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Hi Lynda,

The book I referred to is called Plague Time: how stealth infections

cause cancers, heart disease, and other deadly ailments by

Ewald. I heard about it on the radio show The People's Pharmacy on

National Public Radio.

I didn't say anything about infections causing autoimmune disorders

specifically though. The conversation about autoimmune was someone

else saying there is research to suggest that it has a hand in

achalasia.

I can't recall what the book said on these matters. I know it talked

about various cancers and some well known diseases (that I can't

recall right now). So perhaps it did reference autoimmune. I can't

say. I should get it at the library again and finish reading it.

I don't know specifically about the pressure of the upper and lower

sphincter. I had the manometry/motility test but they never actually

told me anything about the results other than confirming the

achalasia diagnosis.

I'd like to know, though.

> (and others!)- Hello. My name is Lynda, a member of this

> group. I have not posted recently, but try to check in from time

to

> time. You stated in a recent post that you were questioning a

> relationship between autoimmune diseases and achalasia-also that

you

> had read a book about viral/bacterial causes of autoimmunity.

Would

> share the title with me? My health history includes several

> autoimmune diseases. I was diagnosed with achalasia following the

> appearance of the first. Also, has anyone been told that the

> pressure of the lower sphincter was low and the upper sphincter

> pressure was high? Thanks.

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Thanks for your replies and ! I will have to check out

the book . sorry to ask, but would you share with me

what your dr. commented re: autoimmune issues and achalasia? Or

maybe I can search for your original post. Was there a " poll " done

here on this board? Do other members have autoimmune issues? As you

pointed out, it probably does not pertain to everyone here, but it

may to some. What autoimmune issues do you have? Also, you

mentioned that in scleroderma has low pressure in the lower

sphincter??! This is what I have--but the upperspincter is

hypertensive. I also have isolated scleroderma lesions on my body-

recently dx'd-- years after the achalasia dx. Also have hasimoto's

thyroiditis, irrital bowel syndrome, was dx'd chronic fatigue,

fibromyalgia, rhum. arthritis,possible lupus, ms like symptoms and

most recently, chronic late stage lyme disease. Any thoughts would

be appreciated. Lynda---

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Hi Lynda ,

My name is , I'm in the UK , where are you ?

I've asked others if they have any sort of autoimmune disorder . I did this

out of interest as I feel from what my consultants have said there is more

to this than they know about !!!

I have auotimmune disorders and its been interesting because a couple of

people who've been able to reply to my message have also said they have

autoimune disorders too . I am NOT in any way saying we all have ( as I

think one person may have felt ) but I wondered what the % is and if so what

sort of disorders they have . ( eg SLE , hasimotoos thyroiditis , sjogrens

syndrome , scleroderma etc. etc. etc.) By the way it is possible to have

scleroderma and achalasia despite what others may say about the pressure in

this condition only beng low.

I didn't ask my question to cause alarm or to frighten people! It was mainly

out of interest after discussions with my Consultants !

I don't know who mentioned the book but I've not read one .

Anyway , hope things aren't too bad for you at this time . Good to hear

your'e able to take part in the group .

Bye for now

Chris

autoimmune issues

> (and others!)- Hello. My name is Lynda, a member of this

> group. I have not posted recently, but try to check in from time to

> time. You stated in a recent post that you were questioning a

> relationship between autoimmune diseases and achalasia-also that you

> had read a book about viral/bacterial causes of autoimmunity. Would

> share the title with me? My health history includes several

> autoimmune diseases. I was diagnosed with achalasia following the

> appearance of the first. Also, has anyone been told that the

> pressure of the lower sphincter was low and the upper sphincter

> pressure was high? Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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At 07:36 PM 8/21/2001 +0100, wrote:

>...it is possible to have

>scleroderma and achalasia despite what others may say about the pressure in

>this condition only beng low....

Here is what I read. Scleroderma cause muscles to loose strength. In the

esophagus this means that the muscles that should push food down through

the LES don't, even though the LES may have lower pressure than it should.

In achalasia even if those muscles were normal they could not push the food

through because the LES pressure is too great. In both cases food gets

trapped and the result is about the same. But, if you define achalasia to

be a problem of the LES not relaxing, then scleroderma is not achalasia.

Jerry

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As far as I know I have never had an autoimmune

disease. I have had ulcers, gall stones, migrane

headaches and irritable bowel syndrome. Other than

that and the achalasia, I've been fairly healthy. I

hope we can get this type of input from everyone in

the group. Perhaps we can find more common

denominators.

Weins

--- lmlr@... wrote:

> Thanks for your replies and ! I will

> have to check out

> the book . sorry to ask, but would

> you share with me

> what your dr. commented re: autoimmune issues and

> achalasia? Or

> maybe I can search for your original post. Was

> there a " poll " done

> here on this board? Do other members have

> autoimmune issues? As you

> pointed out, it probably does not pertain to

> everyone here, but it

> may to some. What autoimmune issues do you have?

> Also, you

> mentioned that in scleroderma has low pressure in

> the lower

> sphincter??! This is what I have--but the

> upperspincter is

> hypertensive. I also have isolated scleroderma

> lesions on my body-

> recently dx'd-- years after the achalasia dx. Also

> have hasimoto's

> thyroiditis, irrital bowel syndrome, was dx'd

> chronic fatigue,

> fibromyalgia, rhum. arthritis,possible lupus, ms

> like symptoms and

> most recently, chronic late stage lyme disease. Any

> thoughts would

> be appreciated. Lynda---

>

>

>

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Hi Sara,

Not sure exactly which message you are talking about, but I recently posted a

list of links for gluten intolerance and while it's not exactly what you are

asking for, some are just recipes or places to order gluten free products which

can help get  parents started, there are also some journal articles and gluten

intolerance and leaky gut and malabsorptions and what it can lead to, with onset

in the young or the old or anywhere in between, but the young and the old are

the most affected.

So if you wanted additional stuff on leaky gut, i probably have them, but there

are some articles here that address this issue as well so take a look if you

haven't already, it was under a different heading and sometimes people only look

at the posts that appear to interest them based on subject line  and delete the

rest. This is a busy list ! :) 

Anyway, take a look and I'll see when i can search for other links, but some of

the ones here will surely touch on what you want to know about the leaky gut.

Let me know if these were helpful.

All the best,

Elena

**************

Hi Pam,

You will see the words Celiac, and autistic come up a lot in

much of this literature. Please note that most apraxic kids do NOT

necessarily have digestive symptoms, or the Celiac gene. It can be

misleading to just go by that as there are multiple genes implicated in

gluten intolerance and it can also be acquired, as in my case, which is

still a genetically triggered intolerance when in contact with viral,

bacterial, parasitic infections, or even antibiotics without a healthy

follow up of probiotics, which call can create permeable intestines and

thus enable the gluten to enter the blood stream and erode immune,

neurological functioning establishing a heightened immune response from

that moment on. The important take home message is that gluten/casein

intolerances DO NOT GO AWAY!!

 Secondary intolerances developed due to the leaky gut can

go away, but the gluten one especially is core and the gluten peptides have an

affinity for the brain.

So

don't be misled by the Celiac label, or autistic labels, the fact

remains gluten intolerance is much more common than modern clinical

medicine thinks and is implicated in most neurological disorders of

unknown etiology like autism,

Parkinson, Alzheinmers' etc The research is all there, but clinical

practice isn't big on diet and nutrition and still works with archaic

lists and data as there is no real financial incentive for them to

change, no vegetable salesman is going to knock on the doctors' door

promising a free yearly supply of vegetables to everyone there in the

office, and trips to Hawaii to learn more about the role of vegetables

and to then push them on their patients.  So you get the picture, the

profit just isn't there so large scale clinical trials are difficult

and confounding variables difficult to control for etc.  Just not easy

to do and NOT a money making proposition.   Wheat on the other hand is

a booming business as it is included in just about everything processed

on the market and even in much of the restaurant foods too as it has a

way of appearing in the most inconspicuous places. Read the Celiac.com link on

how to avoid the gluten when eating out.

 So

gluten intolerance  is much  more common than the food industry ever

suspected--as almost everything processed--unless gluten free--contains

a form of gluten either as anitcaking agent, or as thickener, flavor

enhancer etc.  Gosh, they even put it in some Salsas for some unearthly

reason so always read your labels!  I think the next decade will reveal

a whole array of neurological/immune system disorders, as well as other

organs often implicated as l the liver, the adrenals, the thyroid, and

all these chronic degenerative disorders very often have gluten

intolerance linked to them--if not as the initial cause, certainly as a

complicating factor. Anyway, here are some links --some about the

problem, some about the solution and click around.

http://66.51.173.96/brain/allergy_brain.htm

http://www.gfcfdiet.com/TheBigFAQ's.htm

http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/celiac/index.htm

http://www.enabling.org/ia/celiac/basic.html#gfdiet

http://gfcfdiet.com/Beginningthediet.htm

http://www.livingwithout.com/recipes.html?gclid=CIjPh-ucipYCFQykagodiX_GEw

http://ezinearticles.com/?Gluten-Free-Diet-Should-Be-Considered-For-Everyone-Wit\

h-Neurological-And-Psychiatric-Symptoms & id=450571 & opt=print

http://healthnowmedical.com/info/gluten_science.html

this is actually the medical practice I go to and they're getting ready to

publish a book on the

topic

http://www.kellydorfman.com/pages/459019/index.htm

http://www.kinnikinnick.com/index.cfm

http://www.celiac.com/articles/711/1/MemoryLearning-Eating-to-Learn-How-Grains-I\

mpact-on-Our-Ability-to-Focus-Comprehend-Remember-Predict-and-Survive-by-Ron-Hog\

gan/Page1.html

http://www.pecanbread.com/new/recipes1.html

http://gfcf-diet.talkaboutcuringautism.org/just-because-it-is-gfcf.htm

http://ezinearticles.com/?Understanding-the-Genetics-of-Gluten-Sensitivity & id=20\

8573

http://bodyecology.com/08/04/12/why_celiacs_gluten_sensitivity_need_probiotic_li\

quids.php

http://www.jgourmet.ca/

http://www.elanaspantry.com/recipes/

http://glutenfreegoddess.blogspot.com/2007/01/cooking-baking-gluten-free-tips-fo\

r.html

http://www.kidswithfoodallergies.org/featured_recipes.html

http://thefooddoc.blogspot.com/2007/02/gluten-causes-brain-dysfunction-and.html

http://www.tccsg.com/cel

iacdisease.htm

The Gluten Connection: How Gluten Sensitivity May be Sabotaging Your

Health - and What you Can Do to Take Control NOW by Shari Lieberman,

Ph.D., CNS, FACN..

http://www.globalgourmet.com/food/egg/egg0496/gluten.html

http://www.gluten-free.com/

Keep in mind that for those with severely damaged intestines or persistent yeast

etc. GFCF may not be enough and SCD diet (Specific Carbohydrate Diet)

may be recommended.  Oftentimes parents make the mistake of taking

their kid off gluten and replacing all wheat products with corn, soy

and rice and all of these are refined carbs that can still impair the

immune system, Refined carbs should be reduced, soy most often avoided

as most people intolerant to wheat cannot tolerate the soy peptides

either and corn spikes the insulin level in the blood promoting

inflammation just like rice, and potato--they're all starches and feed

bad bacteria in us.

So if at all possible limit the refined

carbs, even those gluten free and increase, vegetables, leafy greens,

healthy grass fed / free range organic meats and consider the dairy

factor too. Not all gluten intolerant individuals are also casein

intolerant but until the gut heals you want to avoid dairy too and try

introducing it alter carefully, the raw preferred. Anyway, here's a

chart that compares the major diets that have worked well for people

with autoimmune, neurological, metabolic and digestive disorders.

http://www.autismndi.com/docs/foodtable.pdf

http://www.feingold.org/pg-overview.html

http://curezone.com/diseases/epilepsy/

http://www.childrensdisabilities.info/allergies/dietdevelopmentaldisorders.html

http://www.thebeewellcompany.com/NewFiles/Diet%20and%20Nutrition.pdf

Hope

you find these useful. My recommendation is that you try the diet and

supplements based on tests that check for your child's specific

metabolic issues since it really is important to prioritize the

interventions and only a doctor who treats biomedically can interpret

results, reactions and ensure that the path to healing is cleared. For

us it has been a wonderful journey of discovery.  We started with the

diet first and made mistakes along the way of course but overall we saw

improvements in attention, behavior and focus. We added some

supplements and saw huge improvements especially with the B12 shots

--often a major deficiency in gluten intolerant individuals, the PRO

EFA/EPA + vitamin E have also made a HUGE surge and we're also working

on detoxification as she seems to not detoxify mercury and other heavy

metals as a normal child would. Again, related to malabsorptions most

likely yeast, fatty acids etc.--so we're addressing that now as well

and will start on the yeast soon which means going more toward the SCD

diet at  least for a while.  there are so many options that clearly

stand to benefit our children with metabolic disorders

and possibly milder form of mitochondrial dysfunction as Dr.

explained. Read her Apraxia 101 doc and presentation notes, those will

also give you a good background in case you haven't already, they

should be archived on the site. 

All the best,

Elena

-mom to Ziana age 4 --apraxic, but otherwise a happy healthy child and

improving her speech every day now that appropriate PROMPT therapy,

diet/ and supplements have all been implemented.

From: sarchina2003 <sar2005@...>

Subject: [ ] autoimmune issues

Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 7:51 AM

Elena,

Thank you for your message. For those of us who would like to

actually look over the original articles on these subjects (leaky gut,

autoimmune issues etc) could you please post some references or links?

Thank you very much. Sara

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Elena

thank you so much for taking the time to gather this information. I feel

overwhelmed, but i guess it takes time to transition the diet. i would love

to see a sample menu of what your daughter eats to inspire me! ethan eats a

ton of fruits and veggies, so i have that on my side!

thanks

pam

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I have books, recipe books that I bought. There are even a few good ones in the

back of the book, " Breaking the Viscous Cycle " . The flour I get at my local

whole foods type store (Canada version).... but I don't do a ton of special

baking these days, just at the beginning when I first started out. SCD type is

pretty easy. I say this because we are not 100% SCD since we do consume a mild

amount of rice products, ie chips & crackers on occasion. There is the 'bread'

problem for lunches and such which is always a 'nasty' but we had that with GFCF

too.... all of that rice bread is gross, imo! :)

Janice

[sPAM]]Re: [ ] autoimmune issues

Lays just added possible corn oil to the chips. Where are you getting

the flour and SCD recipes?

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