Re: Tanner a future lawyer?

February 24, 2009

HI LISA -

HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF FISH OIL CAUSING THINNING OF THE BLOOD? I GIVE MY SON

FISH OIL AND WHENEVER HE GETS A CUT IT TAKES A LONG TIME FOR THE BLOOD TO

CLOT. THE NURSE IN HIS SCHOOL SAID IT MIGHT BE CAUSED BY THE FISH

OIL??????????

-- [ ] Tanner a future " lawyer " ?

Tanner recently has been deciding on a career change (he's now around

12 and a half) and he's decided he no longer wants to be a chef -he

wants to be a lawyer because he's " very good at arguing " . (Tanner is

good at making his point but he is a sweetie -it's very rare to hear

him argue with anyone, even his brother and him rarely fight)

He says this morning " I just hope my speech thing doesn't get in the

way " So Glenn said " By the time you grow up that won't be an issue "

and I said " If it still is an issue you can be a special education

attorney and fight to help kids like you get appropriate placements

and therapies in school "

So Tanner thought about it and decided that he wants to be an attorney

to protect the children. So I asked " because you want to help

children like you? " and he said " I want to be a lawyer for children

because the schools won't come after me. If I put a man that kills

in jail for years he may come after me after he sits in jail all those

years. Eeeeek " (and he made a face)

Actually Tanner doesn't really know how hard it is for most children

like him as I've advocated for him to be in appropriate mainstream

since kindergarten. He's been a great student, and is very active in

sports with lots of friends. In addition where we live now he isn't

exposed to other children with speech issues like himself -so he just

doesn't know. Innocence right now is bliss.

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February 24, 2009

Not that this had anything to do with Tanner's new career goal... :-)

The amount of oils in one capsule of ProEFA is about equivalent to

what the FDA approved for infant formula. What dosage and formula of

fish oil are you using? Are you going megadosage? What brand?

In a nutshell if it was me - if I believed a normal amount of fish oil

was creating a bleeding issue in my child -I'd stop any oils

(including pizza and doughnut) and get my child to the doctor for a

bleeding time test. This is not normal.

archive: (I don't have the time to read all of this -but sure more is

in here to help answer your question)

Re: fish oil and surgery

Hi ,

I've never heard about time 'after' surgery to be off the fish oils -

but check with your child's surgeon.

And before surgery -to be or not to be on the oils,

that's still the question.

There's actually an unofficial look into surgery and mega high

dosages of fish oils. The largest group of people prescribed to be

on high dosages of fish oils daily by their MDs are those with heart

disease. Those with diagnosed heart disease also happen to be the

group who may have no chance to stop the fish oils prior to surgery

due to say emergency open heart surgery...and yet there are no cases

of hemorrhaging for those taking the high dosages of fish oils as

per Dr. Stoll (read Dr. Stoll's quote below) and Dr.

(quote below as well) In addition as you will read

below in one of the archives my own Mom went in for open heart

surgery and her heart surgeon told her she did not have to stop

taking her fish oils prior -and my Mom (reported by those in the

operating room) had very little bleeding during surgery, and for

sure she healed much faster than the norm. This is probably because

fish oil is not like man made blood thinners -it works with the body

as needed.

Here's a small quote from a much larger article from the Saturday

Evening Post. An interview with Dr. Stoll:

" Post: Is there a downside to supplementing with omega-3?

Dr. Stoll: There isn't. Some people may experience GI distress if

they take a large amount of a low-quality supplement. But the

highest good-quality fish oil is not rancid and has little or no

taste and has no side effects. Another issue that people worry about

is bleeding, because EPA inhibits platelet aggregation. But we

scoured the scientific literature, and there has never been a

documented case of bleeding due to omega-3 fatty acids.

We recently reviewed about 18,000 people who participated in

clinical trials with omega-3s, largely in cardiology studies, and we

couldn't find one instance of bleeding in any of the trials. There

was no bleeding, even if used in IVs prescribed before and during

cardiac surgery. I think this perception is a myth because omega-3s

don't inhibit the platelets as strongly as aspirin–perhaps 60 to 70

percent as much as aspirin–and unlike aspirin, the effect is

reversible.

Post: When a patient is on blood thinners, such as coumadin, should

they exercise caution when supplementing with omega-3?

Dr. Stoll: In that situation, I usually recommend a lower dose, not

exceeding one or two grams of EPA per day. At this dosage, there

should be no effect on the action of coumadin. The unanswered

question is, together are they providing too much anticoagulation?

Nonetheless, there may be some minute risk of a negative interaction

with anticoagulants, such as warfarin (coumadin), high-dose aspirin,

or ibuprofen-like medications, based on animal data and anecdotal

reports in humans.

However, large-scale controlled clinical trials with patients

receiving omega-3 fatty acid supplements with either aspirin or

warfarin observed no cases of bleeding even after one year of the

combined treatments. It would be a shame if cardiac patients or

their physicians avoided the use of omega-3 supplements out of fear.

I am thoroughly convinced that the dramatic and lifesaving cardiac

actions of omega-3s far outweigh the very small or nonexistent risk

of bleeding. "

SOURCE: Saturday Evening Post, May/June 2005, by .

http://www.satevepost.org/issues/2005/0506/7370750.shtml

Small quote from Dr. -more below in archives:

" There is a

long-standing myth that omega-3s cause bleeding. We have used data

from 18,000 or 20,000 patients who were in clinical trials over the

years-mostly in heart disease, and there is not one case of bleeding

from omega-3s "

http://www.equazen.com/newsfile_newsletter4_contents.htm

I had my tonsils taken out in kindergarten and had to be rushed to

emergancy because I started to hemorrhage. Even though I was only

five years old I will never forget those horrible moments in my life

having a tube forced down my throat while being down, that's how I

remember it. Thing is -I was not on fish oil then. Sure there are

horror stories about surgeries - but those stories like mine are the

exception -not the rule with or without fish oil in the picture.

So far in this group this topic has come up a number of times and no

problems with bleeding reported by those that stopped or didn't stop

the oils prior to surgery. (most do stop a week before as a just in

case) Below are some archives on this, best to you and your child

during this time, and speedy recovery to her!

Here's some archives on this topic:

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 11:20 pm

Subject: Re: QUESTION

Hi ,

Tanner never had surgery since on the EFAs in the past three years,

but about a year ago my mom was diagnosed with heart problems and

needed surgery so of course I had her go on high dosages of EFAs. My

mom informed her heart surgeon she was on the Omega 3's and he OK's

it. When she went through surgery they reported little blood loss

and that it went great (I take their word for it -wasn't there) Her

healing time was amazing and quick and she's back to teaching ball

room dance again (she's 72 -and Liz from Georgia knows -kind

of a stand up she's so funny) And yes she's still on the Omega 3/6

formula -but I'm not sure if she needs the 6 too like our kids do -or

just the 3?

Anyway -you may want to read up online about the differences between

a natural blood thinner like fish oil and a man made blood thinner

like aspirin in books like Dr. Stoll's book The Omega 3 Connection,

or read about natural blood thinners at sites like

http://www.cdc-cdh.edu/hospital/cardio/art7.html .

What I hear, just like Dr. Agin states below, is stopping the EFAs a

week before the surgery -and then continuing after. Of course there

is also the other side of the coin with surgery and fish oil-there

was an article published in the Sept. 1, 2001 issue of The Lancet

stating that a supplement combination of L-arginine, omega-3 fatty

acids, and brewer's yeast helped improve post-operative recovery from

heart surgery. The patients given the supplement combination had

stronger immune response and experienced fewer post-operative

infections than patients receiving placebo.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_1517000/1517318.stm

If you really don't want to stop the EFAs for a week -you can try

increasing the amount of fish sticks your child eats that week. And

if your child really misses the fishy taste of the fish oil you can

buy some Harry Potter Bertie Botts Every Flavor Beans at Toys R Us

and hope you get a sack with lots of sardine flavored beans in it.

(yuck I thought it was coconut!!...well they are both the white

ones!!)

And speaking of Toys R Us and the recent posts about reading

programs -I know there are fabulous educational sites and programs

out there for learning to read and write, etc. Don't underestimate

the power of a good toy inventor (OK -so I used to do that) or

creator ( that too) to market something that is good for your child

in a way that is fun. I really respect Henson -we miss you Jim, PBS,

Nick, and Noggin for doing a great job of that -and Disney too of

course. So while you are checking out stuff online at educational

sites -like CHERAB advisor Dr. a Tallal's Fast For Word program

at http://www.scientificlearning.com which is highly recommended from

what I hear and read -have fun and browse the toy stores like Zany

Brainy, FAO Schwarz, Learning Express, and Toys R Us, etc. for

educational books, games -including electronic games like LeapFrog

http://www.leapfrog.com (never ending learning -can't beat that) -

and software. Also find a great kids library section in your own

town -or another town over and take your child to the read alongs,

etc. they schedule. Some PlayStation and Nintendo games are

educational believe it or not. They have Sesame Street, Dragon

Tales, Disney, etc.

Even videos can teach. My kids love this cheap little home video

called Operation Dalmatian Fun With Letters with the Z Meany Evil

Wizard who teases Zim Zim and his dog Zoo when they are singing the

alphabet song by mock singing " A, B, C, D, wah -wah -wah " and he

does an awful thing (don't want to give the ending away... OK just a

bit -he blows a gust of wind and sends Zim Zim's dog Zoo to A land,

and Zoo has to go through the whole alphabet to get back to Zim Zim)

You know maybe when I'm done with this nonprofit stuff I'll go back

to animation -sometimes I miss it (can you tell?)

Below is Dr. Agin's post again just in case you didn't catch it.

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February 24, 2009

That's a goal you could get behind. Seems like the job outlook would be

pretty good too.

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:28 AM, kiddietalk <kiddietalk@...> wrote:

> > -- [ ] Tanner a future " lawyer " ?

> >

> > Tanner recently has been deciding on a career change (he's now around

> > 12 and a half) and he's decided he no longer wants to be a chef -he

> > wants to be a lawyer because he's " very good at arguing " . (Tanner is

> > good at making his point but he is a sweetie -it's very rare to hear

> > him argue with anyone, even his brother and him rarely fight)

> >

> > He says this morning " I just hope my speech thing doesn't get in the

> > way " So Glenn said " By the time you grow up that won't be an issue "

> > and I said " If it still is an issue you can be a special education

> > attorney and fight to help kids like you get appropriate placements

> > and therapies in school "

> >

> > So Tanner thought about it and decided that he wants to be an attorney

> > to protect the children. So I asked " because you want to help

> > children like you? " and he said " I want to be a lawyer for children

> > because the schools won't come after me. If I put a man that kills

> > in jail for years he may come after me after he sits in jail all those

> > years. Eeeeek " (and he made a face)

> >

> > Actually Tanner doesn't really know how hard it is for most children

> > like him as I've advocated for him to be in appropriate mainstream

> > since kindergarten. He's been a great student, and is very active in

> > sports with lots of friends. In addition where we live now he isn't

> > exposed to other children with speech issues like himself -so he just

> > doesn't know. Innocence right now is bliss.

> >

> > =====

> >

February 25, 2009

Hi -

I give complete omega 369 liquid from Nordic naturals. 1/2 teaspoon in

applesauce with lunch and 1/2 teaspoon dinner. I recently began giving him

a drop more to see if it would make a difference in his speech. What I have

noticed as far as the bleeding is that whenever gets a cut it seems to

take a longer time to clot. I have a call in to the doctor's office and am

waiting to hear back from them. Anymore feedback would be greatly

appreciated. Thanks for the archives.

-- Re: QUESTION