Re: MEASLES! MUMPS! RUBELLA!

November 17, 2008

I have a question if anyone knows the answer. For those of us that believe

vaccinations caused our children harm in some way, is the damage reversable, or

is there nothing that can be done once the shot is given? Jen

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November 17, 2008

That is perfectly fine if you know that the shots caused harm, I was not

saying that was not a possibility, I was saying who knows what other things

besides vaccinations could cause harm. It is not a blanket statement at all. I

believe vaccinations probably do play a role to some degree, how much I don't

know and I don't think anyone does. A person has a genetic make up and who

knows what can set off a condition in a particular person, there are a lot of

possibilities. A lot of people are at a loss as to why this happened to our

children and what caused it, vaccines are not the only possibility. I wish I

knew for sure what caused it for my son, I believe that the shots didnt help

the situation. Jen

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November 17, 2008

Janice,

Funny you should talk about glucose levels. After a hormone panel done on

myself and the results in yesterday. They have found that I am estrogen

dominant. They are fixing with bio identical hormones, progesterone. My DHEA

level is high which means, I have a metabolic probelm and they think it is

hypoglycemia. I will be tested next week. We will do DHEA and cortizol on

Charlie by the same MD/ND endocrinologist. Next on the long list. I have

read the book ageless by Suzanne Somers and it has some tremendous

information in it. It is a great read for us mothers who are 35 and above.

It is a crazy world when Chrissy Snow is telling me information that makes

sense! Unfortunately, these docs need a face though. Amazingly enough, it is

right in line with Bock's book. Infact, he is one of the doctors on the

list. Definetely lookinto it.

I think there is a metabolic issue pointing to sugar behind our boys.

****DISCLAIMER - I am not anti-doctor, just working proactive physicians.

Thanks,

Colleen

Mother of Charlie 3 years

Re: [ ] Re: MEASLES! MUMPS! RUBELLA!

Many of our children, if they have hypotonia, should be expertly looked at

for mitochondria dysfunction as well. This can be a serious condition down

the road leading to diabetes, liver issues and all sorts of other problems.

We have never done this with Mark and now.... since he is testing out with

high fasting blood glucose levels..... I am sorry that I never knew to have

a doctor look at this. We did a second test last week and I am praying every

single night.... that his blood glucose levels are normal this time. If not,

then we have some major 'serious' issues on our hands... it feels as though

I just get my son 'better' and then something 'else' always seems to crop

up. It's depressing!

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

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Apraxia is a symptom. Knowing what causes it in the individual child

matters...was it stroke, allergy, genetics a combo. The studies on

macrobid have been done so a big part of what we have here is solved.

For Colleen and I the studies on celiac, thyroid stuff, etc. have

been done...so again more clues. is the only doc

trying to look at all of this globally and cannot get a study easily.

So this " we'll never know " when there are roads we can take on our

own (for us here it is checking for lymes again as we tripped a

screen and a few other tests) that do not warrant waiting. Macrobid

plus vaccines...certain ones, at the wrong time, does the kind of

damage we saw and may explain why he is speaking so well but still

can't do stairs.

Everyone has to do what is right for their kid. For some of us that

means looking at vaccines. The combination of two vaccines given

within the wrong proximity to a certain drug harmed my kid and has

been studied beyond my kid. I am thrilled he is doing well but would

be a fool to think it is over. My kid has lingering things that if

let go will be very damaging so saying " we may never know " and

watching him decline are not an option. This is my kid though and not

what happened to everyone elses BUT how I found out was through what

he had in common with many kids here.

It is about support. Supporting each parent for their own decisions.

Not about tearing down. Or at least that is what I thought it was.

Health to all.

L

>

> Liz I don't believe that 's statement was blanket. To me it's

> the truth. We honestly don't know what causes apraxia even if you

or

> me or Colleen or anyone else here insists we do know. While we

> still don't know what apraxia is it appears there are more and more

> children even younger than 2 years old being diagnosed with it by

> SLPs who " aren't sure " " don't really know much about apraxia "

> but " suspect it " . Thus we today do have a number of members

> with " cured " 3 year olds and who knows if they really were apraxic

or

> they were just late talkers? I'm sure the answer to that is

> again 'we' don't know. To know for fact we need to develop valid

> tests through research. And that's only one type of research

apraxia

> is lacking in. Apraxia is probably a mystery more due to lack of

> research rather than it's mysteriousness.

>

> =====

>

November 17, 2008

Depends on the shot and what caused the harm. Dr. Cave has reading on

this.

>

> I have a question if anyone knows the answer. For those of us that

believe

> vaccinations caused our children harm in some way, is the damage

reversable, or

> is there nothing that can be done once the shot is given? Jen

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November 17, 2008

I only know because I did the work to find out and frankly don't feel

like I should be made to feel like I was wrong to look which is the

tone of the response to Gabby's sharing of info. By posting info she

is posting. People can read it or not. My point was that I was glad

it was here or maybe I'd never have found a big part of the puzzle

here. I am also so tired of hearing how different my kid is...I have

been told on this board that:

1) My son was lighter

2) My son was more harmed

In fact he is both. His brain was hit hard and now it is his body.

The hope is both will heal andf that no one knows and it, frankly,

sucks. I don't care that he has speech...I want him not sick.

Worst of all I was told it was in my head. Not supportive for sure.

Oh well, you get what you can where you can and move on. What I won't

do is fight with another mom.

>

> That is perfectly fine if you know that the shots caused harm, I

was not

> saying that was not a possibility, I was saying who knows what

other things

> besides vaccinations could cause harm. It is not a blanket

statement at all. I

> believe vaccinations probably do play a role to some degree, how

much I don't

> know and I don't think anyone does. A person has a genetic make

up and who

> knows what can set off a condition in a particular person, there

are a lot of

> possibilities. A lot of people are at a loss as to why this

happened to our

> children and what caused it, vaccines are not the only

possibility. I wish I

> knew for sure what caused it for my son, I believe that the shots

didnt help

> the situation. Jen

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November 17, 2008

Well, in my dad the dibetic it is mercury. Not from shots though. He

had all his teeth and mercury fillings pulled out and no chelation.

Wala....diabetes.

Hopefully my boy won't get it. They have the same symptoms.

> >

> > Liz I don't believe that 's statement was blanket. To me

it's

> > the truth. We honestly don't know what causes apraxia even if you

> or

> > me or Colleen or anyone else here insists we do know. While we

> > still don't know what apraxia is it appears there are more and

more

> > children even younger than 2 years old being diagnosed with it by

> > SLPs who " aren't sure " " don't really know much about apraxia "

> > but " suspect it " . Thus we today do have a number of members

> > with " cured " 3 year olds and who knows if they really were

apraxic

> or

> > they were just late talkers? I'm sure the answer to that is

> > again 'we' don't know. To know for fact we need to develop valid

> > tests through research. And that's only one type of research

> apraxia

> > is lacking in. Apraxia is probably a mystery more due to lack of

> > research rather than it's mysteriousness.

> >

> > =====

> >

November 17, 2008

Jen,

This is a very hard and complicated course.

First of all, I want you to look at your own personal history.... make yourself

a word document or an excel spreadsheet and begin a history....

Let me give you an example of my history.....

Janice

history of tonsilitis and penacillan immunity throughout childhood.

Treated for HPV in late 20's.

contracted chicken pox while pregnant with Mark

normal birth but very quick... Mark was born in 15 minutes!

Mark

2nd month shots, Mark had a touch of a cold before shots.... slept through the

night afterwards even though had his shots at 10:00 am in the morning!

One week later, Mark contracted RSV and was hospitalized

declined for a bit,

perked up again and resumed normal development

Walked right before first birthday, potty trained right at 2.5

introduced Milk at one year bread at about 18 months

Development begins to decline, begins to fall, trip and get nasty head injuries

- have Mark wear a helmut when playing on the sidewalk due to falls

2.5 we notice that his speech is becoming slurred and not developing; this has

changed for his speech was okay to begin with.

Enrolment in early intervention.

Since DTAP at 2 months of age, my son has never had a fever, never been sick

with a flu longer then a 1/2 day (indicating that his T cells (immune cells) are

ALWAYS on high. Last week, he actually got sick with a light fever and I almost

jumped for joy!

Okay... notice something that is throughout that list? VIRUSES! Yes, my son

seemed to get hit by a ton of virulent items. The shots serve as a weakening

point. Mercury gets in there and it compromises the bodies immune system and

it's ability to ward off viruses. My son received over 200 times the mercury

recommended in his body. But, interestingly enough, he is not really a mercury

kid but a lead kid. (though he does still have higher numbers of mercury then

he should). Colleens boy, Charlie was an alluminium kid. We all have our

metals and they do different things. But what the shots did in our specific

children was to disrupt the immune system and the gastrointestinal balance that

is so delicate in a young infant. This impairs the body's ability to detoxify

itself and when others can excrete the items that they get hit with.... our kids

are sluggish and their systems cannot eliminate environmental waste very well.

Everytime they injected my son with mercury, they compromised his immune system

and not only that.... they told me to give him TYLENOL!.... which further

suppresses the immune system! Tylenol depletes glutathione (our body's natural

soap) from the body. Don't use it!

So... count the mercury fillings in your mouth (because that IS relevant), and

take a GOOD detail look at your history and your childs' history. " Genetics may

load the Gun but the environment loads the trigger! " You will hear this saying,

over and over again. It is so true!

No item is too trivial nor too small to look at.... to find the cure, we must

seek the original injury or combination of injuries..... and then we seek to

heal that body! The recovery is achieved by a three pronged method.....

supplement the body and heal the gut, get rid of the metals, the bacteria, the

viruses, the candida and parasites, replenish the gut with good flora and get

rid of any foods that may be compromising the system.

Look at your history and begin to write it out as you remember it. Keep a

journal on the computer and every once in a while, add to it.... everything you

can remember and then research.....

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

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I have a question if anyone knows the answer. For those of us that believe

vaccinations caused our children harm in some way, is the damage reversable,

or

is there nothing that can be done once the shot is given? Jen

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November 17, 2008

Colleen,

I was just quickly reviewing adrenal fatigue. Apparently it can mess up your

blood sugar levels and guess what one of the triggers is? yes.... the stress

placed on the body from 'food' intolerances/allergies! hmmmm..... Anyway, just

reviewing it since it seems like the treatment is what we are already doing....

adjust the diet and supplement but there are some who use steroids to normalize

it....

Still looking. I don't quite buy the diabetes angle because some days Mark is

just fine and he never really has the diabetic 'symptoms'..... but I need to

look at hypoglycemia since that one I haven't reviewed yet.... Too much

research, too little time!

Interesting what you have found. I'll be interested to hear what the endo has

to say about Charlie and what he thinks.....