Lecithin

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I often see Lecithin mentioned as an ingredient on Candy wrappers.

Re: [ ] High Cholesterol

> From: Geri Spang <spangs@...>

>

> Patti,

> I've heard of Lecithin but had no idea what it was or how to use it until

I

> found a recipe for homemade cinnamon rolls in a King Arthur flour catalog.

> The recipes calls for Lecithin and I ordered a package of it by mail.

It's

> a grainy substance a little like cream of rice in texture. How is it

> supposed to be taken? It sounds like it has many of the same properties

as

> the mysterious SAMe that I'm hoping to learn more about. I've read

> numerous articles about it and so far, none of them have been negative.

> It's only recently become available in the US but has been highly

> prescribed in Europe for about 16 years (where it's available by

> prescription only). I wonder if it's the same thing as Lecithin but

> considerably more expensive?

> Take care,

> Geri

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

At 15:27 13/08/99 -0400, you wrote:

>From: " Schneider " <pwsch@...>

>

>I often see Lecithin mentioned as an ingredient on Candy wrappers.

> Re: [ ] High Cholesterol

>

>

>> From: Geri Spang <spangs@...>

>>

>> Patti,

>> I've heard of Lecithin but had no idea what it was or how to use it until

>I

>> found a recipe for homemade cinnamon rolls in a King Arthur flour catalog.

>> The recipes calls for Lecithin and I ordered a package of it by mail.

>It's

>> a grainy substance a little like cream of rice in texture. How is it

>> supposed to be taken? It sounds like it has many of the same properties

>as

>> the mysterious SAMe that I'm hoping to learn more about. I've read

>> numerous articles about it and so far, none of them have been negative.

>> It's only recently become available in the US but has been highly

>> prescribed in Europe for about 16 years (where it's available by

>> prescription only). I wonder if it's the same thing as Lecithin but

>> considerably more expensive?

>> Take care,

>> Geri

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and Geri

Lecithin is a natural occuring surface-active agent or emulsifier.

It makes the

blending of different substances possible by changing

the surface from incompatible

to compatible.Subsequent seperation is also inhibited.

I use to use it in the manfacture

of magnetic coatings for video tape to convert

polymers, pigments and other ingreidents

to a smooth workable mass. The same properties make it

very useful as an editable enulsifier in many food products.

The main source is from soya beans. The leading supplier is

Central Soya of the US. They are also the leading Promoter of

it's use from animal feed, industrial emulsifer, and use as a

food supplement. Sence the surface-active properties are very

pronounced, too much taken internal, I would suspect could

have mysterious effects. I doubt that anyone could offer any

quantifing estimates. Regards, Albert

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,

I was not able to get the download. maybe I just dont know what I am doing.

Is there a www site for it?

J

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[Guest guest]

Albert,

Thanks for the info on Lecithin. It sounds like a benign and possibly

beneficial natural substance. It's tempting to try some of these things

but I'm always a little nervous because those of us with autoimmune

diseases obviously don't react the same way to things as " normal " people

do. For that matter, each of us seems to have different reactions to the

same things. I think we have to be careful, because what's good for or

alright for one of us might be very harmful for another.

Nature seems to have worked things out so that we get adequate supplies of

whatever we need without needing supplements. But that's true only of

healthy people. We live comfortably with our own bodies most of our lives

until something happens like AIH. These days I feel like my body is a

stranger to me. So far, I've avoided taking any supplements except for

vitamins. Tried Melatonin years ago and it seemed to actually have a

negative effect so I stopped taking it almost right away. My hubby, on the

other hand, has had considerable good luck taking Saw Palmetto, which seems

to be a terrific substance for men of a " certain age " . I'd still like to

look into SAMe, but with caution.

Take care,

Geri

[Guest guest]

Geri I guess I am like you. I am afraid to try anything but vitamins.

Now that my no.s have been normal for several months. I also smoke about

8 cigarettes a day also have alot of nervous energy, before I got sick I

could never sit still.

Pa.

[Guest guest]

Dear Geri, I always find your comments concerning health and autoimmune

conditions interesting, full of wisdom, and knowledge. When are youwriting

a book?

My philosophy is to mever put a chemical-man made or plant made- into the

body unless unless absolutely necessary. This excludes food products of

course.

The complexity of the chemistry going on in the body is only partly understood

by the biochemist and molecular biologist- much less by most doctors(MD).

When the system fails to work as designed, of course man-made drugs and

surgery

could be necessary.

A study- funded by The Institutes for Health- of 400 natual products( the

type

found in health food stores) indicated that 49% were actually harmful to

health

and that many are toxic to the liver. Not coming under FDA regulations they

can

claim anything. Who is going to disprove such claims. Making mony is the

name of the

game.

I agree that nature did " work things out so that we get adequate supplies of

whatever we need without needing supplements " . However man made interventions

is changing this-chemicals, food processing, additive etc. Most furits and

vegies

are picked green before the roots and stems can send many good nutrients to

the

product. Chemical analysis has demonstrated this.

Regards, Albert

At 15:02 14/08/99 -0700, you wrote:

>From: Geri Spang <spangs@...>

>

>Albert,

>Thanks for the info on Lecithin. It sounds like a benign and possibly

>beneficial natural substance. It's tempting to try some of these things

>but I'm always a little nervous because those of us with autoimmune

>diseases obviously don't react the same way to things as " normal " people

>do. For that matter, each of us seems to have different reactions to the

>same things. I think we have to be careful, because what's good for or

>alright for one of us might be very harmful for another.

>

>Nature seems to have worked things out so that we get adequate supplies of

>whatever we need without needing supplements. But that's true only of

>healthy people. We live comfortably with our own bodies most of our lives

>until something happens like AIH. These days I feel like my body is a

>stranger to me. So far, I've avoided taking any supplements except for

>vitamins. Tried Melatonin years ago and it seemed to actually have a

>negative effect so I stopped taking it almost right away. My hubby, on the

>other hand, has had considerable good luck taking Saw Palmetto, which seems

>to be a terrific substance for men of a " certain age " . I'd still like to

>look into SAMe, but with caution.

>Take care,

>Geri

>

>

>---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Albert,

When I first went to the hospital as yellow as a daffodil, the very first

question they asked me was what naturopathic remedies I was on. I was on

none, but when questioned they said they have seen others look like me that

their livers had been affected by these remedies. That and oysters.

SueB.

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> From: Albert J. Bentley <jordent@...>

> onelist

> Subject: Re: [ ] Lecithin

> Date: Tuesday, 17 August 1999 14:47

>

> From: " Albert J. Bentley " <jordent@...>

>

>

> Dear Geri, I always find your comments concerning health and autoimmune

> conditions interesting, full of wisdom, and knowledge. When are

youwriting

> a book?

> My philosophy is to mever put a chemical-man made or plant made- into the

> body unless unless absolutely necessary. This excludes food products of

> course.

> The complexity of the chemistry going on in the body is only partly

understood

> by the biochemist and molecular biologist- much less by most doctors(MD).

> When the system fails to work as designed, of course man-made drugs and

> surgery

> could be necessary.

>

> A study- funded by The Institutes for Health- of 400 natual products( the

> type

> found in health food stores) indicated that 49% were actually harmful to

> health

> and that many are toxic to the liver. Not coming under FDA regulations

they

> can

> claim anything. Who is going to disprove such claims. Making mony is the

> name of the

> game.

>

> I agree that nature did " work things out so that we get adequate supplies

of

> whatever we need without needing supplements " . However man made

interventions

> is changing this-chemicals, food processing, additive etc. Most furits

and

> vegies

> are picked green before the roots and stems can send many good nutrients

to

> the

> product. Chemical analysis has demonstrated this.

>

> Regards, Albert

>

> At 15:02 14/08/99 -0700, you wrote:

> >From: Geri Spang <spangs@...>

> >

> >Albert,

> >Thanks for the info on Lecithin. It sounds like a benign and possibly

> >beneficial natural substance. It's tempting to try some of these things

> >but I'm always a little nervous because those of us with autoimmune

> >diseases obviously don't react the same way to things as " normal " people

> >do. For that matter, each of us seems to have different reactions to

the

> >same things. I think we have to be careful, because what's good for or

> >alright for one of us might be very harmful for another.

> >

> >Nature seems to have worked things out so that we get adequate supplies

of

> >whatever we need without needing supplements. But that's true only of

> >healthy people. We live comfortably with our own bodies most of our

lives

> >until something happens like AIH. These days I feel like my body is a

> >stranger to me. So far, I've avoided taking any supplements except for

> >vitamins. Tried Melatonin years ago and it seemed to actually have a

> >negative effect so I stopped taking it almost right away. My hubby, on

the

> >other hand, has had considerable good luck taking Saw Palmetto, which

seems

> >to be a terrific substance for men of a " certain age " . I'd still like

to

> >look into SAMe, but with caution.

> >Take care,

> >Geri

> >

> >

> >---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Albert,

<<Dear Geri, I always find your comments concerning

health and autoimmune conditions interesting, full of

wisdom, and knowledge. When are you writing a book?>>

I'll bet some people think that's what I'm trying to do

every time I post here! No one's ever accused me of

being at a loss for words, but I hope that everyone

takes me with a grain of salt.

I've never been a believer in supplements either. Not

that I've been afraid of them necessarily. Many

years ago when I was so skinny I looked like I

needed to hang onto a tree to keep from blowing

away I asked a family friend who was a

doctor what vitamins I should take. He

told me that I should take NONE. He said

that our bodies give us the vitamins we

need. I don't know what he'd say today,

but I never did take a vitamin or supplement

until I was diagnosed with AIH. Except for that

one trial with Melatonin.

Every doctor I saw when I got sick asked me

if I had been taking any supplements or

drinking any herbal teas. The only vitamins they

are recommending now are calcium and vitamin D

because of bone density loss caused by

Prednisone. However, I also take vitamins

that my husband's cardiologists have told

him to take. I figured that if they help

him, they might help me too.

I bought some Lethican the other night. It

didn't cost very much and I looked it up on

Internet. It sounded innocuous and as though it might

actually be beneficial. We haven't started taking it

yet, however. It's a natural substance, apparently

already in much of the food we eat, so the question is,

if I take a supplement, will I be getting too much of a

good thing?

I've never given a lot of thought to my health. That's a

smugness born from a lifetime of believing that I'm

basically very healthy. If ignorance is bliss, that

probably explains why I've thought I was so healthy all

this time. I may have been harboring AIH and other dread

diseases all along, but I was happy not knowing and

worrying about it.

I agree with your philosophy about chemicals

(except cigarettes - but I didn't say I'm perfect.)

There aren't adequate controls and studies. I would

never take the word of a supplier of a substance that

it's okay. I don't even fully trust the

pharmaceutical companies. Doctors prescribe drugs

routinely that they know little about except what

the salesman told them. Worse yet, often they get

healthy perks for pushing a particular

medication. That scares me. Because of that, I don't

fault a doctor for not suggesting supplements. If they

don't know all about the meds they give us, it's scary

to consider how little they probably know about

supplements. Of course, not all doctors are alike and

some, I'm sure, are conscientious about

researching meds they prescribe.

When we lived in Europe we found that we could buy meat

from New Zealand and Australia, but not from the US.

Why? Because of the way animals are fed and pumped up

with additional hormones and chemicals to make the meat

prettier, heavier, tastier - and less healthy! Produce in

European markets is smaller, dustier and less healthy

looking. Actually, it's generally free from dyes, waxes

and other additives that the US adds to keep them fresh

appearing and bigger. Bread goes stale in a day. No

preservatives. My theory is that the reason so many

people in this country have weight problems has little to

do with how much they eat, it has more to do with what's

been added to what they eat. Europeans eat " junk food "

too, and they like to snack just like we do. But there

are laws over there that actually protect the public

instead of the producers. A study was done more than 20

years ago to try to find out why little girls

were maturing at an abnormally young age

and it was determined that it was due to

the hormones in the meat they ate. I've

never read another word about that, but it

made sense.

So, as you can tell, I'm inclined to

agree with you. When we're sick,

however, we become desperate to do

whatever we hope will make us well.

If that means taking a food supplement

and if the supplement seems to improve

our condition, it's hard to argue.

Except that there is no comparison to

the number of people who do NOT take

supplements and who also improve. If

I'd been taking some exotic herb

since my diagnosis, I might give it

credit for my present remission. But I suspect that the

remission was either a result of Prednisone and

Imuran or it happened spontaneously. Who knows?

For all I know, the disease was caused in the

first place by the food I was eating and I

rarely eat food with additives.

My son who died from ALS was a " health food " person. He

used to drive me crazy with his preoccupation with

legumes and naturally grown foods. He also used herbs

and supplements. They may not have caused him any harm,

but they didn't do him any good either. There's some

suspicion that the ALS (now thought to be an autoimmune

disease)was triggered by chemicals in the water he drank

while on a ship traveling between Asia and Alaska. Who

knows, and if we did know, how easy would it be to do

much about it?

Coincidentally, they just ran a feature on health foods

on TV. They commented that the " raw " foods that are

served in health food restaurants are generally cleansed

in hydrogen peroxide. Tasty, huh?

Take care,Geri

[Guest guest]

I just keep mine in the house, which is mostly air-conditioned because I live

in Houston.

Ruth

[Guest guest]

Kathy is correct, Dianne, from what I know, anyway. Also, I think brains

(remember brains and eggs?) are also a good source of lecithin, if you can

stand to eat them. LOL

I hope you will join the new Live Right list if you haven't already, for I

plan to get some discussion going on this whole controversial issue of GMO

soy and how to tell what it is, etc. etc., so we can know how to shop for

safe sources. The Wall Street Journal had a fabulous, and LONG, article on

this very thing this past week, and I will try to get that onto email but if

not, will be talking about what it said, for the information is useful for

all blood types.

Look forward to " seeing " you there. I will wait until the introductions are

completed over the next two weeks, and until the rush to join, which has

been happening by the dozen since I ran the announcement about the list

yesterday on all the blood type email lists, has calmed down, before I start

that discussion.

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Message: 6

Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:55:43 -0500

From: Kathy <kksmith@...>

Subject: Re: butter with lecithin

Dianne:

Soy lecithin is ok for secretor/non-secretor B's. Lecithin is also found in

egg yolks...

blessings,

kathy s

**email me privately for more info on ordering NAP supps....

> I am a non-secretor so soy products are to be avoided. Are there any

lecithin products made from something other

> than soy? Thanks! Dianne in LA

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[Guest guest]

Greetings, All!

I usually lurk around here. Haven't posted in ages. But I read this

post (here's an excerpt therefrom):

>....I made " Melody's Light Moisturising Lotion " (listed in the recipe

section)...

....and it made me want to look in the " recipe section " . At the risk

of appearing really dumb, where is this recipe section???

Thanks.

Shanda

[Guest guest]

Hi> >

Shanda:

The recipe section is listed at the bottom of every email that we get from

one toiletries.

The URL listed below is the one that is at the bottom of every email, click

on it and it will take you to home page there is a scroll bar at

the bottom of the page that will give a menue of what kind of recipes that

are there.

Hope this answere your question.

Blessings:

Raven

>

> >

>

> The Library: http://www.luxurylane.com/thelibrary/index.htm

>

[Guest guest]

Shandra, I found the recipe at www.luxurylane.com/thelibrary/index.htm. This

is the

toiletries email library list. It's great for a beginner like myself!

Leanna.

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: <leannah@...>

> Hi everyone, thanks to those who straightened me out on the

> " weighting " issue. I am still waiting to hear from anyone who has

> experienced the " musty " odor on their skin after using a lotion

> containing lecithin.

I have used lecithin in a lot of my lotion recipes but just a bit of it.

Don't know how much was called for in the recipe you used but are you sure

it is the lecethin or could it be that one of your oils is " off " ??

[Guest guest]

Hi , the recipe called for a " heaping tsp. " of licithin, for

approximately 10 ounces of finished lotion. Yes, I did think one of my oils

had gone off, so the next time I made it, I used jojoba oil instead of the

grapeseed oil. I had the same results. When I smell the lecithin, the

moisturiser leaves that same scent on my skin after an hour or so. I don't

want to increase the e.o.s, as I could run into problems with toxicity over

the long haul I think. Thanks anyway. I am so depressed over this!

Leanna.

[Guest guest]

Donna

Excuse me for having difficulty following your post. I don't know about

Juice Plus. Is it a product containing egg-yolk lecithin? Can you tell me

what " mlm " means? I've stopped using soy almost completely, and am

searching for a good source of non-soy lecithin.

Ynt: Krysalis Product/question for the

group

>

>

> Hi Donna!

> I was using Lecithin(Soya,I think),than it was mentioned that we have

> increased choline in our brains.lecithin is also compound of choline.So

I

> stopped using it thinking that it might have adverse effects in the long

> run.

> Any ideas on that?

> Thanks..Nil

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi . Sorry for not being more clear. mlm= multi level marketing. Juice

Plus is an mlm product. It is not egg yolk lecithin. It is fruit and veges

juiced and dryed and capped and seems to help me alot. If a person is hypo

thyroid I would not recommend it, as the vege caps have alot of cruciferous

veges that lower thyroid function. It costs about $40 a month for one bottle

of juice caps and one bottle of vege caps. I say, About $40 because it depends

on whether you just buy or if you sell it also, etc.

Egg yolk lecithin is only made by Natures Plus, as far as I know. Well, it

seems like Twin Lab used to make some, but it wasn't great. Don't know if they

still do. Source Naturals used to make the best that there was, but not enough

people knew about it or used it so they stopped making it.

Is that better?

Donna

Re: lecithin

Donna

Excuse me for having difficulty following your post. I don't know about

Juice Plus. Is it a product containing egg-yolk lecithin? Can you tell me

what " mlm " means? I've stopped using soy almost completely, and am

searching for a good source of non-soy lecithin.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Donna.

P.

Re: lecithin

>

>

> Donna

> Excuse me for having difficulty following your post. I don't know about

> Juice Plus. Is it a product containing egg-yolk lecithin? Can you tell

me

> what " mlm " means? I've stopped using soy almost completely, and am

> searching for a good source of non-soy lecithin.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Donna.. Very helpful. Nil

lecithin

| I found soy lecithin to actually be irritating to my nervous system, but

egg yolk lecithin was calming and strengthening. It also helped with that

feeling of malnutrition you get with cfs. You know, when you have a great

diet and do alot of juicing and eat better than anyone you know and still

feel unsatisfied and malnourished. Well, egg yolk lecithin greatly reduced

that for me. And Juice Plus basically stopped it. Unfortunately Juice plus

is an mlm product and so it is pricey.

|

[Guest guest]

I used to eat raw eggs for a while. It was of help.I don't think cooked eggs

would be as helpful as raw ones.Quail eggs were somehow more helpful. Nil

Re: lecithin

|

| Donna,

| Will having boiled egg(with yolk) daily achieve similar results? I am

basically brought up a vegetarian and haven't eaten eggs a lot (not

routinely). So I was wondering if I could get the same benefits as this

supplement you are mentioning by just eating boiled eggs.

| Or is this supplement having a high content of lecithin from the egg yolks

that its hard to get from a single egg intake daily?

| Thanks for clarifying!!

| take care,

| Gayathri.

|

[Guest guest]

Hi Gayathri,

I would be careful about taking lecithin. Lecithin is known to

create more acetylcholine, a neurotransmitter in the brain. CFS

patients already have too much acetylcholine in our brains. Several

tests have verified this. That is why many researchers believe that

is one of the reasons that we have have slow mental responses and

thinking. It is because our synapses are firing too fast already.

It is similar to being on ritalin, they speed up children's brains,

which slows the children down. Ours brains are already going too

fast, thus we feel have that sluggish mental feeling and slowness to

understand and assmilate stimuli. There is too much info coming at

us, that is why sometimes we just want peace and quiet, because of

the overload. Licithin (and Choline also) would only make us worse,

by increasing a brain chemical that we already have too much of.

I eat a few 2 or 3 eggs a week they do not seem to have a

negative affect on me. But I would not recommend lecithin.

Heli

>

> Donna,

> Will having boiled egg(with yolk) daily achieve similar results? I

am basically brought up a vegetarian and haven't eaten eggs a lot

(not routinely). So I was wondering if I could get the same benefits

as this supplement you are mentioning by just eating boiled eggs.

> Or is this supplement having a high content of lecithin from the

egg yolks that its hard to get from a single egg intake daily?

> Thanks for clarifying!!

> take care,

> Gayathri.

> lecithin

>

> | I found soy lecithin to actually be irritating to my nervous

system,

> but

> egg yolk lecithin was calming and strengthening. ]

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

I think that there is a danger of getting salmonella from

eating

raw eggs. Caesar salad is supposed to be made with raw eggs and I

have avoided this. I feel that a soft boiled egg would be healthier.

Since it is not cooked as much as a hard boiled egg, it would probably

have more of its natural nutrients. I believe that one can buy egg

lecithin.

Mike

P.S. I usually have 2 eggs a day. I understand that eggs are not

as bad for us as they have been previously been considered. I

think that the lecithin within helps the body handle the cholesterol.

One can research this.

[Guest guest]

Hi Leli and All,

Heli, there are so many theories about CFS.

They change

virtually every day. I feel that CFS is caused by many things and

what actually happens in our brains and the rest of our bodys could

be different. I like to take in lots of CFS info, but keep it as a quasi

reference, until there is substantial scientific evidence or enough

testimonials to more seriously consider it. Since we are all different

sometimes what works for one, doesn't for another and visa-versa.

People with Alzheimers disease are felt to have a lower acetylcholine

level and they are given meds to raise the levels.

I feel that we have to experiment cautiously and monitor our

conditons

in general.

Mike

[Guest guest]

Hi Gayathri, Lecithin comes from the yolk. You could eat raw egg yolk daily,

but the white will not benefit you as far as lecithin goes. And I would only

eat raw egg yolk if I lived in the west, if I lived in the US as eastern

chickens have salmonella. Also, I think you would have to do many many yolks to

get the concentrated amount you get in the Nature's Plus product. I don't

know what the equivalent would be. Sorry. I think, in the end it would cost

less to buy the capped stuff, And would also be much more convenient. I

haven't used it in a few years, but when I did use it, I especially loved it for

bedtime. If I took it at night I could go to sleep without having to eat.

Really helped with the adrenal fatigue, blood sugar drop at night.

Hope that helps.

Donna

----- Original Message -----

From: Gayathri Kuppuswamy

Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 4:42 PM

Donna,

Will having boiled egg(with yolk) daily achieve similar results? I am

basically brought up a vegetarian and haven't eaten eggs a lot (not routinely).

So I was wondering if I could get the same benefits as this supplement you are

mentioning by just eating boiled eggs.

Or is this supplement having a high content of lecithin from the egg yolks

that its hard to get from a single egg intake daily?

Thanks for clarifying!!

take care,

Gayathri.

[Guest guest]

For myself, and my friends who have used egg yolk lecithin, I would heartily

disagree. It is calming and soothing to the brain and helps brain fog

tremendously. I seem to recall reading that the brain is mostly lecithin

itself. Is that correct. Anyone know?

Donna

lecithin

>

> | I found soy lecithin to actually be irritating to my nervous

system,

> but

> egg yolk lecithin was calming and strengthening. ]

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