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>>>> could you explain this to me: How does the bath " detect " phenol

intolerance?

Along the lines of my previous reply, I would think that if you

weren't sure if there was a phenol intolerance, give a couple epsom

salt baths. If the epsom salts produce a good results for the person,

then they may be sensitive to phenols. This means they may also

improve with:

- reduced phenols in the diet and environment

- removing artificial ingredients (phenols)

- do well with fiber digesting enzymes (such as No-Fenol)

If the epsom salts do not produce any changes at all, OR if there is

no improvement in behavior but there are looser stools (with or

without less digested food), then this means they may not be

sensitive to phenols and fiber-enzymes may not be particularly

helpful.

It has more to do with detecting if the PST detox pathway

is 'blocked' or sluggish using epsom salts as a cheap and easy

method. It isn't definitive but a general indicator. That is what I

have thought. If this isn't correct, I hope to learn differently.

here is more on how the magnesium and sulfate in epsom salts are

related to this PST pathway:

www.enzymestuff.com/epsomsalts.htm

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We had a terrible time with epsom salt baths when we first tried them.....we

had to reduce way down.....down to a tablespoon and stayed there for quite

awhile....then we went to 2 tablespoons. Sometimes the problem is like other

supps...gotta go low and slow...you think sometimes you don't have to...but

everytime we try not to...we end up redoing it low and slow.....so you might

try again later with the dose way low....even a teaspoon if ya have to...

jmho

Ronni

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ROnni,

Can I ask what happened when you first started the baths?

Thanks,

Moneca

>

> We had a terrible time with epsom salt baths when we first tried

them.....we

> had to reduce way down.....down to a tablespoon and stayed there

for quite

> awhile....then we went to 2 tablespoons. Sometimes the problem is

like other

> supps...gotta go low and slow...you think sometimes you don't have

to...but

> everytime we try not to...we end up redoing it low and slow.....so

you might

> try again later with the dose way low....even a teaspoon if ya

have to...

>

> jmho

> Ronni

>

>

>

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Thank you all so much for the epsom salt help! I think that must have been the

problem with my sons undigested stool. I'm also glad so many of my questions

were cleared up! If only there was a bath to test each type of food!! I

haven't noticed any behavior changes associated with the bath or phenol foods,

but when that incident occured, it made me rethink his diet. I'm glad to know

that all is okay!

, mom to Caleb (3.5 with autistic symptoms)

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Message: 1

Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:04:21 -0000

From: " wlveith "

Subject: Epsom Salt Baths (Magnesium/B6)

Someone reported from the ongoing D.A.N. conference that magnesium

can cause problems if not being balanced with Vitamin B6. I think

Dr. Rimland was the one of the speakers on that one. Read this on

the ChelatingKids2 list where a lot of people are giving reports on

seminars they are attending.

Epsom Salt definitely has the magnesium.

The prevailing notion was that phenol intolerance could be detected

through epsom salt baths. In the case of undigested food I would

think too much magnesium and/or not enough absorbed B6.

WENDy

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Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:52:07 -0000

From: " monecacolorado "

Subject: Re: Epsom Salt Baths (Magnesium/B6)

,

Thanks for the info. This is what I was looking for.

Moneca

>

> Someone reported from the ongoing D.A.N. conference that magnesium

> can cause problems if not being balanced with Vitamin B6. I think

> Dr. Rimland was the one of the speakers on that one. Read this on

> the ChelatingKids2 list where a lot of people are giving reports on

> seminars they are attending.

> Epsom Salt definitely has the magnesium.

> The prevailing notion was that phenol intolerance could be detected

> through epsom salt baths. In the case of undigested food I would

> think too much magnesium and/or not enough absorbed B6.

> WENDy

>

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Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:40:07 -0500

From: " Tina "

Subject: RE: Epsom Salt Baths (Magnesium/B6)

" The prevailing notion was that phenol intolerance could be detected

through epsom salt baths. " WENDy

I have only just lurked on this site although I have learned a lot, but

could you explain this to me: How does the bath " detect " phenol intolerance?

Thanks,

Tina

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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:33:27 -0000

From: " jornmatt "

Subject: Re: Epsom Salt Baths (Magnesium/B6)

It might not have anything to do with B6 at all. If someone can find

why it should, please post. Magnesium is reported in the studies to

be needed to treat the adverse side-effects of high-B6.

This reminds me of a mom that used to be in this group years ago. She

had three small children, only one was autism affected. She put all

three kids in the bath at the same time because they were close in

age.

When she started epsom salt baths and put the salts into the bath

water, the one with autism improved and did well. The other two got

diarrhea or looser stools. The conclusion being the NT children did

not have a phenol issue, or were not deficient in magnesium or

sulfate, and so the excess magnesium they absorbed in the bath caused

the looser stools as extra magnesium is known to do.

The one child that responded well to the baths also did well with

limiting highly phenolic foods and artificials items. The other two

showed no difference when fed the same low-phenol diet.

So if you do not need the extra magnesium absorbed in the baths, you

would expect to get faster food passage through the digestive tract,

and the food has less time to be digested. (loose stools with poorly

digested food in it).

So epsom salt baths end up being a cheap and easy general pointer to

whether you would do well with limiting phenolic foods...or even if

you should consider No-Fenol enzymes.

Another thing, though, is while the child is taking an epsom salt

bath, make sure they do not drink the water. That can cause the

laxative effect all on its own - and mess up your test for phenolic

foods.

I also wonder if the children that had the loose stools with less

digested food in them showed any other behavioral changes. That is,

was the behavior either better or worse with the stools that showed

less digested foods in them? And do those same kids show any

sensitivity to phenolic foods or articifical ingredients?

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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:45:24 -0000

From: " jornmatt "

Subject: Re: Epsom Salt Baths

>>>> could you explain this to me: How does the bath " detect " phenol

intolerance?

Along the lines of my previous reply, I would think that if you

weren't sure if there was a phenol intolerance, give a couple epsom

salt baths. If the epsom salts produce a good results for the person,

then they may be sensitive to phenols. This means they may also

improve with:

- reduced phenols in the diet and environment

- removing artificial ingredients (phenols)

- do well with fiber digesting enzymes (such as No-Fenol)

If the epsom salts do not produce any changes at all, OR if there is

no improvement in behavior but there are looser stools (with or

without less digested food), then this means they may not be

sensitive to phenols and fiber-enzymes may not be particularly

helpful.

It has more to do with detecting if the PST detox pathway

is 'blocked' or sluggish using epsom salts as a cheap and easy

method. It isn't definitive but a general indicator. That is what I

have thought. If this isn't correct, I hope to learn differently.

here is more on how the magnesium and sulfate in epsom salts are

related to this PST pathway:

www.enzymestuff.com/epsomsalts.htm

.

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>

> We've recently begun giving my son epsom salt baths before bed. We

> were doing the rub and he seemed to respond well with that without

> any negative reactions. I had heard that the baths just seem to

> work better, so we wanted to give it a try. We are seeing some

> negative behaviors at night, and I'm trying to determine if it is

> from the bath or something else. He seems to be very fidgy when

> going to sleep yet it isn't taking him real long to fall asleep.

> Also, he is insisting on drinking a LOT of milk in the middle of the

> night. Almost like he is dehydrated and he is urinating a LOT! Is

> excess urination a possible side effect of too much epsom salt..thus

> causing him to want to drink more rice milk...possibly causing

> hypoglycemia? Could it all be linked to the epsom salt baths? I

> had to quit them as we continue to fight yeast and bacteria and I

> want to help detox him if possible.

>

> Thanks for any help!

> Why did you have to quit the baths because of yeast?

>

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> It seems that every time my son bathes, his ears turn red. Is this

from him

> being de-toxed by the epsom salts or could it be from the chlorine

in the

> water?

It can be too-fast detox. If so, try reducing his phenol foods during

the day

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

And/or reduce the amount of salts in the bath.

If you suspect the chlorine, try giving taurine, or another idea here

http://www.danasview.net/chlorine.htm

Dana

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> > We've recently begun giving my son epsom salt baths before bed. We

> > were doing the rub and he seemed to respond well with that without

> > any negative reactions. I had heard that the baths just seem to

> > work better, so we wanted to give it a try. We are seeing some

> > negative behaviors at night,

This might be from more salts in the bath than are in the cream. Try

reducing the amount of salts in the bath.

> > Also, he is insisting on drinking a LOT of milk in the middle of the

> > night. Almost like he is dehydrated and he is urinating a LOT!

This is a common sign of intolerance. He might not tolerate the rice

milk you are using.

Or, it might be a yeast issue. Rice milk does tend to increase yeast.

Dana

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How often and what amount do you recommend in giving Epsom Salt Baths?

I used to give my son 1 cup of Epsom Salts in a bath but recently increased

it to 1 1/2 cups. He gets a bath every other day, should I do less Epsom

Salts and do it every night?

Thanks Eileen

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I give my son 1C epsom salts per bath and we started out everyday

and he gained 25 words in the first week...now I give him the Epsom

salt bath every other day. I thought that it just affected his

speech but our bathtub broke and he didnt have a bath for a week and

he started becoming agressive....he is back on the baths and no more

agression to that extent experienced while off of the salts....

>

> How often and what amount do you recommend in giving Epsom Salt

Baths?

>

> I used to give my son 1 cup of Epsom Salts in a bath but

recently increased

> it to 1 1/2 cups. He gets a bath every other day, should I do

less Epsom

> Salts and do it every night?

>

> Thanks Eileen

>

>

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>I thought that it just affected his speech but our bathtub broke and he

didnt have a bath for a week and

>he started becoming agressive

When in a pinch - or to help on a bad day - you can soak their feet in a

pail of water with epsom salts -- heck I like to do it too!

Much gets absorbed that way too if I understand correctly.

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Because of the magnesium sulfate which goes in through the skin. (And probably

in part because ASD kids like water so much).

S S

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> Epsom salt baths?

Can someone explain the theaputic value of epsom salt baths for our children

with autism. I have heard it is beneficial I just don't know why. THanks

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And some more questions--

How MUCH do you put into the tub?

Bek

In a message dated 11/8/2008 7:03:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

hongkong@... writes:

How long do they need to stay in the bath for good results?

My son does not lie down in the bath - he sits up and plays - does the water

need to cover them?

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Bek

Mark is a big boy, taller then me now, so I put about 2 cups in the tub, maybe

more and likes to bath in my 'big' tub so he can watch TV at the same time! You

should probably start with 1/2 a cup and then work up to a cup.

For food infractions, Epsom Salts baths are the best! They really help the body

clear out toxicants and encourage the sulfate system in the body to be

efficient. Mark is very low in sulfate so ES baths are wonderful for him. He

sits in there for only about 10 minutes or so but they still work well. 20

minutes is a good time to aim for.

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

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And some more questions--

How MUCH do you put into the tub?

Bek

In a message dated 11/8/2008 7:03:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

hongkong@... writes:

How long do they need to stay in the bath for good results?

My son does not lie down in the bath - he sits up and plays - does the water

need to cover them?

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my son is 3 and our pediatrican said 1/4 cup.

pam

On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Janice <jscott@...> wrote:

> Bek

>

> Mark is a big boy, taller then me now, so I put about 2 cups in the tub,

> maybe more and likes to bath in my 'big' tub so he can watch TV at the same

> time! You should probably start with 1/2 a cup and then work up to a cup.

>

> For food infractions, Epsom Salts baths are the best! They really help the

> body clear out toxicants and encourage the sulfate system in the body to be

> efficient. Mark is very low in sulfate so ES baths are wonderful for him. He

> sits in there for only about 10 minutes or so but they still work well. 20

> minutes is a good time to aim for.

>

> Janice

> Mother of Mark, 13

>

> [sPAM]Re: [ ] Epsom Salt Baths

>

> And some more questions--

> How MUCH do you put into the tub?

>

> Bek

>

> In a message dated 11/8/2008 7:03:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> hongkong@... <hongkong%40chinagreg.com> writes:

>

> How long do they need to stay in the bath for good results?

> My son does not lie down in the bath - he sits up and plays - does the

> water

> need to cover them?

>

>

>

>

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When I give my son oatmeal baths for dry skin, I just sit beside the tub

and pour the bathwater over his back and chest, etc., with a plastic

container for 15-20 minutes. It keeps his skin " in " the oatmeal bath

AND it's a pretty good arm workout! :-)

>

> How long do they need to stay in the bath for good results?

> My son does not lie down in the bath - he sits up and plays - does the

water need to cover them?

>

>

>

>

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Hi there. I was just wondering what are Epsom Salt Baths for? I have never heard

of this before. I have a 2 1/2 year old with apaxia nad hypotonia. Would she

benefit from this?

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And some more questions--

How MUCH do you put into the tub?

Bek

In a message dated 11/8/2008 7:03:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

hongkong@... writes:

How long do they need to stay in the bath for good results?

My son does not lie down in the bath - he sits up and plays - does the water

need to cover them?

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thanks Janice!!!!

I've got to go out and get more since my husband used all of them! LOL

bek

In a message dated 11/9/2008 9:04:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jscott@... writes:

Bek

Mark is a big boy, taller then me now, so I put about 2 cups in the tub,

maybe more and likes to bath in my 'big' tub so he can watch TV at the same

time! You should probably start with 1/2 a cup and then work up to a cup.

For food infractions, Epsom Salts baths are the best! They really help the

body clear out toxicants and encourage the sulfate system in the body to be

efficient. Mark is very low in sulfate so ES baths are wonderful for him. He

sits in there for only about 10 minutes or so but they still work well. 20

minutes is a good time to aim for.

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

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And some more questions--

How MUCH do you put into the tub?

Bek

In a message dated 11/8/2008 7:03:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

_hongkong@..._ (mailto:hongkong@...) writes:

How long do they need to stay in the bath for good results?

My son does not lie down in the bath - he sits up and plays - does the water

need to cover them?

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> I have been giving my son Epsom Salt baths every other night. Bath night. I

first wash him with regular soap and then when we are done with the bathing we

add the salt. My friend just told me that it's not working due to the

nuetralizing from the bath soap. Is that true?

>

> Dionne

>

I've read that before too that soap interferes with the chemistry of the salts,

not sure if it's true or not...

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We do it the opposite way. The boys get to play and soak for 20-30 min in the

Epsom salt bath. Then we wash after that. We also do it every other day. I've

seen lots of improvement.

>

> I have been giving my son Epsom Salt baths every other night. Bath night. I

first wash him with regular soap and then when we are done with the bathing we

add the salt. My friend just told me that it's not working due to the

nuetralizing from the bath soap. Is that true?

>

> Dionne

>

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> I have been giving my son Epsom Salt baths every other night. Bath night. I

first wash him with regular soap and then when we are done with the bathing we

add the salt. My friend just told me that it's not working due to the

nuetralizing from the bath soap. Is that true?

Most people have the child soak in the epsom salts first, then wash.

Dana

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