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[Guest guest]

I don't think you are well or thinking clearly. IMO you should go to

the doctor and ask for a free T3 test.

Gracia

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> hello all: is it ok if i take my levothyroxin tablet at night after

dinner?

> Because that way my metabolism is fast and i will get skinny when I get up

> in the morning

>

> thanx

>

> juan carlos

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[Guest guest]

,

I don't think the time of day you take it matters much, but you've

got to take it on an empty stomach in order for it to be absorbed

without being destroyed first by digestion. That's probably why most

people opt to take it upon arising.

Best wishes,

Celeste

wrote:

> hello all: is it ok if i take my levothyroxin tablet at night after

dinner?

> Because that way my metabolism is fast and i will get skinny when I

get up

> in the morning

[Guest guest]

Hey everyone, I am almost 1 yr post-treatment. So far so good in the

undectable dept. The problem is, I have nerve damage, peripheral neuropathy,

inflammation, swelling etc. I see a rheumatologist and am now trying Bextra

for the inflammation, joint pain etc. Tried Plaquenil, but had an allergic

reaction. My question is this: Does anyone have any links for articles or

studies re: post treatment problems??? It is very difficult finding

articles. What the docs suspect is that all this is residual from Cryo, even

tho my cryocrit is also undectable and supposedly should have been treated

while on standard combo. There just doesn't seem to be a whole lot of info

or studies being done on sustained responders and residulal damage....or am I

just not looking in the right places???? Any suggestions would be greatly

appreciated. luv, gee

[Guest guest]

Hi Gee,

I don't have any info on this, but I do know that nerve damage

can take a long time to heal. They CAN heal sometimes, but nerves do

take a long time. I would think that treating the inflammation would

be the priority since the ongoing inflammation could be preventing

healing and causing pain. Have you tried (I think this is what it's

called) Neurontin? And what about II inhibitors? If I hear of

anything along these lines I'll post it. Good luck!

Claudine

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[Guest guest]

Fantastic you are still clear!!! Sux you have neuropathy.

When I was on treatment, I took Neurontin for migraines. It didn't help me, but

it's also used for neuropathy. I talked to a lady online in a Delphi Hep

chatroom last nite who has the same problem as you, but she is on treatment

still and is taking Neurontin for her neuropathy.

I can't say this will work for you, but you can talk it over with your doc.

I know a few heppers with those symptoms, so it's not that uncommon.

Good luck!

alley

It's a blonde life, but somebody has to live it!

[Guest guest]

Hi Claudine, yes, I've been on Neurontin twice. This new drug I just

started (Bextra) is a cox 2 nhibitor. It is doing as well as the 2400mgs of

Ibuprofen daily was doing. Nice to just take 1 pill!!!! I guess the nerve

damage can be permanent...I guess it's just a wait and see. They think the

damage (joints etc) is at the cellular level (whatever that means) Thanks

for the input. luv, gee

[Guest guest]

Thanks Alley...yea I've taken it twice...the bextra is a tleast doing as much

good as the 2400 mgs of Ibuprofen did...so that has cut my pill taking way

down. Maybe we can up it and try to get rid of the rest of the inflammation

and joint pain etc. luv, gee

[Guest guest]

:

It's great that you've had some success with homeopathic remedies.

As for the teeth...I'd ask a dentist about having them pulled. If they come

out too early then the rest of the teeth can move around and you could end

up with very costly orthodontics later. If you can get away with

homeopathics until the teeth fall out, then you might want to consider that.

Is there a way to seal in the amalgam? I'm thinking of the regular

sealing that dentists do to some kids to prevent cavities. Would that be

effective at sealing the amalgam until those teeth fall out?

I feel that any way we can break the cycle of a seizure is a good sign. I'm

not sure if the medical community agrees, but that's my feeling. It may be

a sign that his seizures may be controllable (but I don't know).

Never heard of Lipoic acid.

Just my thoughts.

>From: " Mike Mchugh " <mcpitza@...>

>Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:24:05 -0500

>

>My son has a problem with absence seizures. He does not take AED at the

>moment. He is using a homeopathic remedy. At first we had no success with

>homeopathy. I made a connection in my mind of the onset of the seizures

>with the installation of an amalgam filling in his mouth. Once the

>homeopath bought into my theory she added merc. sol. to his remedy and we

>saw immediate results. Seizures reduced from very many a day to just one.

>Then it seems he lost another piece of a different amalgam filling in his

>mouth and now the seizures are back again... but now I can get a reaction

>from him while he is having the seizure if a tickle or pinch at him... it's

>as if he were being roused out of a deep sleep. He doesn't actually come

>out of it but he reacts a bit... pushing me away or squirming or mumbling.

>Does anyone think this is a good sign ? Does anyone think he may be able to

>control the seizures eventually in this way ? The teeth that have amalgams

>are all baby teeth. Should we have them (4) all pulled out for better

>success. I welcome any and all points of view and or advice. Also, does

>anyone have experience using Lipoic Acid to help with seizures and mercury

>levels ? Please... advice gang !!! Thanks.

> M

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[Guest guest]

My impression from reading Dr. Shippen's book is that what you ask is

correct. A sudden surge in T causes extra aromatization. I do not

remember if he states why but he does imply that slower methods of

application such as pellets and patches had less conversion, I

think. I'll try to read it through again but someone here probably

can help before I get to it.

y

> Does anybody know why in normal men high levels of T, let's say

> 800-900, do not cause extra conversion to E2, and it stays normal,

> but on TRT or hCG the same level of T causes elevated E2 level?

> Is it possible that TRT or hCG make T level go up too fast and

> if somehow you manage to raise T levels slow enough, you avoid

> high E2 problem?

>

> Any input will be appreciated.

>

[Guest guest]

,

Shippen writes in his " Testosterone Syndrome " , p. 196:

" Injections. This is still the most common method of replacing

Testosterone, and it is infinitely the worst.

Most negative medical studies on testosterone use were conducted using

Injections. Unfortnately, this mode

Of replacement raises testosterone levels far to abruptly and often to a

nonphysioloogic height. This not

Only very poorly imitates the body's own pattern, but frequently causes a

rebound effect in the form of increased estrogen levels. "

I before I went on AndroGel, the second time, Aug 2nd '01 I was injecting

100 mg Depo/wk

Blood collected 8th day after last injection of 100 mg Depo-Testosterone

on...

June 4th '01

.. . .Testosterone

.. . . . . .Total . . . . . . . . 989 (241 - 827)

.. . . . . Free. . . . . . . . .42.0 (6.6 - 18.1)

July 9th '01

.. . . . ..Total . . . . . . . . . 774

.. . . . . Free. . . . . . . . . .38.8

Even on eighth day after last injection my Total T was high and where I like

it, but my free T was waaaaaaay over the top. It's my understanding that

excess free T is what aromatized to the Es.

Blood work day I started on 1 mg Arimidex/dy...

.. . . . . . . . . . . . Estradiol (<54). . . . Estrogen (40 - 115)

8-2-01.........................87..............................198

After two months on 1 mg/dy Arimidex

9-29-01........................37...............................85

Latest blood work for Es

2-25-03 . . . . . . . . . . . .41. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .75

Total testosterone . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . 922 (243-827)

Testosterone, free & weakly bound. . . . . . . . .326 (66.6 - 276)

Sex hormone binding globulin . . . . . . . . . . . 43 (13-71)

Since I discovered at http://www.labcorp.com/ that free testosterone is

becoming out moded and replaced by the more sensitive....

" " Use Free and weakly bound testosterone (FWBT), also referred to as

bioavailable testosterone, is thought to reflect an individual's

biologically active, circulating testosterone. FWBT includes free

testosterone and testosterone that is bound to albumin. FWBT does not

include sex hormone binding globulin-bound testosterone. The SHBG-bound

fraction is biologically inactive because of the high binding affinity of

SHBG for testosterone. The rapid dissociation of " weakly bound " testosterone

from albumin results in the availability of essentially all albumin-bound

testosterone for steroid-receptor interaction.1 "

I've discontinued requesting free testosterone assay but rather FWBT which

IMO is state of the art.

OR eon

65yo

GayMan

Question for all

Does anybody know why in normal men high levels of T, let's say

800-900, do not cause extra conversion to E2, and it stays normal,

but on TRT or hCG the same level of T causes elevated E2 level?

Is it possible that TRT or hCG make T level go up too fast and

if somehow you manage to raise T levels slow enough, you avoid

high E2 problem?

Any input will be appreciated.

[Guest guest]

OR eon,

I can see that you had abig drop in E2 between 8/2/01 and 9/29/01\

Did you feel any noticable difference in the energy level, well being

etc in that period?

i am trying to find a reason why I feel much worse after starting hCG,

my T level went up, libido is way up, but I feel dead tired all the

time, sort of a flu.

My E2 went up to 44 and I started Arimidex 2 weeks ago, but do not

feel any difference.

Thanks

> ,

>

> Shippen writes in his " Testosterone Syndrome " , p. 196:

>

> " Injections. This is still the most common method of

replacing

> Testosterone, and it is infinitely the worst.

> Most negative medical studies on testosterone use were

conducted using

> Injections. Unfortnately, this mode

> Of replacement raises testosterone levels far to abruptly and

often to a

> nonphysioloogic height. This not

> Only very poorly imitates the body's own pattern, but frequently

causes a

> rebound effect in the form of increased estrogen levels. "

>

>

> I before I went on AndroGel, the second time, Aug 2nd '01 I was

injecting

> 100 mg Depo/wk

>

> Blood collected 8th day after last injection of 100 mg Depo-

Testosterone

> on...

>

> June 4th '01

>

> . . .Testosterone

>

> . . . . . .Total . . . . . . . . 989 (241 - 827)

> . . . . . Free. . . . . . . . .42.0 (6.6 - 18.1)

>

> July 9th '01

>

> . . . . ..Total . . . . . . . . . 774

> . . . . . Free. . . . . . . . . .38.8

>

> Even on eighth day after last injection my Total T was high and

where I like

> it, but my free T was waaaaaaay over the top. It's my

understanding that

> excess free T is what aromatized to the Es.

>

> Blood work day I started on 1 mg Arimidex/dy...

>

>

> . . . . . . . . . . . . Estradiol (<54). . . . Estrogen (40 - 115)

>

>

> 8-2-01.........................87..............................198

>

> After two months on 1 mg/dy Arimidex

>

> 9-29-01........................37...............................85

>

> Latest blood work for Es

>

> 2-25-03 . . . . . . . . . . . .41. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .75

>

> Total testosterone . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . 922 (243-827)

>

> Testosterone, free & weakly bound. . . . . . . . .326 (66.6 - 276)

>

> Sex hormone binding globulin . . . . . . . . . . . 43 (13-71)

>

> Since I discovered at http://www.labcorp.com/ that free

testosterone is

> becoming out moded and replaced by the more sensitive....

>

> " " Use Free and weakly bound testosterone (FWBT), also referred to as

> bioavailable testosterone, is thought to reflect an individual's

> biologically active, circulating testosterone. FWBT includes free

> testosterone and testosterone that is bound to albumin. FWBT does

not

> include sex hormone binding globulin-bound testosterone. The SHBG-

bound

> fraction is biologically inactive because of the high binding

affinity of

> SHBG for testosterone. The rapid dissociation of " weakly bound "

testosterone

> from albumin results in the availability of essentially all albumin-

bound

> testosterone for steroid-receptor interaction.1 "

>

> I've discontinued requesting free testosterone assay but rather

FWBT which

> IMO is state of the art.

>

> OR eon

> 65yo

> GayMan

>

> Question for all

>

> Does anybody know why in normal men high levels of T, let's say

> 800-900, do not cause extra conversion to E2, and it stays normal,

> but on TRT or hCG the same level of T causes elevated E2 level?

> Is it possible that TRT or hCG make T level go up too fast and

> if somehow you manage to raise T levels slow enough, you avoid

> high E2 problem?

>

> Any input will be appreciated.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

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No, the only difference I felt was reduction is " piss urgency " . I could

go out to dinner with friends and not have to go piss sometime during the

meal.

Whenever I would get out on a Houston expressway, I would always take a

urinal in car incase we had one of our legendary grid locks. I don't do

that now.

I was 63 when I went on Arimidex....and had already had benign prostate

hypertrophy (BPH).

According to this article http://www.t-mag.com/articles/171estro.html

" Estrogen's Dirty Little Secret This ratio also increases sometimes when

we start to manipulate our Testosterone levels, either through T replacement

or the use of certain aromatizeable steroids. And, we can't forget the

estrogen mimickers in the environment, either.

The prostate itself obtains estrogens, through aromatase activity within its

own tissues, and through outside sources. When levels get too high, though,

BPH happens. Nodules start to occur in the periurethral transition zone

(which signals the onset of BPH), which is the most estrogen-responsive part

of the prostate. And, this proliferation of nodules and increased tissue

growth is strongly associated with higher plasma estrogen (E2) and higher

urinary estrogen secretion, but it's not associated with T levels.(9) "

There are two peak prostate growth periods, the first around puberty when

testosterone levels begin rising and the second at about age 50 when

androgen/estrogen ratio shifts and estrogen begins accumulating in prostate

causing size increase.

My last visit to urologist was April '02...resident did digital rectal exam

(DRE) and said that my prostate was about 40 cc...I asked him what " normal "

was and he said about 30 cc. That DRE was after I had begun Arimidex, Aug

2nd '01. Would have been interesting to know what pre-Arimidex prostate

size was.

In terms of emotional/mental well being...for some reason I seem refractory

to sex hormone related mood swings.

I began TRT Feb '99, injecting 100 mg Depo fortnightly...after a green

filter was installed in my inferior vena cava, fall '99 I began injecting

200 mg

fortnightly. Between injections I never experienced the downs that some

men report; when my b/f was on TRT I witnessed his " crashes " .

Perhaps my regimen of Wellbutrin SR 150 mg/2x/dy and Lithobid 300 mg/2x/dy

maintain(ed) an even mood for me..

Looking back over my records for nocturnal erections (NEs) and piss hardons

(PHs)....I was not as disciplined at recording my NEs and PHs each morning

as I am now....so I cannot discern any pattern, particularly diminution

between T injections.

Just my experiences.....

OR eon

Re: Question for all

OR eon,

I can see that you had abig drop in E2 between 8/2/01 and 9/29/01\

Did you feel any noticable difference in the energy level, well being

etc in that period?

i am trying to find a reason why I feel much worse after starting hCG,

my T level went up, libido is way up, but I feel dead tired all the

time, sort of a flu.

My E2 went up to 44 and I started Arimidex 2 weeks ago, but do not

feel any difference.

Thanks

[Guest guest]

Well they might gain knowledge and we would not want that would we?

[low dose naltrexone] Question for all

>>> His receptionist had warned me, "The doctor doesn't like his patients to go on the internet."Am I the only one here whose blood started boiling at this?Alana

[Guest guest]

Hi All, Someones doctor doesn't want you to go on the internet? If you listen to this person, we might as well pull all children out of school too. Wouldn't want 'em to learn anytthing. Remember that if all of us MSers get well that the MS foundation and many other organizations would go broke! Think for your selves! My personal health and well being are much improved since stopping the platform drugs that are recommended. It isn't that my neurologist is stupid, just unwilling to think outside of his little box! He is actually a very intelligent and well educated man. Just stubborn and unwilling to give up on his training from 30 years ago. Better health to all. Cheers, Roy Robey PS If any one wants to know what I have done, send a mail. RR __________________________________________________Do You

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[Guest guest]

Hi

Just to let you know I agree totally with what you are saying. Clare

[low dose naltrexone] Re: Question for all

Hi All,

Someones doctor doesn't want you to go on the internet? If you listen to this person, we might as well pull all children out of school too. Wouldn't want 'em to learn anytthing.

Remember that if all of us MSers get well that the MS foundation and many other organizations would go broke! Think for your selves!

My personal health and well being are much improved since stopping the platform drugs that are recommended. It isn't that my neurologist is stupid, just unwilling to think outside of his little box! He is actually a very intelligent and well educated man. Just stubborn and unwilling to give up on his training from 30 years ago.

Better health to all.

Cheers,

Roy Robey

PS If any one wants to know what I have done, send a mail.

RR

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[Guest guest]

My question is have your children who have been diagnosed with apraixa ever have

an MRI done to confirm or deny the presence of apraxia? I google imaged photos

of an apraxic brain and there were a few results showing that the part of the

brain that controls speech looks different from that of a brain without apraxia

Thanks Kim