Re: OB/GYN suggests Flu Shot for Whole Family

[Guest guest]

Nadine-

simply put--a good friend of mine was told to get the Flu vaccine during her

pregnancy with twins.

She now has a son with autism-- and it was definitely linked to the mercury in

the vaccine.

I wish she was here to express how dreadful that vaccine was for her and the

life of her son-- she would be able to convince you where I don't have the

words to even come close.

I *WILL* tell you, however, what my own OB/GYN told me with the flu vaccine

last winter--- he's *SUPPOSED* to tell all of his patients to get it (one of

those recommendations you know) and I questioned him, because I happen to know

that the flu vaccine is CONTRAINDICATED FOR ALL PREGNANT WOMEN, and I asked why

he would tell me to stay away from a certain amount of ocean fish, but then

suggest I get the vaccine that has mercury.

All I can say is that he had an interesting response-- and he is NOT in favor

of the flu vaccine, and yes, it indeed should not be given to women, but he has

to " do his job " and give that as a recommendation- but he follows through with

his own personal advice if the woman asks

I'd stay away from it at all costs-- and I DID stay away from it

bek

In a message dated 10/6/2008 9:36:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

nadineck@... writes:

Hi,

Came from OB/GYN appt today, am expecting our fourth baby on December

5. My third child, Will, has apraxia, and I've been trying to be as

effective as possible about creating a clean environment for the

little one I'm carrying.

My OB/GYN said the whole family... me, my three children and husband

should have flu shots to protect the baby from contracting the flu

over the winter season. She said that studies show more harm than good

comes from not taking the flu shot, and for a newborn, the flu can be

very serious.

None of the three kids have ever had any visibly bad side effects from

vaccines. But I'm wary, especially for the baby, to have a flu shot,

after reading all the posts here citing vaccines as having all kinds

of bad impact.

So, any thoughts? Should we all go ahead and take the shots to protect

the baby, or would it actually risk harming the baby?

Grateful for any input,

Nadine

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[Guest guest]

Hi Nadine!

Congratulations!!! A gift for the holidays!!!

I don't think this is the type of question you'll get one answer to.

It's tragic that children each year do die from something we don't

consider so serious -the flu

" Influenza-Associated Deaths among Children in the United States,

2003–2004 " by was " published " in the New England Journal of

Medicine -a " PubMed Citation " .

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/353/24/2559

There is much in the archives on this as far as types of vaccine flu-

shot/flu-mist. If you don't know how to archive let me know.

Our family has not had a flu shot yet (ever) and after reading last

year about the threat of the bird flu pandemic I thought maybe this

year we'd go for one -perhaps next year. Just read up on all the

pros and cons and sleep on it. You'll know what is right to do.

Here's some to start:

New York Times, United States - 30 minutes ago

October 7, 2008

Vital Signs

Treatment: Flu Vaccine for Pregnant Women Is 2 for 1

By NICHOLAS BAKALAR

For the first time, a clinical trial has shown that pregnant women who receive

the influenza vaccine provide immunity to their newborns as well. The vaccine is

not licensed for infants younger than 6 months, but is recommended by the

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for all pregnant women.

The study, published online Sept. 17 in The New England Journal of Medicine,

divided 340 pregnant women in Bangladesh into two groups. The first received the

flu vaccine; the second, a control group, received a vaccine for pneumococcal

disease. Then the researchers interviewed the mothers once a week for 24 weeks

to track the health of their infants.

Babies whose mothers took the flu vaccine had a 63 percent reduction in

influenza compared with the controls, and a 29 percent reduction in rates of

respiratory illness with fever.

According to the C.D.C., only 13 percent of pregnant women reported being

vaccinated in the 2006-7 flu season.

“I think that when it’s clear that immunizing the mother also has an effect on

the baby’s health, there may be more interest in immunizing mothers,” said Dr.

Mark C. Steinhoff, the senior author and a professor of pediatrics at s

Hopkins. “This is a real two for one. You immunize the mother, you protect two

people.”

The small study was supported in part by money from two pharmaceutical

companies.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/07/health/research/07baby.html?_r=1 & ref=science & p\

agewanted=print & oref=slogin

Here's another one

New Survey Shows Pregnant Women Unaware, Misinformed about Flu Shot Benefits

During Pregnancy

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/new-survey-shows-pregnant-women,568330.s\

html

But that's for pregnancy -here's one for kids

Flu Shots: Not So Helpful for Kids?

Study Shows Flu-Related Doctor Visits Weren't Reduced Despite Vaccination

By Salynn Boyles

WebMD Health NewsReviewed by Louise Chang, MD

http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20081006/flu-shots-not-so-helpful-for-kid\

s

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[Guest guest]

Don't get it for anyone. It has thimerosol (mercury) in it. Kristy

On Oct 6, 2008, at 8:33 PM, nadineck wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Came from OB/GYN appt today, am expecting our fourth baby on December

> 5. My third child, Will, has apraxia, and I've been trying to be as

> effective as possible about creating a clean environment for the

> little one I'm carrying.

>

> My OB/GYN said the whole family... me, my three children and husband

> should have flu shots to protect the baby from contracting the flu

> over the winter season. She said that studies show more harm than good

> comes from not taking the flu shot, and for a newborn, the flu can be

> very serious.

>

> None of the three kids have ever had any visibly bad side effects from

> vaccines. But I'm wary, especially for the baby, to have a flu shot,

> after reading all the posts here citing vaccines as having all kinds

> of bad impact.

>

> So, any thoughts? Should we all go ahead and take the shots to protect

> the baby, or would it actually risk harming the baby?

>

> Grateful for any input,

> Nadine

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tell her to show you what studies she is referring to. Last year's flu shot was

found to be ineffective.  Actually, many people who got the flu shot got sick.

 

Most flu shots have mercury in them. http://www.nvic.org/Diseases/Influenza.htm

 

Most flu shots contain mercury, especially adult ones.  Quite frankly, for an OB

to recommend this to a pregnant woman is in my opinion reckless. Mercury is know

to cause neurological problems.  It is the second most toxic substance on earth.

They tell you to watch your intake of tuna but want to inject mercury into your

blood stream when pregnant?????

From: nadineck <nadineck@...>

Subject: [ ] OB/GYN suggests Flu Shot for Whole Family

Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 9:33 PM

Hi,

Came from OB/GYN appt today, am expecting our fourth baby on December

5. My third child, Will, has apraxia, and I've been trying to be as

effective as possible about creating a clean environment for the

little one I'm carrying.

My OB/GYN said the whole family... me, my three children and husband

should have flu shots to protect the baby from contracting the flu

over the winter season. She said that studies show more harm than good

comes from not taking the flu shot, and for a newborn, the flu can be

very serious.

None of the three kids have ever had any visibly bad side effects from

vaccines. But I'm wary, especially for the baby, to have a flu shot,

after reading all the posts here citing vaccines as having all kinds

of bad impact.

So, any thoughts? Should we all go ahead and take the shots to protect

the baby, or would it actually risk harming the baby?

Grateful for any input,

Nadine

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Oh and by the way, don't get the flu mist either. It is live so if

you get it and sneeze or blow your nose, you've just spread the flu

droplets everywhere! Kristy

On Oct 6, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Kristy wrote:

> Don't get it for anyone. It has thimerosol (mercury) in it. Kristy

> On Oct 6, 2008, at 8:33 PM, nadineck wrote:

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > Came from OB/GYN appt today, am expecting our fourth baby on

> December

> > 5. My third child, Will, has apraxia, and I've been trying to be as

> > effective as possible about creating a clean environment for the

> > little one I'm carrying.

> >

> > My OB/GYN said the whole family... me, my three children and husband

> > should have flu shots to protect the baby from contracting the flu

> > over the winter season. She said that studies show more harm than

> good

> > comes from not taking the flu shot, and for a newborn, the flu can

> be

> > very serious.

> >

> > None of the three kids have ever had any visibly bad side effects

> from

> > vaccines. But I'm wary, especially for the baby, to have a flu shot,

> > after reading all the posts here citing vaccines as having all kinds

> > of bad impact.

> >

> > So, any thoughts? Should we all go ahead and take the shots to

> protect

> > the baby, or would it actually risk harming the baby?

> >

> > Grateful for any input,

> > Nadine

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here's the ones with and without thimerosal

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaxsupply.htm#table

=====

[Guest guest]

No thimerosol simply means less than two % of total weight. Less than

2% of contents need not be declared per FDA. Then there are the

aluminum concerns. Took that out of pet vaccines 10 years ago. If

only there were a PETA for people.

>

> Here's the ones with and without thimerosal

> http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaxsupply.htm#table

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

I highly agree! Do NOT get the flu shot, especially while pregnant. I

feel strongly that it was my prenatal flu shot and antibiotics that

sent my genetically predisposed dtr. into apraxia. I heard on NPR

that researchers are finding that there is an association between

multiple flu shots and increasing prostate cancer and Alzheimers.

Debra in CA

>

> From: nadineck <nadineck@...>

> Subject: [ ] OB/GYN suggests Flu Shot for Whole

Family

>

> Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 9:33 PM

>

> Hi,

>

> Came from OB/GYN appt today, am expecting our fourth baby on

December

> 5. My third child, Will, has apraxia, and I've been trying to be as

> effective as possible about creating a clean environment for the

> little one I'm carrying.

>

> My OB/GYN said the whole family... me, my three children and husband

> should have flu shots to protect the baby from contracting the flu

> over the winter season. She said that studies show more harm than

good

> comes from not taking the flu shot, and for a newborn, the flu can

be

> very serious.

>

> None of the three kids have ever had any visibly bad side effects

from

> vaccines. But I'm wary, especially for the baby, to have a flu shot,

> after reading all the posts here citing vaccines as having all kinds

> of bad impact.

>

> So, any thoughts? Should we all go ahead and take the shots to

protect

> the baby, or would it actually risk harming the baby?

>

> Grateful for any input,

> Nadine

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nadine,

As a nurse I am to advocate for flu vaccinations; especially to the young,

elderly or otherwise susceptible. But as a mom, I don't vaccinate.. The flu

vaccination will only protect you from the particular strain it supports, and

still can allow you to become infected with the virus. If the strain is

particularly virulent or easily spread, the flu vaccination may only lessen the

severity of symptoms. If you don't vaccinate and you or your children do become

infected, Tami-flu can be prescribed to lessen the severity and length of

influenza. I do this and feel much safer not subjecting my children to an

injection they may not need.

Joy

[ ] OB/GYN suggests Flu Shot for Whole Family

Hi,

Came from OB/GYN appt today, am expecting our fourth baby on December

5. My third child, Will, has apraxia, and I've been trying to be as

effective as possible about creating a clean environment for the

little one I'm carrying.

My OB/GYN said the whole family... me, my three children and husband

should have flu shots to protect the baby from contracting the flu

over the winter season. She said that studies show more harm than good

comes from not taking the flu shot, and for a newborn, the flu can be

very serious.

None of the three kids have ever had any visibly bad side effects from

vaccines. But I'm wary, especially for the baby, to have a flu shot,

after reading all the posts here citing vaccines as having all kinds

of bad impact.

So, any thoughts? Should we all go ahead and take the shots to protect

the baby, or would it actually risk harming the baby?

Grateful for any input,

Nadine

[Guest guest]

I JUST saw on the news last night that the flu shot that the CDC is

selling to the world isn't even really effective at protecting from

the flu. THEN, this morning on the TODAY SHOW (whatever Meredith

Viera is on...) a woman said that it protects very well (joke). IN

my VERY humble opinion, I say do NOT get a flu shot that is known to

contain thimersol (mercury) while you are pregnant. Why subject your

baby to mercury in the womb? That's just nuts to me. I also have a

friend, a grown woman, who became very inexplicably sick, heart

palpitations, numb hands, headaches for many months after getting a

flu shot. She went to doctor after doctor for them finally to

determine it was a reaction to the mercury in the vaccine. She

thought she was dying!!! Not kidding.

> >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > Came from OB/GYN appt today, am expecting our fourth baby on

> > December

> > > 5. My third child, Will, has apraxia, and I've been trying to

be as

> > > effective as possible about creating a clean environment for the

> > > little one I'm carrying.

> > >

> > > My OB/GYN said the whole family... me, my three children and

husband

> > > should have flu shots to protect the baby from contracting the

flu

> > > over the winter season. She said that studies show more harm

than

> > good

> > > comes from not taking the flu shot, and for a newborn, the flu

can

> > be

> > > very serious.

> > >

> > > None of the three kids have ever had any visibly bad side

effects

> > from

> > > vaccines. But I'm wary, especially for the baby, to have a flu

shot,

> > > after reading all the posts here citing vaccines as having all

kinds

> > > of bad impact.

> > >

> > > So, any thoughts? Should we all go ahead and take the shots to

> > protect

> > > the baby, or would it actually risk harming the baby?

> > >

> > > Grateful for any input,

> > > Nadine

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I was just wondering why they keep telling me that there is no thimerosol in one

brand that they carry at my peds.  I try to keep my kids away from

mercury....could they be lying to me?  We haven't gotten any flu shots this year

yet...but I know that they will ask us when we go in Nov.

Yvette

> Hi,

>

> Came from OB/GYN appt today, am expecting our fourth baby on December

> 5. My third child, Will, has apraxia, and I've been trying to be as

> effective as possible about creating a clean environment for the

> little one I'm carrying.

>

> My OB/GYN said the whole family... me, my three children and husband

> should have flu shots to protect the baby from contracting the flu

> over the winter season. She said that studies show more harm than good

> comes from not taking the flu shot, and for a newborn, the flu can be

> very serious.

>

> None of the three kids have ever had any visibly bad side effects from

> vaccines. But I'm wary, especially for the baby, to have a flu shot,

> after reading all the posts here citing vaccines as having all kinds

> of bad impact.

>

> So, any thoughts? Should we all go ahead and take the shots to protect

> the baby, or would it actually risk harming the baby?

>

> Grateful for any input,

> Nadine

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Because they do not know. Nobody reads the package or knows the FDA

regs until they get hurt by them.

>

> I was just wondering why they keep telling me that there is no

thimerosol in one brand that they carry at my peds.  I try to keep my

kids away from mercury....could they be lying to me?  We haven't

gotten any flu shots this year yet...but I know that they will ask us

when we go in Nov.

> Yvette

[Guest guest]

Nadine,

If you are breastfeeding exclusively--which I STRONGLY recommend ---your newborn

infant will be protected by the immune response your body will produce to most

viruses around.  You can still get the flu of course and be really sick, but

with proper nutrition, immune boosters high C and D and Zinc and a few other

natural supplements known to be OK with lactation, your baby will be protected

and what ever he/she will get will be very mild,. this happened to us when she

was 5 months and while she did have a runny no severe and some fever, she was

fine in just a few days and no real bad symptoms to speak of. but breastfeeding

and NO FORMULA are critical for this wonderful built in immunity nature devised

for babies to work properly. 

There are many other natural things you can do to protect against the flu, like

hydrogen peroxide gargling, sea salt gargling, Netti pot, chamomile infusions,

and hydrogen peroxide in the ears, 5 drops in each alternatively and this at the

very first sign of a cold--it will help decimate the bacteria and viruses

growing there and making a cold/flu so bad.  Just think natural and avoid

sugars, refined carbs and dairy as these too will strengthen the immune

response.  Stay healthy and have an easy third term and birth. Eat lots of

protein and leafy greens every day!

-Elena

From: nadineck <nadineck@...>

Subject: [ ] OB/GYN suggests Flu Shot for Whole Family

Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 9:33 PM

Hi,

Came from OB/GYN appt today, am expecting our fourth baby on December

5. My third child, Will, has apraxia, and I've been trying to be as

effective as possible about creating a clean environment for the

little one I'm carrying.

My OB/GYN said the whole family... me, my three children and husband

should have flu shots to protect the baby from contracting the flu

over the winter season. She said that studies show more harm than good

comes from not taking the flu shot, and for a newborn, the flu can be

very serious.

None of the three kids have ever had any visibly bad side effects from

vaccines. But I'm wary, especially for the baby, to have a flu shot,

after reading all the posts here citing vaccines as having all kinds

of bad impact.

So, any thoughts? Should we all go ahead and take the shots to protect

the baby, or would it actually risk harming the baby?

Grateful for any input,

Nadine

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi: I believe posted a website that showed which vaccines

contain mercury and which ones " do not " ( a certain amt is still

allowed for the vaccine to be listed as " no mercury " ) This is it :

www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaxsupply.htm#table. It looks like the some

of the single dose vials dont " contain mercury " . I used to work in a

pediatrician's office and now work in an OB office and both offer flu

vaccine. I gave many vaccines and gave my children vaccines under the

assumption that the MD new best and wouldnt steer me in the wrong

direction. I dont think the same way now. I believe that the flu shot

is engineered based on what strain seems to be the most dominant and

or virulent that particular year. It definitely does not cover all

the different strains out there and I dont feel comfortable giving

flu shots to pregnant women knowing that there is limited research on

the safety to the fetus when a pregnant woman receives it. I also

decided not to give it to my children.That's only my opinion. Good

luck... Kris

On Oct 7, 2008, at 2:34 PM, Christian Karriker wrote:

> I was just wondering why they keep telling me that there is no

> thimerosol in one brand that they carry at my peds. I try to keep

> my kids away from mercury....could they be lying to me? We haven't

> gotten any flu shots this year yet...but I know that they will ask

> us when we go in Nov.

> Yvette

>

[Guest guest]

Yvette-

No, most likely they aren't lying to you-- or at least not intentionally.

I believe that most of them will just use the wording that the FDA uses which

is " Mercury-free " even though there are trace amounts that are still there.

I don't think most health care professionals are AWARE of this

Becky

In a message dated 10/7/2008 6:18:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

bug3235@... writes:

I was just wondering why they keep telling me that there is no thimerosol in

one brand that they carry at my peds. I try to keep my kids away from

mercury....could they be lying to me?

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[Guest guest]

All Flu shots, brands and their ingredients:

http://www.novaccine.com/specific-vaccines/vaccine.asp?v_id=16

All vaccines in the market, brands and their ingredients:

http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/

 

Love, Gabby. :0)

http://stemcellforautism.blogspot.com/

 

" I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God had

some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin. " ~ Jerry Newport

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Breast feeding is a natural vaccination process and nothing can replace that, it

is priceless!!!   I am glad you have decided to go the natural way!!! Just

remember.. viruses and bacteria are not the problem it is a non functioning

immune system!!! That is why many HIV patients never develop AIDS, only the ones

that have a faulty immune system are at risk for any type of infection.... God

bless your socks off!!!

Love, Gabby. :0)

http://stemcellforautism.blogspot.com/

 

" I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God had

some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin. " ~ Jerry Newport

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

The CDC Website has a list of Thimerosal free flu vaccines. For the

most part it looks to me as if the single dose shots are ok. It is

the multi dose vials that you need to be concerned about.

- In , Christian Karriker

<bug3235@...> wrote:

>

> I was just wondering why they keep telling me that there is no

thimerosol in one brand that they carry at my peds.  I try to keep my

kids away from mercury....could they be lying to me?  We haven't

gotten any flu shots this year yet...but I know that they will ask us

when we go in Nov.

> Yvette

>

>

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > Came from OB/GYN appt today, am expecting our fourth baby on

December

> > 5. My third child, Will, has apraxia, and I've been trying to be

as

> > effective as possible about creating a clean environment for the

> > little one I'm carrying.

> >

> > My OB/GYN said the whole family... me, my three children and

husband

> > should have flu shots to protect the baby from contracting the flu

> > over the winter season. She said that studies show more harm than

good

> > comes from not taking the flu shot, and for a newborn, the flu

can be

> > very serious.

> >

> > None of the three kids have ever had any visibly bad side effects

from

> > vaccines. But I'm wary, especially for the baby, to have a flu

shot,

> > after reading all the posts here citing vaccines as having all

kinds

> > of bad impact.

> >

> > So, any thoughts? Should we all go ahead and take the shots to

protect

> > the baby, or would it actually risk harming the baby?

> >

> > Grateful for any input,

> > Nadine

> >

> >

> >

>

>