Re: MEASLES! MUMPS! RUBELLA!

November 14, 2008

Effectiveness

Measles fell sharply after immunization was introduced.

Before the widespread use of a vaccine against measles, its incidence

was so high that infection with measles was felt to be " as inevitable

as death and taxes. " [2] Today, the incidence of measles has fallen to

less than 1% of people under the age of 30 in countries with routine

childhood vaccination.[citation needed]

The benefit of vaccination against measles in preventing illness,

disability, and death has been well-documented. The first 20 years of

licensed measles vaccination in the U.S. prevented an estimated 52

million cases of the disease, 17,400 cases of mental retardation, and

5,200 deaths.[3] During 1999–2004, a strategy led by the World Health

Organization and UNICEF led to improvements in measles vaccination

coverage that averted an estimated 1.4 million measles deaths

worldwide.[4]

Measles is endemic worldwide. Although it was declared eliminated from

the U.S. in 2000, high rates of vaccination and good communication

with persons who refuse vaccination is needed to prevent outbreaks and

sustain the elimination of measles in the U.S.[5] Of the 66 cases of

measles reported in the U.S. in 2005, slightly over half were

attributable to one unvaccinated individual who acquired measles

during a visit to Romania.[6] This individual returned to a community

with many unvaccinated children. The resulting outbreak infected 34

people, mostly children and virtually all unvaccinated; 9% were

hospitalized, and the cost of containing the outbreak was estimated at

$167,685. A major epidemic was averted due to high rates of

vaccination in the surrounding communities.[5]

Mumps is another viral disease of childhood that was once very common.

If mumps is acquired by a male who is past puberty, a possible

complication is bilateral orchitis which can in some cases lead to

sterility.[7]

Rubella fell sharply when immunization was introduced.

Rubella, otherwise known as German measles, was also very common

before the advent of widespread vaccination. The major risk of rubella

is if a pregnant woman is infected, her baby may contract congenital

rubella from her, which can cause significant congenital defects.[8]

All three diseases are highly contagious.

The combined MMR vaccine was introduced to induce immunity less

painfully than three separate injections at the same time, and sooner

and more efficiently than three injections given on different dates.

In 2005, the Cochrane Library published a review of 31 scientific

studies. One of its main results: " We could not identify studies

assessing the effectiveness of MMR that fulfilled our inclusion

criteria even though the impact of mass immunisation on the

elimination of the diseases has been largely demonstrated. " Its

authors concluded, " Existing evidence on the safety and effectiveness

of MMR vaccine supports current policies of mass immunisation aimed at

global measles eradication in order to reduce morbidity and mortality

associated with mumps and rubella. " [

November 14, 2008

But if you are so confident about having immunity with vaccines... then you

should not worry about it!!! Although the out breaks are being propagated by the

vaccinated community and stays there!!! meaning there is no such vaccine

immunity!!!

Love, Gabby. :0)

http://stemcellforautism.blogspot.com/

" I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God had

some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin. " ~ Jerry Newport

November 14, 2008

Thank you a for posting this interesting information about Immunization.

I feel so grateful that I had other concerned parents like yourself enlighten me

while I was debating the vaccination issues before my daughter was born, and

given her genetic autoimmune & neurological susceptibilities I feel so fortunate

that I chose to NOT vaccinate her.

She already has problems detoxifying due to the protein intolerances and fatty

acid malabsorptions she has, we are definitely dealing with a metabolic disorder

and as Dr,. said with a milder version than the text book mitochondira

disorder. These are all very good indicators for reaction to vaccines injected

in the blood stream no less.

Vaccines would have surely pushed her over the edge and her neurological

autoimmune damage would have been much greater than it already is. As i said I

have parents such as yourself spreading the word to thank for having made this

choice that was the right one for my daughter.

It is important for parents to read both sides and try to understand what their

overall beliefs are about how the medical system operates, how guidelines are

set, who sits on the AMA, APA boards etc. as well as how our immune system

operates---before deciding what is right for their child.

Dogmas meant to scare the heard into compliance and filling the Big Pharma

pockets don't work when you are presented with both sides so your messages are

very important. Thank you again.

Elena--mom to Ziana--age 4.3 --apraxic but otherwise a happy healthy child and

improving everyday now that appropriate diet/ supplements and more frequent

PROMPT have all been implemented---see now she can actually benefit and sit

through the therapy so it is productive--before her attention span and

compliance were making everything so hard.

From: a DeVelbiss <gabrieladevelbiss@...>

Subject: [ ] MEASLES! MUMPS! RUBELLA!

Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 2:06 PM

MEASLES! MUMPS! RUBELLA!

by Steve Ransom

" Something curious has happened to the 'official' perception of

the childhood diseases which are the subject of the MMR vaccine (Measles, Mumps,

Rubella). They have all officially become more serious since vaccines were

introduced. " Barr

With the recent news that a High Court judge has ordered that two children be

given the MMR injection against their mothers' wishes, one must ask whether

the defence was acquainted with the following information. The 31st May 2001

edition of Private Eye, an independent UK publication, contained the following

report on the GlaxoKline Measles, Mumps, Rubella vaccine.

" A landmark ruling in the French appeal courts against UK vaccine

manufacturer GSK passed almost unnoticed by the British media. The courts

reached a decision that vaccine damage had taken place, based on serious,

precise presumptions and similar evidence.... This has huge importance for the

3,000 UK families now seeking to sue Kline and another company over damage

they say was caused to their children by the MMR jab. "

THE 'M' WORD!

As more and more children are being harmed by these unnecessary vaccines, and

as the mainstream media continues to avoid more detailed reporting on these

matters, older parents are thinking back to their own childhoods and starting to

ask, " Whatever happened to those good old-fashioned measles parties? "

Do our children need the MMR at all? Mothers would herd their children together

into someone's front room in order to mix with another mum's spotty,

measles-ridden child, in the hope of them all catching measles.

Lesley Dove is co-ordinator of the London branch of Contact Network, an

organisation that believes in the old-fashioned theory of measles parties. Says

Ms Dove, " I think our children's immune systems are being compromised

[by vaccination] . Measles was a natural part of growing up when I was a

child. "

However, as we will see in later chapters on germ theory and the nature of

disease, the measles party is not the way forward. In a subsequent telephone

call to Lesley Dove, I asked her about the success rate at these measles

parties. She admitted that it was negligible. Not even Lesley's children

caught anything from the parties they attended. The measles party concept does

demonstrate, however, that unlike the young parents of today, parents from only

a generation ago did not perceive measles as a dread disease. They knew that if

a child did come down with measles, then that child would soon recover. But such

has been the recent pharmaceutical campaigns with regard to 'THE DANGERS OF

MEASLES!' that today's younger parents shudder when they hear the

'm' word. The corporate brainwashing runs very deep, as this Daily

Telegraph article demonstrates:

LOUISE HAD MEASLES - NEEDLESSLY - Louise Bate is gazing listlessly from her

mother's arms, showing little interest in her toys or her three-year-old

brother, , playing on the floor. Aged nine months, she is just recovering

from a dose of measles that has left her drained of energy. Louise's mother

Josie is indignant that Louise has fallen ill. " I feel very frustrated and

sad that she got an illness that could have been avoided. Louise went from being

a totally contented, happy, sleeping, well-feeding baby to the most miserable,

distressed, sick child - and I know from my GP that she didn't have it

badly. Measles can cause complications, such as brain damage and hearing

loss. "

Miserable, distressed and sick? Have we become so 'pharmaceutically shaped

and educated' that we are indignant if our child becomes ill for a few days?

Is it the general expectation that there should be a pill for every ill? An

injection for each and every disease under the sun? With measles, what is

ostensibly a relatively mild, non life-threatening condition has now been

re-jigged by Big Pharma into a monster requiring highly profitable, mass

immunisation. Josie's reference to brain damage and hearing loss merely

indicates that she has fallen under the spell of those master weavers. Mum

should count her blessings. What of the thousands of parents who now face a

lifetime of heartache supporting their MMR vaccine-damaged children. They would

give anything on earth to have their precious child listless and disinterested

for only a couple of days, as opposed to listless and disinterested for the rest

of their lives. The Telegraph article predictably

carried no interviews with parents of vaccine-damaged children. Instead, the

writer minimised the threat of MMR vaccine damage, quoting of all things, a UK

government Department of Health investigation that unsurprisingly vindicated the

vaccine, and warned readers that a low uptake of the vaccine could spark a

measles epidemic. Of course, there was no such epidemic.

BUT DON'T CHILDREN DIE OF MEASLES?

Whenever there is a child death attributed to measles, the vaccine

establishment always hits overdrive, as far as national headlines are concerned.

The dismally uneventful 1984 Australia New Zealand measles 'epidemic'

was a case in point. When two children were reported to have died of measles, no

readers were informed that both children had a terminal illness and, more to the

point, one of the children had been 'fully immunised' against measles

beforehand. To repeat that timeless piece of advice from Geoff Watts:

" Another trap for the unwary lies in the failure to distinguish between

association and causation. " Serious cases of measles are invariably an

indication of an impoverished immune system. And how might the measles vaccine

have impoverished the child's immune system in the first place?

Readers are reminded of the fact that the MMR vaccine contains neomycin,

sorbitol and gelatin, the concoction cultivated in a medium of human diploid

cells 'harvested' from aborted human foetal tissue. The tuberculosis

vaccine mentioned earlier uses a medium composed of glycerin, asparagine, citric

acid, potassium phosphate, magnesium sulphate, and iron ammonium citrate. This

mixture helps grow what is then injected directly into the human system. Tetanus

vaccine is produced using aluminium phosphate, formaldehyde, ammonium sulphate,

washed sheep red blood cells, glycerol, sodium chloride, thimerosal medium (49%

mercury) and pig pancreas derivatives.

FAKE MEASLES EPIDEMICS

Writing for JABS, an independent organisation advising parents on the potential

dangers of vaccination, Janine introduces us to the fraudulent measles

epidemic of 1995:

" Questions are being raised about a most urgent warning sent out to

doctors and the parents of 8 million children by the UK Department of Health,

saying that there would definitely be a measles epidemic in 1995 that would

infect between 100,000 and 200,000 children and that " around 50 children,

mostly of secondary school age, would die, " - that is, if children of

between 5 and 15 were not revaccinated. New research indicates that there might

have been a very different story behind this campaign: Doctor Nicholson,

the editor of the Bulletin of Medical Ethics, stated that after studying all

government reports, there was no proof that such a major measles epidemic was

about to start. He alleged the government's estimate of up to 50 deaths was

based on improper use of statistics - that effectively the government was

scare-mongering.

Similarly, the quarterly magazine What Doctors Don't Tell You filed the

following report on the same incident:

1994 MEASLES JAB NOT NEEDED - Dr Nicholson described the campaign as 'a

gift horse' for the two drug companies, which still had vaccines in stock

intended for use with the combined MMR jab.. The stocks of the vaccine were

still current, but had to be used by autumn 1994, just when the campaign took

place. " The campaign provided a very lucky break for the two vaccine

suppliers. " said Dr Nicholson (Bulletin of Medical Ethics, August 1995).

Here are just a few of the tragic results of this lucky break for the vaccine

suppliers.

'Tony 's 9-year-old daughter Amy immediately reacted. " She

collapsed within an hour. Next day she was vomiting constantly, had diarrhoea

and was covered in a nettle rash. Many local children were affected. There were

children still fainting in school a fortnight later. We wondered if the batch of

vaccines was faulty. I will fight tooth and nail to find out why this happened

to Amy. "

GOVERNMENT MUST BE FORCED TO HELP FORGOTTEN CHILDREN - " Since our

formation, the Hope Project has been inundated by requests for help.. Every day

new parents are ringing us. They all have the same tragic story. Healthy baby,

child, teenager, usually a boy, given the DPT (diphtheria, pertussis and

tetanus) or DT (diphtheria and tetanus), MMR or MMR booster. This was then

followed by a sudden fall or slow but steady decline into autism or other

spectrum disorders. Initially, we were being contacted by a new parent a week.

By 1998, we were trying to help on average three new sufferers a week. Such is

the increase in contacts this year, that now we could give up everything else we

do and just talk to parents all day. There is an epidemic out there and

authorities are refusing to acknowledge it. "

For the first time in this study on vaccination, the word epidemic has been

used correctly. It is describing a real disaster unfolding - a man-made,

profit-driven, vaccine-damage epidemic. Janine again:

" One of those most angry about last year's MMR vaccination campaign is

, mother of 12-year-old son Sam. " He was ridiculously healthy, He

never had anything wrong with him, apart from some mild asthma, was doing well

at school and loved football. He was an avid Spurs fan. Four weeks after

vaccination, coming down the stairs, his knees suddenly gave way and he tumbled

down. He kept on falling. Sometimes when I was talking to him he would suddenly

go blank. One doctor said to me: " Has he been exposed to measles? " I

said, " No, he has never had measles. " The doctor replied, " No, I

meant, has he had a recent measles injection? " Then it clicked. All this

had started after the vaccination. Sam is now in a wheelchair and has lost the

power of speech. "

With MMR, DPT, meningitis, smallpox, rabies, tetanus and the flu 'shot'

all billed as safe by the UK government, what should we make of the UK Prime

Minister's refusal to say whether his baby son has received the infamous MMR

triple jab? Blair's reticence in this matter displays a strangely

unsupportive role over a vaccine that spearheads his own government's child

immunisation programme.

Perhaps privately, the Blairs have looked up the more accurate information on

MMR, as opposed to relying on the dangerous nonsense pumped out to the masses.

And having looked up the real goods on this vaccine, who in their right mind

would wish the MMR vaccine on anyone, let alone their own child? The Blairs

might also have been influenced in their decision by 'insider' vaccine

information, some of which appeared in the UK Sunday Observer, dated 27th August

2000, revealing that the UK government had attempted to cover up the deaths of a

number of children as a result of receiving the meningitis vaccine.

Documentation also revealed that more than 16,000 adverse reactions to the

meningitis jab had been reported by GPs, since the nationwide campaign began in

2000. With the UK Department of Health admitting that only between 10 and 15

percent of adverse reactions are reported, the actual number of children damaged

as a result of this vaccine is probably far

higher. Actually, it would be naïve in the extreme to think that Tony and

Cherie are anything but fully conversant with the dangers of vaccination.

A PRESIDENT'S PRECEDENT

But the Blairs need not feel alone in their dilemma. Even a president has set a

precedent over the issue of vaccine refusal. On a visit to the Middle East,

former US president Bill Clinton refused the mandatory US army anthrax shot, the

vaccine now believed to be at the root of the strange and debilitating illnesses

rendering many Gulf War veterans virtually immobile. Interestingly, The UK Mail

on Sunday, dated 22nd December 2002, reported the high number of armed forces

personnel who were refusing the anthrax 'jab' because of their fears of

experiencing side-effects, which have left many ex-servicemen and women with

permanent disability.

GERMAN MEASLES (RUBELLA)

Falsely dubbed German measles, rubella is germane (similar/relevant) to

measles. But yet again, we are being cynically manipulated by certain vested

interests, into believing that this illness is highly dangerous, when it is not.

Twenty years ago, the reporting on rubella was very low-key. The 1982 MacMillan

Guide to Family Health stated:

" This is a very mild infectious disease - in the majority of children who

catch it, it causes no more inconvenience that a common cold. The incubation

period is 14-21 days and the first symptoms are a slightly raised temperature,

swollen glands behind the ears and a rash appearing on the first or second day

first on the face and then spreading to the rest of the body. By the fourth or

fifth day, all symptoms have faded away. "

BUT ISN'T RUBELLA A DANGER TO EXPECTANT MUMS?

Before the triple whammy of MMR, thousands of young girls were being injected

with the rubella vaccine, in the belief that this vaccine would provide the

girls with future immunity against German measles because of its possible

negative effects upon the foetus. In actual fact, it was the vaccine itself that

was the danger to these young girls, now known to have given rise to early

arthritis, arthralgia, various skin conditions, respiratory trouble and swollen

glands. As far as rubella being a danger to expectant mums is concerned, a study

carried out by doctors on the effects of rubella on foetuses of women who had

contracted German measles was published in The American Journal of Obstetrics

and Gynaecology. In their study of 34 pregnant women thought to have rubella,

eight mothers were told that their unborn babies had rubella infection. Six of

those mothers chose to have abortions. Only three of the aborted babies were

determined to be rubella

'positive'. The other two supposedly 'infected' babies were

carried to term and were born with no defects. Twenty-four of the remaining

twenty-six babies were born in good health. The other two died from other

causes.

Translated, out of the thirty-four babies in the report, none was born with any

defects, two babies died of other causes and six women were scared into aborting

their babies needlessly, with life-lasting emotional consequences for the

parents concerned. Another one of those wretched snapshots, clearly depicting

the unforeseen consequences that can beset those who fall under the mesmeric

spell of perceived conventional medical wisdom and do everything they're

instructed to do by their doctor. On the rubella vaccine itself, vaccine critic,

Dr Mendelson stated:

" Being a sceptical soul, I have always believed that the most reliable way

to determine what people really believe is to observe what they do, not what

they say. If the greatest threat of rubella is not to children, but to the

foetus yet unborn, pregnant women should be protected against rubella by making

certain that their obstetricians won't give them the disease. Yet, in a

California survey reported in the Journal of the American Medical Association,

more than 90 percent of the obstetrician- gynaecologists refused to be

vaccinated. If doctors themselves are afraid of the vaccine, why on earth should

the law require that you and other parents allow them to administer it to your

kids? "

CHICKEN POX

Consider the following explanation of chicken pox, from the 1967 Pears Medical

Encyclopaedia, before the introduction of the vaccine:

" Generally the rash is the first, and sometimes only symptom, but the

child may be irritable, headachy, and have a slight temperature. No specific

treatment exists (although if the child is irritable, Aspirin may be given and

calamine lotion applied to the sores); there are no complications in the vast

majority of cases. Quarantine period is three weeks from the beginning of the

rash, but doctors are increasingly of the opinion that there is no reason why

other members of the family should not be exposed to a harmless infection which

confers immunity for life - other people's children are, of course, another

matter. "

And now, since the introduction of the chicken pox vaccine, look at this

condensed explanation of chicken pox, found in the year 2000 edition of the

Merck Manual:

" Chicken pox, which is extremely contagious, is believed to be spread by

infected droplets and is most communicable during the short prodrome and early

stages of the eruption.. A live attenuated varicella vaccine is recommended by

the American Academy of Pediatrics for universal vaccination of all healthy

children who lack a reliable history of chicken pox. "

Who do you believe?

PROFIT BEFORE HEALTH

The recent spate of stories concerning certain patients being 'struck

off' by their doctors for the sake of profit, highlights the commercialism

surrounding the MMR jab. The Canbury Medical Centre in Kingston, Surrey, in the

UK, is not meeting the government target of immunising 90% of the children on

its list. If this continues, the doctors will each lose a 'vaccination

bonus' of £2,865. Because of the fears surrounding the MMR vaccine, those

parents who have elected not to have their child vaccinated are being sent

letters stating that their child will be treated as a 'temporary

resident'. This politicking reduces the overall numbers and brings the

percentages back up to within target levels. The surgery's policy came to

light when one mother received a letter from the medical centre saying that her

daughter Abigail, who has not had MMR, would be de-registered because she had

not had all the recommended vaccinations.

" I was absolutely livid and also quite shocked, " said Abigail's

mother. " I feel so strongly about this. Not giving Abigail MMR is my

choice; it is my free choice. It is an educated decision I have made through

research, deliberation and discussion - and now my child's right to a GP is

being denied her. This goes straight to the fundamentals of why parents

don't trust the doctors on MMR. How can you trust the advice of somebody who

is being paid to do something? "

THE RISE IN AUTISM

And in the US, Dr Mercola invites us to consider the link between the great

rise in the number of autistic children and a vaccination policy which currently

oversees babies being given their first vaccine against hepatitis B in the first

two days of life, and another two doses before they are 18 months old. These

children also have five doses of diphtheria and tetanus, two doses of MMR, four

of the Hib, one of chicken pox, four of the polio vaccine and now four doses of

a vaccine supposedly to prevent ear infections before they go to school.

" It should be pointed out that today's children receive 22 or more

vaccines before school age, whereas today's senior citizens received only

one vaccine in their youth, the smallpox vaccine. "

VACCINE ADVERSE EVENTS REPORTING SYSTEM

To date, the US National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program or NVICP,

established in 1986, has paid out in excess of $1 billion in injury awards to

western vaccine-recipients. There are quite literally thousands of cases

pending. This despite the fact that the Health and Human Services narrowed the

definition of vaccine damage to such an extent that only immediate and severe

reactions now qualify. Seizures, disorders, brain damage, ataxia, paralysis,

learning difficulties and deaths that occur many days or weeks following these

vaccinations do not qualify. Added to this, doctors have little incentive to

report themselves to the government's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System

or VAERS, prompting former director of the FDA Kessler to confess that

" .only 10% of vaccine injuries are ever reported. " Jillani, of

People Advocating Vaccine Education, has observed the growing number of children

now suffering from 20th century behavioural

disorders, and reports:

" So the injuries can even conservatively amount to tens of thousands of

children, while doctors continue to diagnose and treat mysterious new illnesses

and maintain the 'one in a million' adverse reaction myth taught in

medical schools. "

A front-page article appeared in the UK's Sunday Observer, dated 27th

August 2000. The Observer obtained documents revealing that the UK government

had attempted to cover up 11 deaths of children as a result of receiving the

meningitis vaccine. The document also revealed that more than 16,000 adverse

reactions to the meningitis jab had been reported by GP's since the

nationwide campaign began last year. With the UK Department of Health admitting

that only between 10 and 15 percent of adverse reactions are reported, the

actual number of children damaged as a result of this vaccine is probably far

higher.

Similarly, on 13th December 2000, Independent Newspapers ran the following:

FALSE SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH ENDANGERING THE PUBLIC - Doctors are fabricating

research results to win grants and advance their careers, but the medical

establishment is failing to protect the public from the menace of these

scientific frauds, a committee of medical editors said yesterday. Eighty cases

of fraudulent research have been detected in the past four years, and 30 have

been investigated in the past year. In some cases, institutions have covered up

wrongdoing to protect reputations. ..

Is it really any wonder that so many behavioural, nervous and mental disorders

are presenting themselves at doctors' surgeries, when we consider the high

number of vaccines being administered? The next chapter looks at the legal steps

parents and individuals can take to avoid such vaccinations.

Excerpted with permission from:

Wake up to Health in the 21st Century by Ransom

http://campaignfortruth.com/Eclub/090606/measles%20mumps%20rubella.htm

Love, Gabby. :0)

http://stemcellforautism.blogspot.com/

" I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God

had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin. " ~ Jerry

Newport

November 15, 2008

I keep wondering if you ever have any Speech Disorder related issues

to contribute to?????????? I have seen very little of that. We have

gotten your point by now- you don't vaccinate or do flu shots- enough

is enough. We all know who your supporters are and they're so very,

very willing to congratulate you on you wealth of information!! But at

least some of them contribute to speech/apraxia issues- but you?

Nothing, never, ever even once!! OMG-- its our decision what to do

with OUR own families- it is NOT your job to push it on us!! If you

have no speech issues to contribute to--than why are you here?

Here in our vaccinated community- there was another poor child in my

community who contracted Whooping Cough- and he WAS vaccinated!! So-

keep your children locked in the house this winter. If one of " them "

can catch it- imagine how vulnerable un-vac kid might be- pretty scary!!

-- In , a DeVelbiss

<gabrieladevelbiss@...> wrote:

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> " I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical.

Even God had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all

spin. " ~ Jerry Newport

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November 15, 2008

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> > " I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical.

> Even God had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all

> spin. " ~ Jerry Newport

> >

November 15, 2008

Dear Maureen:

Both my children started non-verbal... and have slowly recovered to apraxia!!!

And it all has to do with treating them for neurological problems caused by

vaccination: micro-vascular strokes!!! And I am just informing parents so that

if the choose to vaccinate, they will do it being informed and know side

effects, ingredients, effectiveness and consequences of such vaccines!!! I am

not trying to impose... but if you don't like my post... just don't have to read

them...and are not there to upset you!!! sorry you feel that way...

Love, Gabby. :0)

http://stemcellforautism.blogspot.com/

" I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God had

some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin. " ~ Jerry Newport

November 15, 2008

I am completely convinced that Mark had micro-vascular strokes.... he is very

much like a stroke victim and via extensive research.... I am very sure that his

illness has to do with his 2nd month vaccines. I 'know' he is vaccine injured

and that he is one of those children who sustained damage at a young age.

Anyone who does the research can delve into the possible consequences of

vaccination. Once you do... you learn what happened to your child. I am 'not'

anti-vaccine in any way and Mark has had all of his vaccines to date. BUT.....

I believe that our tender young babies need to have a better/safer schedule for

we are hurting many of them for the 'greater' good. I dislike the idea that it

is acceptable that my child be used in this way.

But.... society has accepted that our children... our sweet young kids.... can

be victims for the rest of society. It is wrong and we need to find a better

way. This information is important and those who don't agree with it can just

hit the 'delete' button. It IS relevent to our kids.... very relevant!

Outbursts that are rude and unkind are not a thoughtful way to respond to

someone who has taken the time and energy to provide research to others. Read

it if you wish, delete it if it does not pertain to you.

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM][ ] Re: MEASLES! MUMPS! RUBELLA!

Dear Maureen:

Both my children started non-verbal... and have slowly recovered to apraxia!!!

And it all has to do with treating them for neurological problems caused by

vaccination: micro-vascular strokes!!! And I am just informing parents so that

if the choose to vaccinate, they will do it being informed and know side

effects, ingredients, effectiveness and consequences of such vaccines!!! I am

not trying to impose... but if you don't like my post... just don't have to read

them...and are not there to upset you!!! sorry you feel that way...

Love, Gabby. :0)

http://stemcellforautism.blogspot.com/

" I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God had

some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin. " ~ Jerry Newport

November 16, 2008

Maureen

If the posts against vaccines or the ones about vaccine awareness bother

you-- and they come from one source-- why not just DELETE those particular

posts?

Just thinking out loud

Becky

In a message dated 11/15/2008 12:56:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

mosense@... writes:

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> Even God had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all

> spin. " ~ Jerry Newport

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> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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November 16, 2008

Becky and everyone else that posted something similar.....

Very well said. I don't understand why people get so worked up and bothered.

If it bothers you then delete it. I purposely " lurk " more than post because of

some of the negativity from certain individuals.

Yvette

From: tbniesh@... <tbniesh@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: MEASLES! MUMPS! RUBELLA!

Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 10:03 AM

Maureen

If the posts against vaccines or the ones about vaccine awareness bother

you-- and they come from one source-- why not just DELETE those particular

posts?

Just thinking out loud

Becky

In a message dated 11/15/2008 12:56:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

mosense (DOT) com writes:

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> > " I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical.

> Even God had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all

> spin. " ~ Jerry Newport

> >

November 16, 2008

<sigh>

-- for pretty much the majority of those here on this list-- this

*IS* the place for not only learning about the possible causes of Apraxia (of

which, I might remind you, vaccines is one of those possible causes) but also

the CURES of Apraxia.

There are so many people on this list who are interested in getting to the

OTHER SIDE of Apraxia-- and ridding our children from as many of the issues

that they have, as we possibly can. If a child who is already neural-challenged

can possibly be MORE damaged as a result of just one little vaccine-- don't

you want to know this? Don't we all want that for these precious children?

I realize that this is an APRAXIA list-- but I daresay that the vaccine

information, the bio-medical information, the Fish Oils and Vit E info, the PT,

OT, and ST and HBOT, and Hippotherapy-- and all those other things out there

ARE ALL PART OF DEALING WITH APRAXIA

I truly understand what it's like to have time limits---I have 8 children

whom I home school, I have at least 2 special needs children and a newborn in

that mix as well--not to mention that I monitor 2 e-lists myself, and I could

go on and on and on with my time restraints. Either you can go on digest mail

to cut down on the amount of mail, or you can simply continue to delete

those things that don't interest you, because in reality, it really DOES take

less time just to delete -- even less time than it took for you to complain

about it in your own email!

just my thoughts--

Bek

In a message dated 11/16/2008 7:13:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

whitmore_dh@... writes:

And I have to agree with Maureen. This group is for APRAXIA, not

natural healing/cures/natural healing/cures/<WBR>anti-vaccine

being one who is carefully proceeding with my own child's vaccines,

but I am tired of going into my inbox and having half of the MANY

messages that I have to get through being related to vaccines, etc.

when I am hoping to find information about APRAXIA. It's one of the

reasons I haven't been on here much lately. It takes me forever to

go through all of the messages and delete those that I am not

interested in reading...before I even get to those I am. There is

only so much time in the day.

It seems to me that there must be another group that those of us who

are interested in this subject can go to or maybe one can be started?

Just my thoughts....J

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No one really knows for sure what role these vaccinations play in many

conditions. Maybe just maybe they play a part in apraxia? I think apraxia is a

little bit of a mystery condition, although neurological in nature who knows if

certain things or toxins or vaccinations for that matter make things

worse.... Just for thought. Jen

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And I have to agree with Maureen. This group is for APRAXIA, not

natural healing/cures/anti-vaccine schools of thought. I say this

being one who is carefully proceeding with my own child's vaccines,

but I am tired of going into my inbox and having half of the MANY

messages that I have to get through being related to vaccines, etc.

when I am hoping to find information about APRAXIA. It's one of the

reasons I haven't been on here much lately. It takes me forever to

go through all of the messages and delete those that I am not

interested in reading...before I even get to those I am. There is

only so much time in the day.

It seems to me that there must be another group that those of us who

are interested in this subject can go to or maybe one can be started?

Just my thoughts.....

in OH

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> > > " I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical.

> > Even God had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all

> > spin. " ~ Jerry Newport

> > >

November 16, 2008

Hi ,

I do believe the Fish Oil --PRO EFA EPA + E --are......part of those " natural

healing cures " we are all here to learn more about..... and there is also a lot

of talk about arsenic, and creatinine and carnitine...and lead, .... possibly

mercury, that has been known to affect people neurologically...vitamin E.....

and many of these these are not tested for or prescribed by regualr doctors on a

regular basis it seems--they just haven't learned about them in their training

and that's why we're here posting on this list and not just going to the doctor

to get all the information we need from them only.

Hmm...I see your point, and I am sorry, you do have a lot to delete here then,

but I think the larger list can benefit from this information and there are

really no negative consequences for those who do not want to read about natural

cures because they can just delete those messages. It's just that simple!

I am sorry, I don't mean to trivialize this, and I do see that there is a lot of

information presented here that you do not want to read about but I really do

think it is important to present it for those who do. Please bear with us and

just delete what you don't care to read about. Honestly, I do the same thing

too for the posts where I feel I either have nothing to contribute or they just

don't pertain to my daughter's situation in any way. But I generally read them

just to be sure, and then when I see what they are about I delete, or save them

and thank the people who posted them as the case may be.

This is really a wonderful resource for us all, it is the most active apraxia

list there is, others aren't as active and perhaps you would have an easier time

there, they really don't encourage fish oil and " natural cures " at all--so

that's also a choice. Just do what works best for you. We're all here to learn

and if we only want to learn about the topics we have already decided interest

us, deleting isn't that hard. We have to keep an open mind for those who want to

learn more.

-Elena

From: <whitmore_dh@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: MEASLES! MUMPS! RUBELLA!

Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 5:43 PM