canker sores

[Guest guest]

Oh my gosh, I use Colgate Total------NEVER thought of that. Well, thats off

to the trash. Thanks, alot.

[Guest guest]

from what I've seen and read, canker sores are caused by stress (emotional or

physical to the mouth), chemicals in your toothpaste/mouthwash (ie sodium lauryl

sulfate), acidic fruits and/or veggies and/or nutritional deficiencies, food

allergies and/or an imbalance in acidity/alkalinity mostly. Not the vitamin C,

or producing too much acid in one's stomach (though that may set one up for a

diseased state). Too little hydrochloric acid can lead to stomach cancer,

ulcers, etc. as the lining may become eroded away by the use of acid pump

blockers such as Zantac, and mineral deficiencies which may lead to further

imbalances.

If it's a food, then try to omit it and see if it helps, but if it's simply

bacterial, then the CSW or the other remedy that I posted from the book The

Herbal Drugstore may help.

Steve

PS - Though I'm unsure if Triclosan (an anti-basterial agent in some toothpastes

and soaps will cause this, I do know that when I tried Colgate Total when an

opinion polling agency sent it to me to try as a pre-release marketing " ploy "

(for lack of a better word), I had a sloughing off of the lining in my jaws from

the inside and had a problem with canker sores, and I rarely have had these.

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[Guest guest]

The colloidial silver water you'd do best by getting it from someone reputable

or make it yourself; the herbs you can get through catalogs, local co-ops, some

health food stores, etc. and either make your own poultice or tinctures.

Steve

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from what I've seen and read, canker sores are caused by stress (emotional or

physical to the mouth), chemicals in your toothpaste/mouthwash (ie sodium lauryl

sulfate), acidic fruits and/or veggies and/or nutritional deficiencies, food

allergies and/or an imbalance in acidity/alkalinity mostly. Not the vitamin C,

or producing too much acid in one's stomach (though that may set one up for a

diseased state). Too little hydrochloric acid can lead to stomach cancer,

ulcers, etc. as the lining may become eroded away by the use of acid pump

blockers such as Zantac, and mineral deficiencies which may lead to further

imbalances.

If it's a food, then try to omit it and see if it helps, but if it's simply

bacterial, then the CSW or the other remedy that I posted from the book The

Herbal Drugstore may help.

Steve

PS - Though I'm unsure if Triclosan (an anti-basterial agent in some toothpastes

and soaps will cause this, I do know that when I tried Colgate Total when an

opinion polling agency sent it to me to try as a pre-release marketing " ploy "

(for lack of a better word), I had a sloughing off of the lining in my jaws from

the inside and had a problem with canker sores, and I rarely have had these.

--------------------------------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I don't think toothpaste causes it. I have not been using any toothpaste for

a few months now but I still have canker sores. I am having a couple of them

now.

I have tried rinsing with 3% H2O2 but not very effective. The only thing

left for

me to do is to sleep by 10pm - the Chinese believe that it is caused by

" liver heat "

from late nights.

Re: Re: canker sores

Oh my gosh, I use Colgate Total------NEVER thought of that. Well, thats

off

to the trash. Thanks, alot.

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much for your advise. I def. shall try this. Take care.

[Guest guest]

I don't know if this will help any but thought I would relate it.

I infrequently get canker sores inside my mouth but when I do it happens a week

or so before I get sick. After noticing that pattern I now try to get more

sleep, vitamin A & D (cod liver oil), vitamin C, & colloidal silver. I do not get

colds as often & the canker sore, only last a couple of days.

One " old wives tale " that I learned from my grandmother that works for me is to

make a salt water mouth wash. I don't measure the salt, I heat the water (baby

bath warm) and then add in enough salt to make the water milky white. I do this

about 3 times per day or more. It's worked in getting rid of the canker sores

faster for all or my family since I was about 4 year old! (I hated doing this

when I was young but have gotten used to it over the years.)

Good luck.

[Guest guest]

Thank you to everyone who have responded to this ...it has been very helpful!

Re: canker sores

I don't know if this will help any but thought I would relate it.

I infrequently get canker sores inside my mouth but when I do it happens a

week or so before I get sick. After noticing that pattern I now try to get more

sleep, vitamin A & D (cod liver oil), vitamin C, & colloidal silver. I do not get

colds as often & the canker sore, only last a couple of days.

One " old wives tale " that I learned from my grandmother that works for me is

to make a salt water mouth wash. I don't measure the salt, I heat the water

(baby bath warm) and then add in enough salt to make the water milky white. I

do this about 3 times per day or more. It's worked in getting rid of the canker

sores faster for all or my family since I was about 4 year old! (I hated doing

this when I was young but have gotten used to it over the years.)

Good luck.

[Guest guest]

I heard someone say that that treatment with salt water can damage

the lining in one's throat. I think they were referring to gargling

for a sore throat.

There seems to always be a reverse effect in life. For every

negative effect there is a positive effect and vice versa.

I am still waiting to hear from someone mention about whether

the zapper kills friendly microbes. Any change in stool?

> Thank you to everyone who have responded to this ...it has been

very helpful!

> Re: canker sores

>

>

> I don't know if this will help any but thought I would relate it.

>

> I infrequently get canker sores inside my mouth but when I do it

happens a week or so before I get sick. After noticing that pattern

I now try to get more sleep, vitamin A & D (cod liver oil), vitamin C,

& colloidal silver. I do not get colds as often & the canker sore,

only last a couple of days.

>

> One " old wives tale " that I learned from my grandmother that

works for me is to make a salt water mouth wash. I don't measure

the salt, I heat the water (baby bath warm) and then add in enough

salt to make the water milky white. I do this about 3 times per day

or more. It's worked in getting rid of the canker sores faster for

all or my family since I was about 4 year old! (I hated doing this

when I was young but have gotten used to it over the years.)

>

> Good luck.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would use high quality salt - such as Celtic salt or handharvested sea

salt (slightly gray and not free-flowing). Our supermarket refined salt can

damage the body.

The zapper doesn't kill anything in the bowel or intestine. So the microbes

there remain.

barb

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Message: 1

Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:51:48 -0000

From: " guru153 " <guru153@...>

Subject: Re: canker sores

I heard someone say that that treatment with salt water can damage

the lining in one's throat. I think they were referring to gargling

for a sore throat.

There seems to always be a reverse effect in life. For every

negative effect there is a positive effect and vice versa.

I am still waiting to hear from someone mention about whether

the zapper kills friendly microbes. Any change in stool?

---

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[Guest guest]

At 07:24 PM 11/6/02 +0000, you wrote:

>PS. Sharon , i have had cankers as far back as i can remember and I'm 47.

>My research into them suggests the is perhaps an autoimmune connection.

>Mine are not related to what I eat but can be stress mediated. I treat

>them topically when they are intolerable and try to avoid SLS additives in

>my mouthcare products. SLS or sodium laurel sulfate is a foaming agent

>added to toothpaste and other mouhtcare products. rembrandt toothpaste is

>one brand that eliminates it in their especially for canker sufferers

>toothpaste.Other brands are available. If you want to look up data for

>yourself , try recurrent apthous ulcers as well as canker sores. hope this

>helps, Mo

>

>

>

>

>Please visit our Psoriatic Arthritis Group's informational web page at:

><http://www.wpunj.edu/pa/>http://www.wpunj.edu/pa/ -- created and edited

>by list member aka(raharris@...).

>

>In August 2001 list member Jack aka(Cornishpro@...) began to

>conduct extensive research which he publishes as the Psoriatic Arthritic

>Research Newsletter monthly in our emails and digest format. Many thanks

>to Jack. Back issues of the newsletter are stored on our PA webpage.

>

>Also remember that the list archives comprise a tremendous amount of

>information (Over two years of messages and answers).Feel free to browse

>them at your convenience.

>

>Let's hear from some of you lurkers out there! If you have a comment or

>question chances are there is a person who has been around a while who can

>help you out with an educated guess for an answer. If not we can at least

>steer you in the right direction with a good website to go to for the answers.

>

>Blessings and Peace,

>

> Atwood-Stack, Founder

> Alan , Web & List Editor

>Jack , Newsletter Editor

>Pat Bias, List Editor

>Ron Dotson, List Editor

>and many others who help moderate (thank you!)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that info Mike! I'll try your suggestion about SLS-free

toothpaste.

I'll also ask my rheumatologist more about this when I see him in a

couple of weeks and let the group know if he says anything of

interest.

Sharon

> >PS. Sharon , i have had cankers as far back as i can remember and

I'm 47.

> >My research into them suggests the is perhaps an autoimmune

connection.

> >Mine are not related to what I eat but can be stress mediated. I

treat

> >them topically when they are intolerable and try to avoid SLS

additives in

> >my mouthcare products. SLS or sodium laurel sulfate is a foaming

agent

> >added to toothpaste and other mouhtcare products. rembrandt

toothpaste is

> >one brand that eliminates it in their especially for canker

sufferers

> >toothpaste.Other brands are available. If you want to look up data

for

> >yourself , try recurrent apthous ulcers as well as canker sores.

hope this

> >helps, Mo

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Please visit our Psoriatic Arthritis Group's informational web

page at:

> ><http://www.wpunj.edu/pa/>http://www.wpunj.edu/pa/ -- created and

edited

> >by list member aka(raharris@y...).

> >

> >In August 2001 list member Jack aka(Cornishpro@a...)

began to

> >conduct extensive research which he publishes as the Psoriatic

Arthritic

> >Research Newsletter monthly in our emails and digest format. Many

thanks

> >to Jack. Back issues of the newsletter are stored on our PA

webpage.

> >

> >Also remember that the list archives comprise a tremendous amount

of

> >information (Over two years of messages and answers).Feel free to

browse

> >them at your convenience.

> >

> >Let's hear from some of you lurkers out there! If you have a

comment or

> >question chances are there is a person who has been around a while

who can

> >help you out with an educated guess for an answer. If not we can

at least

> >steer you in the right direction with a good website to go to for

the answers.

> >

> >Blessings and Peace,

> >

> > Atwood-Stack, Founder

> > Alan , Web & List Editor

> >Jack , Newsletter Editor

> >Pat Bias, List Editor

> >Ron Dotson, List Editor

> >and many others who help moderate (thank you!)

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am from a family that has canker sores, and have had them all my

life. I have never had a cold sore though. When I was pregnant 30

years ago and for quite a while afterwards, I had no canker sores. At

the time, my dr gave me folic acid to take. He was ahead of his

time, as now folic acid is considered vital to pregnant women. AS

long as I took viatimins that were fortified with the B vitamins, I

didn't seem to get canker sores. Then when I started mtx, I had to

take extra folic acid to keep up with canker sores.

I am now off MTX and taking Enbrel, but my dr is having me take

Foltx, which also is related to cardio health.

I will still occasionaly get a canker sore, which I think can

sometimes be stress related, but they don't take as long to heal as

before.

So, even if you are not on MTX, you mmight want to consult with your

dr about taking Foltx.

Sandy

[Guest guest]

My daughter used to get them. She also used to have very poor oral

hygeine. We in fact, with insurance mind you, paid out about 1,000 out

of pocket, last year to have her dental concerns taken care of because

the occasional brushing did not help prevent their progression. Since

then, she has been more (mature) responsible about brushing her teeth.

As a result she rarely gets a canker sore. I think poor oral hygeine

and also bathing and such, are pretty common with AS kids. For a long

time mine would only take baths, then it developed to showers, and now

she showers, brushes her teeth, and even takes care of her own hair,

which used to be long past her waist, but this year she had it cut to

below shoulder length, to fit in more at school with the other girls.

Honestly you people out there with younger AS kids, it does get better.

Not sure if its the world adjusting to them, or vice versa, probably a

bit of both, but it " does " get better. Listen my daughter is almost 17

and she still refuses to wear bluejeans because of how they feel

against her skin!!! And she still wears her socks inside out, because

th seam in the toes drives her nuts, and yes we've tried thousands of

different kinds of socks lol : )

[Guest guest]

For canker sores we use hydrogen peroxide (swish a little in mouth) and then

apply Vitamin E oil (from capsule) to the sore. We have found this very

effective for taking away the pain.

In a message dated 12/3/2006 6:58:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

vaccinesuk@... writes:

Hi Beth,

I get these from acid foods especially tomatoes, excess citrus,

excess spices, eg. corn chips/tomato dips and the big one -----

stress.

I was free of them (for a good few months) until recently when I got

big stressful news on my son. This time I have had them on my

tongue and tonsils as well, lasting more than 2 weeks.

I theorise it is definitely an immune issue too, (varying time taken

for them to heal), I find the best relief is in diluting a little

keltic sea salt in water, and swishing it. Normal table salt WILL

burn badly - hurt. I wake in the night and use it, seems the pain

increases from midday onwards, tested my saliva - it was normal

pH, but feels like it is more acid in the afternoon ??

I take all sorts of supps so can't pin-nail any specific remedy,

staying patient is the only answer, AND avoiding the danger foods

in the first place - keeping the body alkaline (calcium, magnesium

etc).

na

>

> Yesterday my son showed me 2 nasty canker sores; one inside his

upper

> lip and another on his lower lip. I am assuming this is from

using

> ALA. It is frustrating because we have tried DMSA, DMPS, and they

both

> have caused these very painful mouth sores. Now I am discovering

ALA

> is doing the same thing. I was told by my practitioner not to

chelate

> while he has these sores. He develops them after approximately 3

> rounds. He gets lysine daily and I am not sure how to prevent

them and

> also how to help him once he has them. It takes a long time for

them

> to go away.

>

> Thanks,

> Beth

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Beth,

I get these from acid foods especially tomatoes, excess citrus,

excess spices, eg. corn chips/tomato dips and the big one -----

stress.

I was free of them (for a good few months) until recently when I got

big stressful news on my son. This time I have had them on my

tongue and tonsils as well, lasting more than 2 weeks.

I theorise it is definitely an immune issue too, (varying time taken

for them to heal), I find the best relief is in diluting a little

keltic sea salt in water, and swishing it. Normal table salt WILL

burn badly - hurt. I wake in the night and use it, seems the pain

increases from midday onwards, tested my saliva - it was normal

pH, but feels like it is more acid in the afternoon ??

I take all sorts of supps so can't pin-nail any specific remedy,

staying patient is the only answer, AND avoiding the danger foods

in the first place - keeping the body alkaline (calcium, magnesium

etc).

na

>

> Yesterday my son showed me 2 nasty canker sores; one inside his

upper

> lip and another on his lower lip. I am assuming this is from

using

> ALA. It is frustrating because we have tried DMSA, DMPS, and they

both

> have caused these very painful mouth sores. Now I am discovering

ALA

> is doing the same thing. I was told by my practitioner not to

chelate

> while he has these sores. He develops them after approximately 3

> rounds. He gets lysine daily and I am not sure how to prevent

them and

> also how to help him once he has them. It takes a long time for

them

> to go away.

>

> Thanks,

> Beth

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Beth -

I often get these when I nick the inside of my mouth (e.g. hit my

gums with the tooth brush, accidently bite my lip). And I've noticed

stress brings them on too.

-

>

> Yesterday my son showed me 2 nasty canker sores; one inside his

upper

> lip and another on his lower lip. I am assuming this is from using

> ALA. It is frustrating because we have tried DMSA, DMPS, and they

both

> have caused these very painful mouth sores. Now I am discovering

ALA

> is doing the same thing. I was told by my practitioner not to

chelate

> while he has these sores. He develops them after approximately 3

> rounds. He gets lysine daily and I am not sure how to prevent them

and

> also how to help him once he has them. It takes a long time for

them

> to go away.

>

> Thanks,

> Beth

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Beth -

I often get these when I nick the inside of my mouth (e.g. hit my

gums with the tooth brush, accidently bite my lip). And I've noticed

stress brings them on too.

-

>

> Yesterday my son showed me 2 nasty canker sores; one inside his

upper

> lip and another on his lower lip. I am assuming this is from using

> ALA. It is frustrating because we have tried DMSA, DMPS, and they

both

> have caused these very painful mouth sores. Now I am discovering

ALA

> is doing the same thing. I was told by my practitioner not to

chelate

> while he has these sores. He develops them after approximately 3

> rounds. He gets lysine daily and I am not sure how to prevent them

and

> also how to help him once he has them. It takes a long time for

them

> to go away.

>

> Thanks,

> Beth

>

[Guest guest]

Beth is he eating the ALA or swallowing it in a capsule?

My son experienced mouth irritations because he eats the ala. He is

not able to swallow pills yet. We found that it is necessary to be

sure he rinses and swallows a bunch of water after he takes his

dose. So the ala is not sitting in his teeth irritating his

cheeks/gums.

>

> Yesterday my son showed me 2 nasty canker sores; one inside his

upper

> lip and another on his lower lip. I am assuming this is from

using

> ALA. It is frustrating because we have tried DMSA, DMPS, and they

both

> have caused these very painful mouth sores. Now I am discovering

ALA

> is doing the same thing. I was told by my practitioner not to

chelate

> while he has these sores. He develops them after approximately 3

> rounds. He gets lysine daily and I am not sure how to prevent

them and

> also how to help him once he has them. It takes a long time for

them

> to go away.

>

> Thanks,

> Beth

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Beth,

I am guessing that after 3 rounds of chelation, the yeast kicks up and

causes a bit of constipation.

Whenever I get constipated I get canker sores inside my mouth.

Takes about a week or so for them to clear up.

If this is the case, increase your yeast protocol and make sure you are

giving enough Mag & VitC and whatever else you need to do to keep thing

moving.

Good Luck!

Neil

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of vaccinesuk

Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 5:50 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Canker sores

Hi Beth,

I get these from acid foods especially tomatoes, excess citrus,

excess spices, eg. corn chips/tomato dips and the big one -----

stress.

I was free of them (for a good few months) until recently when I got

big stressful news on my son. This time I have had them on my

tongue and tonsils as well, lasting more than 2 weeks.

I theorise it is definitely an immune issue too, (varying time taken

for them to heal), I find the best relief is in diluting a little

keltic sea salt in water, and swishing it. Normal table salt WILL

burn badly - hurt. I wake in the night and use it, seems the pain

increases from midday onwards, tested my saliva - it was normal

pH, but feels like it is more acid in the afternoon ??

I take all sorts of supps so can't pin-nail any specific remedy,

staying patient is the only answer, AND avoiding the danger foods

in the first place - keeping the body alkaline (calcium, magnesium

etc).

na

>

> Yesterday my son showed me 2 nasty canker sores; one inside his

upper

> lip and another on his lower lip. I am assuming this is from

using

> ALA. It is frustrating because we have tried DMSA, DMPS, and they

both

> have caused these very painful mouth sores. Now I am discovering

ALA

> is doing the same thing. I was told by my practitioner not to

chelate

> while he has these sores. He develops them after approximately 3

> rounds. He gets lysine daily and I am not sure how to prevent

them and

> also how to help him once he has them. It takes a long time for

them

> to go away.

>

> Thanks,

> Beth

>

[Guest guest]

> Yesterday my son showed me 2 nasty canker sores; one inside his upper

> lip and another on his lower lip. I am assuming this is from using

> ALA. It is frustrating because we have tried DMSA, DMPS, and they both

> have caused these very painful mouth sores. Now I am discovering ALA

> is doing the same thing. I was told by my practitioner not to chelate

> while he has these sores. He develops them after approximately 3

> rounds. He gets lysine daily and I am not sure how to prevent them and

> also how to help him once he has them.

I always get the terms " cold sore " and " canker sore " confused. But, I

know what certain mouth sores look like, and what eliminates them for

my family. I couldn't tell you which ones were " cold " and which ones

were " canker " tho.

For certain sores, especially my #1 gets them on the inside of his

cheeks and lips, he needs lysine, selenium, and B vitamins to

eliminate them.

There are slightly different sores that I get in my mouth, which are

caused by foods I eat. I can actually feel the sores start to

develop, while I am eating those foods. Then a few hours after I have

eaten the foods, the sores start to go away.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I get them too if I use too high of doses of ALA/DMSA or ALA alone.

I cut back my dosage and have not had any more mouth sore problems.

Have you tried this? Rosegvr/

[Guest guest]

Me, and my kids get nasty canker sores- takes about 2 weeks to go away,

can't sleep, eat.

We got this stuff at the pharmacy called Kanka. You put on a little, it

hurts LIKE HECK for a few seconds, then it numbs the sore for a while- what

a relief.

My 3 yr old just got over a biggie, and she would come and ask for the

Kanka- even though it hurt so much to put on, it felt so much better after.

On 12/4/06, yur_a_daisy <RoseGvr@...> wrote:

>

> I get them too if I use too high of doses of ALA/DMSA or ALA alone.

>

> I cut back my dosage and have not had any more mouth sore problems.

> Have you tried this? Rosegvr/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm the only one who gets them in our house (other than hubby when he jabs

himself with the toothbrush) and it is ALWAYS a reaction to a food and NEVER

just one sore. Strawberries are the worst.

Dana C.

-------------- Original message --------------

From: Liz Duffy <lizbettyand3@...>

My son was getting canker sores every month or two before we started digestive

enzymes. After starting Peptizyde and Zyme Prime, he didn't get any more for

over a year. He just got one last month, so not sure what is going on now.

[Guest guest]

I get them when I am Vitamin C deficient. 2 oranges solves the

problem (although it hurts like a bugger to eat them) better than a

supplement.

http://www.gfcfcanadianstyle.wordpress.com

>

> My son was getting canker sores every month or two before we

started digestive enzymes.  After starting Peptizyde and Zyme Prime,

he didn't get any more for over a year.  He just got one last month,

so not sure what is going on now.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Has anyone else's child had repetitive canker sores? My son (4yrs) has had 5

canker sores since Oct. of '08. I asked our dr about it, he just said he'd make

a note of it. I know that at least 2 of the canker sores came around the same

time as some " virus " . He's got one right now (virus (fever/cough)and canker

sore). He says they don't hurt(high pain tolerance), but they look awfully

painful! Anyone know of a " cure " for canker sores? Thanks,

Bonnie