Re: Digest Number 6606

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I have never heard of the child being pulled from school as part of the

IEP. Doubt an IEP/ARD team would ever agree to anything such as this. But I do

know when a child is going to be pulled by the parents from the public

school setting and placed privately they are required to give the school in

writing a ten day notice.

MG

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Fri Jul 3, 2009 10:41 pm (PDT)

If the parent pulls the child from the school without it being in the IEP

(which means it's agreed to by the IEP team) and puts the child in a

private school -then I agree the public school probably doesn't have to offer

anything but the evaluation and perhaps walk in service. If one wanted to

pull a child out of public school it would have been far better to do it via

the IEP. The local school doesn't have to offer private school or private

school services however they have to provide a free and appropriate public

education in the least restrictive environment and if they can't do that in

district then the child would be entitled by law to " out of district "

therapy or placement -and that could include various options. My son had out of

district preschool placement (paid for by our town's school) at the beyond

incredible -wish it went to HS it was that awesome! Summit Speech School in

New Providence NJ.

As the very wise Kanter (former director of SSS who passed away

years ago of cancer) once said to me " when it comes to IEPs you have to know

how to play the game " My advice when I just wanted to pull my son out? " Just

give him a few months there (in the public school preschool program) to

prove it's not appropriate " And that's all it took! We didn't have to fight

for anything after that -or pay for that very expensive private school!

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Laws vary from state to state, but FEDERAL LAWS overrule any state laws. I

would like to add to Bonnie's post that there is such a thing as dual

enrollment, and while a child might be being educated privately, especially if

the public school district does not have the resources to provide to the

school or just plainly does not want to provide them, if the child resides in

the district, the district is still responsible for proving support

services such as ot, speech, pt, etc.

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Fri Jul 3, 2009 10:41 pm (PDT)

If the parent pulls the child from the school without it being in the IEP

(which means it's agreed to by the IEP team) and puts the child in a

private school -then I agree the public school probably doesn't have to offer

anything but the evaluation and perhaps walk in service. If one wanted to

pull a child out of public school it would have been far better to do it via

the IEP. The local school doesn't have to offer private school or private

school services however they have to provide a free and appropriate public

education in the least restrictive environment and if they can't do that in

district then the child would be entitled by law to " out of district "

therapy or placement -and that could include various options. My son had out of

district preschool placement (paid for by our town's school) at the beyond

incredible -wish it went to HS it was that awesome! Summit Speech School in

New Providence NJ.

As the very wise Kanter (former director of SSS who passed away

years ago of cancer) once said to me " when it comes to IEPs you have to know

how to play the game " My advice when I just wanted to pull my son out? " Just

give him a few months there (in the public school preschool program) to

prove it's not appropriate " And that's all it took! We didn't have to fight

for anything after that -or pay for that very expensive private school!

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, correct me if I am wrong. For example when the child is apraxic,

dyspraxic, or whatever, even if the services are required 7 days a week, is

there not supposed to be a doctor's script indicating so. Even more

importantly if the sd is billing medicaid, they have to provide the medical

model

of services andnot the educationa model.

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Fri Jul 3, 2009 10:41 pm (PDT)

If the parent pulls the child from the school without it being in the IEP

(which means it's agreed to by the IEP team) and puts the child in a

private school -then I agree the public school probably doesn't have to offer

anything but the evaluation and perhaps walk in service. If one wanted to

pull a child out of public school it would have been far better to do it via

the IEP. The local school doesn't have to offer private school or private

school services however they have to provide a free and appropriate public

education in the least restrictive environment and if they can't do that in

district then the child would be entitled by law to " out of district "

therapy or placement -and that could include various options. My son had out of

district preschool placement (paid for by our town's school) at the beyond

incredible -wish it went to HS it was that awesome! Summit Speech School in

New Providence NJ.

As the very wise Kanter (former director of SSS who passed away

years ago of cancer) once said to me " when it comes to IEPs you have to know

how to play the game " My advice when I just wanted to pull my son out? " Just

give him a few months there (in the public school preschool program) to

prove it's not appropriate " And that's all it took! We didn't have to fight

for anything after that -or pay for that very expensive private school!

=====

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I'm not sure if what I read is the way you were stating it, so here's my

example...I was speaking to a parent in a neighboring SD (rural) whose son is

autistic and was enrolled in the integrated prek program. This mom told me that

the SD agreed w/ her that perhaps her son would be better served in a school in

another district that was designed for children w/ autism. Now, I do have to

say that (in my opinion) the mom probably brought up moving her son to another

school so that he could be better served, but I do not know that for a fact.

When I was a child growing up in a rural SD we had a student that had some

orthopedic issue (again I was a child, so I don't know what his dx was -

muscular dystrophy perhaps). The child was in our elem until the 4th grade and

then moved to a neighboring city SD that had many more services to offer this

child. My guess in this case is that the district said he should be moved.

Our SD does not have any children that are involved w/ many services - it's just

not cost efficient for them to have such specialized staff on hand for one or

two children, so they send them to another district and yes they pay for that.

Bonnie

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I know you asked , but the doctor only prescrib that the speech services are

needed. The insurance company, like ours, only provides 2 times a week (or

however many). A prior authorization, which can onl be approved by the insurance

company would be what was needed to get more services.

Three doctors wrote letters indicating my son has to have his thepies in the

home. Under current IDEA law (we had a lawyer check), the school system does not

have to do this for a homeschooled student, and only would have to come out 3

hours a week for a homebond student. In ordr to be a homebound student, the

school has to approve it (and they can declin) no matter what the doctor's

letters say.

The school , acoording to the special lawyer we had look into it, only has to

give services that they would give other students with the same condition,

whether appropriate or not. Since school only operates 5 days per week, even on

extended year during the summer, then the school only has to provide

Monday-Friday services when they are open.

My son was eligible for ESY services, but received none.

I think the school was tryin to weasel ot of giving a chroically-ill homebound

child services because they simply were not qualified and had no money

(according to them, which is no excuse) nor nobody to come and do the services.

It got to a point that I realized how much time had been wasted already, as one

more year had flown by and my son was falling deeper into his apraxic condition

without help.

Without money to fight (and it takes it in my area, at least) the system, I

decided to do what I could to get him on the track of gaining Total

Communication and to progress in his learning.

Even with money, a case like mine would still be in court when my son is 12

years-old.

I weighed the pros and cons and gave up the fight, but we still have regular

newspaper articles on my son. The newspaper only prints once a week here (if

that tells you anything about the area I now live in) and we always mention that

the school district is not giving him any services and they never have in a very

tactful way. It is a small town and word gets around fast. It did not take me

long to find out that I was fighting for useless services in the first place. In

my area, the Special Education in itself is worthless (straight from the mouths

of parents whose children are in it).

I do believe I made a good choice~the choice was to better my son's learning and

communication skills.