The Listening Program headphones

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I have read on here where others have posted information about The Listening

Program. My

question is did you purchase the headphones and amp? I am looking at doing this

and wow

it is EXPENSIVE - but, I want to know what others have done and if it is truly

worth it.

What have your experiences been?

~

Ethan's Mom

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

We used Vital Links Therapeutic Listening® and I did find it to be SO

worth it. If you go for this therapy it's even more money and once

you own the headphones and CDs you can use it as long as you want.

One thing I remember is that you can't let them use it while watching

TV or using the computer. Other than that they can use it while

talking, during therapy, while eating or playing. The music should

be soft enough that it's just background for them. You have to order

the discs through a certified professional who is able to determine

the right discs for your particular child. For Tanner we got this

through Tanner's SLP at that time Ortega.

This is another one that we have much on in the archives we can't get

to right now -but there are a number of types of listening therapy.

Here's the link to Vital Links for now!

http://www.vitallinks.net/parentinfo.shtml

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Thank you! I will look into this.

~

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From: kiddietalk <kiddietalk@...>

Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:42:01 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: The Listening Program headphones

Hi ,

We used Vital Links Therapeutic Listening® and I did find it to be SO

worth it. If you go for this therapy it's even more money and once

you own the headphones and CDs you can use it as long as you want.

One thing I remember is that you can't let them use it while watching

TV or using the computer. Other than that they can use it while

talking, during therapy, while eating or playing. The music should

be soft enough that it's just background for them. You have to order

the discs through a certified professional who is able to determine

the right discs for your particular child. For Tanner we got this

through Tanner's SLP at that time Ortega.

This is another one that we have much on in the archives we can't get

to right now -but there are a number of types of listening therapy.

Here's the link to Vital Links for now!

http://www.vitallinks.net/parentinfo.shtml

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,

When we used The Listening Program... it was the 'older' classic version. We

used the program and purchased high quality headphones separately (cost about

$100). Many parents still do this.

For the child who is nonverbal or who has severly compromised tonal processing

issues, I would spring for the new bone conduction headphones. On average, I

believe that they indicate that the new bone conduction headphones make the

program work twice as fast.

Given where Ethen seems to be; I am thinking that you could probably get away

with doing what we did; spend about $550 on the program and purchase those

headphones for about $100 more. I believe Liz found good headphones somewhere

for about $75. If you wanted, you could add on the bone conduction headphones

later for an extra $900 or so.... or like us, you may find that you don't need

them.

When you get your program; don't stop with just a couple of rotations. We used

our program continuously for about a year and a half until we were satisfied

that ALL of Marks ear issues had been normalized. Thus we used it far beyond

the time that we could 'see' improvements..... we just continuously stimulated

those ears until everything was complete in this area.

Tonal processing, while it was a big issue for Mark; it was not the 'biggest'

issue. Sequential processing was his 'biggest' issue. Look into working with

Ethan with Digit Spans or object sequences since this was where we saw HUGE

deficits and then HUGE improvements to language when we fixed it.

Hope this gives you some feedback.

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM][ ] The Listening Program headphones

I have read on here where others have posted information about The Listening

Program. My

question is did you purchase the headphones and amp? I am looking at doing

this and wow

it is EXPENSIVE - but, I want to know what others have done and if it is truly

worth it.

What have your experiences been?

~

Ethan's Mom

[Guest guest]

Thanks,

This is the kind of input I need. We were looking at the headphones and I was

just so overwhelmed at the price tag. I am going to do some research on

headphones over the weekend.

Thanks again,

~

________________________________

From: Janice <jscott@...>

Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 11:10:26 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] The Listening Program headphones

,

When we used The Listening Program... it was the 'older' classic version. We

used the program and purchased high quality headphones separately (cost about

$100). Many parents still do this.

For the child who is nonverbal or who has severly compromised tonal processing

issues, I would spring for the new bone conduction headphones. On average, I

believe that they indicate that the new bone conduction headphones make the

program work twice as fast.

Given where Ethen seems to be; I am thinking that you could probably get away

with doing what we did; spend about $550 on the program and purchase those

headphones for about $100 more. I believe Liz found good headphones somewhere

for about $75. If you wanted, you could add on the bone conduction headphones

later for an extra $900 or so.... or like us, you may find that you don't need

them.

When you get your program; don't stop with just a couple of rotations. We used

our program continuously for about a year and a half until we were satisfied

that ALL of Marks ear issues had been normalized. Thus we used it far beyond

the time that we could 'see' improvements. .... we just continuously stimulated

those ears until everything was complete in this area.

Tonal processing, while it was a big issue for Mark; it was not the 'biggest'

issue. Sequential processing was his 'biggest' issue. Look into working with

Ethan with Digit Spans or object sequences since this was where we saw HUGE

deficits and then HUGE improvements to language when we fixed it.

Hope this gives you some feedback.

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM][childrensapr axianet] The Listening Program headphones

I have read on here where others have posted information about The Listening

Program. My

question is did you purchase the headphones and amp? I am looking at doing this

and wow

it is EXPENSIVE - but, I want to know what others have done and if it is truly

worth it.

What have your experiences been?

~

Ethan's Mom

[Guest guest]

I purchased the headphones and two modified CDs and my son did not

benefit from it at all other than he went from wearing the headphones

from 2 minutes to 30 minutes!! We used the program through my son's

OT for ten months. My son listened every day and his sleep, speech,

behavior, and appetite was not affected at all.

>

> Thank you! I will look into this.

>

> ~

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: kiddietalk <kiddietalk@...>

>

> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:42:01 PM

> Subject: [ ] Re: The Listening Program headphones

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> We used Vital Links Therapeutic Listening® and I did find it to be

SO

> worth it. If you go for this therapy it's even more money and once

> you own the headphones and CDs you can use it as long as you want.

> One thing I remember is that you can't let them use it while

watching

> TV or using the computer. Other than that they can use it while

> talking, during therapy, while eating or playing. The music should

> be soft enough that it's just background for them. You have to

order

> the discs through a certified professional who is able to determine

> the right discs for your particular child. For Tanner we got this

> through Tanner's SLP at that time Ortega.

>

> This is another one that we have much on in the archives we can't

get

> to right now -but there are a number of types of listening therapy.

> Here's the link to Vital Links for now!

> http://www.vitallinks.net/parentinfo.shtml

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

,

I second what Janice has to say about TLP. I purchased the sennheiser head

phones and I think I found them on-line by shopping around. I know that it

was cheaper to get on my own than through NACD who administers my program.

Saw immediate results in my 3 year old son in about a month. Standing more

erect! As for hubby, he is doing it too and really likes it, not saying hua

as much and it really cleared out his ears.

Good luck!

Colleen

Mother of Charlie 3 years

[Guest guest]

We use Sennheiser.  However, the connection did not work so only one ear played

music.

We just went to radio shack today and got a new adapter/connector.

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: [ ] The Listening Program headphones

Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 3:42 PM

Thanks,

This is the kind of input I need. We were looking at the headphones and I was

just so overwhelmed at the price tag. I am going to do some research on

headphones over the weekend.

Thanks again,

~

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Janice <jscottinterbaun (DOT) com>

@groups. com

Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 11:10:26 AM

Subject: Re: [childrensapraxiane t] The Listening Program headphones

,

When we used The Listening Program... it was the 'older' classic version. We

used the program and purchased high quality headphones separately (cost about

$100). Many parents still do this.

For the child who is nonverbal or who has severly compromised tonal processing

issues, I would spring for the new bone conduction headphones. On average, I

believe that they indicate that the new bone conduction headphones make the

program work twice as fast.

Given where Ethen seems to be; I am thinking that you could probably get away

with doing what we did; spend about $550 on the program and purchase those

headphones for about $100 more. I believe Liz found good headphones somewhere

for about $75. If you wanted, you could add on the bone conduction headphones

later for an extra $900 or so.... or like us, you may find that you don't need

them.

When you get your program; don't stop with just a couple of rotations. We used

our program continuously for about a year and a half until we were satisfied

that ALL of Marks ear issues had been normalized. Thus we used it far beyond the

time that we could 'see' improvements. .... we just continuously stimulated

those ears until everything was complete in this area.

Tonal processing, while it was a big issue for Mark; it was not the 'biggest'

issue. Sequential processing was his 'biggest' issue. Look into working with

Ethan with Digit Spans or object sequences since this was where we saw HUGE

deficits and then HUGE improvements to language when we fixed it.

Hope this gives you some feedback.

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM][childrensapr axianet] The Listening Program headphones

I have read on here where others have posted information about The Listening

Program. My

question is did you purchase the headphones and amp? I am looking at doing this

and wow

it is EXPENSIVE - but, I want to know what others have done and if it is truly

worth it.

What have your experiences been?

~

Ethan's Mom

[Guest guest]

Hi all!

Because the archives are (still) down can't find the archives on this

however below is a great article I found through Google which explains

why 'not' to buy cheaper headphones from Radio Shack as well as an

article on therapeutic listening therapy from the same author. I

still have the headphones Tanner needed and they are amazing for

flying too -they block out all the noise except for what you are

listening to (so even when listening therapy ends they come in handy!)

Perhaps look to see if you can get the Sennheiser HD500A headphones

from Ebay?

http://www.vitalsounds.com/HD500ASpecs.aspx

Again I highly recommend Vital Links -here's some of their case

studies

http://www.vitallinks.net/studies.shtml

Start of 2 articles:

Therapeutic Listening Guidelines: About Headsets, CD's And CD Players

By

The question was asked...

" Can't you just buy cheaper headphones and CD players to use with

the Therapeutic Listening Programs? I can get them for $10 or $20

instead of $60... "

Hold on ladies... before you run out and waste your money, I need to

tell you something.

The companies that manufacture and sell these prescription CD's, say

we MUST use a particular kind of headphones, and CD player, for a

good reason.

The headphones? The difference in the headphones you can buy at Radio

Shack and other retail stores, and what you need to get for your kids

is this:

Headphones have to meet specific requirements including an Impedance

of 150 Ohms, and a sensitivity/frequency range of 22,000 or 23,000 HZ

(i.e., 22 or 23 kHZ).

You can LOOK for these HIGH frequency range headphones retail, but be

SURE to make certain, (good luck!) that the frequency range is as

high as I just posted, and the Ohms at 150. If you choose NOT to use

these high range headphones, don't even bother to do the Listening

Therapy.

WHY? Because the prescription CD's have frequency ranges, clicks

and sounds built into them, it is not just " music " . These sounds are

only heard, and transmitted to the brain, through the vestibular

canal in the ear, straight to the cortex of the brain...

Lower frequency ranges cannot pick up the actual high frequency

sounds that are the most helpful part of stimulation of the brain we

need to get input to, to bring about changes in sensitivity in the

brain.

It's like... why you can't hear a dog whistle. The dog can hear

frequency ranges that humans cannot hear. The same with these

specialized headphones, the same with the brain. It CAN pick up and

respond to much higher and lower frequencies than we think... but

only if we have a " transmitter " /headphones that can hear and send

that signal range. Make sense?

Really, the Listening Therapy will be of VERY limited help to your

child, and not worth troubling with, if you don't get the full

benefit of them. MOST headphones, even nice ones, sold on the open

market, retail, have a frequency range of about 10-11,000...that's

letting your child hear less than HALF of what is incorporated into

that CD to help your child. ASK when you go and price them and MAKE

SURE you get the right kind!

The CD's themselves? Same deal. You CAN copy them, but what are you

copying? Half of it, in terms of frequency! Our own OT considered

copying them, and realized she couldn't copy that high, EXTREMELY

high, of a frequency range on anything but specialized equipment.

Maybe you know someone with a recording studio??? That might work, if

they have the proper equipment.

The CD player specifications: THIS you can buy at KMart, Radio Shack

or WalMart... but it must have the following features:

random play

ability to turn BASS OFF

and a hold button to lock down the volume

The volume should be set and held at 45-55dB (decibels).

Conversational speech is about 70 decibels, so you can see it needs

to be lower than ordinary speech. Too loud can be harmful, so there

is a need to be able to lock down that volume.

I really hate to burst any enthusiasm. This IS a wonderful program,

and if your therapist does not already KNOW these rules, please

inform her! The cheapest ones retail at about $65 on the headphones

(from www.vitallinks.net, IF you have the course completion number

from your Listening Therapy provider, AND contact them directly.).

You MAY be able to get them even cheaper on Ebay, or purchasing them

from another parent, or your OT. Some OT's will take payments.

ASK your OT about a " Lending Library " . I started one at our OT, and

it's working well. Each parent only purchases one CD, and when

finished with it, donates it to the clinic, which then allows the

parents to borrow for free all the other CD's they need. Major

savings.

Again, this program is so very beneficial to many children, mine

included, but there are strict guidelines to follow and cautions to

watch out for, when you do it.

It's just too important NOT to tell you the truth of it, and let you

waste your time and money...all the while not actually helping your

child.

But know that the Therapeutic Listening Programs ARE incredibly

valuable to our SPD kids. ( Click here for more information about

the program )

http://www.sensory-processing-disorder.com/therapeutic-listening-guidelines.html

Therapeutic Listening

By

Listening is a function of the entire brain and goes well beyond

stimulating the auditory system. We listen with our whole body. In

order to fully address listening difficulties one must also attend to

the listening functions of both the hearing ear and the body ear.

One such approach that addresses the multiple facets of listening is

Therapeutic Listening [Listening With the Whole Body]. The main idea

is to emphasize integration of the auditory and vestibular systems

together. Since there is such a close connection with visual

functioning, visual processing also will likely improve. Particularly

spatial awareness, and the concept of time and space. [Eichelberger,

2002]

When a Therapeutic Listening program is being implemented, as with

all interventions based on the principles of Sensory Integration, a

therapist relies on the client's cues to determine appropriate

strategies [Kimball, 1993]. A child may be very active while

listening, working on suspended equipment, and three-dimensional

surfaces, which further challenge postural organization, motor

planning, and higher-level sensory integration skills. The use of

sound and music is so intimately connected to movement that children

on listening programs are often compelled to move and explore the

environment in new ways [Listening With the Whole Body]

It appears that sound stimulation alone facilitates the process of

listening and social engagement [Porges, 1997]. However, to maintain

and expand on those changes it is critical to engage the child in

functionally and developmentally relevant activities that allows the

changes to become a part of daily life skills [Listening With the

Whole Body].

The equipment required for listening therapy are headphones that meet

specific requirements, a CD player with special features, and CD's

that are electronically altered, based on the ideas and the

technology created by Alfred Tomatis, Guy Beard, and Ingo Steinbach.

Depending on the child's treatment goals, the therapist will

determine which music, modulation, and activities best suit the

child.

When used in conjunction with Sensory Integration Therapy,

improvement is usually seen in:

alertness, attention, and focus

receptive and expressive language, including articulation

balance and motor planning

affect and emotional responsivity

self-motivation

awareness of the environment

postural security

spatial awareness

initiation of play behavior

initiation of verbal interaction

modulation of sleeping, eating, toileting, alertness, emotional

stability [Eichelberger]

What does all this mean, you might ask? Sensory Integration Therapy

is enhanced, it works better. The treatment is addressing more

issues, and stimulating more senses. Results are usually seen earlier

than without the Listening Program.

In my personal experience, with my own boy utilizing Listening

Therapy, I saw almost immediate and dramatic changes. I noticed

regulation of his internal organs. He suddenly had a normal appetite,

and began eating full meals, instead of " picking " through the day.

His bowel movements became regular. He stopped wetting himself. For

the first time in his four and a half years he began sleeping through

the night.

His art became focused and complete, not random scribbles. He began

hearing letter sounds that he had not heard before. He became calmer,

attentive, and alert. His balance improved. His thinking and planning

increased. He could plan a project or task, think it through, and

complete it without frustration.

Typically, a child listens to music for two-thirty minute sessions

each day. This became a wonderful opportunity for us to interact at

home. We worked on projects, letters, writing, building sets,

coordination, and numbers. He loved dancing and singing with the

music. I could see that it enhanced his ongoing therapy.

It was also very helpful to us to use the Therapeutic Listening Home

Program Chart. With a few words written each day we were able to

track his progress, and see changes. Over a period of weeks we could

already see the benefits. Talk to your child's therapist to see if

this program could be of benefit to your child.

IMPORTANT!! Before buying any CD's, headphones, or CD players for

this program, make sure you read the " Therapeutic Listening

Guidelines " .

http://www.sensory-processing-disorder.com/therapeutic-listening.html

______________________________________________________________

About the Author:

is the mother of six, and parent of a child with a

Sensory Processing Disorder. She is whole heartedly dedicated to

promoting awareness and advocacy for families with SPD children. She

has published over 30 articles supporting and educating parents about

SPD. Additionally, is the International Administrator of

SPD Parent S.H.A.R.E. and owner of the support group SID-

DSI_AllAboutKids.

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,

Here is a link to various headphones that work......

http://www.nacdbookstore.com/index.php?

cPath=25_38 & osCsid=2c62f71b25d59c52957a8667a8303298

We bought ours at the local Sony Store!

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM]Re: [ ] The Listening Program headphones

Thanks,

This is the kind of input I need. We were looking at the headphones and I was

just so overwhelmed at the price tag. I am going to do some research on

headphones over the weekend.

Thanks again,

~

[Guest guest]

,

 

Would you be able to share with us how " Therapeutic Listening " helped your son?

 

Thank you very much,

 

From: debjward <debjward@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: The Listening Program headphones

Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 4:27 PM

I purchased the headphones and two modified CDs and my son did not

benefit from it at all other than he went from wearing the headphones

from 2 minutes to 30 minutes!! We used the program through my son's

OT for ten months. My son listened every day and his sleep, speech,

behavior, and appetite was not affected at all.

>

> Thank you! I will look into this.

>

> ~

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: kiddietalk <kiddietalk@ ...>

> @groups. com

> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:42:01 PM

> Subject: [childrensapraxiane t] Re: The Listening Program headphones

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> We used Vital Links Therapeutic Listening® and I did find it to be

SO

> worth it. If you go for this therapy it's even more money and once

> you own the headphones and CDs you can use it as long as you want.

> One thing I remember is that you can't let them use it while

watching

> TV or using the computer. Other than that they can use it while

> talking, during therapy, while eating or playing. The music should

> be soft enough that it's just background for them. You have to

order

> the discs through a certified professional who is able to determine

> the right discs for your particular child. For Tanner we got this

> through Tanner's SLP at that time Ortega.

>

> This is another one that we have much on in the archives we can't

get

> to right now -but there are a number of types of listening therapy.

> Here's the link to Vital Links for now!

> http://www.vitallin ks.net/parentinf o.shtml

>

> =====

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