and reviewed strategies, methods, words, trigger words, how to understand

" Josh-speak, " all of that.

School decided it was necessary to do a functional behavior analysis. OK, I'm

all for that, let's work together to come up with a plan and actually write down

the strategies we had discussed and others. My ex and I also said we would take

Josh to a therapist/counselor to see what that private sector professional could

add to the mix. After every session, I would (and still do - the ex has yet to

participate in the sessions) send long emails detailing all the ideas and

suggestions from the counselor - none of them were ever implemented at school -

it was always " well we haven't.... " I take part of that back, school did try one

or two ideas but determined they were not working (OK, Josh processes things in

his own time - a week or two trying a strategy is not enough for Josh to

internalize it and learn it) so stopped doing the couple they tried after only a

couple of attempts.

Holiday break came in - absolutely no more nightmares, Josh did great over the

holiday season, we had tons of fun and did some school work along the way.

School started in January and things were good for a couple of weeks. Then Josh

started with the " tummy hurt " thing again, or his head hurt, or whatever (there

is nothing physically wrong that would cause any of that).

We had our p-t conference two weeks ago. Josh has progressed in math and

literacy skills, but has regressed in social and self-help skills. Hhhmmm...

They also presented us with the functional behavior analysis and behavior plan.

The assessment, from my understanding, was supposed to be across environments -

take into account things from home, sleep patterns, school things, curriculum

things, and so on. Nope. This assessment pretty much said Josh is hitting.

Period. Oh, it did say when and where. Pretty much nothing about all the

circumstances that surround an incident, no mention (that I can recall) in the

analysis of Josh having sensory integration dysfunction and cognitive delays

(along with the apraxia, global dyspraxia, and so on). We finished talking about

the analysis - the ex sucked up and said he was really impressed with the

assessment and thought they did a marvelous job. The plan included different

behaviors that they

wanted to stop and, under each one, a series of methods for dealing with the

behavior. For example, under hitting, there was a continuum from pretty much

saying cut it out, to blocking him from view of the other kids with a movable

baffle (there were also things like holding his hands, to using a " wrong hands "

card that was put on his desk and the baffle put up - you get the idea.) We

talked about some of the various strategies/methods for the various behaviors,

and moved on to another subject (whether to send Josh to jr. h.s. a year early

so he'd be there for 3 years instead of 2 - can help him with the transition and

then the transition to h.s. later but he is pretty immature so the decision is

difficult). We never talked about the last page of the behavior plan. During the

course of the conference, the PT and OT both had constructive input, the school

psych was diplomatic and had good input, the teacher limited her comments to

academic

assessment results, school principal had opinion on jr h.s. (he thinks extra

year would be good for a kid with Josh's particular needs), speech therapist

didn't say a word, and school social worker said a couple of things but I can't

remember what they were.

The ex and I left the conference, went our separate ways, and we both happened

to look at the last page of the plan and were both horrified. The last strategy

was that if staff and teacher believe Josh is a danger or harm to himself or

other kids, they can use " CPI restraints and holds. " OMG!!! If you don't know

what those are, plug that phrase into the search engine. You'll be horrified as

well. So, I went to bridges4kids. org and found a " no-restraint " letter

(wrightslaw has the same letter). I did put in the letter that I didn't think

the assessment was done as fully and adequately as it should have been and, if

the Dist. agreed, it could consider the letter as consent to conduct another

assessment that would include input from the ex and me, and be done across

environments and times. The ex and I both signed it. I mailed the letter to the

heads of special ed for the district and the school principal. (oh, during all

this,

I've been working with the head of special ed to arrange a visit to the jr h.s.

Josh would go to - I started out gung ho on the idea because of the extra

transition time but now I'm really torn on the issue and want to see firsthand

what it would be like; the ex is adamantly opposed because of Josh's maturity

level but has said he doesn't want to be " obstructionist " and would go along

with whatever Josh's teacher and the school psychologist said because " they

would be most objective " - I seem to be getting along fine with the head of

special ed even in light of my no-restraint letter.)

Well, the teacher is now either not communicating with me or is minimally/snippy

in her communications. She wrote on Monday that Josh went to OT/PT (it's a

combined group thing that the ex and I never thought was appropriate for Josh

but couldn't get the Dist to give him what he was supposed to have which was 1:1

OT and 1:1 PT - the 1:1 OT finally started in October - after fighting for

sensory based OT for over a year, and 1:1 PT just started yesterday after the PT

" reluctantly " decided the group thing wasn't working for Josh - duh!), he hit

someone and then laid down on the floor refusing to participate. In the margin

of the notebook, I wrote " How was it handled? " and " What was the activity? " and

another question that I can't remember right now. Her response was " We followed

the behavior plan. " I was livid but calmed down before I wrote back that perhaps

I didn't ask the question properly since the behavior plan shows a continuum of

methods and

I was wondering which method was used, and that I would like to know so that I

can get a better handle on just what Josh's behaviors are and whether the

methods are being successful. She wrote back that if I read the behavior plan it

would show 7 different strategies for dealing with Josh hitting and they have, a

lot of the time, success with method #1 (the least invasive/restrictiv e)

although they use different ones depending on Josh's mood.

So, I thanked her for letting me know, that it means a lot to understand the

situation (as if her response actually answered the question I posed). No

communication from her Wed., yesterday, or today even though there were things

that I had written to her that would have prompted a response (totally not

behavior stuff - a funny thing that happened with Josh, notice that the ex was

picking him up yesterday for a visit, an apology for sending an oversized book

for a book thing they were doing today, wishing a good weekend, that kind of

thing). I'm thinking the relationship with the teacher, what there was of one,

has now gone down the toilet.

Anyone have any suggestions or comments on any of this? I would ask for a

meeting but the state standardized testing is starting on Monday and I know

everyone at school is stressing out about it and I don't think I should add to

the stress level - testing will be over soon enough. I'm really at my wit's end

with all of this so I'm open to all suggestions (including ones that include " go

get a massage and relax! " LOL!)

Thanks for listening!

Sherry and Josh

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Sherry,

How old is Josh? And I am assuming that he now has understandable

speech since he can voice aches and pains to you?

Just sit down with him and tell him to be honest with you what is

happening at school. Ask him if he has been threatened by teachers,

aides or kids. Tell him you won't blame him if he is honest. My guess

is that he is fearful of having to return to school AFTER he tells you.

Are you able to take him out of this school thevery day he tells you

what really is happening? If you ca, then tell him he will never have

to return here to this school if he tells you some extreme

circumstances, which will necessitate his withdrawal. My guess is he

has been instilled with fear that " his parents won't believe him. "

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It sounds like we are experiencing similar situations. There are days that

things go great - and the days that I am at war with myself over what to do. I

know I can't go into the school screaming like I want to sometimes - and I

realize that we all are human - BUT - I also know my son needs to be comfortable

with his surroundings to get the most out of school. If you are always ready to

run - if everything is so difficult then you shut down. I worry about that!

Then I do the same thing you are - ask for help!!!! I do believe that people

make the difference though - last year we did not have these issues. How we

approach learning with him - makes all the difference in the world.

~

Helping Parents of Children with Apraxia~

www.ethanslifewithapraxia.com

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From: sherry silvern <srsilvern@...>

Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 12:53:20 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] damage to school relationship-laura

Yep, I try to focus on the fun things he'll do at school - like today, on

Mondays, he has music and gym and he adores both of those teachers so I focus on

those. And, I always put a note in his lunchbox (that i can only hope is being

read to him since he is not reading yet - something else I've been concerned

about since he's going to be 11yo!) asking how his day is going and, like today,

how was music, or whatever. I'm just glad that the classroom aide he has the

problems with is not the one that does lunch with him (at least as far as I know

- Josh always talks about one of the other aides that he really does well with

as being with him for lunch).

Thanks!

Sherry and Josh

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From: Humphreys <csljh2000 (DOT) com>

@groups. com

Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 10:23:26 PM

Subject: Re: [childrensapraxiane t] damage to school relationship- laura

I have difficult mornings - it is really hard for me to see Ethan so stressed. I

know it is very hard for him and of course that makes me emotional - I usually

talk about things that we are doing AFTER school. Things he will look forward to

- for example, he likes to make trips to the store with me - he loves his video

games - etc - you get the idea. So, I say things like " well Ethan we are going

to the store after school! If you are sick than you can't go to the

store...silly: ) " Or I focus on some of his friends - " don't you want to see

Ellie at school? " " She will be sad if you are not there! " I try to focus on

things that make him happy - some days this does not work at all - especially if

the day before was exceptionally hard on him. These things have helped us

though. I hope that things get better for Josh and for Ethan!

~

Helping Parents of Children with Apraxia~

www.ethanslifewitha praxia.com

____________ _________ _________ __

From: sherry silvern <srsilvern (DOT) com>

@groups. com

Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:11:46 PM

Subject: Re: [childrensapraxiane t] damage to school relationship- laura

Thanks, . Yep, Josh has started talking a lot about the place we lived

before moving to this school district (three years ago!) and his memory is

amazing. When we moved, we took with us a picture book of people he knew from

school, Easter Seals, my office, etc. He's taken to carrying that picture book

with him to school - I think it winds up staying in the backpack but it's like a

" security blanket " for him. There is definitely stress at school but I can't

figure out exactly what is causing it - he loved school last year, loved going

on the bus and everything. This year, I'm not impressed at all with the aides in

his classroom and his teacher tries, I think, but she seems just so nervous all

the time! I can't blame the kid for being stressed out! On the other hand, what

is that doing to his development? ?

What do you say to Ethan when he tells you he's sick? I've got my stock answer

of " I think you'll be fine, let's just get dressed, " blah, blah, blah. (of

course I felt like a terrible mom when, one day, he actually was sick! I got to

my office and school called by 9:15 that he had thrown up!!! talk about feeling

like garbage!)

Sherry

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From: Humphreys <csljh2000 (DOT) com>

@groups. com

Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 11:46:30 PM

Subject: Re: [childrensapraxiane t] damage to school relationship- long

Sherry:

I hear you loud and clear! We experience similar things with Ethan. He wakes up

in the mornings and tells me his is " sick " " stay home " . I have done all kinds of

things with the school to help minimize his stress there. So far, honestly we

are still working on it. We have tried transitional items - we send something to

school with Ethan that makes him more comfortable. It changes from week to week

sometimes depending on what he is into. He carries it with him into the building

and has it in his book bag if needed. This seems to be the most effective idea

we have come up with so far.

It is not full proof but it does help.

~

Helping Parents of Children with Apraxia~

www.ethanslifewitha praxia.com

____________ _________ _________ __

From: sherry silvern <srsilvern (DOT) com>

@groups. com

Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:19:57 PM

Subject: [childrensapraxiane t] damage to school relationship- long

Hi All -

Weird goings-on here in Josh-land. For those who have been online, you probably

remember that I've talked about Josh and his " fight " response (as opposed to the

" flight " response) to sensory stuff/overwhelming sensory input/etc. Josh has

always done that and we/I have always been able to talk to teachers about it and

come up with strategies to minimize it or, in most school years, eliminate it.

It takes time, but it works. This year, there was something that happened during

the Fall and I have yet to find out exactly what it was. Josh had an

extraordinarily difficult time afterward - he was even having nightmares and

getting up in the morning saying " tummy hurt, I stay home, Mommy stay home. "

Obviously something was not right on the school front. I had gotten word from

Josh's bus driver that one of the classroom aides had pulled Josh off the bus

one morning - the principal had come on the bus causing all the kids to bunch up

right by

Josh's seat and, with Josh's space issues and the change in routine, he pulled a

girl's hair. The aide on the bus said he could have handled the whole thing just

fine but the classroom aide jumped on the bus, pulled Josh off, and stood

outside the bus yelling at him face to face. Of course, the principal denied

anything like that happening, and the classroom aide said it simply didn't

happen and he had no problems with Josh. The bus driver, on the other hand, said

she was so upset by it that she was practically in tears by the time she

returned the bus to the garage, and the bus aide said he was so disturbed and

appalled by how the other aide handled things that he was furious. I called a

meeting. I said, by the time the meeting took place, I didn't care what happened

really since there were so many different versions of what happened coming my

way and there was no way to really know. What I did care about was it not

happening again so we

talked about strategies, etc. I also said that the classroom aide should not be

near Josh unless he does something major to change how he deals with my son. The

aide still is working with Josh. The bus driver was pulled off the route. Go

figure.

There was also a conversation with Josh's teacher that I had last Fall where she

said Josh was acting out so much that it took two people to hold him down. Gotta

tell ya, Josh has never acted out like that - never! So my gut was telling me

that they simply didn't have a clue what to do with Josh. We had another meeting

and reviewed strategies, methods, words, trigger words, how to understand

" Josh-speak, " all of that.

School decided it was necessary to do a functional behavior analysis. OK, I'm

all for that, let's work together to come up with a plan and actually write down

the strategies we had discussed and others. My ex and I also said we would take

Josh to a therapist/counselor to see what that private sector professional could

add to the mix. After every session, I would (and still do - the ex has yet to

participate in the sessions) send long emails detailing all the ideas and

suggestions from the counselor - none of them were ever implemented at school -

it was always " well we haven't.... " I take part of that back, school did try one

or two ideas but determined they were not working (OK, Josh processes things in

his own time - a week or two trying a strategy is not enough for Josh to

internalize it and learn it) so stopped doing the couple they tried after only a

couple of attempts.

Holiday break came in - absolutely no more nightmares, Josh did great over the

holiday season, we had tons of fun and did some school work along the way.

School started in January and things were good for a couple of weeks. Then Josh

started with the " tummy hurt " thing again, or his head hurt, or whatever (there

is nothing physically wrong that would cause any of that).

We had our p-t conference two weeks ago. Josh has progressed in math and

literacy skills, but has regressed in social and self-help skills. Hhhmmm...

They also presented us with the functional behavior analysis and behavior plan.

The assessment, from my understanding, was supposed to be across environments -

take into account things from home, sleep patterns, school things, curriculum

things, and so on. Nope. This assessment pretty much said Josh is hitting.

Period. Oh, it did say when and where. Pretty much nothing about all the

circumstances that surround an incident, no mention (that I can recall) in the

analysis of Josh having sensory integration dysfunction and cognitive delays

(along with the apraxia, global dyspraxia, and so on). We finished talking about

the analysis - the ex sucked up and said he was really impressed with the

assessment and thought they did a marvelous job. The plan included different

behaviors that they

wanted to stop and, under each one, a series of methods for dealing with the

behavior. For example, under hitting, there was a continuum from pretty much

saying cut it out, to blocking him from view of the other kids with a movable

baffle (there were also things like holding his hands, to using a " wrong hands "

card that was put on his desk and the baffle put up - you get the idea.) We

talked about some of the various strategies/methods for the various behaviors,

and moved on to another subject (whether to send Josh to jr. h.s. a year early

so he'd be there for 3 years instead of 2 - can help him with the transition and

then the transition to h.s. later but he is pretty immature so the decision is

difficult). We never talked about the last page of the behavior plan. During the

course of the conference, the PT and OT both had constructive input, the school

psych was diplomatic and had good input, the teacher limited her comments to

academic

assessment results, school principal had opinion on jr h.s. (he thinks extra

year would be good for a kid with Josh's particular needs), speech therapist

didn't say a word, and school social worker said a couple of things but I can't

remember what they were.

The ex and I left the conference, went our separate ways, and we both happened

to look at the last page of the plan and were both horrified. The last strategy

was that if staff and teacher believe Josh is a danger or harm to himself or

other kids, they can use " CPI restraints and holds. " OMG!!! If you don't know

what those are, plug that phrase into the search engine. You'll be horrified as

well. So, I went to bridges4kids. org and found a " no-restraint " letter

(wrightslaw has the same letter). I did put in the letter that I didn't think

the assessment was done as fully and adequately as it should have been and, if

the Dist. agreed, it could consider the letter as consent to conduct another

assessment that would include input from the ex and me, and be done across

environments and times. The ex and I both signed it. I mailed the letter to the

heads of special ed for the district and the school principal. (oh, during all

this,

I've been working with the head of special ed to arrange a visit to the jr h.s.

Josh would go to - I started out gung ho on the idea because of the extra

transition time but now I'm really torn on the issue and want to see firsthand

what it would be like; the ex is adamantly opposed because of Josh's maturity

level but has said he doesn't want to be " obstructionist " and would go along

with whatever Josh's teacher and the school psychologist said because " they

would be most objective " - I seem to be getting along fine with the head of

special ed even in light of my no-restraint letter.)

Well, the teacher is now either not communicating with me or is minimally/snippy

in her communications. She wrote on Monday that Josh went to OT/PT (it's a

combined group thing that the ex and I never thought was appropriate for Josh

but couldn't get the Dist to give him what he was supposed to have which was 1:1

OT and 1:1 PT - the 1:1 OT finally started in October - after fighting for

sensory based OT for over a year, and 1:1 PT just started yesterday after the PT

" reluctantly " decided the group thing wasn't working for Josh - duh!), he hit

someone and then laid down on the floor refusing to participate. In the margin

of the notebook, I wrote " How was it handled? " and " What was the activity? " and

another question that I can't remember right now. Her response was " We followed

the behavior plan. " I was livid but calmed down before I wrote back that perhaps

I didn't ask the question properly since the behavior plan shows a continuum of

methods and

I was wondering which method was used, and that I would like to know so that I

can get a better handle on just what Josh's behaviors are and whether the

methods are being successful. She wrote back that if I read the behavior plan it

would show 7 different strategies for dealing with Josh hitting and they have, a

lot of the time, success with method #1 (the least invasive/restrictiv e)

although they use different ones depending on Josh's mood.

So, I thanked her for letting me know, that it means a lot to understand the

situation (as if her response actually answered the question I posed). No

communication from her Wed., yesterday, or today even though there were things

that I had written to her that would have prompted a response (totally not

behavior stuff - a funny thing that happened with Josh, notice that the ex was

picking him up yesterday for a visit, an apology for sending an oversized book

for a book thing they were doing today, wishing a good weekend, that kind of

thing). I'm thinking the relationship with the teacher, what there was of one,

has now gone down the toilet.

Anyone have any suggestions or comments on any of this? I would ask for a

meeting but the state standardized testing is starting on Monday and I know

everyone at school is stressing out about it and I don't think I should add to

the stress level - testing will be over soon enough. I'm really at my wit's end

with all of this so I'm open to all suggestions (including ones that include " go

get a massage and relax! " LOL!)

Thanks for listening!

Sherry and Josh

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