Re: Fish Oil and Bleeding

[Guest guest]

You should have his clotting factors tested. My son is on fish oil

and a pretty high dose of vitamin E (thanks to ). It's done

wonders for us. I told his DAN! doctor about it and we had his

clotting tested to make sure it was not having a negative effect. His

clotting was fine. There might be something else causing this.

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> I just wanted to let you all know since some of you are proponents

of using fish oil (and I was too) that it can cause bleeding time to

be longer. It says it in most of the literature you read. I have a

six year old son with Apraxia and I was using Nordic naturals complete

omega 369 liquid. 1/2 teaspoon in applesauce at lunch and the same at

dinner. He cut the tips of his fingers last week in three places and

I noticed it took a really long time to clot. Then in school he

pulled off the bandaid and reopened one of the cuts. The nurse said

it also took a really long time to clot. I remember once two years

ago I took him to the doctor and they pricked his finger to take blood

to test the iron, and at that time too it took a long time to clot. I

called my pediatrician who is a homeopathic Dr. And knows ALOT about

supplements. He told me to take my son off the fish oil immediately

and gave me the name of a hemotologist. I'm just letting you all know

that there is a possibility that this can happen.

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[Guest guest]

Fish oil is a natural blood thinner. That is why it takes a little

longer for the clotting and it makes it seem like they are bleeding

more. I know many peole who have been told to start fish oil just

for that reason (especially older people.) I'm interested to know

what the Dr. says...I hope he is able to continue on the fish oil.

Carnell

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> I just wanted to let you all know since some of you are proponents

of using fish oil (and I was too) that it can cause bleeding time to

be longer. It says it in most of the literature you read. I have a

six year old son with Apraxia and I was using Nordic naturals

complete omega 369 liquid. 1/2 teaspoon in applesauce at lunch and

the same at dinner. He cut the tips of his fingers last week in

three places and I noticed it took a really long time to clot. Then

in school he pulled off the bandaid and reopened one of the cuts.

The nurse said it also took a really long time to clot. I remember

once two years ago I took him to the doctor and they pricked his

finger to take blood to test the iron, and at that time too it took a

long time to clot. I called my pediatrician who is a homeopathic Dr.

And knows ALOT about supplements. He told me to take my son off the

fish oil immediately and gave me the name of a hemotologist. I'm

just letting you all know that there is a possibility that this can

happen.

>

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[Guest guest]

is correct in that fish oil is a 'natural' blood thinner- in

that way it doesn't work like man made aspirin. Like me has

been part of this group for close to a decade ( were you here

for 8 or 10 years now?) and through the years it is RARE for anyone to

notice what you are seeing Dina. In addition most of this group is

made up of parents of boys -and as we know they are not the ones to go

through life delicately in most cases. The dosage you are using,

around 2 capsules a day -is about double the dosage of what the FDA

approved for infant formula -so very conservative. Many of us have

our children on higher dosages and still don't see what you are seeing.

The advice you were given was the best in that fish oil or not you

need to get your child tested by a hemotologist -soon.

I was never on fish oil as a child but was tested many times for

bleeding issues because I was the one that would not stop bleeding

-bruise super easily etc. I was put on vitamin K and diagnosed with

anemia and I remember forced to eat liver (!!) This continued through

to my adult years -not the liver part but the easy to bruise / bleeding

part. The bruises I'd get were horrific -and the worst part is I

never knew were they were from! In fact many were afraid when I was

pregnant -especially my doctor friends and I again went for many tests

which were all negative. Interestingly enough -and this is documented

-I take around 4-5 capsules of fish oils daily now for years, at least

5 years, and bleeding nor bruising is no longer an issue -strange but true.

Here's more on fish oil and bleeding from Stoll MD of Harvard

Medical School who wrote the book The Omega 3 Connection

" The heart-protecting ability of the EPA to reduce the stickiness of

platelets and decrease the formation of blood clots is one of the

EPA's most important health benefits. However, this ability to reduce

the formation of potentially fatal clots within blood vessels has

often been misunderstood and has raised concerns that omega-3 fatty

acids could cause bleeding to occur in the body. This concern

presumably arises because aspirin, which also decreases platelet

aggregation and blood clotting, is known to cause occasional abnormal

bleeding. In fact, no cases of bleeding from EPA or omega-3s have

ever been documented. Supporting the safety of the omega -3 fatty

acids is a study where participants receiving a high dosage of omega-3

fatty acids underwent either angioplasty or unsuccessful angioplasty

followed by coronary arty bypass surgery. These cardiac procedures

and surgery may cause substantial blood loss, yet the patients

receiving omega -3 fatty acids suffered no excessive bleeding.

Understanding the difference between aspirin and EPA at the level of

the platelet illustrates the beauty of nature's balance of the omega-3

and omega-6 fatty acids and why EPA is unlikely to lead to abnormal

bleeding. Aspirin causes a nearly complete and permanent block of the

platelets' ability to aggregate and form clots. The action of

aspirin lasts for the life of the platelet, and because it is so

complete, aspirin can cause abnormal bleeding. This is why aspirin

should not be taken before surgery or in pregnancy unless specifically

prescribed. EPA on the other hand causes only partial and time-

limited reduction in platelet's ability to form clots. Recent

research has shown that even a 17 gram dose of EPA (omega 3) produces

a reversible inhibition of the platelet aggregation of between 40 and

60 percent. Compare this partial action of the huge dosage of EPA to

the 99.9 percent irreversible inhibition of platelet function by a

quarter tablet of aspirin. Aspirin causes and all-or-none action,

which can cause problems in susceptible people. In contrast, EPA and

it's eicosanoid derivatives promote a state of health by preserving

the normal ability of the boy to stop bleeding, while competing with

and limiting the ability of the arachidonic acid (omega-6-derived

eicosanoid) to cause abnormal clotting within blood within blood

vessels. "

The Omega-3 Connection: The Groundbreaking Omega-3 Antidepressant Diet

and Brain Program

By L Stoll, M.D.

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[Guest guest]

Hi -

I spoke with the hemotologist on the phone. He said that fish oil in large

doses combined with aspirin may cause a long blood clotting time. I don't

give my son aspirin and as you said not that much fish oil. They want me to

take him off as a precaution. My son is also missing part of the Elastin

gene and this may be another factor I have to look into. Also the fact that

it was on the tips of the fingers, which may tend to bleed more. I need to

do some research - get him tested - and then hopefully may be able to

restart the fish oil.

-- [ ] Re: Fish Oil and Bleeding

is correct in that fish oil is a 'natural' blood thinner- in

that way it doesn't work like man made aspirin. Like me has

been part of this group for close to a decade ( were you here

for 8 or 10 years now?) and through the years it is RARE for anyone to

notice what you are seeing Dina. In addition most of this group is

made up of parents of boys -and as we know they are not the ones to go

through life delicately in most cases. The dosage you are using,

around 2 capsules a day -is about double the dosage of what the FDA

approved for infant formula -so very conservative. Many of us have

our children on higher dosages and still don't see what you are seeing.

The advice you were given was the best in that fish oil or not you

need to get your child tested by a hemotologist -soon.

I was never on fish oil as a child but was tested many times for

bleeding issues because I was the one that would not stop bleeding

-bruise super easily etc. I was put on vitamin K and diagnosed with

anemia and I remember forced to eat liver (!!) This continued through

to my adult years -not the liver part but the easy to bruise / bleeding

part. The bruises I'd get were horrific -and the worst part is I

never knew were they were from! In fact many were afraid when I was

pregnant -especially my doctor friends and I again went for many tests

which were all negative. Interestingly enough -and this is documented

-I take around 4-5 capsules of fish oils daily now for years, at least

5 years, and bleeding nor bruising is no longer an issue -strange but true.

Here's more on fish oil and bleeding from Stoll MD of Harvard

Medical School who wrote the book The Omega 3 Connection

" The heart-protecting ability of the EPA to reduce the stickiness of

platelets and decrease the formation of blood clots is one of the

EPA's most important health benefits. However, this ability to reduce

the formation of potentially fatal clots within blood vessels has

often been misunderstood and has raised concerns that omega-3 fatty

acids could cause bleeding to occur in the body. This concern

presumably arises because aspirin, which also decreases platelet

aggregation and blood clotting, is known to cause occasional abnormal

bleeding. In fact, no cases of bleeding from EPA or omega-3s have

ever been documented. Supporting the safety of the omega -3 fatty

acids is a study where participants receiving a high dosage of omega-3

fatty acids underwent either angioplasty or unsuccessful angioplasty

followed by coronary arty bypass surgery. These cardiac procedures

and surgery may cause substantial blood loss, yet the patients

receiving omega -3 fatty acids suffered no excessive bleeding.

Understanding the difference between aspirin and EPA at the level of

the platelet illustrates the beauty of nature's balance of the omega-3

and omega-6 fatty acids and why EPA is unlikely to lead to abnormal

bleeding. Aspirin causes a nearly complete and permanent block of the

platelets' ability to aggregate and form clots. The action of

aspirin lasts for the life of the platelet, and because it is so

complete, aspirin can cause abnormal bleeding. This is why aspirin

should not be taken before surgery or in pregnancy unless specifically

prescribed. EPA on the other hand causes only partial and time-

limited reduction in platelet's ability to form clots. Recent

research has shown that even a 17 gram dose of EPA (omega 3) produces

a reversible inhibition of the platelet aggregation of between 40 and

60 percent. Compare this partial action of the huge dosage of EPA to

the 99.9 percent irreversible inhibition of platelet function by a

quarter tablet of aspirin. Aspirin causes and all-or-none action,

which can cause problems in susceptible people. In contrast, EPA and

it's eicosanoid derivatives promote a state of health by preserving

the normal ability of the boy to stop bleeding, while competing with

and limiting the ability of the arachidonic acid (omega-6-derived

eicosanoid) to cause abnormal clotting within blood within blood

vessels. "

The Omega-3 Connection: The Groundbreaking Omega-3 Antidepressant Diet

and Brain Program

By L Stoll, M.D.

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