Potty Training

[Guest guest]

Don't know why my post got cut off, but the book is called Potty Training in

a Day by Dr.'s Azrin and Fox.

Potty Training

>

> Missed the original post, but caught a subject line. I potty trained my

> son in 2 days. He was 2 and 7 or 8 mo. old. He was diagnosed

> severe/moderate autistic, but this was even 4 mo. before his evaluations.

> He had no, absolutely no language skills, and he was at the height of his

> medical and behavioral issues. We had just begun the GFCF diet, and gotten

> his sleep patterns back to normal. Suspecting something was

> developmentally wrong with my son ( GFCF diet allowed him to have his

> first bowel movements that weren't diarrhea in his life), I bought a book

> by Dr.'s Azrin and Fox, called Potty Training in a Day for the mentally

> retarded. It worked perfectly. I had to wait for the 4 developmental

> markers, but when ph acquired the last skill ( had to be able to leave

> what he was engaged in and pick up something I had requested of him) I

> bought all the materials and informed my husband of the plan. It took

> literally all day and night, was messy, difficult not to talk to your

> spouse, but

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I did a search for the book you used. I can't find it anywhere

online. I've seen the Potty Training in a Day book, but not the one

that mentions using the method for impaired children. I would love to

find a copy. Can you suggest anything?

Thanks,

Deni

" I bought a book by Dr.'s Azrin and Fox, called Potty Training in a

Day for the mentally retarded. It worked perfectly. "

[Guest guest]

Deni,

I recommend this book:

http://www.beyondplay.com/ITEMS/W129.HTM

On Apr 13, 2005, at 5:18 PM, deni_co2002 wrote:

>

>

> Hi,

>

> I did a search for the book you used. I can't find it anywhere

> online. I've seen the Potty Training in a Day book, but not the one

> that mentions using the method for impaired children. I would love to

> find a copy. Can you suggest anything?

>

> Thanks,

> Deni

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . I have it :0) It is good. I was just looking to add

to my " repertoir " of potentially successful ideas. I've cleaned (or

tried very hard to do so) more poop out of my carpets, bedding, and

mattresses in the last week to rip my hair out. The last time we

tried to train didn't go well at all. I'm grasping at straws.

Thanks again,

Deni

[Guest guest]

Deni,

Do you have Joanne s' book? I just read it and think it's great.

On Apr 14, 2005, at 6:11 AM, deni_co2002 wrote:

>

>

> Thanks, . I have it :0) It is good. I was just looking to add

> to my " repertoir " of potentially successful ideas. I've cleaned (or

> tried very hard to do so) more poop out of my carpets, bedding, and

> mattresses in the last week to rip my hair out. The last time we

> tried to train didn't go well at all. I'm grasping at straws.

>

> Thanks again,

> Deni

>

[Guest guest]

Ok, my girl is 4 and has been potty trained since age 2 1/2, DAYTIME ONLY.

Any ideas on getting her to get up and potty at night? I have mattress pads

on all beds in the house, cause u never know what bed she will sneak into.

But they dont always hold all the wetness and I cant afford to be buying new

mattresses every year. BTW using woolite oxyclean I believe its called (ran

out yesterday and threw out the bottle so I cant check the exact name, its in

the blue bottle and I believe its for spots on furniture) it works pretty good

if u take a wet towel and try to dilate the spot on the mattress first then

spray it down with the woolite cleaner. The smell sure disappears but the

thought and I am sure urine is still there. Sorry to be yucky... but this is

something we are having a hard time with.

I try to get her up before I go to bed to potty, normally she doesn't wanna

wake up enough to go but will sit there for about 45 seconds. And after like

around 7:30pm I dont get her anything to drink except 2oz of dilated milk at

night time. Pull ups are being worn but shes wets them gets up takes them

off and goes back to sleep and pees either more or again later on.

Thanks!

*~*~*~*~*~*

Lena

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[Guest guest]

This problem is often due to the fact that the nerve that keeps the bladder

closed goes to sleep in young children. It is a maturity issue and

something she will probably outgrow. There are medicines you can take - -

have a friend who has a 7 year old girl who still wets and they use it with

good results. Don't know what it is called though - can ask if no one else

knows. I'm not sure a doctor would prescribe it for a 4 year old though.

Wetting is very common at night at that age - more with boys but with some

girls too.

Some herbs that strengthen the bladder and kidneys might help - not sure.

Parsley, juniper berries and such.

As far as I know you are trying everything there is to try. I take it you

can't get her to wear a diaper at night? That has been my solution as both

my boys wet until 4 1/2 or so. This problem seems to be worse in the

winter months as the children don't sweat as much in the winter - at least

in my neck of the woods where we have hot summers. I would imagine that you

may see an end to the problem during summer if you live in an area that is

hot enough.

Regards

AJ

Ok, my girl is 4 and has been potty trained since age 2 1/2, DAYTIME ONLY.

Any ideas on getting her to get up and potty at night?

[Guest guest]

She takes a diaper off, too easily that's why I switched to pull ups at

night. Last night I left the light on in the bathroom and not sure if she got

up

and went potty or just held it but her pull up was dry this morning. Which

on a Monday morning I am not a happy camper but I put on my proud face and

did the DRY PULL UPS DANCE!

*~*~*~*~*~*

Lena

*~*~*~*~*~*

[Guest guest]

We do that dance too!! Congrats!

cbfllady@... wrote:

She takes a diaper off, too easily that's why I switched to pull ups at

night. Last night I left the light on in the bathroom and not sure if she got

up

and went potty or just held it but her pull up was dry this morning. Which

on a Monday morning I am not a happy camper but I put on my proud face and

did the DRY PULL UPS DANCE!

*~*~*~*~*~*

Lena

*~*~*~*~*~*

[Guest guest]

I can so relate to this issue. My son was 4 years and

3 months when he finally decided that its a good idea

to sit on the potty. What was different was that he

would take my wife for granted. We let his grandma try

it once or twice and then suddenly it clicked to him.

What she did was that she picked her favorite

character Barney as an example. She would say,

" Listen, even Barney does potty on the toilet! " I

think eventually he got it. Since then he has not had

an accident even once.

--- tanabby2000 <tanabby2000@...> wrote:

> Okay, I'm almost afraid to ask...does anyone have

> any helpful hints on

> potty training? Tanner has no interest at all,

> could care less about

> stickers, stamps, or other rewards. Even asking him

> every hour

> doesn't help. He KNOWS what to do and does it when

> he feels like it

> but as with most things we are lacking in

> consistency. He's about to

> outgrow the largest size of diapers and honestly,

> this is one expense

> I'd like to cut back on now that I stay home

> full-time. From what

> I've heard in the past I know that this is a

> struggle for several

> families so I thought this would be the place to

> check...the

> professionals at school have run out of ideas!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Arrrggg...I feel your pain... is about to go into size 6 diapers and

point blank refuses to even sit on the potty (and I know he can withhold bc he

will go as soon as I put his diaper back on) I have even tried putting the darn

thing in front of the TV. The only thing I can say is just try to stick with it

but don't force the issue...I did actually finally get him to make a poo but he

was so hysterical about it I'm not sure if it was even a victory...I was

cheering and clapping and telling him what a great job he did but he was shaking

and crying. (at least the screaming had subsided) Sorry I'm not trying to scare

you, but maybe we can help each other! The only thing I have ever heard that

works is positive reinforcement and treats when they go. Good luck.

tanabby2000 <tanabby2000@...> wrote:

Okay, I'm almost afraid to ask...does anyone have any helpful hints on

potty training? Tanner has no interest at all, could care less about

stickers, stamps, or other rewards. Even asking him every hour

doesn't help. He KNOWS what to do and does it when he feels like it

but as with most things we are lacking in consistency. He's about to

outgrow the largest size of diapers and honestly, this is one expense

I'd like to cut back on now that I stay home full-time. From what

I've heard in the past I know that this is a struggle for several

families so I thought this would be the place to check...the

professionals at school have run out of ideas!

[Guest guest]

,

We didn't know our son was AS until this past winter (he's 9). At age 3 1/2

I was getting real tired of diapers since he was a twin and they were both

still in diapers. I finally just went out and bought them underwear with

their favorite character on it and came home from work one day and told them

I was tired of diapers and that we were through with them. I told them I

didn't think Sponge bob wanted messed on and although I didn't think there

was a chance it would work it did. We had a few accidents but I was shocked.

I kept them in pull ups for a couple more months at bed time but then that

was it. My one twin does have accidents at night if we let him have pop

with dinner so we try to limit that to only special occasions.

Suzanne

-- ( ) Potty Training

Okay, I'm almost afraid to ask...does anyone have any helpful hints on

potty training? Tanner has no interest at all, could care less about

stickers, stamps, or other rewards. Even asking him every hour

doesn't help. He KNOWS what to do and does it when he feels like it

but as with most things we are lacking in consistency. He's about to

outgrow the largest size of diapers and honestly, this is one expense

I'd like to cut back on now that I stay home full-time. From what

I've heard in the past I know that this is a struggle for several

families so I thought this would be the place to check...the

professionals at school have run out of ideas!

[Guest guest]

1st, a great big THANK YOU to everyone who responded to my nicholas

and emma delemia...lol....we are still working on it but he is doing

alot better.

as far as potty training goes, nicholas was not at all intrested in

it, but i had him wear only undies in the house. then we worked up

to going out to church or to a resturant and shopping ect ect. one

thing i would do is where ever i would go, we would go visit the

potty first thing, so he knew where it was and was not scared of it.

to this day, he stops in the bathroom at church before going to kids

class...lol

nicholas will be 6 this month (may) and he wears good nights (we

call them pull ups) to bed every night. he is totally unable to get

up at night, and i refuse to stress over it. i think a good nights

sleep is more important.

nicholas still has accidents, and half the time he doesn't even feel

when his pants are wet and even when someone points them out, unless

they tell him to go change, he will just continue with what he was

doing. so needless to say, it takes the work of all the adults

involed to all work together.

but i found the more i stressed over it, the more he sensed that and

the further away he pushed it. when i just laid down the law, he

went with it. now at first, u may have to do alot of laundry, but

use a timer( we just use the one on our microwave) and when it goes

off, he has to go. like when nicholas gets home from school, i tell

him, " go to the potty so i can start your timer " and i set it for an

hr at a time. you may have to adjust the time to what you think it

right for your kids, but it works. when nicholas is having a

particularly hard time at school, the teachers use a timer with him

there also. but they are VERY good about not letting him get picked

on or pointed out.

but anyway, laying down the law, using a timer, and just being cool

about it helped us here.

and p.s.- don't worry about what anyone else says, i get crap from

most of my family and my husbands side also becouse nicholas has

accidents, but i refuse to feel bad, or let nicholas feel bad. i

just them " nicholas is nicholas, he is doing just fine " .

happy potty training and good luck!!

kerry

[Guest guest]

>

and p.s.- don't worry about what anyone else says, i get crap from

> most of my family and my husbands side also becouse nicholas has

> accidents, but i refuse to feel bad, or let nicholas feel bad. i

> just them " nicholas is nicholas, he is doing just fine " .

>

GOOD FOR YOU!!! I'm appalled that family would do this to you, and a

child with aspergers. I'm with you all the way babe.

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

My son was almost 4 before he trained. I hadn't been very successful

in setting up play dates for him, so he thought it would be nice to go

to preschool and play with kids. But the preschool wouldn't let him

in as long as he was in diapers. When I explained this to him --

diapers=no kids, he was trained in one week. Nothing else prior to

this worked.

My son's 12 now. And that is the story of our life -- finding out

what motivates him to do something he doesn't want to do.

Good luck!

C

[Guest guest]

Subject: ( ) Potty Training

Okay, I'm almost afraid to ask...does anyone have any helpful hints on

potty training? Tanner has no interest at all, could care less about

stickers, stamps, or other rewards. Even asking him every hour

doesn't help. He KNOWS what to do and does it when he feels like it

but as with most things we are lacking in consistency. He's about to

outgrow the largest size of diapers and honestly, this is one expense

I'd like to cut back on now that I stay home full-time. From what

I've heard in the past I know that this is a struggle for several

families so I thought this would be the place to check...the

professionals at school have run out of ideas!

I would switch out of diapers to regular undies or those training undies

that are thicker cloth. Let him experience the mess a few times and he may

get the hint. And buy undies that have characters on them that he likes.

Another idea is to use a reward that is worthwhile to him. Stickers are

sometimes not interesting but what is interesting to him? If he is into

the Tank Engine, then supply those type " prizes " for going. If he is

into video games, give him pieces of a ticket to get a video rental and once

he completes it, off you go to pick it out. Or heck, he may even respond to

foods - candies or gum? Some kids will work for a sucker. Ever see the

kids go crazy at the dentist office when they get to pick out a prize from

the prize box? It's just penny plastic stuff but they love it. You might

fill a prize box with things he would be interested in and tell him each

time he goes, he gets a pick. Fill it with candies and little slimy sticky

hands and such. Lol.

Another idea is just to appeal to his " smartness. " Sometimes the kids will

do things because they like being smart. I was able to get the boys trained

by always saying during accidents, " I just know when you are a big boy, you

will be able to put your pee pee in the potty. " Or " You are so smart, I

know you will work harder to remember to go next time! " I even made a short

book up for my younger ds about being a big boy. It was simple - " Reece is

a big boy now! " and then I had photo's of all the things he could do,

including sleep in his own bed and use the potty. So it was like a social

story to reinforce throughout the day.

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

I know this sounds CRAZY, but I couldn't get my twins to use the potty

either but they loved tee teeing off the back porch so I would let them

do that. Yes, we lived in the country at the time. But they delighted in

spraying my bushes and at least they quit using their pull-ups. After

that we moved to the city and I told them they would have to use the

potty or we could get in trouble if someone saw them tinkling outside. I

set their potty by the sliding glass door and they could look outside

and still tinkle. Crazy but it worked for us! Putting cheerios in the

potty for them to hit and rewards didn't work but for them going outside

was the trick. How many little boys do you know that don't like to

tinkle outside.? When they were younger if we were traveling and stopped

at a restroom and it had toilet paper or papertowels on the floor they

would not use that bathroom, it had to be a clean one! They always

checked the fast food places health score too. I'm talking about 5 years

old. Checking out the restaraunt scores... Just a cute little quirk... Toni

Roxanna wrote:

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> Subject: ( ) Potty Training

>

> Okay, I'm almost afraid to ask...does anyone have any helpful hints on

> potty training? Tanner has no interest at all, could care less about

> stickers, stamps, or other rewards. Even asking him every hour

> doesn't help. He KNOWS what to do and does it when he feels like it

> but as with most things we are lacking in consistency. He's about to

> outgrow the largest size of diapers and honestly, this is one expense

> I'd like to cut back on now that I stay home full-time. From what

> I've heard in the past I know that this is a struggle for several

> families so I thought this would be the place to check...the

> professionals at school have run out of ideas!

>

>

>

>

> I would switch out of diapers to regular undies or those training undies

> that are thicker cloth. Let him experience the mess a few times and

> he may

> get the hint. And buy undies that have characters on them that he likes.

>

> Another idea is to use a reward that is worthwhile to him. Stickers are

> sometimes not interesting but what is interesting to him? If he is into

> the Tank Engine, then supply those type " prizes " for going. If

> he is

> into video games, give him pieces of a ticket to get a video rental

> and once

> he completes it, off you go to pick it out. Or heck, he may even

> respond to

> foods - candies or gum? Some kids will work for a sucker. Ever see the

> kids go crazy at the dentist office when they get to pick out a prize from

> the prize box? It's just penny plastic stuff but they love it. You might

> fill a prize box with things he would be interested in and tell him each

> time he goes, he gets a pick. Fill it with candies and little slimy

> sticky

> hands and such. Lol.

>

> Another idea is just to appeal to his " smartness. " Sometimes the kids

> will

> do things because they like being smart. I was able to get the boys

> trained

> by always saying during accidents, " I just know when you are a big

> boy, you

> will be able to put your pee pee in the potty. " Or " You are so smart, I

> know you will work harder to remember to go next time! " I even made a

> short

> book up for my younger ds about being a big boy. It was simple -

> " Reece is

> a big boy now! " and then I had photo's of all the things he could do,

> including sleep in his own bed and use the potty. So it was like a social

> story to reinforce throughout the day.

>

> Roxanna

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Well, I've been there and done that, as they say! My son is pretty

high functioning, but he would not (not could not, but WOULD not) poop

in the toilet until 2 days before his 9th birthday. Talk about

frustrating! What finally worked for us was rewarding his NT sister,

who potty trained herself at age 2 1/2. She was 7 when we did this,

but was more than willing to work with us for her brother's sake.

Before that, we tried EVERYTHING!! At one point, I had him sitting on

the toilet for about 45 minutes, he was crying, I was crying, he

hadn't pooped in 6 days, he had to go so bad, but for whatever reason

wouldn't in the toilet. So, at that point (he was about 6yo), I caved

in and bought some Good-Nites (store brand doesn't work as well). I

had let this whole thing take over our lives, and I vowed never to do

that again. When we felt he was ready, we started the whole rewarding

his sibling thing, and it worked. I really think timing was

everything. When he was younger, he would not have noticed or cared

what we did with his sister. We actually had a potty party when he

finally did it! After waiting for all those years, why not? Good

luck!

-

[Guest guest]

I'm starting the process now too and attended a workshop recently on

potty training. I've found this link to be very helpful.

http://www.autismlink.com/info/potty_training.php

Just a few suggestions based on what you've said here. You might want

to take him more frequently than 40 minutes so that you get a better

sense of when he goes. It may be helpful to keep a chart of his

patterns for a day or two to figure out when and how often to take

him. Also, be sure not to make him feel bad or anxious about

accidents. Experts say to keep it positive. Do you give rewards for

actual success like a special treat (one that he gets only with potty

sucess)?

What made you begin the potty training at this time- what signs of

readiness was he showing? Did he show discomfort when soiled diapers

from poop? I'm going to start now since my daughter is finally

showing that she's very uncomfortable in soiled pants now and will

yell until she gets changed. She sometimes will say pee-pee and tug

at her diaper too which tells me that she's ready. I just bought a

potty and look forward to the process (not!) of potty training!

Hope this helps!

>

> Hi,

>

> This is a request for advice from those who have alrady gone thru

> potty training an autistic child. My son is 3 1/2 years old. I have

> been potty training him intensively for two weeks now but he still

> does not self-initiate or hold it until I take him every 40

minutes.

> He does not mind being wet at all. Do you have any suggestions/tips?

>

> Thanks in advance,

> Amal

>

[Guest guest]

Hello, My 10 year old became bm trained after much research on

neurotransmitters- I was convinced he was not getting the message. It

was a little while after starting 5-HTP and I was reading the book the

Second Brain, he had been on enzymes for awhile, researching pH ,ect,

ect. I wonder if your child can pucker to give a kiss or if the lips

just stay flat like my sons? My son sounds just like your son... he is

still having issues with the beginning and the end of the digestive

track. Here are some links you may start to find the answers at.

http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/introb.html

http://www.aikidoaus.com.au/dojo/docs/2nd_braina.htm

https://www.neurorelief.com/

http://www.enzymestuff.com/serotonin.htm

http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/food-allergy.html#IgE

My 2 cents Ann

[Guest guest]

>

> I have an 8yo child he is described as " not exactly autistic " even tho

> we have the diagnosis. He is daytime trained (this happened at 3yo)

> He has never bm'd in the potty. He has night time wetness so we use

> Good Nites. I am getting ready to start NCD and really want to help

> him with the bm's and with nighttime wetness. He didn't get his Good

> Nites on last night and he came in my bed very wet, then woke this

> morning stood up and pee'd on the floor. Someone please help!

I have links here

http://www.danasview.net/parent2.htm#potty

Dana

[Guest guest]

I have a 3 year old that I'm having the same problems with. She will

tell me at times that she's " Stinky " or will come up and whine and

pull at her diaper so I know she's wet. I still haven't figured out

how. I will say we switched to cloth diapers so that saved $$. Good

luck if you figure out a way. Let me know.

>

> Okay, I'm almost afraid to ask...does anyone have any helpful

hints on

> potty training? Tanner has no interest at all, could care less

about

> stickers, stamps, or other rewards. Even asking him every hour

> doesn't help. He KNOWS what to do and does it when he feels like

it

> but as with most things we are lacking in consistency. He's about

to

> outgrow the largest size of diapers and honestly, this is one

expense

> I'd like to cut back on now that I stay home full-time. From what

> I've heard in the past I know that this is a struggle for several

> families so I thought this would be the place to check...the

> professionals at school have run out of ideas!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Amie, my son was 5 years before he was potty trined! I feel for you! He did and still does hold his bowels. His bottom will bleed fro mmaking himself constipated. When i see that hes got a sore botton I givehim pickles and black olives! He loves them and they loosen him up so I just let him eat as much as it takes for him to go!! it's frustrating cause they can't tell you!! When it finally happened I was told to take the goodnights(pull ups)away. when he was told no more diapers then he just started to go potty. It was an exciting experience for him and us! Let me know how it goes!!!! Hang in there! AprilAmie <amiedawn1@...> wrote: Did anyone experience more difficulties in potty training your HFA/ASD children? Does it take longer or are there any tricks that you used that worked well in regards to sensory children?I have been trying with my daughter for a year now, and each time I think we are getting close she starts holding in her bowel movements and refusing to go to the bathroom so I have to back off until that cycle ends. Very frustrating, and the only advice I have from the pediatrician is to "not push it", give her Apricot nectar and "P" fruits (Peach, pear, prune, etc) and not to worry as this is a phase that will pass. How long of a phase can it be!-Amie

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[Guest guest]

My daughter is 5 1/2 now and has been potty trained for a year. She

had severe sensory issues and withheld BM. I did a few things to

finally get her potty trained: most sensory issues decreased once she

was no longer eating dairy and gluten (milk constipated her also); and

I made the bathroom warmer with bath rugs and towels hanging

everywhere. Once she was no longer constipated and agreed to sit on

the toilet, I handed her a reward (Teletubby doll) and told her she

could keep it if she went in the toilet. I had a different reward for

BM. Also I started with a smaller reward for going pee or poop in her

pull up while sitting on the toilet.

Jen

>

> Did anyone experience more difficulties in potty training your HFA/ASD

> children? Does it take longer or are there any tricks that you used

> that worked well in regards to sensory children?

> I have been trying with my daughter for a year now, and each time I

> think we are getting close she starts holding in her bowel movements

> and refusing to go to the bathroom so I have to back off until that

> cycle ends. Very frustrating, and the only advice I have from the

> pediatrician is to " not push it " , give her Apricot nectar and " P "

> fruits (Peach, pear, prune, etc) and not to worry as this is a phase

> that will pass. How long of a phase can it be!

> -Amie

>

[Guest guest]

I am right there with you....finally our 3.5 yo Aspie has started to initiate potty training....slowly....

One Day :-)

- C.A.E.P.Mom to Cassie 16 PCOS, Austin 14 ADHD and a 3.5 HFA/AS & SPD/SID

( ) Potty Training

Did anyone experience more difficulties in potty training your HFA/ASD children? Does it take longer or are there any tricks that you used that worked well in regards to sensory children?I have been trying with my daughter for a year now, and each time I think we are getting close she starts holding in her bowel movements and refusing to go to the bathroom so I have to back off until that cycle ends. Very frustrating, and the only advice I have from the pediatrician is to "not push it", give her Apricot nectar and "P" fruits (Peach, pear, prune, etc) and not to worry as this is a phase that will pass. How long of a phase can it be!-Amie