Guest guest Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 In Michele's case I'm guessing the lab indicated that " Positive (immune) is over 10 " that means than any number under 10 means the vaccine didn't take. 300 is actually not that astounding of a number. You can get much much higher with just one shot. I used to work in employee health at a hospital where we ran titers on most new employees as JCAHO regulations demand immunity for anyone with patient contact. If you received two MMR shots or had a positive titer you were considered immune. I'm only familiar with results being reported as 1:10 (or 1:15 or 1:18 usually depending on which lab) but when the result comes back it states that the result is negative, equivocal or positive. Anything but positive means the person doesn't have immunity. It's a bit like a pregnancy blood draw. There is a very very large range of what a normal HCG level is in early pregnancy. I really wouldn't be alarmed by a number much higher than 10. Rather I'd be alarmed if a vaccinated child had a number very close to 10 since the number WILL go down after time that means that the vaccine really didn't take and that child needs a booster to maintain immunity. The MMR is a combination vaccine and it is given twice because the measles almost always requires two shots for adequate protection. Mumps usually requires 2, but sometimes you can have a positive titer after just one. Rubella is a one time shot so anyone who gets MMR gets the rubella a second time unnecessarily. I've seen people come in, get the titers drawn because they didn't want to find their shot records, show up as not having immunity and then they try to bring in their shot record which shows they did indeed have two shots. Unfortunately I had to be a meanie and explain that, no, since they now have a negative titer they still need to get a booster. Funny thing is I haven't even had my kids get the MMR, but those were the rules of my job (I didn't do the shots, just tracked new employees new hire requirements.) A titer can be run by any lab with a simple blood draw if you can find someone to order the blood work. It doesn't have to be done by a DAN doctor or anything special. Hope this helps with understanding of just what those numbers mean. Miche On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Laimi Fernandez<talkltalk@...> wrote: > > > Wow! 300 when it should be 10 or less. With those number it is difficult to > believe that the vaccine didn't do any harm. I don't know your whole story. > Please, tell me... did you see a regression after he had the first MMR? > I am in FL. Are you also in NJ? I think I have homework and must find the > closest place where we can do this exam. Thank you! > Laimi > > > > > From: helpingjon <babyjjmama@...> > Subject: [ ] Re: Vaccination > > Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 8:02 PM > > For us it was as simple as filling out a form at the nurse's office in the > school. It might depend on state though. > > You can always get his titers checked. My son's DAN just did that for us, > and his rubella titers are sky high. Positive (immune) is over 10, and his > was close to 300! And that was from the original MMR he had four years ago > ... thank goodnes we did not get a booster. > > Stay strong. > > Michele > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Yes, he got a fever and a rash a couple of days after the MMR, and then he regressed. He stopped talking, waving bye bye, high fiving, making eye contact, responding to name, etc. ... I feel like I unknowingly traded rubella (a minor childhood illness) for autism/apraxia/adhd. And to think I held him down and told him it was going to be okay while they injected that junk into him. I am not in FL or NJ. I live in the Southwestern US. Michele > > > > > > Hi! > > My name is Laimi and my son's name is . It has been a long time since I wrote. is talking like a parrot, but his articulation is still a mess. We are working on it though. Considering that 15 months ago he could only say 2 words, having articulation problems is something expected. > > I still need your help. I would like to know where/how I can find all the archives about vaccination. It is time for him to get another MMR and I want to wait. I would hate to see a regression at this point. He is home-bound anyways and will stay at home for another year or so before he can go into a classroom with other kids. I need all the information available to have the school board respect my right to delay vaccination or not have it at all; even if it implies lying about religious beliefs or whatever. Thank you and good luck to all!! > > Laimi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 All his other titers were just about 2-6 times the positive number. Rubella was the only one that was over 26 times higher, which to me makes his immune response stand out. I have heard the term 'hyperimmunity' but need to speak to our DAN next week to find out what this all really means. What is interesting is that my son had his measles titer drawn when he was 2 1/2 and now again at 5 1/2 and he was six times the positive (this is with no booster, so he just had the one shot and had immunity) and what is weirdest is that his titers went UP not down over the three years. What does that mean? Do you know? Michele > > > > From: helpingjon <babyjjmama@...> > > Subject: [ ] Re: Vaccination > > > > Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 8:02 PM > > > > For us it was as simple as filling out a form at the nurse's office in the > > school. It might depend on state though. > > > > You can always get his titers checked. My son's DAN just did that for us, > > and his rubella titers are sky high. Positive (immune) is over 10, and his > > was close to 300! And that was from the original MMR he had four years ago > > ... thank goodnes we did not get a booster. > > > > Stay strong. > > > > Michele > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 OMG! It was probably an allergic reaction to the chemicals in the vaccine. Did you report the symptoms? If not, please do. > > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > My name is Laimi and my son's name is . It has been a long time since I wrote. is talking like a parrot, but his articulation is still a mess. We are working on it though. Considering that 15 months ago he could only say 2 words, having articulation problems is something expected. > > > I still need your help. I would like to know where/how I can find all the archives about vaccination. It is time for him to get another MMR and I want to wait. I would hate to see a regression at this point. He is home-bound anyways and will stay at home for another year or so before he can go into a classroom with other kids. I need all the information available to have the school board respect my right to delay vaccination or not have it at all; even if it implies lying about religious beliefs or whatever. Thank you and good luck to all!! > > > Laimi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Over 300, since someone other than me said it first, is not a bad thing. A low number would be (like <10). My guess might be aheavily vaccinated child, cntact with someone with the disease, or having the disease itself. Maybe this will help: http://www.cababstractsplus.org/abstracts/Abstract.aspx?AcNo=20053179644 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Titers going up could possibly mean exposure which then stimulated another immune response. I'm not sure what else it could mean. On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 10:12 AM, helpingjon<babyjjmama@...> wrote: > > > > All his other titers were just about 2-6 times the positive number. Rubella > was the only one that was over 26 times higher, which to me makes his immune > response stand out. I have heard the term 'hyperimmunity' but need to speak > to our DAN next week to find out what this all really means. > > What is interesting is that my son had his measles titer drawn when he was 2 > 1/2 and now again at 5 1/2 and he was six times the positive (this is with > no booster, so he just had the one shot and had immunity) and what is > weirdest is that his titers went UP not down over the three years. What does > that mean? Do you know? > > Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 It did help! Thank you very much! Laimi > > From: helpingjon <babyjjmamahotmail (DOT) com> > Subject: [childrensapraxiane t] Re: Vaccination > @groups. com > Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 8:02 PM > > For us it was as simple as filling out a form at the nurse's office in the > school. It might depend on state though. > > You can always get his titers checked. My son's DAN just did that for us, > and his rubella titers are sky high. Positive (immune) is over 10, and his > was close to 300! And that was from the original MMR he had four years ago > ... thank goodnes we did not get a booster. > > Stay strong. > > Michele > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Michele, Please, don't judge what you did in the past with the experience you have today. You did it like 99% of the population does it, thinking that it is going to be OK. Imagine how I would feel if I thought that my son needed fusion of two more vertebrae because I made a mistake. I have thought about it... I think about it every single day, but then I look back and the other options were horrible! My husband and I traveled around the country looking for an orthopedic surgeon who considered the VEPTRs (a kind of spinal rod) to be the ones that were going to work. We basically convinced the guys in Boston Children's Hospital to use those and the rods failed 7 months later. His spine collpased back to 90+ degrees. He needed removal of what was left of the three vertebrae that had been partially removed and fusion of two more levels being only 4 years old. Fortunately he is able to walk although he has been in bed since December, while the fusion gets hard. It may be hard already or may take up to two years. Who knows. We will have a CT in two weeks. That's another thing: a CT scan every three months. Lots of radiation! And I can't stop thinking that maybe, when his spine is finally OK, we may have to deal with something worse. Still... do I have another choice now? The only way to check the fusion is with CTs because a simple x-ray film does not show that. Every time goes into that machine, he thinks he is watching a train going around because there is a piece o metal that moves really fast and we had to tell him it was a little train to keep him still and avoid sedation. In the meantime I am thinking about leukemia and who knows what else. How were you supposed to know a regression and all the other things were going to happen? How many children are vaccinated and they don't become autistic. Maybe it was not even the vaccine after all. We suspect it is causing more problems than good in some children, but again... how were you supposed to know? Sometimes, even knowing what you are dealing with does not help at all. Laimi From: helpingjon <babyjjmama@...> Subject: [ ] Re: Vaccination - to Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 1:00 PM Yes, he got a fever and a rash a couple of days after the MMR, and then he regressed. He stopped talking, waving bye bye, high fiving, making eye contact, responding to name, etc. ... I feel like I unknowingly traded rubella (a minor childhood illness) for autism/apraxia/ adhd. And to think I held him down and told him it was going to be okay while they injected that junk into him. I am not in FL or NJ. I live in the Southwestern US. Michele > > > > > > Hi! > > My name is Laimi and my son's name is . It has been a long time since I wrote. is talking like a parrot, but his articulation is still a mess. We are working on it though. Considering that 15 months ago he could only say 2 words, having articulation problems is something expected. > > I still need your help. I would like to know where/how I can find all the archives about vaccination. It is time for him to get another MMR and I want to wait. I would hate to see a regression at this point. He is home-bound anyways and will stay at home for another year or so before he can go into a classroom with other kids. I need all the information available to have the school board respect my right to delay vaccination or not have it at all; even if it implies lying about religious beliefs or whatever. Thank you and good luck to all!! > > Laimi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Hi again , I checked the list that sent and the thing that bothered me was the embrios of chicken. Have you tested him for eggs and chicken allergies? I don't even know if this can be done. I don't know... just had that idea (?????) There are more substances in the vaccine but to my surprise, MMR was not one of the worst. Laimi > > > > All his other titers were just about 2-6 times the positive number. Rubella > was the only one that was over 26 times higher, which to me makes his immune > response stand out. I have heard the term 'hyperimmunity' but need to speak > to our DAN next week to find out what this all really means. > > What is interesting is that my son had his measles titer drawn when he was 2 > 1/2 and now again at 5 1/2 and he was six times the positive (this is with > no booster, so he just had the one shot and had immunity) and what is > weirdest is that his titers went UP not down over the three years. What does > that mean? Do you know? > > Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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