Guest guest Posted November 30, 2001 Report Share Posted November 30, 2001 Here is the website I mentioned a few days ago. It is thorough and very good. It is about 18 pages long if you copy it but well worth it. http://www.emedicine.com/ent/topic220.htm Hope this is helpful. lee > > > Hi, . > > > > > > Are you going to pursue this further? I wonder if another firm > > will take > > > the case. I had thought about it myself, but didn't think it was > > worth it, > > > especially since Troy was going to survive. If my son had > > something that > > > was terminal, then I definitely would have taken legal action. > > It's a tough > > > call to make. > > > > > > You mentioned your son's crying. Troy was the same way. As a > > baby, he was > > > always crying (9 out of 10 times he'd wake up crying. We often > > wondered why > > > he was always so fussy, but thought it was colic. We now believe > > it was due > > > to the cholesteatoma. It makes me very sad to think of the pain > he > > must > > > have been in and even sadder to know we were unaware of it. > > > > > > It also upsets to think how many pediatricians are unaware of > this > > disease. > > > Is it new? When was cholesteatoma first discovered? If my > letter > > gets > > > published, and particularly if Oprah gets wind of it, then I > think > > we have a > > > real chance to educate the public, and maybe even the medical > > profession! > > > > > > Thanks for all your help! > > > > > > Terri > > > > > > > > > Re: Pediatricians > > > > > > > > > > as promised. > > > > > > > > " ENT Specialist said it the best: " HOW LONG HAS HIS EAR LOOKED > > LIKE > > > > THIS? HAS IT EVER LOOKED NORMAL?? " That's when I knew we were > > way > > > > too late & that something serious was wrong. > > > > > > > > went to 1 very big, very prestigious firm that was > > > > recommended because malpractice is all they do. After meeting > > with > > > > one of the junior guys (with child present as well since they > > want to > > > > SEE the child, so they get a feel for how affected, etc...), > they > > did > > > > their research on it and spoke to their ENT specialists,etc... > and > > > > decided no go. ultimately, you have to prove that there is > HARM, > > > > more longterm like that would compromise him in some way the > rest > > of > > > > his life. He may not have been diagnosed as TIMELY as he could > > have > > > > been, but with proper therapy, surgery, speech etc...he will be > > OK. > > > > And they could see that even at age 3 he looked pretty normal. > I > > > > know that had I been with my pediatricians now, they would have > > > > sent me to a specialist sooner, and I know he would have been > > > > diagnosed at 1 years old and not 2 years old. But I don't > think > > you > > > > can blame everything on those Dr's and that delay. Its just > > > > unfortunate, mainly because he was suffering with it, crying at > > night > > > > from the pain, but we didn't know. Another point I forgot to > > mention > > > > is that the attorneys suggested i seek out the opinion of > another > > > > firm that would possibly take it on. This firm was way up > there, > > > > very selective, they only take the cases that bring in the > BIIIGGG > > > > BUCKS. But he said a smaller firm might agree to take it a > little > > > > further, pull his records, etc....(they stopped short of > pulling > > his > > > > records). We never went further. All I really wanted was an > > > > answer. I can tell you that pediatrician was definately afraid > > of a > > > > lawsuit though.....when he called me at home one night to ask > why > > I > > > > switched pediatricians, and then went on to try and cover his > > tracks, > > > > by telling me another Dr. had written in the chart when she had > > > > looked in his ear. Like on paper they were covered (possibly) > > and he > > > > was letting me know that. " > > > > > > > > what is not mentioned above & perhaps is also a factor is the > > > > possibility of it being congenital in very small children (like > it > > > > was not CAUSED by their not diagnosing it in a timely manner > > because > > > > it was possibly there at birth)???? however, since it can form > > from > > > > repeated infections etc,(no?), then for those who are older > > perhaps > > > > there is more liability associated with delayed diagnosis?? if > > there > > > > was a way to definitely tell if it was congenital or not then > that > > > > would seem to help... > > > > > > > > way to go terri. would be happy to help with any oprah project > as > > > > needed. perhaps one packet of letters mailed together to her > vs a > > > > multiple letters mailed separately would be more effective? > yes, > > > > with photos. just brainstorming a bit here... > > > > > > > > also, this needs to somehow much better emphasized in medical > > > > school/pediatric training. > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > I have gone back and read some of the older postings, > including > > > > your > first. I found your question about the training of > > > > pediatricians > interesting. I have been wondering the same > thing > > > > myself. Vinny had > ear infections starting very young, they > > > > subsided for a while, then > started again, particularly in his > > left > > > > ear. His pediatrician > would 'diagnose' him, give him drops or > > > > other antibiotics, and say > that he looked o.k., why don't we > > bring > > > > him back in a month! This > continued even when he had drainage > > > > coming out of his ear -- he would > wake up every morning with > a > > wet > > > > face from it. > Finally, I asked about referring him to an ENT, > > and > > > > finally the dr. > reluctantly agreed(keep in mind that this > > > > pediatrician and the > practice he is in came highly > recommended). > > > > He saw the ENT a couple > of times, and it still was not found > > until > > > > he had a really bad ear > infection and the ENT saw something > that > > > > clued him in that it was > something more. This is when he > > ordered > > > > the CT Scans and > subsequently referred him to the Otologist / > > > > Neurotologist. > If a pediatrician sees a child returning to > his > > > > office month after > month with the same problem, shouldn't > that > > tell > > > > him that this may be > something beyond his expertise and refer > > the > > > > child to an expert?! > What would have happend to Vinny if we > > didn't > > > > insist on the referral > to the ENT? I guess we would have > just > > kept > > > > handing over a monthly > $15 co-pay to the pediatrician (not to > > > > mention what he was billing > the insurance co. each month), > and I > > > > guess he would have finally had > to refer him to someone when > he > > > > developed menengitis or a brain > abcess. Apparently, from > what > > the > > > > Otologist could gather, Vinny's > Cholesteatoma was > congenital. > > Am I > > > > wrong in being extremely upset > with his (former) pediatrician > > about > > > > this? (As soon as he was > diagnosed I pulled him out of that > > > > practice) It's the first time in > my life that I've considered > > > > talking to a lawyer - I just feel that > if that pediatrician > had > > > > done something a few years ago the damage > would not be as > > > > extensive - why should a six year old child (or any > child or > > adult > > > > for that matter) have to go through this! I am very > thankful > > that > > > > his surgery seems to have been a success, but > apparently it > was > > > > caught just in time. The surgeon told us (after > the surgery) > > that > > > > it had grown quite a bit since his CT Scans, and > the 'worst' > > would > > > > have happened if they hadn't done the surgery when > they did. > > > > > What do you think ? How about anybody else out there? > > > > > > Sorry this was so long but I've been stewing over this ever > > since > > > > we > were told what he had! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2001 Report Share Posted November 30, 2001 You're right - it is a good web site! It's the exact same that I referred our family members to that had questions about cholesteatoma! I had also printed the whole thing out! > > > > Hi, . > > > > > > > > Are you going to pursue this further? I wonder if another firm > > > will take > > > > the case. I had thought about it myself, but didn't think it > was > > > worth it, > > > > especially since Troy was going to survive. If my son had > > > something that > > > > was terminal, then I definitely would have taken legal action. > > > It's a tough > > > > call to make. > > > > > > > > You mentioned your son's crying. Troy was the same way. As a > > > baby, he was > > > > always crying (9 out of 10 times he'd wake up crying. We often > > > wondered why > > > > he was always so fussy, but thought it was colic. We now > believe > > > it was due > > > > to the cholesteatoma. It makes me very sad to think of the > pain > > he > > > must > > > > have been in and even sadder to know we were unaware of it. > > > > > > > > It also upsets to think how many pediatricians are unaware of > > this > > > disease. > > > > Is it new? When was cholesteatoma first discovered? If my > > letter > > > gets > > > > published, and particularly if Oprah gets wind of it, then I > > think > > > we have a > > > > real chance to educate the public, and maybe even the medical > > > profession! > > > > > > > > Thanks for all your help! > > > > > > > > Terri > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Pediatricians > > > > > > > > > > > > > as promised. > > > > > > > > > > " ENT Specialist said it the best: " HOW LONG HAS HIS EAR > LOOKED > > > LIKE > > > > > THIS? HAS IT EVER LOOKED NORMAL?? " That's when I knew we > were > > > way > > > > > too late & that something serious was wrong. > > > > > > > > > > went to 1 very big, very prestigious firm that was > > > > > recommended because malpractice is all they do. After > meeting > > > with > > > > > one of the junior guys (with child present as well since they > > > want to > > > > > SEE the child, so they get a feel for how affected, etc...), > > they > > > did > > > > > their research on it and spoke to their ENT > specialists,etc... > > and > > > > > decided no go. ultimately, you have to prove that there is > > HARM, > > > > > more longterm like that would compromise him in some way the > > rest > > > of > > > > > his life. He may not have been diagnosed as TIMELY as he > could > > > have > > > > > been, but with proper therapy, surgery, speech etc...he will > be > > > OK. > > > > > And they could see that even at age 3 he looked pretty > normal. > > I > > > > > know that had I been with my pediatricians now, they would > have > > > > > sent me to a specialist sooner, and I know he would have been > > > > > diagnosed at 1 years old and not 2 years old. But I don't > > think > > > you > > > > > can blame everything on those Dr's and that delay. Its just > > > > > unfortunate, mainly because he was suffering with it, crying > at > > > night > > > > > from the pain, but we didn't know. Another point I forgot to > > > mention > > > > > is that the attorneys suggested i seek out the opinion of > > another > > > > > firm that would possibly take it on. This firm was way up > > there, > > > > > very selective, they only take the cases that bring in the > > BIIIGGG > > > > > BUCKS. But he said a smaller firm might agree to take it a > > little > > > > > further, pull his records, etc....(they stopped short of > > pulling > > > his > > > > > records). We never went further. All I really wanted was an > > > > > answer. I can tell you that pediatrician was definately > afraid > > > of a > > > > > lawsuit though.....when he called me at home one night to ask > > why > > > I > > > > > switched pediatricians, and then went on to try and cover his > > > tracks, > > > > > by telling me another Dr. had written in the chart when she > had > > > > > looked in his ear. Like on paper they were covered > (possibly) > > > and he > > > > > was letting me know that. " > > > > > > > > > > what is not mentioned above & perhaps is also a factor is the > > > > > possibility of it being congenital in very small children > (like > > it > > > > > was not CAUSED by their not diagnosing it in a timely manner > > > because > > > > > it was possibly there at birth)???? however, since it can > form > > > from > > > > > repeated infections etc,(no?), then for those who are older > > > perhaps > > > > > there is more liability associated with delayed diagnosis?? > if > > > there > > > > > was a way to definitely tell if it was congenital or not then > > that > > > > > would seem to help... > > > > > > > > > > way to go terri. would be happy to help with any oprah > project > > as > > > > > needed. perhaps one packet of letters mailed together to her > > vs a > > > > > multiple letters mailed separately would be more effective? > > yes, > > > > > with photos. just brainstorming a bit here... > > > > > > > > > > also, this needs to somehow much better emphasized in medical > > > > > school/pediatric training. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > I have gone back and read some of the older postings, > > including > > > > > your > first. I found your question about the training of > > > > > pediatricians > interesting. I have been wondering the same > > thing > > > > > myself. Vinny had > ear infections starting very young, they > > > > > subsided for a while, then > started again, particularly in > his > > > left > > > > > ear. His pediatrician > would 'diagnose' him, give him drops > or > > > > > other antibiotics, and say > that he looked o.k., why don't > we > > > bring > > > > > him back in a month! This > continued even when he had > drainage > > > > > coming out of his ear -- he would > wake up every morning > with > > a > > > wet > > > > > face from it. > Finally, I asked about referring him to an > ENT, > > > and > > > > > finally the dr. > reluctantly agreed(keep in mind that this > > > > > pediatrician and the > practice he is in came highly > > recommended). > > > > > He saw the ENT a couple > of times, and it still was not > found > > > until > > > > > he had a really bad ear > infection and the ENT saw something > > that > > > > > clued him in that it was > something more. This is when he > > > ordered > > > > > the CT Scans and > subsequently referred him to the > Otologist / > > > > > Neurotologist. > If a pediatrician sees a child returning to > > his > > > > > office month after > month with the same problem, shouldn't > > that > > > tell > > > > > him that this may be > something beyond his expertise and > refer > > > the > > > > > child to an expert?! > What would have happend to Vinny if > we > > > didn't > > > > > insist on the referral > to the ENT? I guess we would have > > just > > > kept > > > > > handing over a monthly > $15 co-pay to the pediatrician (not > to > > > > > mention what he was billing > the insurance co. each month), > > and I > > > > > guess he would have finally had > to refer him to someone > when > > he > > > > > developed menengitis or a brain > abcess. Apparently, from > > what > > > the > > > > > Otologist could gather, Vinny's > Cholesteatoma was > > congenital. > > > Am I > > > > > wrong in being extremely upset > with his (former) > pediatrician > > > about > > > > > this? (As soon as he was > diagnosed I pulled him out of that > > > > > practice) It's the first time in > my life that I've > considered > > > > > talking to a lawyer - I just feel that > if that pediatrician > > had > > > > > done something a few years ago the damage > would not be as > > > > > extensive - why should a six year old child (or any > child > or > > > adult > > > > > for that matter) have to go through this! I am very > > thankful > > > that > > > > > his surgery seems to have been a success, but > apparently it > > was > > > > > caught just in time. The surgeon told us (after > the > surgery) > > > that > > > > > it had grown quite a bit since his CT Scans, and > > the 'worst' > > > would > > > > > have happened if they hadn't done the surgery when > they did. > > > > > > What do you think ? How about anybody else out there? > > > > > > > Sorry this was so long but I've been stewing over this > ever > > > since > > > > > we > were told what he had! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2001 Report Share Posted November 30, 2001 Thank you! I will definitely have to print it out (and forward the site to others). Re: Pediatricians > > > > > > > > > > > > > as promised. > > > > > > > > > > " ENT Specialist said it the best: " HOW LONG HAS HIS EAR > LOOKED > > > LIKE > > > > > THIS? HAS IT EVER LOOKED NORMAL?? " That's when I knew we > were > > > way > > > > > too late & that something serious was wrong. > > > > > > > > > > went to 1 very big, very prestigious firm that was > > > > > recommended because malpractice is all they do. After > meeting > > > with > > > > > one of the junior guys (with child present as well since they > > > want to > > > > > SEE the child, so they get a feel for how affected, etc...), > > they > > > did > > > > > their research on it and spoke to their ENT > specialists,etc... > > and > > > > > decided no go. ultimately, you have to prove that there is > > HARM, > > > > > more longterm like that would compromise him in some way the > > rest > > > of > > > > > his life. He may not have been diagnosed as TIMELY as he > could > > > have > > > > > been, but with proper therapy, surgery, speech etc...he will > be > > > OK. > > > > > And they could see that even at age 3 he looked pretty > normal. > > I > > > > > know that had I been with my pediatricians now, they would > have > > > > > sent me to a specialist sooner, and I know he would have been > > > > > diagnosed at 1 years old and not 2 years old. But I don't > > think > > > you > > > > > can blame everything on those Dr's and that delay. Its just > > > > > unfortunate, mainly because he was suffering with it, crying > at > > > night > > > > > from the pain, but we didn't know. Another point I forgot to > > > mention > > > > > is that the attorneys suggested i seek out the opinion of > > another > > > > > firm that would possibly take it on. This firm was way up > > there, > > > > > very selective, they only take the cases that bring in the > > BIIIGGG > > > > > BUCKS. But he said a smaller firm might agree to take it a > > little > > > > > further, pull his records, etc....(they stopped short of > > pulling > > > his > > > > > records). We never went further. All I really wanted was an > > > > > answer. I can tell you that pediatrician was definately > afraid > > > of a > > > > > lawsuit though.....when he called me at home one night to ask > > why > > > I > > > > > switched pediatricians, and then went on to try and cover his > > > tracks, > > > > > by telling me another Dr. had written in the chart when she > had > > > > > looked in his ear. Like on paper they were covered > (possibly) > > > and he > > > > > was letting me know that. " > > > > > > > > > > what is not mentioned above & perhaps is also a factor is the > > > > > possibility of it being congenital in very small children > (like > > it > > > > > was not CAUSED by their not diagnosing it in a timely manner > > > because > > > > > it was possibly there at birth)???? however, since it can > form > > > from > > > > > repeated infections etc,(no?), then for those who are older > > > perhaps > > > > > there is more liability associated with delayed diagnosis?? > if > > > there > > > > > was a way to definitely tell if it was congenital or not then > > that > > > > > would seem to help... > > > > > > > > > > way to go terri. would be happy to help with any oprah > project > > as > > > > > needed. perhaps one packet of letters mailed together to her > > vs a > > > > > multiple letters mailed separately would be more effective? > > yes, > > > > > with photos. just brainstorming a bit here... > > > > > > > > > > also, this needs to somehow much better emphasized in medical > > > > > school/pediatric training. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > I have gone back and read some of the older postings, > > including > > > > > your > first. I found your question about the training of > > > > > pediatricians > interesting. I have been wondering the same > > thing > > > > > myself. Vinny had > ear infections starting very young, they > > > > > subsided for a while, then > started again, particularly in > his > > > left > > > > > ear. His pediatrician > would 'diagnose' him, give him drops > or > > > > > other antibiotics, and say > that he looked o.k., why don't > we > > > bring > > > > > him back in a month! This > continued even when he had > drainage > > > > > coming out of his ear -- he would > wake up every morning > with > > a > > > wet > > > > > face from it. > Finally, I asked about referring him to an > ENT, > > > and > > > > > finally the dr. > reluctantly agreed(keep in mind that this > > > > > pediatrician and the > practice he is in came highly > > recommended). > > > > > He saw the ENT a couple > of times, and it still was not > found > > > until > > > > > he had a really bad ear > infection and the ENT saw something > > that > > > > > clued him in that it was > something more. This is when he > > > ordered > > > > > the CT Scans and > subsequently referred him to the > Otologist / > > > > > Neurotologist. > If a pediatrician sees a child returning to > > his > > > > > office month after > month with the same problem, shouldn't > > that > > > tell > > > > > him that this may be > something beyond his expertise and > refer > > > the > > > > > child to an expert?! > What would have happend to Vinny if > we > > > didn't > > > > > insist on the referral > to the ENT? I guess we would have > > just > > > kept > > > > > handing over a monthly > $15 co-pay to the pediatrician (not > to > > > > > mention what he was billing > the insurance co. each month), > > and I > > > > > guess he would have finally had > to refer him to someone > when > > he > > > > > developed menengitis or a brain > abcess. Apparently, from > > what > > > the > > > > > Otologist could gather, Vinny's > Cholesteatoma was > > congenital. > > > Am I > > > > > wrong in being extremely upset > with his (former) > pediatrician > > > about > > > > > this? (As soon as he was > diagnosed I pulled him out of that > > > > > practice) It's the first time in > my life that I've > considered > > > > > talking to a lawyer - I just feel that > if that pediatrician > > had > > > > > done something a few years ago the damage > would not be as > > > > > extensive - why should a six year old child (or any > child > or > > > adult > > > > > for that matter) have to go through this! I am very > > thankful > > > that > > > > > his surgery seems to have been a success, but > apparently it > > was > > > > > caught just in time. The surgeon told us (after > the > surgery) > > > that > > > > > it had grown quite a bit since his CT Scans, and > > the 'worst' > > > would > > > > > have happened if they hadn't done the surgery when > they did. > > > > > > What do you think ? How about anybody else out there? > > > > > > > Sorry this was so long but I've been stewing over this > ever > > > since > > > > > we > were told what he had! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Actually I am not sure of my wording this 'Good website' - what I mean by that to clarify - is it is informative and raising awarness of what has and in some cases continues to happen. > Hi > > found this website http://www.geocities.com/growingjoel/murder.html > this page is about the murder of autistic people/children. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Well the question is was it murder? Did the child have a say in it? Was the mother right in taking the childs life? I have heard some parents say that if they were to kill theirselves they would take their children with them, but is this right? In fact my mum said if she had killed herself when my brother and I were younger she would have taken us with her, I informed her that wasn't fair on my brother or I. If someone wants to take their own life then maybe they have reasons, but to take another's, what gives them the right? Is it right to take a childs life just because they brought it into this world? I think these things get to me a bit. > After reading it, I have to question whether one of those was truly a death because the child was considered to be autistic. The mother jumped off the bridge with her child. Sounds as though there was more to it than " my kid has autism " . > > > If you love something, set it free! So it is with books. See what I mean at > www.bookcrossing.com/friend/nhecko > blogcritics.org > http://notesfromnancy.blogspot.com > > > > > Hecko > freelance proofreader > nancygailus@y... > > --------------------------------- > for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 , Parents, mothers especially, I think, have a protective and possessive instict about their children. The protection factor comes in when the mom is not stressed out. Proectecting is making sure their children come to no harm. It is an act of self-less-ness. Love in other words. The possession instinct kicks in when the mom feels threatened or beaten down. That is an act of selfishness, or fear. Tom Well the question is was it murder? Did the child have a say in it? Was the mother right in taking the childs life? I have heard some parents say that if they were to kill theirselves they would take their children with them, but is this right? In fact my mum said if she had killed herself when my brother and I were younger she would have taken us with her, I informed her that wasn't fair on my brother or I. If someone wants to take their own life then maybe they have reasons, but to take another's, what gives them the right? Is it right to take a childs life just because they brought it into this world? I think these things get to me a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 I think a lot of woman are egotistical and they think that their children are their exclusive property. Why take away someones life that you are entrusted with if you are going to top yourself. Indeed I think suicide is a cowardly way to go out unless you are terminally ill or are fundementally happy with what you are doing. If someone is p*ssing you off so much that you want to go out early then maybe take the source of your misery with you and make the world a better place. The concept of suicide bombers is not that derranged when you consider bomber crews over Germany in the WWII had a 78% chance of not finishing their tours of duty. Sort of like playing Russian roulette with four rounds in the cylinder. Evan greebohere <julie.stevenson16@...> wrote: Well the question is was it murder? Did the child have a say in it? Was the mother right in taking the childs life?I have heard some parents say that if they were to kill theirselves they would take their children with them, but is this right? In fact my mum said if she had killed herself when my brother and I were younger she would have taken us with her, I informed her that wasn't fair on my brother or I.If someone wants to take their own life then maybe they have reasons, but to take another's, what gives them the right? Is it right to take a childs life just because they brought it into this world?I think these things get to me a bit.> After reading it, I have to question whether one of those was truly a death because the child was considered to be autistic. The mother jumped off the bridge with her child. Sounds as though there was more to it than "my kid has autism".> > > If you love something, set it free! So it is with books. See what I mean at> www.bookcrossing.com/friend/nhecko> blogcritics.org> http://notesfromnancy.blogspot.com> > > > > Hecko> freelance proofreader> nancygailus@y...> > ---------------------------------> for Good> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 In a message dated 10/7/2005 12:52:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, cennis007@... writes: The concept of suicide bombers is not that derranged when you consider bomber crews over Germany in the WWII had a 78% chance of not finishing their tours of duty. Sort of like playing Russian roulette with four rounds in the cylinder. Evan Evan, I don't agree with this. Even though the bombers had a high loss rate, there was a chance they could survive the war. I doubt very many men on the crews actually wanted to die, which is why they had body armor and parachutes. Had they truly been on suicide missions, they wouldn't have bothered with those. For that matter, they could have dispensed with the bombs and loaded the plane with crates of explosives, which would have given more weight of the actual explosive material. The planes also could have been crashed straight into their targets for much greater acuracy. Even Hitler was against against suicide troops. Several ideas were proposed for suicide weapons, like piloted V2 buzzbombs, but all were turned down. The closest they officially came was a tandem bomber where they had a worn out twin engine bomber with a fighter mounted on top. The bomber was packed as full of explosives as it could be and the fighter pilot flew it close to the target. The pilot would line up and then release from the bomber and the bomber would crash into the target. I've seen the crater left by one of these things and it is hard to imagine the explosion that would have made it because it was so huge. Russia used a lot of suicide troops, but they were unwilling. Mostly these were political prisoners and people suspected of disloyalty or whatever. They were sent in ahead of the other troops for recon and such. They were also used in assaults. If they tried to withdraw, the Commisar troops behind them would shoot them. The Japanese were also reluctant to use suicide troops. The higher command thought it wasteful of men and equipment, but the younger officers managed to force them into doing it by the power of their conviction. This was not especially effective, however. Granted the Kamakazie did a lot of damage, but most of them were shot down. By the same token, the US and allies were not filled with fear over them. Rather, they thought the people must be crazy and the very idea of such attacks increased the hatred of the Japanese. I can understand this. If you know that there is a person in that plane trying to crash into you and kill you and your friends, you aren't going to be too happy about it. A friend of mine was in the Navy then and his ship had several near misses by Kamakazies. He said he didn't think much of the Japanese because of Pearl Harbor but that was war: the Kamakazies made him hate them. He's over some of that now, but he still bears a grude against Japan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Does anyone know of a website from which I can order both Lugol's and Iodoral (or possibly Rejuvidine?). Terry, you take both Rejuvidine and Iodoral? Elaine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 To my knowledge no website exists where you can order all of these at one place. I took Rejuvedine for awhile but no longer seem to need it, or the Iodoral. Finished off that bottle yesterday. Taking other liver elements for the time being. Keeping up my diluted Lugol's mix every other day. I started easing my way into Iodine in Spring of last year. --Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: Elaine Does anyone know of a website from which I can order both Lugol's andIodoral (or possibly Rejuvidine?).Terry, you take both Rejuvidine and Iodoral?Elaine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 How did you know you no longer needed it? Elaine -- " > I took Rejuvedine for awhile but no longer seem to need it, or the Iodoral. > Finished off that bottle yesterday. Taking other liver elements for the time > being. Keeping up my diluted Lugol's mix every other day. I started easing > my way into Iodine in Spring of last year. > --Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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