Fish Oil

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My husband and I did some reading on giving children with apraxia fish-oil and

decided to give it a try.We started her first dose less than a week ago and

today we both noticed that she smells like a fish, her breath and everything,has

anyone else experienced this?We are stopping dosage for a few days and go from

there, but for right now she's our little Anchovy:)Any advice....

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What brand are you using?  Some smell worse than others.  We use Nordic

Naturals.

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From: wilcox_christian <christian73@...>

Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:32:35 AM

Subject: [ ] Fish Oil

My husband and I did some reading on giving children with apraxia fish-oil and

decided to give it a try.We started her first dose less than a week ago and

today we both noticed that she smells like a fish, her breath and everything,has

anyone else experienced this?We are stopping dosage for a few days and go from

there, but for right now she's our little Anchovy:)Any advice....

[Guest guest]

If messages are not posting on time it's because is acting up again.

OK about the fish oil smell question:

You have to be very careful (as one could imagine) giving fish oil to a toddler.

I mean just a drop of it on the back of a hand -which is typically where a child

will wipe their mouth right before they rub it on their clothes or something

else -will stink like crazy! I'm almost positive your child's issue is that you

are somehow not being careful enough because the alternative...that fish oil

actually is making her entire body smell fishy -is a very rare syndrome.

Remember when it comes to fish oil and toddlers -Bounty paper towels are our

friend! (keep it handy pre and post supplementation) And try the fisherman's

friend if you get fish oil onto anything -that would be lemon. Breath is simple

-brushing.

Information below on this from an archive that fortunately only has been sent

out a few times and so far nobody has yet confirmed this condition -so just

thankfully a bunch of messy kids:

Let's hope that your child isn't one the rare percent with

trimethylaminuria who will eat fish (and other foods) and smell like

fish! (and let's also thank God we are not married to someone that

is one of them either!) Actually if you have to commute to work and

use public transportation -let's say a huge thanks that

trimethylaminuria is rare!

" Pediatric Database (PEDBASE)

Discipline: MET

Last Updated: 2/05/98

TRIMETHYLAMINURIA

DEFINITION:

An inborn error of glycine metabolism characterized by elevated

levels of trimethylamine resulting in a prominent odour of rotting

fish.

EPIDEMIOLOGY:

incidence: rare, over 18 cases reported

also called Fish Odor Syndrome, Stale Fish Syndrome... "

http://www.icondata.com/health/pedbase/files/TRIMETHY.HTM

If your child does suffer from this -here is a very child friendly

way to break it to them (and keep them away from all the foods they

suggest!!)

" Sometimes I smell like a fish

Dear Dr. Zebra: I wash all the time, but the other kids say I stink

like rotten fish. They make up rhymes about me and nobody will eat

lunch with me. Nobody will sit beside me on the bus. It makes me

cry. I take baths all the time. I used to scrub myself with a scrub

brush until my mother found out. Sometimes it's okay, but then I

stink again. I cry a lot, because nothing helps. Even my grandma

says I don't wash right. Sometimes I would like to crawl under my

bed and never come out. What can I do?

Please don't use my real name.

" Hal " from Denmark, South Carolina

Cheer up, Hal--I am almost certain the problem is something you eat.

If that's right, the smell will go away as soon as you stop eating

those foods.

To find out, your doctor should test you for trimethylaminuria,

which is a long way to say that when you eat fish, eggs, liver,

kidney, or soybeans, your body does not digest these things quite

the way other bodies do. These foods have a chemical called choline

(say it like KO-leen), which germs in the gut digest into trimeth-

ylamines (just call them TMA). TMA smells fishy--very fishy, in

fact.

For most people that fishy smell doesn't matter because their body

turns TMA into something else, TMA oxide, which does not smell at

all. But in people with trimethylaminuria, their bodies cannot

change the TMA. So the TMA comes out in their sweat, urine, and

breath, and no matter how much these people scrub, the TMA makes

them smelly. Having this problem does not make people sick in any

way, but it certainly is embarrassing.

You say that sometimes the fishy smell goes away, which makes me

think that if you stay away from foods with choline, you'll be fine.

The worst foods for you would be fish, eggs, liver, and kidney.

Avoid them. If that's not enough, then you should also stay away

from soybeans, peas, and mayonnaise. (Think of that--a doctor's

excuse not to eat liver and tofu!)

Eggs, soybeans, and mayonnaise can be hard to avoid, because they

are part of many packaged foods. At first, you'll have to think a

lot about things like whether a Big Mac has mayonnaise (it does).

You and your family will have to read the labels on packages very

carefully. But you'll soon learn what you can and cannot eat.

This diet is a pain, there's no doubt about that. But it's much less

of a pain than smelling like rotten fish. "

http://www.jhu.edu/~jhumag/496web/derzebra.html

We had one mom in our group about two years ago who posted her child

smelled like fish when he sweated that is in the archives. Nobody

related back then...Anyone relate today? Perhaps your neurologist

is that child's neurologist? (hey it's possible!) If your child is

one of the rare percent who have this problem -then even eating fish

will cause the same results. I guess you could use flax instead -I

would suggest you ask your neurologist -but in your case I would

suggest you first find and then ask a neurologist who is a bit more

knowledgeable.

If your child has not smelled like fish after he ate a tuna fish

sandwich or some fish sticks -then he won't smell like fish after

giving him a few drops of fish oil either. (And to answer your

other question -no part of them smells like fish including wastes

from them -not that I went out of my way to find out!)

I agree that when supplementing fish oil to a child, especially a

preschool child - there is a spill factor if you aren't careful. I

am very careful and never ever had this problem (my husband says I

have the bionic nose and hate when stuff stinks!) But yes if you

spill the oil and don't clean it, change his shirt, etc . I'm sure

your child will smell like fish.

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[Guest guest]

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Has anyone heard of an irregular heartbeat from taking fish oils? My son has

this now ( just discovered it as I was laying in bed with him last week) and I

am not sure how long he has had it. I did take him off the oils as of

yesterday. Trying to figure things out.

Thanks,

Jane

[Guest guest]

Jane please get your child to a pediatric cardiologist to check into this. No I

never heard of this being caused by fish oil -in fact my husband who had a heart

attack (early 40s) probably didn't die due to his fish oil supplementation. His

cardiologist -Dr. Gage, highly recommends fish oils and was thrilled to learn

Glenn was already on them. My mom's cardiologist in NJ -same thing. But you

need to hear what you need to do from an expert in this area. Hopefully you'll

find out it's nothing!

Here's an article I did find:

FISH OIL SUPPLEMENT PROMOTES REGULAR HEART BEAT

Fish oil supplements could help prevent the risk of sudden death, according to

new research from Italy. Fish oil supplements have already been shown to help

reduce the risk of strokes or heart attack, but this is the first time that they

have been implicated in maintaining a regular heartbeat.

Dr o Marchioli of Consorzio Negri Sud in Italy, the lead author of

the study, said that the effects of fish oil could be seen as early as three

months after beginning supplementation. " The risk of death, and sudden death, is

higher in the first months after a heart attack. It is exactly in this period

that the effect on sudden death was noted. "

Marchioli started from the hypothesis that adding n-3 polyunsaturated fatty

acids (PUFAs) - commonly found in fish and fish oil - to a healthy diet could

lower the risk of fatal arrhythmia, an irregular heartbeat that in severe cases

can lead to cardiac arrest. His team looked at 11,323 patients who had suffered

a heart attack within the previous three, all of whom had received the same

medical care and all of whom had healthy, Mediterranean diets – rich in fruit,

vegetables, olive oil and fish.

A random group of patients were also given one gram of fish oil supplements per

day. Over a three-and-a-half year period, some 1,031 of the subjects died,

according to Marchioli, but the data showed that those patients receiving the

fish oil supplements had a 41 per cent lower risk of death from any cause after

just three months of treatment. After four months, these patients also appeared

to be at a significantly reduced risk of sudden cardiac death, while by the end

of the study period they were 45 per cent less likely to die suddenly from a

heart-related cause.

" This study is important because there is no really effective therapy for

arrhythmias, " said Leaf, professor of clinical medicine at Harvard

Medical School, writing in an editorial accompanying the study, published in the

9 April issue of Circulation: Journal of the American Heart Association.

Leaf suggested that fatty acids might play a part in regulating the electrical

activity of heart muscle cells – a process responsible for the heart rhythm. He

added that taking the supplements while eating a Mediterranean diet could

enhance the beneficial effects of the fish oil in decreasing the risk of sudden

death.

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[Guest guest]

If a gel capsule, you pierce it and squeeze the oils out into applesauce or

something like that.

>

> My 2 year old daughter is currently undergoing speech therapy for

> apraxia. I want to start her on fish oil, but all I can find is

> capsule form. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

Fish oil should not cause an irregular heartbeat

Have you taken him to be examined yet?

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of jtag57

Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:30 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Fish Oil

+

Has anyone heard of an irregular heartbeat from taking fish oils? My son has

this now ( just discovered it as I was laying in bed with him last week) and

I am not sure how long he has had it. I did take him off the oils as of

yesterday. Trying to figure things out.

Thanks,

Jane

[Guest guest]

I find it hard to believe that fish oil would cause any heart problems, when you

watch TV or see ads for fish oil one of the biggest promises is preventing heart

desease and when we researched it for our daughter, we got the same on the

internet, I take 8 different suppliments everyday and fish oil is one of them

and my when my 10 , now 11 year old son was going threw really bad puberty the

doc recommended it and it has helped him tremendously.

[ ] Re: Fish Oil

Jane please get your child to a pediatric cardiologist to check into this. No

I never heard of this being caused by fish oil -in fact my husband who had a

heart attack (early 40s) probably didn't die due to his fish oil

supplementation. His cardiologist -Dr. Gage, highly recommends fish oils and was

thrilled to learn Glenn was already on them. My mom's cardiologist in NJ -same

thing. But you need to hear what you need to do from an expert in this area.

Hopefully you'll find out it's nothing!

Here's an article I did find:

FISH OIL SUPPLEMENT PROMOTES REGULAR HEART BEAT

Fish oil supplements could help prevent the risk of sudden death, according to

new research from Italy. Fish oil supplements have already been shown to help

reduce the risk of strokes or heart attack, but this is the first time that they

have been implicated in maintaining a regular heartbeat.

Dr o Marchioli of Consorzio Negri Sud in Italy, the lead author of

the study, said that the effects of fish oil could be seen as early as three

months after beginning supplementation. " The risk of death, and sudden death, is

higher in the first months after a heart attack. It is exactly in this period

that the effect on sudden death was noted. "

Marchioli started from the hypothesis that adding n-3 polyunsaturated fatty

acids (PUFAs) - commonly found in fish and fish oil - to a healthy diet could

lower the risk of fatal arrhythmia, an irregular heartbeat that in severe cases

can lead to cardiac arrest. His team looked at 11,323 patients who had suffered

a heart attack within the previous three, all of whom had received the same

medical care and all of whom had healthy, Mediterranean diets - rich in fruit,

vegetables, olive oil and fish.

A random group of patients were also given one gram of fish oil supplements

per day. Over a three-and-a-half year period, some 1,031 of the subjects died,

according to Marchioli, but the data showed that those patients receiving the

fish oil supplements had a 41 per cent lower risk of death from any cause after

just three months of treatment. After four months, these patients also appeared

to be at a significantly reduced risk of sudden cardiac death, while by the end

of the study period they were 45 per cent less likely to die suddenly from a

heart-related cause.

" This study is important because there is no really effective therapy for

arrhythmias, " said Leaf, professor of clinical medicine at Harvard

Medical School, writing in an editorial accompanying the study, published in the

9 April issue of Circulation: Journal of the American Heart Association.

Leaf suggested that fatty acids might play a part in regulating the electrical

activity of heart muscle cells - a process responsible for the heart rhythm. He

added that taking the supplements while eating a Mediterranean diet could

enhance the beneficial effects of the fish oil in decreasing the risk of sudden

death.

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[Guest guest]

my husband buys our daughters at the " vitamin store " and it comes in a big

bottle w/ orange flavoring to help her swalow it better

[ ] Re: Fish Oil

If a gel capsule, you pierce it and squeeze the oils out into applesauce or

something like that.

>

> My 2 year old daughter is currently undergoing speech therapy for

> apraxia. I want to start her on fish oil, but all I can find is

> capsule form. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

>