The Listening Program

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What is better...the Listening Program or Tomatis?

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[Guest guest]

Hi Michele - I have just started my 8yr old on the Listening Program

last week. Its too soon to say if its working. I searched the

archives at onibasu, and it seems like it does help. Andy also

recommends this.

You can get more information at www.advancedbrain.com. I looked for

the providers here and picked the one closest to my place. Basically

the provider will do an assessment and figure out which program is

good for the kid. I bought the CD's from her for $375, and she

suggested the equipment that I needed to buy. you need a good quality

head phones and a cd player.

Madhuri

>

> Anyone have experience with The Listening Program? We've tried

Samonas

> but it hasn't worked well for us. Can you compare? Also, do I need

a

> professional to do this or can I do this with them at home?

>

> (may email offlist)

>

> Thanks, Michele

>

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know if The Listening Program can be implementing on your

own or do you need to have someone do it for you? I was considering

purchasing it from a seller on Ebay but didn't know if I could

implement the program on my own. If I need someone to implement it

with me, who would that be....The National Association of Child

Development (NACD)? Will they do it w/o purchasing it through them?

Others? Our two speech therapists cannot do it nor can our OT's.

Thank you!

[Guest guest]

If the seller has all the information that comes with it, you can

easily do it on your own. We had one consult with the SLP and are now

doing it at home as per the protocol in their instructions. I recently

started doing it with my NT three year old as well. I say go for it!

in NJ

>

> Does anyone know if The Listening Program can be implementing on your

> own or do you need to have someone do it for you? I was considering

> purchasing it from a seller on Ebay but didn't know if I could

> implement the program on my own. If I need someone to implement it

> with me, who would that be....The National Association of Child

> Development (NACD)? Will they do it w/o purchasing it through them?

> Others? Our two speech therapists cannot do it nor can our OT's.

> Thank you!

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think you need someone to help you.... it's a no-brainer. Buy it on

ebay and run with it!

Janice

[sPAM][ ] Re: The Listening Program

If the seller has all the information that comes with it, you can

easily do it on your own. We had one consult with the SLP and are now

doing it at home as per the protocol in their instructions. I recently

started doing it with my NT three year old as well. I say go for it!

in NJ

>

> Does anyone know if The Listening Program can be implementing on your

> own or do you need to have someone do it for you? I was considering

> purchasing it from a seller on Ebay but didn't know if I could

> implement the program on my own. If I need someone to implement it

> with me, who would that be....The National Association of Child

> Development (NACD)? Will they do it w/o purchasing it through them?

> Others? Our two speech therapists cannot do it nor can our OT's.

> Thank you!

>

[Guest guest]

There are so many websites and therapists you can choose for this type

of therapy- but make sure it's one that is well respected. The prices

vary as well as the way the therapy is done. Not many know about

the " listening program " NACD developed -is that the one you saw on

Ebay? Tomatis and Vital links are two of the main programs used here

for years and based on years of people posting here about it can tell

you that both are worth exploring. Here's some info from Speechville

http://www.speechville.com/alternative-therapy/auditory-training.html

And so much more on this it's hard to put on one page!

The first one we used was Vital Links http://www.vitallinks.net/

and it was my understanding for this method that you need to work with

a therapist to choose the right programs to suit your child -in other

words the speech or occupational therapist would be trained in this way

as it's not a one size fits all. Once you know which program to use -

you can use it at home.

Depending upon the listening therapy program you choose they will have

a " provider locator " such as this one:

" Therapeutic Listening® is only available through trained therapists.

This locator is provided to assist you in finding a trained Therapeutic

Listening provider in your area. Enter a zip code and distance to

search within the U.S., or click on " Advanced Search " below to search

internationally. "

Vital Links http://www.vitallinks.net/locator/index.php

From Tomatis -the " grandfather " to all listening therapy here's a quote

fromm their website:

" Q: What is the difference between the Tomatis Method and CDs based on

the Tomatis Method?

There are many people in this world that have latched on the work of

Tomatis. Unfortunately, many of the people that claim to do Tomatis

work, only do so in name. There are only a few people in the United

States and Canada that have been thoroughly trained in the Tomatis

Method. You can find their names on this website (Addresses)

Some people sell tapes or CDs that claim to be based on Tomatis's work.

The benefits you'll get from tapes and CDs pale in comparison to those

obtained with the Tomatis Method.

First of all, it is key to first test whether you would benefit from

auditory stimulation, and if so, what program would be beneficial. For

some people (like people with epilepsy or tinitus), auditory stimulated

is not advisable, and should only be done under strict supervision of

an expert. When you use a tape or CD, you by-pass this crucial step.

These systems are based on the philosophy: " One size fits all " .

Tapes and CDs cannot make you right ear dominant, the prerequisite for

becoming a good learner. They talk about it, but it is just an

advertising claim.

Tapes and CDs do not have bone conduction making them less effective

in addressing learning problems.

Tapes and CD's claim to use " gated music " , but what they call " gated

music " has nothing to do with Tomatis gating system, and is less

effective in training the muscles of the middle ear.

Tapes and CD programs do not include vocal exercises under the

Electronic Ear. It is a combination of passive and active listening

that makes the Tomatis Method work. "

http://www.tomatis.com/English/Articles/faq.htm

Programs they recommend

" All Listening is Not the Same: Exposing Tomatis Based Therapies and

other Knock-offs or

If it's not from Paris, it can't be Tomatis! by Dejean "

http://www.tomatis.net

http://www.mozart-brain-lab.com/eng/index_e.html

http://www.listeningfitness.com

And from a parent from an autism website

" FINAL Note:

As part of my research, I reviewed the following web sites in the

categories of Listening therapy, Tomatis, AIT – etc. I would recommend

to review these as well. They all provide different opinions on music

therapy.

http://www.ncapd.org/ Auditory Processing Disorders

http://janna.kensai.com/music_therapy Music Therapy (Different than AIT)

http://www.boystownhospital.org Boys Town / Hearing & Visual issues

http://www.earobics.com Earobics - auditory training @ home

http://home.ican.net/~cha/general/RoleMusic.htm Music Therapy

http://www.tomatis.com Tomatis Listening therapy

http://www.theswaincenter.com Tomatis Listening therapy Provider to So.

California

http://www.auditoryintegration.net Berard AIT

http://www.vision3d.com/adhd Auditory Integ Training NE Site

http://www.thedaviscenter.com/therapies/t-ait.htm AIT Berard Site

http://www.georgianainstitute.org Georgiana Institute AIT

http://www.autism.com/ari/ait.html ARI Web site link to AIT resources

http://www.deafkids.org Deaf & Hard of Hearing Children site

http://pages.cthome.net/cbristol/capd-lnk.html Central & Auditory Proc.

Disorder

http://www.scientificlearning.com Fast ForWord Info & Pre-FF programs

http://www.lasalle.edu/academ/grad/slhs/papers/slh512/SLH512.doc Fast

Forward Info

http://www.up-to-date.com/saitwebsite/computergames.html Free Computer games to

build auditory skills

After reviewing all the sites and speaking to Jeff's doctor, we choose Tomatis

with the Swain Center. "

http://talkaboutcuringautism.org/speech-hearing/tomatis.htm

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[Guest guest]

Hi Janice,

If I buy it on eBay, what all should I make sure I'm getting? Below

is the description of one on eBay right now. Is this everything I

need?

" THIS IS THE LISTENING PROGRAM CLASSIC. IT IS IN EXCELLENT

CONDITION. INCLUDES 8 CD'S AND THE GUIDEBOOK - NO MARKS OR WRITING

IN THE BOOK. IT ALSO COMES WITH THE SONY MDR-V600 HEADPHONES THEY

ARE ONE OF THE ONES LISTED TO GO ALONG WITH PROGRAM. "

Thanks for your help.

Becky

>

> I don't think you need someone to help you.... it's a no-brainer.

Buy it on ebay and run with it!

>

> Janice

>

>

> [sPAM][ ] Re: The Listening Program

>

>

> If the seller has all the information that comes with it, you

can

> easily do it on your own. We had one consult with the SLP and

are now

> doing it at home as per the protocol in their instructions. I

recently

> started doing it with my NT three year old as well. I say go for

it!

>

> in NJ

[Guest guest]

Becky,

This looks like the exact program that I used on Mark.... 8 cd's. Usually you

need to go buy the headphones yourself separately. This is the first version of

TLP that was produced and it is too bad that they don't have level 1 or module 1

(it's called something like that) since it is a bit more intense but the classic

version worked fine for us and I believe it worked fine for Kim with 4 cuties

who used to write on this board as well.

Personally, you don't really use the book (she obviously never did and neither

did I!). 15 minutes each morning and 15 minutes again in the evening. If the

child gets cranky you would want to cut that back to 15 minutes once daily for 5

days per week until he gets used to it. But the normal protocol is 15 minutes 2

times daily. People tend to stop this program too early. Once you finish all

the cd's take a week or 2 break and then start the cycle again. For as long as

you have any type of auditory problems, keep working the ears with TLP. Again,

we used this program for a year and a half.... long after ALL of Mark's ear

issues were resolved, we kept on stimulating his ears just to make certain that

everything held and 'stuck'. (I will always keep my copy of TLP for this

reason.... the 'what if he gets sick and regresses' reason!)

TLP on Ebay tends to go fast so you need to snap it up!

Janice

[sPAM][ ] Re: The Listening Program

>

>

> If the seller has all the information that comes with it, you

can

> easily do it on your own. We had one consult with the SLP and

are now

> doing it at home as per the protocol in their instructions. I

recently

> started doing it with my NT three year old as well. I say go for

it!

>

> in NJ

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Janice. I'm also sending in my application for NACD today.

I'm excited to start both.

Becky

> >

> > I don't think you need someone to help you.... it's a no-

brainer.

> Buy it on ebay and run with it!

> >

> > Janice

> >

> >

> > [sPAM][ ] Re: The Listening Program

> >

> >

> > If the seller has all the information that comes with it, you

> can

> > easily do it on your own. We had one consult with the SLP and

> are now

> > doing it at home as per the protocol in their instructions. I

> recently

> > started doing it with my NT three year old as well. I say go

for

> it!

> >

> > in NJ

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

OMG! I had no idea it could cost so much. A friend gave us theirs for free

along with the special headphones. Wow. I told her thank you but had no clue

it was that expensive. She will not accept money but I think I might be baking

her a cake or something. Sheesh!

> >

> > I'm really surprised to see that some kids have significant language

> > benefits thanks to this program. What's the difference between TLP's

> > audio products and just playing some mp3 of Mozart or Vivaldi?

> >

> > thanks,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

On how we get ripped-off otherwise of Communication? I think back on how the

strategy of the legal profession (professionals generally, too often?) is to

make things so *complicated* and sided in favour of their client, when not about

simplying things? for Understanding? like us analysts? (maybe not in anything

else but the legal profession? of a profession of as much?) that the other would

have to be insane (desperate perhaps) to agree with as much? .. .

I suspect that covers a lot of bases.. Buyer beware.

Glavic

On simplying things for Understanding More for free, (Freedom? of Communication)

that it should cost anything else

Dont' agree with anything you don't understand? Seems simple enough, (for all

that we could do and need?) but not *really* so easy to do, (for many if not too

many?) in this crazy world of ours? .. .

On the profession/al that really matters most perhaps, (me?) but, I call It the

volunteer that makes The difference.. . (Hint: It involves calling a

spade-a-spade, Especially where abuse/an abuse is the matter.. .

If you feel abused just say so (with the necessary back-up that you might need

in that/this respect? I would advise, before doing as much... where we aren't

Especially about that? .. . that you would be better off with anyone or anything

otherwise

That advanced.

Call *me* (whatever) *abusive* where you Feel I am? of what I care for, Thereof

(No lying please.. . I'm good for catching that?!.

I really can't stand for the expensive BS otherwise, either, in looking for

Value as I do.. . (!

Thanks for being about *Value* where you are.. I'll see what I can continue to

do in that respect of More, of Understanding More, Thereof, that does involve

pointing out abuse, as a relative thing, (if not the Primary thing) no less, but

that really shouldn't change what we have to do in that respect of as much, of

Feeling as Understanding and what I hope for Us!

What a novel way of also dealing with the less than adequate DAN doctors?!.

Whatever

Best wishes.

> > >

> > > I'm really surprised to see that some kids have significant language

> > > benefits thanks to this program. What's the difference between TLP's

> > > audio products and just playing some mp3 of Mozart or Vivaldi?

> > >

> > > thanks,

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Another version of the same answer. Elsewhere called, what I do when I find

things too expensive.. .

On how we get ripped-off otherwise of Communication? I think back on how the

strategy of the legal profession (professionals generally, too often?) is to

make things so *complicated* and sided in favour of their client, when not about

simplying things? for Understanding? like us analysts? (maybe not in anything

else but the legal profession? of a profession of as much?) that the other would

have to be insane (desperate perhaps) to agree with as much? .. .

I suspect that covers a lot of bases.. Buyer beware.

Glavic

On simplying things for Understanding More for free, (Freedom? of Communication)

that it should cost anything else

Dont' agree with anything you don't understand? Seems simple enough, (for all

that we could do and need?) but not *really* so easy to do, (for many if not too

many?) in this crazy world of ours? .. .

On the profession/al that really matters most perhaps, (me?) but, I call It the

volunteer that makes The difference.. . (Hint: It involves calling a

spade-a-spade, Especially where abuse/an abuse is the matter.. .

If you feel abused just say so (with the necessary back-up that you might need

in that/this respect? I would advise, before doing as much... where we aren't

Especially about that? .. . that you would be better off with anyone or anything

otherwise

That advanced.

Call *me* (whatever) *abusive* where you Feel I am? of what I care for, Thereof

(No lying please.. . I'm good for catching as much?!.

I really can't stand for the expensive BS otherwise, either, in looking for

Value as I do.. . (!

Thanks for being about *Value* where you are.. I'll see what I can continue to

do in that respect of More, of Understanding More, Thereof, that does involve

pointing out abuse, as a relative thing, (if not the Primary thing) no less, but

that really shouldn't change what we have to do in that respect of as much, of

Feeling as Understanding and what I hope for Us!

What a novel way of also dealing with the less than adequate DAN doctors?!.

Whatever

Best wishes.

> > > >

> > > > I'm really surprised to see that some kids have significant language

> > > > benefits thanks to this program. What's the difference between TLP's

> > > > audio products and just playing some mp3 of Mozart or Vivaldi?

> > > >

> > > > thanks,

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I know. I biout paased out from sticker shock when I saw the price! We were

lucky and bought it from a friend for $75.

Karla

> > >

> > > I'm really surprised to see that some kids have significant language

> > > benefits thanks to this program. What's the difference between TLP's

> > > audio products and just playing some mp3 of Mozart or Vivaldi?

> > >

> > > thanks,

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Karla,

It's nice to hear from you, as kind as you are.. .

Mike

> > > >

> > > > I'm really surprised to see that some kids have significant language

> > > > benefits thanks to this program. What's the difference between TLP's

> > > > audio products and just playing some mp3 of Mozart or Vivaldi?

> > > >

> > > > thanks,

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Anybody know someone that can sell me a set for a reasonable price?

thanks,

wiersmak wrote:

>

> I know. I biout paased out from sticker shock when I saw the price! We

> were lucky and bought it from a friend for $75.

>

> Karla

>

> > > >

> > > > I'm really surprised to see that some kids have significant

> language

> > > > benefits thanks to this program. What's the difference between

> TLP's

> > > > audio products and just playing some mp3 of Mozart or Vivaldi?

> > > >

> > > > thanks,

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Mike,

Nice to hear from you too. Hope all is going well!

Karla

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm really surprised to see that some kids have significant language

> > > > > benefits thanks to this program. What's the difference between TLP's

> > > > > audio products and just playing some mp3 of Mozart or Vivaldi?

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Try ebay. There are a few TLP Programs for sale/bid there.

Karla

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm really surprised to see that some kids have significant

> > language

> > > > > benefits thanks to this program. What's the difference between

> > TLP's

> > > > > audio products and just playing some mp3 of Mozart or Vivaldi?

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I wanted to know if your child received this listening therapy prior to

chelation, during or after? As I read on the site that reducing or removing

toxicity is a key for the therapy success.

Thank you!

Shruti.

>

> > >

> > > I'm really surprised to see that some kids have significant language

> > > benefits thanks to this program. What's the difference between TLP's

> > > audio products and just playing some mp3 of Mozart or Vivaldi?

> > >

> > > thanks,

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

We are at round 88 of chelation and we just started doing TLP with my son 3 1/2

weeks ago. My son is five and verbal - but still has receptive and expressive

language delays - and some echolalia. We read in the archives about the

benefits of listening therapy, so we decided to give it a go. I expected not a

whole lot from this. I thought to myself how could listening to specially

recorded classical music for 15 minutes twice a day make a difference in

language? Well, to my surprise it has. My son has started answering questions

directly posed to him with yes and no instead of first just echoing what we say

to him. He is following verbal instructions and commands better, and has

started with his first spontaneous recitations of events at school, which has

never happened before. So just because we are removing metals from the brain,

does not mean that the brain automatically bounces back and recovers what it

missed developmentally without some help.

Irene

> > > >

> > > > I'm really surprised to see that some kids have significant language

> > > > benefits thanks to this program. What's the difference between TLP's

> > > > audio products and just playing some mp3 of Mozart or Vivaldi?

> > > >

> > > > thanks,

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

We decided to wait and do this while chelating. Our first session is Tuesday

so we'll see how it goes.

Karla

> > > >

> > > > I'm really surprised to see that some kids have significant language

> > > > benefits thanks to this program. What's the difference between TLP's

> > > > audio products and just playing some mp3 of Mozart or Vivaldi?

> > > >

> > > > thanks,

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Its funny to find this thread after I searched on line for something similar.

What I came across was Dolphin Dreams by Goldman it about 1hour and 10

min, I got it off of itunes. I reading an article about different frequencies

and how they effect the brain. Dolphins emit frequencies from 20 HZ to 20,000

HZ, their sounds have been shown to trigger physiological changes in tissue and

blood chemistry that allow the body to heal. So I have tried it for that last

three night while he was sleeping, at this point I think its working he has

started to ask what we are having for dinner. Using longer sentences, engaging

family members more. Is it just my imagination? We will have to see. I will keep

you posted. Simone

>

> A few weeks ago there was a thread about the Listening Program. I

> checked out the website and it sounds very interesting. Is there any

> type of age minimum? My son is 5 and I know when I looked at

> neurofeedback, they recommended waiting until he was 6-7.

>

> Also,I found a site in another state which offered it at a lower price

> ($375.) With it, you're given 4 15 minute phone consults. Does that

> sound sufficient? If not, how many consults do you think are needed?

>

> Joan

>

[Guest guest]

I did AIT and other forms of therapies after about 55 rounds of chelation. I

figure detox first and then do the appropriate therapies. It is a good protocol

for us. Vidya

From: shrutidoshi79 <shrutidoshi79@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: The Listening Program

Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 9:23 AM

 

Hello,

I wanted to know if your child received this listening therapy prior to

chelation, during or after? As I read on the site that reducing or removing

toxicity is a key for the therapy success.

Thank you!

Shruti.

>

> > >

> > > I'm really surprised to see that some kids have significant language

> > > benefits thanks to this program. What's the difference between TLP's

> > > audio products and just playing some mp3 of Mozart or Vivaldi?

> > >

> > > thanks,

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

He has never been officially chelated; none of my children have. Also, none of

my younger 4 children have been vaccinated (one has a questionable hep B from

birth transport).

My son won a scholarship and I ordered the program with part of his scholarship

money. My son is 6 and he won the scholarship about two years ago.

We firmly believe that his diet became toxic to him, and we are still tweeking

it.

> > > >

> > > > I'm really surprised to see that some kids have significant language

> > > > benefits thanks to this program. What's the difference between TLP's

> > > > audio products and just playing some mp3 of Mozart or Vivaldi?

> > > >

> > > > thanks,

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>