Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Hi My Trang and welcome! I do hope that many others have answered you already -but here's my answers to your questions: 1. Please tell me about your personal story or stories that you face with having or your child has with apraxia. Learning disabilities? Challenges? My son was born in 1996 and diagnosed with apraxia in 1999. Back then there was little to no support in person or on the web for apraxia. I started a support group out of the Children's Specialized Hospital in Mountainside, NJ as " Children's Apraxia Network " and within a year I realized that not all of the members had young children, and not all were diagnosed with apraxia. For me the hardest thing about raising a child with apraxia vs a child that has a condition that is well documented is the ignorance from everyone. My oldest son Dakota was also a late talker and needed speech therapy -but his issues went far beyond speech as he was a traumatic delivery and in intensive care from birth with severe head and neck injuries and with eating and even breathing problems. His injuries were life threatening. In some ways even though apraxia is not life threatening it was much more stressful for me with my apraxic son Tanner because I didn't have the professionals comforting me and educating me on what I needed to do to help Dakota -I had to argue and fight the ignorance every step of the way. I do believe that part of the ignorance spills into the myth that a speech impairment means a learning disability. I do appreciate that historically that's what has been the case. But in my experience " late talkers " have phenomenal memories which if used to the advantage can make them excel as students. For sure an apraxic child does not learn like the normal child. But who am I to say that is a learning disability -I mean -they learn and they can be top students. Multisensory ways of teaching for learning to talk and learning in school seem to work. For Tanner I found fun competitions or rewards made him reach for places academically that many professionals didn't believe him capable. I have Tanner's story here http://cherab.org/information/familiesrelate/letter.html And update to the above is Tanner is still mainstreamed -plays football and basketball (not special needs -mainstream and a good player) has lots of friends -and mainly an A and B student. For all purposes he is " normal " Is his speech 100%? Not really- but he's still improving on it. In a recent conversation Tanner decided he wanted to be an attorney and said " but what if my speech thing got in my way? " And we talked about various strategies and Tanner decided that he would represent kids with special needs (and not only for the reason you think...he is afraid if he puts a murderer in jail they would " come after " him) 2. What solutions were considered and were succesful in helping the person overcome or adapt to the his or her disability? For preschool Tanner attended " out of district " placement at the Summit Speech School for the hearing impaired. I have numerous theories as to why a school for the hearing impaired may benefit a hearing apraxic child. But while nobody can know for " sure " why this type of schooling has been working -it's been working. Look at the Association Method schools as just one example " The DuBard Association Method is a phonetic, multisensory teaching-learning strategy which was designed for language-deficient children. It was devised originally by the late Mildred McGinnis, a teacher at Central Institute for the Deaf in St. Louis. It has been modified and expanded by Etoile DuBard and the staff of The University of Southern Mississippi's DuBard School for Language Disorders during 40 years of the school's operation. " http://www.usm.edu/dubard/practicum.html Even before I was aware of this school/method my feeling was that if someone can help Helen Keller to talk...they should be able to help Tanner. I found intensive appropriate traditional speech therapy to be very beneficial as well as occupation therapy. There is a huge amount of alternative therapies I have explored as well with both my boys and can recommend a few of them as well. For apraxia I highly recommend fish oils -but needs to be a specific omega 3/6 formula for best results. May want to read this http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/Englemed.html If you read The Late Talker book we outline quite a few multisensory therapies in there too. 3. What solutions were considered and failed? For apraxia the one solution I never considered nor approved of was a behavioral approach which our town preschool tried with Tanner and it was not only ineffective but cruel. This is probably for me anyway the main reason that I'm upset about the number of apraxic children being misdiagnosed today as autistic as ABA is one of the well known methods for that condition. We know both from this group as well as professionals that quite a few children are being misdiagnosed as autistic -possibly as high as 30 to 40% of children diagnosed as autistic. Then there are those that are autistic and apraxic- so in those situations ABA may be effective if done in a modified way where everyone is aware of the motor planning impairments and other physical limitations. Here's one of the worst real life examples of how ineffective and detrimental a misdiagnosis of autism and ABA therapy can be for an apraxic (if you need to speak to 's mom Robin let me know) http://www.cherab.org/news/.html 4. What improvements can you suggest that are offer for students with these disabilities that can help them enhance their learning experience. I highly suggest all professionals that work with verbal disabled students study the work of Dr. Rosenthal to try to help them from falling into the trap of assuming that a communication impairment goes hand in hand with a learning disability. For preschool years for sure a multisensory approach is probably going to be the most effective. Another great aspect is utilizing the FM systems in the classroom which I believe have been proven effective for various types of learning styles and abilities. Encouraging parents to turn on the closed caption for the TVs their child will be watching because research has shown that the hearing siblings of deaf children are learning to read earlier because of it. And it's free! For older students I have a list of things I'm seeing myself for my own son -but if I have to keep it short -remember that one's ability to communicate verbally should not reflect upon their ability to think, learn, and feel. Students know when they are not viewed in a positive light. Older students know when they are " messing up " what they are trying to communicate. So always providing that student with the time or method needed to enable them to express themselves. if it helps -have the teachers treat them as they would a deaf student because that today is a condition that no longer carries the negative stereotype that other verbal disabilities carry. 5. Could you suggest anything else that I should consider or any comments about your experience(s). I believe we should feature more positive examples to teachers of how students can have a verbal disability and be a top student. I'll never forget how Tanner's one teacher once said to me in shock " I can't believe how Tanner just goes up to people and starts talking to them and he's not at all self conscious about his speech " And I said " why should he be? We raised him to have a high self esteem and he is fully aware that he has an impairment in speech -understands what it is -and knows that it's something he is working on " And of course I believe that everyone that works with " late talker " children should read The Late Talker book..and not just because I'm one of the co authors -but because experts in every field including education agree: " Full of terrifically practical and encouraging information . . . Everyone on the team helping your late-talking child will benefit from reading this book. " --Martha R. Herbert, M.D., Ph.D., Pediatric Neurologist, Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School " Oral language—the ability to communicate needs, feelings and opinions via verbal speech—is the coin-of-the-realm in today's society. One must be able to interact verbally with others and an inability to do so, can greatly hamper a child's development and independence. For most children, oral language develops quite naturally. As the child's vocabulary and syntax emerges, he becomes better able to communicate with others and gains control of his environment. A child's failure to develop normal verbal language can create great angst for his parents and caregivers. When a parent has concerns about the child's language development, she often turns to family members or neighbors for `expert' advice. The counsel that is provided generally ranges from unwarranted panic to laissez-faire advice that the child `will grow out of it.' Neither of these reactions is particularly helpful or effective. However, The Late Talker by Agin, Geng and Nicholl provides useful, field tested advice for parents who are concerned about their child's language development. This gem of a book provides an immensely readable overview of normal language development and a thorough review of the cause of language delays and disabilities. The material offers comfort and counsel for the anxious parents. The great strength of The Late Talker is its transdisciplinary approach to the topic. Dr. Agin offers a thoughtful medical perspective on the problem and translates the related research into understandable and useful terms. Co-author Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 , Whats the website where you can buy the fish oils? -------------- Original message from " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>: -------------- Hi My Trang and welcome! I do hope that many others have answered you already -but here's my answers to your questions: 1. Please tell me about your personal story or stories that you face with having or your child has with apraxia. Learning disabilities? Challenges? My son was born in 1996 and diagnosed with apraxia in 1999. Back then there was little to no support in person or on the web for apraxia. I started a support group out of the Children's Specialized Hospital in Mountainside, NJ as " Children's Apraxia Network " and within a year I realized that not all of the members had young children, and not all were diagnosed with apraxia. For me the hardest thing about raising a child with apraxia vs a child that has a condition that is well documented is the ignorance from everyone. My oldest son Dakota was also a late talker and needed speech therapy -but his issues went far beyond speech as he was a traumatic delivery and in intensive care from birth with severe head and neck injuries and with eating and even breathing problems. His injuries were life threatening. In some ways even though apraxia is not life threatening it was much more stressful for me with my apraxic son Tanner because I didn't have the professionals comforting me and educating me on what I needed to do to help Dakota -I had to argue and fight the ignorance every step of the way. I do believe that part of the ignorance spills into the myth that a speech impairment means a learning disability. I do appreciate that historically that's what has been the case. But in my experience " late talkers " have phenomenal memories which if used to the advantage can make them excel as students. For sure an apraxic child does not learn like the normal child. But who am I to say that is a learning disability -I mean -they learn and they can be top students. Multisensory ways of teaching for learning to talk and learning in school seem to work. For Tanner I found fun competitions or rewards made him reach for places academically that many professionals didn't believe him capable. I have Tanner's story here http://cherab.org/information/familiesrelate/letter.html And update to the above is Tanner is still mainstreamed -plays football and basketball (not special needs -mainstream and a good player) has lots of friends -and mainly an A and B student. For all purposes he is " normal " Is his speech 100%? Not really- but he's still improving on it. In a recent conversation Tanner decided he wanted to be an attorney and said " but what if my speech thing got in my way? " And we talked about various strategies and Tanner decided that he would represent kids with special needs (and not only for the reason you think...he is afraid if he puts a murderer in jail they would " come after " him) 2. What solutions were considered and were succesful in helping the person overcome or adapt to the his or her disability? For preschool Tanner attended " out of district " placement at the Summit Speech School for the hearing impaired. I have numerous theories as to why a school for the hearing impaired may benefit a hearing apraxic child. But while nobody can know for " sure " why this type of schooling has been working -it's been working. Look at the Association Method schools as just one example " The DuBard Association Method is a phonetic, multisensory teaching-learning strategy which was designed for language-deficient children. It was devised originally by the late Mildred McGinnis, a teacher at Central Institute for the Deaf in St. Louis. It has been modified and expanded by Etoile DuBard and the staff of The University of Southern Mississippi's DuBard School for Language Disorders during 40 years of the school's operation. " http://www.usm.edu/dubard/practicum.html Even before I was aware of this school/method my feeling was that if someone can help Helen Keller to talk...they should be able to help Tanner. I found intensive appropriate traditional speech therapy to be very beneficial as well as occupation therapy. There is a huge amount of alternative therapies I have explored as well with both my boys and can recommend a few of them as well. For apraxia I highly recommend fish oils -but needs to be a specific omega 3/6 formula for best results. May want to read this http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/Englemed.html If you read The Late Talker book we outline quite a few multisensory therapies in there too. 3. What solutions were considered and failed? For apraxia the one solution I never considered nor approved of was a behavioral approach which our town preschool tried with Tanner and it was not only ineffective but cruel. This is probably for me anyway the main reason that I'm upset about the number of apraxic children being misdiagnosed today as autistic as ABA is one of the well known methods for that condition. We know both from this group as well as professionals that quite a few children are being misdiagnosed as autistic -possibly as high as 30 to 40% of children diagnosed as autistic. Then there are those that are autistic and apraxic- so in those situations ABA may be effective if done in a modified way where everyone is aware of the motor planning impairments and other physical limitations. Here's one of the worst real life examples of how ineffective and detrimental a misdiagnosis of autism and ABA therapy can be for an apraxic (if you need to speak to 's mom Robin let me know) http://www.cherab.org/news/.html 4. What improvements can you suggest that are offer for students with these disabilities that can help them enhance their learning experience. I highly suggest all professionals that work with verbal disabled students study the work of Dr. Rosenthal to try to help them from falling into the trap of assuming that a communication impairment goes hand in hand with a learning disability. For preschool years for sure a multisensory approach is probably going to be the most effective. Another great aspect is utilizing the FM systems in the classroom which I believe have been proven effective for various types of learning styles and abilities. Encouraging parents to turn on the closed caption for the TVs their child will be watching because research has shown that the hearing siblings of deaf children are learning to read earlier because of it. And it's free! For older students I have a list of things I'm seeing myself for my own son -but if I have to keep it short -remember that one's ability to communicate verbally should not reflect upon their ability to think, learn, and feel. Students know when they are not viewed in a positive light. Older students know when they are " messing up " what they are trying to communicate. So always providing that student with the time or method needed to enable them to express themselves. if it helps -have the teachers treat them as they would a deaf student because that today is a condition that no longer carries the negative stereotype that other verbal disabilities carry. 5. Could you suggest anything else that I should consider or any comments about your experience(s). I believe we should feature more positive examples to teachers of how students can have a verbal disability and be a top student. I'll never forget how Tanner's one teacher once said to me in shock " I can't believe how Tanner just goes up to people and starts talking to them and he's not at all self conscious about his speech " And I said " why should he be? We raised him to have a high self esteem and he is fully aware that he has an impairment in speech -understands what it is -and knows that it's something he is working on " And of course I believe that everyone that works with " late talker " children should read The Late Talker book..and not just because I'm one of the co authors -but because experts in every field including education agree: " Full of terrifically practical and encouraging information . . . Everyone on the team helping your late-talking child will benefit from reading this book. " --Martha R. Herbert, M.D., Ph.D., Pediatric Neurologist, Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School " Oral language—the ability to communicate needs, feelings and opinions via verbal speech—is the coin-of-the-realm in today's society. One must be able to interact verbally with others and an inability to do so, can greatly hamper a child's development and independence. For most children, oral language develops quite naturally. As the child's vocabulary and syntax emerges, he becomes better able to communicate with others and gains control of his environment. A child's failure to develop normal verbal language can create great angst for his parents and caregivers. When a parent has concerns about the child's language development, she often turns to family members or neighbors for `expert' advice. The counsel that is provided generally ranges from unwarranted panic to laissez-faire advice that the child `will grow out of it.' Neither of these reactions is particularly helpful or effective. However, The Late Talker by Agin, Geng and Nicholl provides useful, field tested advice for parents who are concerned about their child's language development. This gem of a book provides an immensely readable overview of normal language development and a thorough review of the cause of language delays and disabilities. The material offers comfort and counsel for the anxious parents. The great strength of The Late Talker is its transdisciplinary approach to the topic. Dr. Agin offers a thoughtful medical perspective on the problem and translates the related research into understandable and useful terms. Co-author Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 also My Trang I should have added the following study. I highly recommend that those that have children with verbal disabilities start kindergarten at 6 vs. 5 to give them that extra year old therapy and developmental time: " Research Link / When Children Aren't Ready for Kindergarten H. Holloway How can schools promote the achievement of children who are old enough to enroll in kindergarten but who are not developmentally ready to succeed? Two approaches that parents and schools commonly use are delaying the child's entry into kindergarten and retaining the child in kindergarten for an extra year. Giving children an extra year, whether through delayed entry or kindergarten retention, makes sense in view of the ample research suggesting that the youngest children tend to lag behind their classmates. West, Denton, and Reaney (2000) found that in the spring of their kindergarten year, younger children had lower reading and mathematics knowledge and skills on average than did their older counterparts. These researchers also found that older kindergartners were more likely to persist at tasks, more eager to learn, and better able to pay attention. Delayed Entry Versus Kindergarten Retention To avoid the disadvantage suffered by younger students, some parents choose to delay the entry of their children into kindergarten. Zill, Loomis, and West (1997) found that children whose kindergarten entry was delayed so that they started kindergarten when they were older performed better than their younger classmates in grades 1 and 2. These researchers concluded that the extra year before starting kindergarten does not harm the children who are held out and may help most of them. In contrast, the researchers discovered that children who repeated kindergarten were doing worse than their younger classmates on most school performance indicators by 1st or 2nd grade. For instance, two- thirds of the retained students had received some negative feedback from teachers compared with less than half of the nonretained students. The retained students were also much more likely to have problems concentrating, to perform below their capabilities, and to act up and disrupt the class. Zill, Loomis, and West concluded that repeating kindergarten had not helped those children and may have actually made matters worse. Reasons for the Differences What explains the difference between the school performance of delayed-entry children and those who repeat kindergarten? Both groups of students are older than most of their classmates, so why don't the beneficial effects of being older apply to both groups? Some possible answers are that The underlying developmental problems of the two groups may differ. The two groups may have different socioeconomic backgrounds. Parents who choose to delay their children's school entry may have a higher level of awareness and involvement. The stigmatizing effect of being required to repeat a grade may harm children's academic progress. Educational Leadership, " When Children Aren't Ready for Kindergarten, " H. Holloway, Volume 60, Number 7 (April 2003), pp. 89-90 ~~~~~~~~ The above is a clip of the original which is now hard to find online. One source of this article is here http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/custom/portlets/recordDetails/detailmini.js\ p?_nfpb=true & _ & ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=EJ666037 & ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=n\ o & accno=EJ666037 ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Thank you . What are little fishies? Do they take the place of anything? -------------- Original message from " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>: -------------- http://www.speech411.com or http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/efabasics.html ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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