Re: Re; Speech Therapy transferring from public to private school question

[Guest guest]

Hi. It's my understanding (from the district where I work) that the local

school district does not have to offer services to a child in a private school,

they are responsible for the evaluation, but can say if you want the services

you have to come to our school(s) - which could mean a " walk-in " service. I

don't know if that is across the board for all schools or just the way we work

it. Be careful about speech being provided by an actual SLP and not a special

ed teacher/tutor, which could be something offered to you.

Bonnie

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> hello all, my child has Apraxia and gets speech therapy 2x week in our local

school where he attends.

> In Sept., he will be going to a private school, out of our home district,

different IU. Does the home district just " transfer " his IEP and he will

continue his therapy in the private school?

> I thought someone once said since the school is in a different county

different IU here in PA, their local IU has to do a whole new eval.?? I just

don't want any interruptions in his services since he so desperatley needs the

therapy.

> Thank you, appreciate it.

>

[Guest guest]

If the parent pulls the child from the school without it being in the IEP (which

means it's agreed to by the IEP team) and puts the child in a private school

-then I agree the public school probably doesn't have to offer anything but the

evaluation and perhaps walk in service. If one wanted to pull a child out of

public school it would have been far better to do it via the IEP. The local

school doesn't have to offer private school or private school services however

they have to provide a free and appropriate public education in the least

restrictive environment and if they can't do that in district then the child

would be entitled by law to " out of district " therapy or placement -and that

could include various options. My son had out of district preschool placement

(paid for by our town's school) at the beyond incredible -wish it went to HS it

was that awesome! Summit Speech School in New Providence NJ.

As the very wise Kanter (former director of SSS who passed away years ago

of cancer) once said to me " when it comes to IEPs you have to know how to play

the game " My advice when I just wanted to pull my son out? " Just give him a

few months there (in the public school preschool program) to prove it's not

appropriate " And that's all it took! We didn't have to fight for anything

after that -or pay for that very expensive private school!

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[Guest guest]

I wonder how plausible it is to think that a public school system and their

officials would " agree " in an IEP meeting to pay for private school and agree

that the child should be pulled out of the SD. That would be admitting that

their service is not good enough. If one is getting poor service from a public

institution, I would guess that itinerate services from the SD when the child

enrolls elsewhere would not be any different. I cannot imagine that one would

still seek the assistance from public school after withdrawing to attend the

private school.

I thought the idea of the special needs scholarship voucher was not only to

place your child elsewhere, but also to say that the SD is not doing their job

adequately enough. Depending on the extent of the child's disability, the check

will increase accordingly. With enough disability and services, the school has

to pay for someone else to provide that service when the child is withdrawn.

Limited issues would reduce the funds. More issues=more money that can be used.

A parent does not have to hold an IEP meeting and get the " consent " of the IEP

team in order to transfer a child. A new IEP will be formed anyways at the new

school, as the new school has the option of rendering a brand new IEP based on

their own evaluations. Under stay put provision, the same services the child is

curently receiving have to remain in place until a new IEP is made.

[Guest guest]

My two-year-old is in BCW, what a joke that program is. Although eligible for

services based on apraxia, they have no speech therapists in the area to provide

the services, won't pay for one to come to the home (saying that none take my

son's insurance) and offered us a spec. ed. teacher who was not an SLP, knew

very little (if any) about apraxia, and after a 45 minute conversation with her

on the phone, I realized she would be doing a significant amount less than I do

everyday and what she would be doing would constitute play therapy.

Supposedly, she was going to have communication with a speech therapist via the

phone every once and a while and get advice from her. What a joke. We declined

the service.

I do agree that one needs to be careful not just with the schools, but also with

early intervention programs. Being eligible for the program and being signed up

and having had the evaluation and diagnosis determined, no matter how severe,

does not guarantee they will provide Early Intervention Services.

[Guest guest]

I can speak only for the district where I live and the other district where I

work. They have both sent children w/ special needs to other districts if they

and the parents felt the district was unable to meet the child's needs. For

example - a child w/ othropedic needs went to the elementary school (one level),

but then moved to a different district when the child needed more OT, PT

(cheaper for the SD to do that then try to hire PT,OT staff for one child).

Certain autistic & severe behavior children (I do not know the exact cases) have

been sent to a school that specializes in children w/ autism or SBH. And

another case where the prek child is deaf (has coclear (sp??) implants) and the

parents wanted a certain program, not signing, so they sent her to a different

school for prek, but she's supposed to come back to her home school for kdg -

not sure how that will work out for her?

So, sometimes public school realize that they are unable to provide service for

students.

Bonnie

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> I wonder how plausible it is to think that a public school system and their

officials would " agree " in an IEP meeting to pay for private school and agree

that the child should be pulled out of the SD. That would be admitting that

their service is not good enough. If one is getting poor service from a public

institution, I would guess that itinerate services from the SD when the child

enrolls elsewhere would not be any different. I cannot imagine that one would

still seek the assistance from public school after withdrawing to attend the

private school.

> I thought the idea of the special needs scholarship voucher was not only to

place your child elsewhere, but also to say that the SD is not doing their job

adequately enough. Depending on the extent of the child's disability, the check

will increase accordingly. With enough disability and services, the school has

to pay for someone else to provide that service when the child is withdrawn.

Limited issues would reduce the funds. More issues=more money that can be used.

> A parent does not have to hold an IEP meeting and get the " consent " of the IEP

team in order to transfer a child. A new IEP will be formed anyways at the new

school, as the new school has the option of rendering a brand new IEP based on

their own evaluations. Under stay put provision, the same services the child is

curently receiving have to remain in place until a new IEP is made.

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[Guest guest]

Your story sounds a lot like my when my son aged out of EI. Just know that is

is not " good practice for a special education itinerant teacher to provide ST "

per the Nat'l Assoc. of Speech and Lang. I called our states Legal Rights and

had an advocate through there as well as an advocate through ARC and contacted

every state resource center (formerly known as SERRC), numerous people in the

NASL to ask if in fact our state now allows special ed teachers to be SLP's b/c

if so, that meant I had a whole new field opened up to me as well since I am

also a special ed teacher! I'm sure you can picture the faces on the school

staff when I told them that that teacher was not an SLP and not qualified by the

state. She actually had the audacity to say " yes I am! " to my face!!! I

laughed and explained that I also was a sped teacher and no she's not. At the

time our SD didn't have an SLP, they hired one shortly after we signed the IEP

(after many meetings) and the SD was paying for a SLP outside of the district to

provide ST for my son. The SLP we have now is great, she works w/ my son 2x a

week and has done summer speech as well (not to be confused w/ exteneded school

year services - haha - they think if they don't use that term I won't refer to

it as that - whatever, he's getting what he needs). Goodluck to you. Sounds

like you may need it, I know I did.

Bonnie

[Guest guest]

I can say that my daughter's school district agreed they couldn't meet her needs

and agreed right off the bat to pay for her placement in a private school that

has an apraxia program starting at preschool. We just had her annual IEP and the

school district agreed without any discussion that they will pay for her 2nd

year of preschool at this private school placement. So, it can and does happen,

though many parents do have to fight for such placement.

Lori

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> > I wonder how plausible it is to think that a public school system and their

officials would " agree " in an IEP meeting to pay for private school and agree

that the child should be pulled out of the SD. That would be admitting that

their service is not good enough. If one is getting poor service from a public

institution, I would guess that itinerate services from the SD when the child

enrolls elsewhere would not be any different. I cannot imagine that one would

still seek the assistance from public school after withdrawing to attend the

private school.

> > I thought the idea of the special needs scholarship voucher was not only to

place your child elsewhere, but also to say that the SD is not doing their job

adequately enough. Depending on the extent of the child's disability, the check

will increase accordingly. With enough disability and services, the school has

to pay for someone else to provide that service when the child is withdrawn.

Limited issues would reduce the funds. More issues=more money that can be used.

> > A parent does not have to hold an IEP meeting and get the " consent " of the

IEP team in order to transfer a child. A new IEP will be formed anyways at the

new school, as the new school has the option of rendering a brand new IEP based

on their own evaluations. Under stay put provision, the same services the child

is curently receiving have to remain in place until a new IEP is made.

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[Guest guest]

Lori, I am so happy for you and your daughter. That is GREAT!

I hope the private placement helps.

Congratulations.