Re: Thirty-Six Thousand People Do Not Die Each Year from Regular Fl

[Guest guest]

Swine flu is not DEADLY unless you have immune deficiencies like AIDS, TB and

other Autoimmune issues like LUPUS!!! The flu will worsen the patient in this

cases... but flu is NOT DEADLY!!! You may feel really bad for a few weeks but it

won't kill you!!! The people that have died in MEXICO are poor, malnurished and

TB is still around actually there is a TB vaccine in MEXICO that can also

complicate the prognosis of the patients!!! And the deaths have not been proven

without a doubt to be a cause of the flu... In Mexico, you give the authorities

money and they will create a PANDEMIC there and then NO QUESTIONS ASKED!!! THIS

IS A TAMIFLU MARKETING TECHNIQUE!!! They are creating a " WAR " to create money

income... And mind that TAMIFLU causes Brain Damage!!! But they don't care!!! It

is not about health it is about MONEY!!!

 

 

Lessons From 1976 Flu Vaccinations (audio):

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1976 Swine Flu deaths=1 & 1976 Swine flu vaccine deaths=25 (L.A. Times)

 

1976 swine flu PSAs attempt to scare citizens into getting shots

 

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to-citizens-into-getting-shots.html

 

Politics, Profits & Pandemic Fear Mongering

 

by Barbara Loe Fisher

 

Are you grabbing your face mask, stocking up on food and Tamiflu, locking your

doors and keeping your TV tuned to the news to find out just how bad the " swine

flu pandemic " really is going to get? While Americans are being scared to death,

few are noticing how much of their tax money politicians are giving to drug

companies and government health officials to grease the skids to create more

experimental flu vaccines and drugs and more effective ways to quarantine or

force their mass use whenever a " public health emergency " is declared in the

future.

Call me cynical but not clueless. The bird's eye view I have had for the past 27

years at the National Vaccine Information Center has taught me one thing: the

global alliance between Big Pharma and Big Public Health is a prescription for

disaster that could extend far beyond a bout with the flu.

The international drama playing out right now before our eyes is an example of

how citizens around the world can be easily manipulated by doctors and

politicians engaging in fear mongering in the name of disease control to forward

agendas that have more to do with ideology, power and corporate profits than

health. When the U.S. Director of Homeland Security is the government official

doing the talking rather than the U.S. Director of the Centers for Disease

Control, put a copy of the U.S. Constitution in your pocket and take a look at

federal and state legislation passed since September 11, 2001 to understand

which civil rights you don't have anymore when government health officials

declare a " public health emergency. "

But before we take a look at the threat to civil liberties that pandemic fear

mongering poses, let's take a look at how creation of a global human market for

influenza vaccines works. It is a blueprint for Successful Marketing 101 (or

perhaps it is all just a coincidence).

In 2006, the World Health Organization (WHO) issued an international call for

all nations to do whatever it takes to increase public appetite and demand for

annual influenza shots as the main strategy to prepare for an influenza

pandemic. In April 2007, the WHO used money donated by the U.S. Department of

Health and Human Services (DHHS) to fund the creation of influenza vaccine

manufacturing plants in Mexico and other countries one week after the FDA gave

Sanofi Pasteur a license to produce an experimental bird flu (H5N1) vaccine.

Sanofi Pasteur is just one of many drug companies the U.S. government has given

millions of dollars to for the creation of bird flu vaccines.

On February 19, 2009, the FDA's Vaccines & Related Biological Products Advisory

Committee (VRBPAC) discussed whether to give approval for the testing of

experimental bird flu vaccine on American infants. VRBPAC consumer member, also

NVIC's Director of Patient Safety Vicky Debold,PhD, warned that testing of an

experimental pandemic bird flu vaccine on infants in the absence of a real

epidemic and without assurances that unapproved novel oil based (squalene)

adjuvants (AS03, MF59) are safe, could pose unacceptable risks in terms of

inducing severe immune dysfunction.

On February 27, 2009 it was confirmed that an influenza vaccine maker, Baxter

International, had released a mixture of seasonal influenza viruses mixed with

unlabeled live bird flu viruses to facilities in Czechoslovakia, Germany, and

Slovenia. Baxter, which is waiting for a license to manufacturer bird flu

vaccine, explained it was an " accident " and that no harm was done.

On April 23, 2009, the world heard the first news reports about a mysterious pig

(H1N1) and bird (H5N1)and human hybrid influenza virus that was making people

sick near a Mexican pig farm. By April 30, the WHO had issued a Phase 5 " Alert "

warning that the world was facing an imminent pandemic influenza epidemic on the

strength of several hundred cases of " swine " flu and less than 10 confirmed

deaths.

The pandemic flu panic that has an especially strong grip on people living in

Mexico and the U.S., thanks to the governments of both countries declaring a

" public health emergency, " has been a good thing for pharmaceutical companies in

the pandemic flu business. Wall Street revealed that the pandemic scare sent

stock prices soaring for drug companies making anti-viral drugs, rapid flu

diagnosis tests and influenza vaccines. Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoKline,

Novavax, Baxter, & , Roche, BioCryst, and Vical are among the

drug companies likely to benefit from the world pandemic panic..

In all the chaos that has Americans running to drug stores to buy face masks,

closing schools to wipe desks down with rubbing alcohol and avoiding public

transportation, there is action being taken behind the scenes by politicians and

government health officials to prepare the way for implementation of future

quarantine and mass vaccination of citizens with experimental vaccines and drugs

that have by- passed normal FDA regulations for demonstrating purity and potency

of pharmaceutical products. A " public health emergency " has become an excuse to

grease the skids and rush to market experimental drugs and vaccines that are not

subject to product liability in the civil courts.

The creation of this pharmaceutical company stockholder dream scenario and

simultaneous erosion of civil liberties in the name of disease control began in

earnest in 21st century America after the tragic events on September 11, 2001.

In a time defined by shock, fear, anger and deep sadness, Congress reacted

quickly and passed the Homeland Security Act while CDC officials pulled out

model state legislation (Model State Emergency Health Powers Act) that gave

sweeping new powers to public health officials to use the militia, if necessary,

to quarantine citizens and force them to use experimental drugs and vaccines

after the U.S. Secretary of Health declares a " public health emergency. "

The stampede in 2001/2002 to re-write long standing public health laws in this

country was fueled by reports that terrorists were in possession of weaponized

smallpox and anthrax, a fear that was fostered by U.S. government officials and

New York Times journalists reporting Iraq had secret stockpiles of weaponized

smallpox and anthrax. This myth played a role in public support for the

U.S.-Iraq War and persuaded Congress to pass Bioshield and pandemic influenza

vaccine legislation that gave billions of dollars to vaccine manufacturers, the

Department of Defense (DOD) and the Department of Health and Human Services

(DHHS) to create experimental bioeterrorism and pandemic flu vaccines while

protecting drug companies and doctors from liability for vaccine injuries and

deaths that will occur.

The mandated, mass use of multiple vaccines has become big business in the last

quarter century since the U.S. Congress passed a law in 1986 shielding vaccine

makers and doctors from liability for vaccine injuries and deaths and the

numbers of vaccines recommended by the federal health officials for American

children multiplied from 23 doses of 7 vaccines to 48 doses of 14 vaccines from

birth to age six. For older children and adults, there are several dozen more

federally recommended or state mandated vaccinations.

All of this liability protection and government vaccine mandating has been a

boon for vaccine profit- making and public health agency empire building. In

1986, four drug companies made and sold vaccines in America and, by 2007, after

corporate mergers and acquisitions there were six drug company giants making and

selling vaccines in the U.S. Today, there are more drug companies seeking to

enter the lucrative multi- billion dollar U.S. vaccine market as financial

predictions for global profits from the worldwide vaccine business by 2010 have

climbed to more than $20B.

A true global influenza pandemic that could take out projected millions of

people is something all nations should prepare for using reasonable strategies

to ensure the public health and safety. However, it is a matter of legitimate

debate as to whether the primary strategy being urged by the WHO, pharmaceutical

companies and government health agencies around the world - ramping up

production and use of seasonal influenza vaccine and fast tracking the creation

and human testing of influenza vaccines using novel but potentially risky

adjuvants and cell substrates - is the way to effectively deal with public

health or a future influenza pandemic.

Certainly, the loss of the human right to bodily integrity and informed consent

to taking pharmaceutical drugs and vaccines that may pose serious health risks

is not justified in the name of controlling pandemic influenza or any other

infectious disease outbreak. Politicians should not bow to additional pressure

from vaccine manufacturers and public health officials to by-pass normal FDA

standards in proving safety and efficacy of pandemic flu vaccines and their

components for the purpose of rushing them to market in response to the pandemic

panic that has been created. The swine flu debacle of 1976 should have taught

Congress that lesson.

A rational perspective that reduces pandemic fear and includes common sense

advice for staying healthy in every season is being offered by holistic health

doctors, such as ph Mercola, D.O. and physician Congressman Ron , M.D.

The next time you turn on the TV or the radio or search the internet for the

latest news on the flu pandemic, take a deep breath and consider all the natural

ways to stay healthy and resist influenza or any illness : washing your hands;

eating nutritious food; drinking plenty of water; getting enough exercise, rest

and sunshine, and lowering stress - which includes not walking around filled

with fear, anxiety and dread.

 

 

 

Love, Gabby. :0)

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" I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God had

some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin. " ~ Jerry Newport

 

 

[Guest guest]

again another who just likes to write words and has absolutely no

credentials or background in the topics he chooses to write about!

About the author: Mike is a natural health author and technology pioneer

with a passion for teaching people how to improve their health He has authored

more than 1,500 articles and dozens of reports, guides and interviews on natural

health topics.............blah, blah, blah!!!!!

And ALL people who live in Mexico are poor,malnourished and the one and only way

to die of the Flu is if you have TB or AIDS?? C MON!!!I bet there are lots of

people who would see that as blatant STEREOTYPING of a whole country of people!!

I'm sure I could find some people who have family there that would disagree with

a statement like that.

So--by your logic and some clown who decides he likes to write- is positive that

the 7ry old who died in my sons school last year--did not die of the Flu, nor

did the little girl in Tx who happen to visit Mexico--I guess they both had TB

or Aids and the CONSPIRACY of the govt and drug companies are the reason we have

not been let in on the secret!!

good friggin lord!

<gabrieladevelbiss@...> wrote:

>

> Swine flu is not DEADLY unless you have immune deficiencies like AIDS, TB and

other Autoimmune issues like LUPUS!!! The flu will worsen the patient in this

cases... but flu is NOT DEADLY!!! You may feel really bad for a few weeks but it

won't kill you!!! The people that have died in MEXICO are poor, malnurished and

TB is still around actually there is a TB vaccine in MEXICO that can also

complicate the prognosis of the patients!!!

[Guest guest]

You can easily get sick from the water which if you have that combined with the

flu is a deadly combination.It is also a very crowded place where it takes a lot

of time to recieve the appropiate care. 

>

> Swine flu is not DEADLY unless you have immune deficiencies like AIDS, TB and

other Autoimmune issues like LUPUS!!! The flu will worsen the patient in this

cases... but flu is NOT DEADLY!!! You may feel really bad for a few weeks but it

won't kill you!!! The people that have died in MEXICO are poor, malnurished and

TB is still around actually there is a TB vaccine in MEXICO that can also

complicate the prognosis of the patients!!!

[Guest guest]

Since a blog was posted from the LA Times -thought I'd post the actual article.

Interesting point to note is that it's the poorest countries (translate that to

less vaccines) that have the highest death rate. Not shocking to me -but very

sad.

Swine flu scare awakens echoes of fearsome 1918 flu epidemic that killed

multitudes

JERRY SCHWARTZ, Associated Press Writer

9:58 AM PDT, May 2, 2009

The calendar says 2009, but our fears say it is 1918.

The front page tells us about Mexico, and a new strain of influenza that has

killed more than a dozen people there and spread to the United States and Europe

and Asia.

But our dire imaginations take us back to another contagion in another century.

Victims sometimes died within hours, blood coursing from noses and mouths;

coffins piled high on city streets. Worldwide, multitudes succumbed — 40

million, 100 million, no one knows for sure.

Could it all be unfolding again?

It's unlikely. The Spanish flu epidemic was, in the words of writer Lynette

Iezzoni, " the most catastrophic season of death in human history. " The cause was

a new virus with a special talent for slaughter; scientists literally did not

know what they were dealing with.

Mass movements of men to fight in World War I helped spread the disease, while

government officials — eager to keep wartime morale high, and panic low —

downplayed the disaster.

We live in a very different time. No one knows whether the new swine flu will

develop into a major killer, but viruses are better understood. U.S. health

officials say the new strain's genetic makeup doesn't show specific traits that

showed up in 1918. Communications are quicker and treatments like Tamiflu are

available. And governments are taking the new swine flu very seriously, and have

planned for the best, the worst and everything in between.

But we move around a lot more than our grandparents and great-grandparents did,

taking planes to distant cities and our cars to the neighborhood Starbucks.

Viruses tag along.

Even though our health-care system is much more sophisticated, it too could be

overwhelmed by even a milder flu epidemic, authorities say. And while modern

medicine can do miracles, it cannot conquer nature entirely.

" No matter how well we prepare, " says Dr. Schaffner, chairman of the

Department of Preventive Medicine at Vanderbilt University, " there will be

illness, there will be death. "

___

It started at Fort Riley, Kan., on March 11, 1918, when Army Pvt. Albert

Gitchell reported to the camp hospital with a fever, sore throat and headache.

" Just the flu. Nothing to worry about, " writes Iezzoni in her book, " Influenza

1918: The Worst Epidemic in American History. " ''A minute later, however,

another sick soldier showed up. Then another. By noon, the baffled hospital

staff had 107 cases on their hands. By week's end: 522. In the next month, well

over a thousand. "

All together, 48 died in that outbreak. The flu spread to other army camps, to a

Detroit auto plant, to New York City and Minneapolis and some other cities. The

death totals were not especially alarming, but some authorities noted something

puzzling: The victims were more often young, healthy adults, the people who are

normally least likely to die of the flu.

For most health authorities of the time, the flu was an afterthought. Years

later, when Brigitte Charaus was researching the 1918 epidemic in Milwaukee, she

found that flu fatalities were not normally recorded.

" Here I am, looking at the year of one of the most significant disease events in

human history, and it's a penciled-in number, " says Charaus, now a professor of

history at Santa Clara University. " Obviously, it caught everyone by surprise. "

The illness faded in the United States, but spread around the world. It came to

be called the Spanish influenza — perhaps because the Spaniards, who were not at

war, did not censor reports of the disease's toll.

Then, in August, the flu suddenly became a hard-core killer. The mutation, it

appears, occurred in Brest, France. Boston was the first American city to

suffer.

The victims coughed and suffered high fevers and bloody discharges. Pneumonia

often followed the flu, and victims turned purple, drowning in their own fluids.

Soon, corpses were literally piling up in the cities. In New Haven, Conn.,

6-year-old Deleno broke his nose climbing on the caskets outside a

mortuary, not realizing that there were bodies inside. In West Philadelphia,

Donohue's funeral home hired men to guard coffins that were in short supply —

they were being stolen.

Philadelphia was the hardest-hit city in America; on a single day in October,

711 people died there. Authorities had assured the populace that there was no

reason to fear the flu and, like others around the country, Philadelphians had

jammed War Bond and Liberty Loan rallies, had gathered in large groups to

register for the draft.

It was, writes historian Alfred Crosby, " a pattern of complete insanity. "

People were advised to wear masks (mostly useless). They were inoculated with

bacteria (entirely useless). They were told that cigarettes would kill the

germs. Rumors circulated that Bayer aspirin was being used by Germany to spread

the flu.

The public health system groaned under the strain. Doctors and nurses — already

in short supply because of the war — sickened at high rates and took their place

in hospital beds next to their patients on those rare occasions when beds were

available at all.

lin D. Roosevelt, then assistant secretary of the Navy, caught the flu. So

did McCarthy and Anne Porter, who would grow up to be writers,

Amelia Earhart and Gen. " Black Jack " Pershing. And President Woodrow

, who contracted the disease during the postwar conference at Versailles

and was unable to argue for his war aims forcefully.

The worst of it ended, coincidentally, with the end of the war in November,

though there were flare-ups around the world through the next spring. In the

end, an estimated 675,000 Americans died, including about 57,000 soldiers —

3,500 more than died on World War I battlefields. In a population of 103

million, nearly a quarter caught the flu.

But others suffered even more. In India, alone, as many as 20 million people

died.

___

M. Barry is tired of talking about the 1918 epidemic.

But because of the similarities between the current flu and the 1918 epidemic —

both were new viruses that started with a fairly mild outbreak in the spring and

appeared to strike healthy, young adults hardest — the author of " The Great

Influenza: The Epic Story of the Deadliest Plague in History " is much in demand

for interviews.

Truth be told, he is eager to do his part to prevent the mistakes that were made

in 1918 from being made again.

In 1918, public health officials did what they often have done, before and

since: They reassured the public instead of sounding the alarm.

Barry says Obama administration officials have not sugarcoated the dangers of

the flu.

" You need to prepare people for what might happen, " he says. " I think we're

seeing that. "

Barry does not think air travel has greatly increased the likelihood of an

epidemic. The 1918 flu eventually reached nearly every corner of the globe. In

the 17th century, he says, it took just six to eight weeks for a flu virus to

cross the Atlantic Ocean and kill more Native Americans than smallpox did.

A virulent, highly contagious strain will spread. Period.

Barry says the government has done much more planning for an epidemic. But our

global economy has become far more dependent on constant resupply by truck and

train, ship and plane; Barry worries that an epidemic might disrupt the

distribution of goods and cause great shortages.

And he wonders whether people have changed very much since 1918, when fear

literally killed: " People became so panic-stricken that victims were actually

starving to death because their neighbors and in some cases their families were

frightened to bring them food. "

Vanderbilt's Schaffner also wonders whether anyone in today's world would help

people who are in quarantine — and even whether 21st-century Americans,

suspicious of authority, would be willing to accept lengthy quarantines at all.

He fears that the hospitals of 2009 might be as overwhelmed by a flu epidemic as

were the hospitals of 1918. For years, the government has pressured medical

centers to reduce their beds and staff to save money, and now they have

virtually no extra capacity, he says.

Nor do they have great stores of pharmaceuticals, masks, gloves and gowns.

Hospital pharmacies used to stock up, but now, like most industries, they order

just enough for current needs, Schaffner says. What happens when those needs

suddenly skyrocket?

The economics of hospitals are so very different now. " Elective surgeries will

have to be canceled, " Schaffner says. " That's how we make our money. We are not

going to make money on those influenza patients. " Who would pay?

In 2006, professor J.L. Murray of the Harvard Initiative for Global

Health published a study in the British journal Lancet in which he estimated

that a global pandemic like the Spanish flu would kill between 51 million and 81

million people today.

Yes, there are more treatments available than there were then. Yes, vaccines may

be produced quickly to limit the damage. Mostly, the wealthy nations would

benefit.

" When resources to tackle the health problems already present in the community —

including HIV, tuberculosis, malaria, cardiovascular diseases and road traffic

accidents — are already scarce, how much can these populations afford to spend

on preparing for a potentially very harmful but also very uncertain threat? "

Murray asks.

And so, he says, if a contagion on the scale of the Spanish flu was to afflict

the world once again, poor nations would suffer the most — just as they did in

1918.

Some things never change.

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