Guest guest Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 >>>> could you explain this to me: How does the bath " detect " phenol intolerance? Along the lines of my previous reply, I would think that if you weren't sure if there was a phenol intolerance, give a couple epsom salt baths. If the epsom salts produce a good results for the person, then they may be sensitive to phenols. This means they may also improve with: - reduced phenols in the diet and environment - removing artificial ingredients (phenols) - do well with fiber digesting enzymes (such as No-Fenol) If the epsom salts do not produce any changes at all, OR if there is no improvement in behavior but there are looser stools (with or without less digested food), then this means they may not be sensitive to phenols and fiber-enzymes may not be particularly helpful. It has more to do with detecting if the PST detox pathway is 'blocked' or sluggish using epsom salts as a cheap and easy method. It isn't definitive but a general indicator. That is what I have thought. If this isn't correct, I hope to learn differently. here is more on how the magnesium and sulfate in epsom salts are related to this PST pathway: www.enzymestuff.com/epsomsalts.htm . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 We had a terrible time with epsom salt baths when we first tried them.....we had to reduce way down.....down to a tablespoon and stayed there for quite awhile....then we went to 2 tablespoons. Sometimes the problem is like other supps...gotta go low and slow...you think sometimes you don't have to...but everytime we try not to...we end up redoing it low and slow.....so you might try again later with the dose way low....even a teaspoon if ya have to... jmho Ronni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 ROnni, Can I ask what happened when you first started the baths? Thanks, Moneca > > We had a terrible time with epsom salt baths when we first tried them.....we > had to reduce way down.....down to a tablespoon and stayed there for quite > awhile....then we went to 2 tablespoons. Sometimes the problem is like other > supps...gotta go low and slow...you think sometimes you don't have to...but > everytime we try not to...we end up redoing it low and slow.....so you might > try again later with the dose way low....even a teaspoon if ya have to... > > jmho > Ronni > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Thank you all so much for the epsom salt help! I think that must have been the problem with my sons undigested stool. I'm also glad so many of my questions were cleared up! If only there was a bath to test each type of food!! I haven't noticed any behavior changes associated with the bath or phenol foods, but when that incident occured, it made me rethink his diet. I'm glad to know that all is okay! , mom to Caleb (3.5 with autistic symptoms) wrote: Message: 1 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:04:21 -0000 From: " wlveith " Subject: Epsom Salt Baths (Magnesium/B6) Someone reported from the ongoing D.A.N. conference that magnesium can cause problems if not being balanced with Vitamin B6. I think Dr. Rimland was the one of the speakers on that one. Read this on the ChelatingKids2 list where a lot of people are giving reports on seminars they are attending. Epsom Salt definitely has the magnesium. The prevailing notion was that phenol intolerance could be detected through epsom salt baths. In the case of undigested food I would think too much magnesium and/or not enough absorbed B6. WENDy ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:52:07 -0000 From: " monecacolorado " Subject: Re: Epsom Salt Baths (Magnesium/B6) , Thanks for the info. This is what I was looking for. Moneca > > Someone reported from the ongoing D.A.N. conference that magnesium > can cause problems if not being balanced with Vitamin B6. I think > Dr. Rimland was the one of the speakers on that one. Read this on > the ChelatingKids2 list where a lot of people are giving reports on > seminars they are attending. > Epsom Salt definitely has the magnesium. > The prevailing notion was that phenol intolerance could be detected > through epsom salt baths. In the case of undigested food I would > think too much magnesium and/or not enough absorbed B6. > WENDy > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:40:07 -0500 From: " Tina " Subject: RE: Epsom Salt Baths (Magnesium/B6) " The prevailing notion was that phenol intolerance could be detected through epsom salt baths. " WENDy I have only just lurked on this site although I have learned a lot, but could you explain this to me: How does the bath " detect " phenol intolerance? Thanks, Tina ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:33:27 -0000 From: " jornmatt " Subject: Re: Epsom Salt Baths (Magnesium/B6) It might not have anything to do with B6 at all. If someone can find why it should, please post. Magnesium is reported in the studies to be needed to treat the adverse side-effects of high-B6. This reminds me of a mom that used to be in this group years ago. She had three small children, only one was autism affected. She put all three kids in the bath at the same time because they were close in age. When she started epsom salt baths and put the salts into the bath water, the one with autism improved and did well. The other two got diarrhea or looser stools. The conclusion being the NT children did not have a phenol issue, or were not deficient in magnesium or sulfate, and so the excess magnesium they absorbed in the bath caused the looser stools as extra magnesium is known to do. The one child that responded well to the baths also did well with limiting highly phenolic foods and artificials items. The other two showed no difference when fed the same low-phenol diet. So if you do not need the extra magnesium absorbed in the baths, you would expect to get faster food passage through the digestive tract, and the food has less time to be digested. (loose stools with poorly digested food in it). So epsom salt baths end up being a cheap and easy general pointer to whether you would do well with limiting phenolic foods...or even if you should consider No-Fenol enzymes. Another thing, though, is while the child is taking an epsom salt bath, make sure they do not drink the water. That can cause the laxative effect all on its own - and mess up your test for phenolic foods. I also wonder if the children that had the loose stools with less digested food in them showed any other behavioral changes. That is, was the behavior either better or worse with the stools that showed less digested foods in them? And do those same kids show any sensitivity to phenolic foods or articifical ingredients? . ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:45:24 -0000 From: " jornmatt " Subject: Re: Epsom Salt Baths >>>> could you explain this to me: How does the bath " detect " phenol intolerance? Along the lines of my previous reply, I would think that if you weren't sure if there was a phenol intolerance, give a couple epsom salt baths. If the epsom salts produce a good results for the person, then they may be sensitive to phenols. This means they may also improve with: - reduced phenols in the diet and environment - removing artificial ingredients (phenols) - do well with fiber digesting enzymes (such as No-Fenol) If the epsom salts do not produce any changes at all, OR if there is no improvement in behavior but there are looser stools (with or without less digested food), then this means they may not be sensitive to phenols and fiber-enzymes may not be particularly helpful. It has more to do with detecting if the PST detox pathway is 'blocked' or sluggish using epsom salts as a cheap and easy method. It isn't definitive but a general indicator. That is what I have thought. If this isn't correct, I hope to learn differently. here is more on how the magnesium and sulfate in epsom salts are related to this PST pathway: www.enzymestuff.com/epsomsalts.htm . ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ --------------------------------- FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 > > > We've recently begun giving my son epsom salt baths before bed. We > were doing the rub and he seemed to respond well with that without > any negative reactions. I had heard that the baths just seem to > work better, so we wanted to give it a try. We are seeing some > negative behaviors at night, and I'm trying to determine if it is > from the bath or something else. He seems to be very fidgy when > going to sleep yet it isn't taking him real long to fall asleep. > Also, he is insisting on drinking a LOT of milk in the middle of the > night. Almost like he is dehydrated and he is urinating a LOT! Is > excess urination a possible side effect of too much epsom salt..thus > causing him to want to drink more rice milk...possibly causing > hypoglycemia? Could it all be linked to the epsom salt baths? I > had to quit them as we continue to fight yeast and bacteria and I > want to help detox him if possible. > > Thanks for any help! > Why did you have to quit the baths because of yeast? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 > It seems that every time my son bathes, his ears turn red. Is this from him > being de-toxed by the epsom salts or could it be from the chlorine in the > water? It can be too-fast detox. If so, try reducing his phenol foods during the day http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm And/or reduce the amount of salts in the bath. If you suspect the chlorine, try giving taurine, or another idea here http://www.danasview.net/chlorine.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 > > We've recently begun giving my son epsom salt baths before bed. We > > were doing the rub and he seemed to respond well with that without > > any negative reactions. I had heard that the baths just seem to > > work better, so we wanted to give it a try. We are seeing some > > negative behaviors at night, This might be from more salts in the bath than are in the cream. Try reducing the amount of salts in the bath. > > Also, he is insisting on drinking a LOT of milk in the middle of the > > night. Almost like he is dehydrated and he is urinating a LOT! This is a common sign of intolerance. He might not tolerate the rice milk you are using. Or, it might be a yeast issue. Rice milk does tend to increase yeast. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 How often and what amount do you recommend in giving Epsom Salt Baths? I used to give my son 1 cup of Epsom Salts in a bath but recently increased it to 1 1/2 cups. He gets a bath every other day, should I do less Epsom Salts and do it every night? Thanks Eileen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 > > How often and what amount do you recommend in giving Epsom Salt Baths? > Info at the bottom of this page http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 I give my son 1C epsom salts per bath and we started out everyday and he gained 25 words in the first week...now I give him the Epsom salt bath every other day. I thought that it just affected his speech but our bathtub broke and he didnt have a bath for a week and he started becoming agressive....he is back on the baths and no more agression to that extent experienced while off of the salts.... > > How often and what amount do you recommend in giving Epsom Salt Baths? > > I used to give my son 1 cup of Epsom Salts in a bath but recently increased > it to 1 1/2 cups. He gets a bath every other day, should I do less Epsom > Salts and do it every night? > > Thanks Eileen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 >I thought that it just affected his speech but our bathtub broke and he didnt have a bath for a week and >he started becoming agressive When in a pinch - or to help on a bad day - you can soak their feet in a pail of water with epsom salts -- heck I like to do it too! Much gets absorbed that way too if I understand correctly. > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Because of the magnesium sulfate which goes in through the skin. (And probably in part because ASD kids like water so much). S S In a message dated 4/12/07 1:53:20 PM Central Daylight Time, frankvallo@... writes: > Epsom salt baths? Can someone explain the theaputic value of epsom salt baths for our children with autism. I have heard it is beneficial I just don't know why. THanks _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 > Can someone explain the theaputic value of epsom salt baths for our children > with autism. I have heard it is beneficial I just don't know why. THanks Typically it is used to help with phenol intolerance/detox. http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 > > I give my son epsom salt baths every day. > is that too much? For some kids, it is fine, especially if they have problems processing phenols. http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 How long do they need to stay in the bath for good results? My son does not lie down in the bath - he sits up and plays - does the water need to cover them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 And some more questions-- How MUCH do you put into the tub? Bek In a message dated 11/8/2008 7:03:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hongkong@... writes: How long do they need to stay in the bath for good results? My son does not lie down in the bath - he sits up and plays - does the water need to cover them? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://\ searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 Bek Mark is a big boy, taller then me now, so I put about 2 cups in the tub, maybe more and likes to bath in my 'big' tub so he can watch TV at the same time! You should probably start with 1/2 a cup and then work up to a cup. For food infractions, Epsom Salts baths are the best! They really help the body clear out toxicants and encourage the sulfate system in the body to be efficient. Mark is very low in sulfate so ES baths are wonderful for him. He sits in there for only about 10 minutes or so but they still work well. 20 minutes is a good time to aim for. Janice Mother of Mark, 13 [sPAM]Re: [ ] Epsom Salt Baths And some more questions-- How MUCH do you put into the tub? Bek In a message dated 11/8/2008 7:03:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hongkong@... writes: How long do they need to stay in the bath for good results? My son does not lie down in the bath - he sits up and plays - does the water need to cover them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 my son is 3 and our pediatrican said 1/4 cup. pam On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Janice <jscott@...> wrote: > Bek > > Mark is a big boy, taller then me now, so I put about 2 cups in the tub, > maybe more and likes to bath in my 'big' tub so he can watch TV at the same > time! You should probably start with 1/2 a cup and then work up to a cup. > > For food infractions, Epsom Salts baths are the best! They really help the > body clear out toxicants and encourage the sulfate system in the body to be > efficient. Mark is very low in sulfate so ES baths are wonderful for him. He > sits in there for only about 10 minutes or so but they still work well. 20 > minutes is a good time to aim for. > > Janice > Mother of Mark, 13 > > [sPAM]Re: [ ] Epsom Salt Baths > > And some more questions-- > How MUCH do you put into the tub? > > Bek > > In a message dated 11/8/2008 7:03:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > hongkong@... <hongkong%40chinagreg.com> writes: > > How long do they need to stay in the bath for good results? > My son does not lie down in the bath - he sits up and plays - does the > water > need to cover them? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 When I give my son oatmeal baths for dry skin, I just sit beside the tub and pour the bathwater over his back and chest, etc., with a plastic container for 15-20 minutes. It keeps his skin " in " the oatmeal bath AND it's a pretty good arm workout! :-) > > How long do they need to stay in the bath for good results? > My son does not lie down in the bath - he sits up and plays - does the water need to cover them? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 Hi there. I was just wondering what are Epsom Salt Baths for? I have never heard of this before. I have a 2 1/2 year old with apaxia nad hypotonia. Would she benefit from this? -------------- Original message from tbniesh@...: -------------- And some more questions-- How MUCH do you put into the tub? Bek In a message dated 11/8/2008 7:03:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hongkong@... writes: How long do they need to stay in the bath for good results? My son does not lie down in the bath - he sits up and plays - does the water need to cover them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 thanks Janice!!!! I've got to go out and get more since my husband used all of them! LOL bek In a message dated 11/9/2008 9:04:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jscott@... writes: Bek Mark is a big boy, taller then me now, so I put about 2 cups in the tub, maybe more and likes to bath in my 'big' tub so he can watch TV at the same time! You should probably start with 1/2 a cup and then work up to a cup. For food infractions, Epsom Salts baths are the best! They really help the body clear out toxicants and encourage the sulfate system in the body to be efficient. Mark is very low in sulfate so ES baths are wonderful for him. He sits in there for only about 10 minutes or so but they still work well. 20 minutes is a good time to aim for. Janice Mother of Mark, 13 [sPAM]Re: And some more questions-- How MUCH do you put into the tub? Bek In a message dated 11/8/2008 7:03:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, _hongkong@..._ (mailto:hongkong@...) writes: How long do they need to stay in the bath for good results? My son does not lie down in the bath - he sits up and plays - does the water need to cover them? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************************<WBR>**AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recip Holiday needs. Search Now. (_http://pr.atwola.'>http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.http ://pr.atwolahttp://pr.http://pr.ahttp://pr.atwolhttp_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://\ searchblog.aol.com/200 8/11/04/happy-holidays-from) -aol-search/-aol-search/<WBR-aol-search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://\ searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 > > I have been giving my son Epsom Salt baths every other night. Bath night. I first wash him with regular soap and then when we are done with the bathing we add the salt. My friend just told me that it's not working due to the nuetralizing from the bath soap. Is that true? > > Dionne > I've read that before too that soap interferes with the chemistry of the salts, not sure if it's true or not... ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 We do it the opposite way. The boys get to play and soak for 20-30 min in the Epsom salt bath. Then we wash after that. We also do it every other day. I've seen lots of improvement. > > I have been giving my son Epsom Salt baths every other night. Bath night. I first wash him with regular soap and then when we are done with the bathing we add the salt. My friend just told me that it's not working due to the nuetralizing from the bath soap. Is that true? > > Dionne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 > > I have been giving my son Epsom Salt baths every other night. Bath night. I first wash him with regular soap and then when we are done with the bathing we add the salt. My friend just told me that it's not working due to the nuetralizing from the bath soap. Is that true? Most people have the child soak in the epsom salts first, then wash. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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