Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 wow! I just read 's research page and searched for more myself...this is from Dr. Weil...as follows...and read the last lines of what he says!!!!!!!!!!! fish oils! nothing beats fish oils. I dunno, I think the fact that it smells like gasoline, scares me. Best wishes to all of you who are using this and the other drug along with it. may you be safe and your kids excel!!! Q Looking for a Brain Boost from Piracetam? What do you think of a supplement called piracetam, considered to be a brain nutrient? It has been used in Europe for decades. A Answer (Published 3/20/2007) Piracetam is a so-called " smart drug " or " nootropic " (mind-turning) agent loved by some students and life-extension types, but their use is generally discouraged by mainstream experts on brain function. Piracetam is said to improve learning and memory and boost concentration without causing toxicity, even at high doses. Enthusiasts claim that piracetam " wakes up " the brain. Related Weil Products Dr. Weil's Vitamin Advisor for Depression - Left unchecked, mild depression can become debilitating. The good news: proper diet, lifestyle and supplements can be beneficial. Learn more, and get your free, personalized Dr. Weil's Vitamin Advisor Recommendation today. I doubt it. I can tell you that piracetam is not a recognized brain nutrient and that there's not much scientific evidence to support the claims made for it. I am aware that it is available by prescription in Europe but that doesn't mean that piracetam is effective. You can't buy it over-the-counter in the United States either – you have to order it by mail or get it in Mexico. We don't know much about how piracetam and other smart drugs work, although they might affect nerve pathways in the brain that use acetylcholine, a neurotransmitter believed to play an important role in learning and memory. Another smart drug, Hydergine, is marketed as a nonspecific cerebral stimulant, and is prescribed to help relieve symptoms of age-related mental decline. It is available in the United States, and the same people who talk up piracetam often recommend it for enhancing mental abilities and intelligence. advertisement I tried hydergine myself some years ago to see what it could do, but I detected no benefits. While the drug seems safe enough, I don't see the point of using it - especially since it's expensive. I haven't seen any evidence that it lives up to the many claims made for it. If you're tempted to try any of the smart drugs, you should be aware that none has been evaluated for long-term use. Your best bet for keeping your mind and memory nimble is to take on new mental challenges. The best mental workouts I know are learning a new computer operating system and learning a new language. Tackling a new operating system is exactly the type of task needed to force change in the brain's neural network so that it will stay flexible and young. Learning a language draws on " fluid intelligence, " the ability to stay focused and to manage attention while ignoring irrelevant information. Fluid intelligence is one of the first aspects of brain function affected by age. As for things to take to improve brain function, nothing beats supplemental fish oil in doses of 1 to 2 grams a day. Most people in our part of the world are deficient in omega-3 fatty acids, and that impacts mental and emotional health adversely. Look for a product that provides both EPA and DHA in a ratio of about 3-4 to 1. Weil, M.D. > > 2 articles about this drug...did those of you that give this stuff to > your kids know that you can't just stop it -you have to reduce a drop > at a time -and that there may be changes in dosages around the dates > of a flight?! I'm sure there's much more out there on this stuff or > what Dr. Leshin calls " a drug in search of a disease. " > > Piracetam and Down syndrome > Summary by Len Leshin, MD, FAAP > > Piracetam is what I refer to as " a drug in search of a disease. " A > best-selling drug in Europe and Japan, a large portion of sales is to > normal adults looking for cognitive enhancement. It is not a drug of > first choice for any disease process yet, though current research is > looking into myoclonus, sickle cell disease, stroke and Raynaud > syndrome. > > Piracetam became a controversial topic in the mid-1990s when a > parent group began advocating its use for Down syndrome. There was > notable publicity due to two ABC news shows about it and internet > advocacy on the part of the parent group. However, the company > licensing it, UCB Pharma in Belgium, has discouraged its use in > children with Down syndrome. In July 1998, UCB Pharma specifically > denied all rumors that it will fund or has plans to fund any study > with children with Down syndrome in the United States or elsewhere. > Many advocates of its use in Down syndrome claim that UCB Pharma's > reluctance stems more from economic motives than scientific; however, > UCB Pharma has obtained " orphan drug " status for piracetam in the US, > and is currently planning a controlled trial of piracetam and > myoclonus in the US. If given approval by the FDA for myoclonus, UCB > Pharma would have several years of exclusivity of the drug in the > US. > > I have listed below the studies that involve children with Down > syndrome. I have a separate page for other research on piracetam. > > Lobaugh NJ et al. Piracetam does not enhance cognitive abilities in > moderate to high-functioning 7 to 13 year-old children with Down > syndrome. Presented at the PAS/SPR meeting in San Francisco May 3, > 1999; published in Archives of Ped and Adol Med, April 2001, 155 > (4):442-448. > > " Piracetam, a drug reported to enhance cognitive performance in many > neurobehavioural conditions, has become popular in the treatment of > children with Down Syndrome (DS). However, reports of its efficacy in > DS have been anecdotal, not from evidence-based studies. Some > caregivers have noted no effect of piracetam, while others claim > substantial improvement in cognitive functioning. To address the need > for objective analysis, we conducted a double-blind placebo- > controlled crossover study assessing the cognitive and behavioral > effects of piracetam in children with DS. Patients and Study Design. > Children with DS (n = 25, 13 males, 6.5 - 13 yrs) and their parents > participated. The first phase of the study was a baseline cognitive > assessment. Children were then randomly assigned to one of two four- > month treatment arms: Piracetam. Placebo or Placebo. Piracetam. > Children were retested at the end of the two treatment phases. > Children received 80-100 mg/kg piracetam per day in capsules. Placebo > was administered in the same manner. Test Battery. The test battery > included 16 tasks assessing attention, learning, memory, verbal > fluency, perceptual and spatial abilities, processing speed, fine > motor skills, and executive function. Both standardized and > experimental tasks were included. Secondary outcome measures were > questionnaires completed by parents and teachers at each of the three > phases. Results. Eighteen children (7 - 13 yrs) completed the study, > 5 withdrew, and 2 could not complete the battery at baseline testing. > The mean mental age for the final sample was 4.2 ± .7 years (Stanford > Binet). The 16 tasks yielded 75 measures and the parent and teacher > questionnaires had 80 and 24 items, respectively. Piracetam did not > show significant effects over placebo on any outcome measure. All > significant interactions (p's < 0.05) with drug order or the > covariate were examined further to ensure drug effects were not being > masked. That analysis did not alter the results. Piracetam > administration was associated with CNS stimulatory effects: > aggressiveness (n=4), agitation (n =3), sexual arousal, (including > masturbation in public, n=2), irritability (n=1), and poor sleep > (n=1). Conclusion. Piracetam has received a great deal of attention > in the popular press purporting its efficacy in improving cognitive > function in children with Down Syndrome. In this study, we were > unable to substantiate these claims, even at doses associated with > adverse effects. Neither cognitive nor behavioural measures > demonstrated improvement under piracetam. Due to the serious adverse > effects, it is unlikely that larger doses can be tolerated. " > ©1999 Pediatric Academic Societies > > Fialho J Dromia and Piracetam: a useful association in the treatment > of Down syndrome. Tempo Medico 30:944, 1977. (The original was > published in Spanish; an English version was reprinted in a book > whose specifics are unknown to me.) 26 children with DS between 3 > months and 12 years were given Dromia (mixture of pyriglutine and 5- > hydroxytryptophan) alone, and then a combination of Dromia and > Piracetam. The children were then evaluated based on their muscle > tone, motor development, mental development, speech, affective-social > development, scholastic achievement and EEG trace. The author > concludes that the combination of the two drugs caused an improvement > in all aspects, but especially speech. There were no side effects > noted. (Unfortunately, this is a terrible study. There were no > controlled subjects, the investigator does not tell how he evaluated > the above categories and does not say if the subjects, parents, or > investigators were " blinded " as to which children were getting one or > both drugs.) > > An unpublished feasibility study was conducted in 1999 at the Kennedy > Kriger Institute in Baltimore under the guidance of Dr. > Capone. Five school-aged children with DS were given piracetam and > compared to five children with DS not on piracetam. The piracetam was > given at 100 mg/kg body weight per day. After six months, the > children were assessed for auditory verbal memory, auditory non- > verbal memory, visual memory, and spatial working memory. There were > no statistically significant differences in the two groups. It should > be noted that this was a study that was set up more to prove to the > NIH that the study was doable and deserving to be funded on a large- > scale basis rather than to prove whether to not piracetam had any > measurable effects. A lack of funds kept this study from being > carried out to a point where the research could be published. > In 2002, Dr. Capone and his associates published their trial of > piracetam on trisomy mice: The effects of piracetam on cognitive > performance in a mouse model of Down's syndrome Physiology & Behavior > 77: 403-409, 2002. > > " Piracetam is a nootropic agent that has been shown to improve > cognitive performance in a number of animal model systems. Piracetam > is reported to be used widely as a means of improving cognitive > function in children with Down's syndrome (DS). In order to provide a > preclinical assessment of the potential efficacy of piracetam, we > examined the effects of a dose range of piracetam in the Ts65Dn mouse > model of DS. Ts65Dn mice are trisomic for a region of mouse > chromosome 16 with homology to human chromosome 21. Daily piracetam > treatment at doses of 0, 75, 150, and 300 mg/kg ip was initiated in 6- > week-old male Ts65Dn and euploid control mice. Following 4 weeks of > treatment, mice were tested in the visible and hidden-platform > components of the water maze and were placed overnight in > computerized activity chambers to assess effects on overall activity. > Piracetam treatment was continued through the 4 weeks of testing. In > control mice, 75 and 150 mg/kg/day piracetam improved performance in > both the visible- and hidden-platform tasks. Although low doses of > piracetam reduced search time in the visible-platform component in > Ts65Dn mice, all piracetam doses prevented trial-related improvements > in performance in Ts65Dn mice. The 300-mg/kg/day-piracetam dose was > associated with a reversal of the nocturnal spontaneous hyperactivity > in Ts65Dn. These data do not provide support for piracetam treatment > for individuals with DS. " > > Advocates of piracetam have argued that choline must also be > supplemented with piracetam to get any effect, thus explaining the > results of the Toronto and s Hopkins studies. The main basis for > this belief are the following studies: > > Bartus RT et al. Profound effects of combining choline and piracetam > on memory enhancement and cholinergic function in aged rats. > Neurobiol Aging Summer;2(2):105-11, 1981. Rats given both choline and > piracetam did better on a memory test than on choline or piracetam > alone. > > Platel A et al. Habituation of exploratory activity in mice: effects > of combinations of piracetam and choline on memory processes. > Pharmacol Biochem Behav 21(2):209-12, 1984. Mice did better on memory > of their environment with the combination of choline and piracetam > than on either separately. > > Mosharrof AH & Petkov VD. Effects of citicholine and of the > combination citicholine + piracetam on the memory. Acta Physiol > Pharmacol Bulg 16(1):25-31, 1990. Mice did better with memory > retention with the combination of citicholine and piracetam than the > compounds separately. > > Friedman E et al. Clincal Response to choline plus piracetam in > senile dementia: relation to red-cell choline levels. New Eng J Med > 1981 Jun 11; 304(24): 1490-1. This is actually a " letter " rather than > a full paper, and consisted giving 10 patients with presenile > dementia piracetam and choline for 7 days in a non-controlled study. > 3 of the 10 had " marked improvement " cognitively, but no description > of the cognitive tests or whether the testing was blinded is > mentioned. The 3 who responded had higher choline red blood cell > levels than the 7 who didn't respond. > > However, other studies show a lack of usefulness of the combination: > Ennaceur A & Delacour J. Effect of combined or separate > administration of piracetam and choline on learning and memory in the > rat. Psychopharmacology 92(1):58-67, 1987. Rats given choline alone > did better than rats given piracetam alone on memory test, and rats > given piracetam and choline together did worse than the other groups. > Growdon JH et al. Piracetam combined with lecithin in the treatment > of Alzheimer's disease. Neurobiol of Aging 7:269-276, 1986. Piracetam > was administered alone or with lecithin (phosphatidylcholine) in a > double-blinded test. No effect was seen, with or without lecithin, on > cognition or memory test scores. > > Corona GL et al. Clinical and biochemical responses to therapy in > Alzheimer's disease and multi-infarct dementia. Eur. Arch. Psychiatr. > Neurol. Sci. 239:79-86, 1989. Patients with either AD or multi- > infarct dementia were given either piracetam or piracetam with > choline. This was not paired with placebos. Despite biochemical > changes, there was no change in memory performance. > It should be noted that the maker of piracetam, UCB Pharma, has never > incorporated choline as part of any of its research on humans with > Alzhemier's disease or myoclonus. > > http://www.ds-health.com/piracet.htm > > Piracetam Frequently Asked Questions > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > Piracetam's (2-oxo-1-pyrrolidine acetamide) earliest use in Down > syndrome was in Spain and Portugal in 1974 in a comparative study, > using historic case controls, of Dromia (a 5-hydroxytryptophan > containing product) and Noostan (a brand of Piracetam) in 26 children > from age 3 months to 12 years of age (Fialho, 1977). > > Piracetam is a cyclic derivative of GABA (gamma amino butyric acid, a > neurotransmitter) and enhances cognition under conditions of hypoxia > (lack of oxygen), enhances memory and some kinds of learning in non- > disabled persons, mitigates oxidative stress, returns fluidity to > brain membranes that have undergone hardening from lipid peroxidation > and allows for increased communication between the hemispheres of the > brain. It is reported to be an intelligent booster and a CNS (central > nervous system) stimulant with no known toxicity or addictive > properties. Its effects and safety are so impressive that piracetam > prompted the creation of a new pharmaceutical category called > nootropics. > > Piracetam is available by mail overseas or by prescription in the USA > from a compounding pharmacy. > > Piracetam is not FDA approved for OTC (over the counter) sale and has > been granted an orphan status in the USA. As of June of 2006, > piracetam is not regulated in the United States (it is neither a > controlled substance nor a prescription drug). > > The Piracetam NDC code for insurance purposes is 38779017725. > > Piracetam and Seizures > > Piracetam is an anticonvulsant. There are no know medical reports > supporting the link between Piracetam and seizures. Infantile spasms > are common in Down syndrome. > > Piracetam and Coumadin > > Piracetam can cause lack of adhesion of platelets which can affect > clotting. > > When a patient is on Coumadin therapy due to valve replacement, > Coumadin levels will need to be adjusted if the patient is on > Piracetam. > > Piracetam and Surgery > > Piracetam should be doubled 72 hours prior to surgery and removed 48 > hours before the surgery is scheduled because of its blood thinning > properties. Because Piracetam increases acetylcholine receptors, it > allows the brain to handle the effects of anesthesia and cholinergic > drugs better, like atropine and scopalamine, that are given as part > of pre-operation medications. Resume Piracetam as soon as patient is > home. > > Piracetam and Flying > > Piracetam has the capability of maintaining high oxygen levels in the > brain even under periods of low oxygen stress such as flying. > Pressurized planes have periods of low partial pressure of oxygen due > to altitude. In addition, aircrafts are typically only pressurized to > the equivalent of 8,000-9,000 feet altitude, i.e., there is less > oxygen for a child that has a heart condition impairing oxygenation. > Increase Piracetam dosage by 50% the day before and the day of > flying. > > Piracetam and Phosphocholine > > Choline is necessary because one of the major effects of Piracetam is > the stimulation of increased numbers of acetylcholine receptors. > Without choline this step is inefficient and choline should be given > in conjunction with Piracetam within 8 hour timespan. A dosage of 250 > mg of phosphocholine for every 20 pounds of weight, up to 800 mg, in > conjunction with Piracetam, is recommended for persons not on > NuTriVene-D®. The dosage can be doubled for adults up to 1600 mg. > Phosphocholine, also known as Phosphatidyl Choline or Lecithin, is > available from most health food stores. > > Piracetam and Glutamate > > While glutaminergic receptors are increased in Down syndrome [Arai, > Mizuguchi, & Takashima, 1996. Excessive glutamate receptor 1 > immunoreactivity in adult Down syndrome brains. Pediatric Neurology, > 15, 203-6] there is no evidence that Piracetam stimulates > glutaminergic receptors to any great extent. Their main stimulus is > on acetylcholine receptors. > > Withdrawing Piracetam > > Do not stop any drug that has psychotropic effects abruptly: first > reduce the dose of Piracetam by half for 2 days, then drop a dose > each day, until it is eliminated. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > Source: http://www.altonweb.com/cs/downsyndrome/piracefa.html > > 1. Cognitive Enhancement Research Institute Revised: October 20, > 2006. > 2. Lawrence G. Leichtman, M.D. FAAP, FACMG. Genetics and Disabilities > Diagnostic Care Center > > http://www.altonweb.com/cs/downsyndrome/index.htm?page=piracefa.html > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Hey Krissy -or is this yet another testimony for Rock Band and/or Guitar Hero?! From Dr. Weil's article you posted below: " Tackling a new operating system is exactly the type of task needed to force change in the brain's neural network so that it will stay flexible " You can play/sing gasoline for therapy instead of eating it for therapy! ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 I don't know about who this Dr. Weil is but most of us heard about Piracetam from doctors or nutritionalists. This nootropic has been used in the medical community by prescription for a long time now and there are countless 'legitimate' studies (rather then comments by Dr. Who?) available to read at http://www.piracetam.com. The downs syndrome community has used this for a LOOONG while now with great success and the Alzheimer community is also using as well as the dementia community. I am confident that soon this nootropic will be available by prescription only because if the drug companies aren't making money off of it.... they like to steal it away! Janice [sPAM][ ] Re: Piracetam - OK got curious -some stuff I found out about it wow! I just read 's research page and searched for more myself...this is from Dr. Weil...as follows...and read the last lines of what he says!!!!!!!!!!! fish oils! nothing beats fish oils. I dunno, I think the fact that it smells like gasoline, scares me. Best wishes to all of you who are using this and the other drug along with it. may you be safe and your kids excel!!! Q Looking for a Brain Boost from Piracetam? What do you think of a supplement called piracetam, considered to be a brain nutrient? It has been used in Europe for decades. A Answer (Published 3/20/2007) Piracetam is a so-called " smart drug " or " nootropic " (mind-turning) agent loved by some students and life-extension types, but their use is generally discouraged by mainstream experts on brain function. Piracetam is said to improve learning and memory and boost concentration without causing toxicity, even at high doses. Enthusiasts claim that piracetam " wakes up " the brain. Related Weil Products Dr. Weil's Vitamin Advisor for Depression - Left unchecked, mild depression can become debilitating. The good news: proper diet, lifestyle and supplements can be beneficial. Learn more, and get your free, personalized Dr. Weil's Vitamin Advisor Recommendation today. I doubt it. I can tell you that piracetam is not a recognized brain nutrient and that there's not much scientific evidence to support the claims made for it. I am aware that it is available by prescription in Europe but that doesn't mean that piracetam is effective. You can't buy it over-the-counter in the United States either - you have to order it by mail or get it in Mexico. We don't know much about how piracetam and other smart drugs work, although they might affect nerve pathways in the brain that use acetylcholine, a neurotransmitter believed to play an important role in learning and memory. Another smart drug, Hydergine, is marketed as a nonspecific cerebral stimulant, and is prescribed to help relieve symptoms of age-related mental decline. It is available in the United States, and the same people who talk up piracetam often recommend it for enhancing mental abilities and intelligence. advertisement I tried hydergine myself some years ago to see what it could do, but I detected no benefits. While the drug seems safe enough, I don't see the point of using it - especially since it's expensive. I haven't seen any evidence that it lives up to the many claims made for it. If you're tempted to try any of the smart drugs, you should be aware that none has been evaluated for long-term use. Your best bet for keeping your mind and memory nimble is to take on new mental challenges. The best mental workouts I know are learning a new computer operating system and learning a new language. Tackling a new operating system is exactly the type of task needed to force change in the brain's neural network so that it will stay flexible and young. Learning a language draws on " fluid intelligence, " the ability to stay focused and to manage attention while ignoring irrelevant information. Fluid intelligence is one of the first aspects of brain function affected by age. As for things to take to improve brain function, nothing beats supplemental fish oil in doses of 1 to 2 grams a day. Most people in our part of the world are deficient in omega-3 fatty acids, and that impacts mental and emotional health adversely. Look for a product that provides both EPA and DHA in a ratio of about 3-4 to 1. Weil, M.D. > > 2 articles about this drug...did those of you that give this stuff to > your kids know that you can't just stop it -you have to reduce a drop > at a time -and that there may be changes in dosages around the dates > of a flight?! I'm sure there's much more out there on this stuff or > what Dr. Leshin calls " a drug in search of a disease. " > > Piracetam and Down syndrome > Summary by Len Leshin, MD, FAAP > > Piracetam is what I refer to as " a drug in search of a disease. " A > best-selling drug in Europe and Japan, a large portion of sales is to > normal adults looking for cognitive enhancement. It is not a drug of > first choice for any disease process yet, though current research is > looking into myoclonus, sickle cell disease, stroke and Raynaud > syndrome. > > Piracetam became a controversial topic in the mid-1990s when a > parent group began advocating its use for Down syndrome. There was > notable publicity due to two ABC news shows about it and internet > advocacy on the part of the parent group. However, the company > licensing it, UCB Pharma in Belgium, has discouraged its use in > children with Down syndrome. In July 1998, UCB Pharma specifically > denied all rumors that it will fund or has plans to fund any study > with children with Down syndrome in the United States or elsewhere. > Many advocates of its use in Down syndrome claim that UCB Pharma's > reluctance stems more from economic motives than scientific; however, > UCB Pharma has obtained " orphan drug " status for piracetam in the US, > and is currently planning a controlled trial of piracetam and > myoclonus in the US. If given approval by the FDA for myoclonus, UCB > Pharma would have several years of exclusivity of the drug in the > US. > > I have listed below the studies that involve children with Down > syndrome. I have a separate page for other research on piracetam. > > Lobaugh NJ et al. Piracetam does not enhance cognitive abilities in > moderate to high-functioning 7 to 13 year-old children with Down > syndrome. Presented at the PAS/SPR meeting in San Francisco May 3, > 1999; published in Archives of Ped and Adol Med, April 2001, 155 > (4):442-448. > > " Piracetam, a drug reported to enhance cognitive performance in many > neurobehavioural conditions, has become popular in the treatment of > children with Down Syndrome (DS). However, reports of its efficacy in > DS have been anecdotal, not from evidence-based studies. Some > caregivers have noted no effect of piracetam, while others claim > substantial improvement in cognitive functioning. To address the need > for objective analysis, we conducted a double-blind placebo- > controlled crossover study assessing the cognitive and behavioral > effects of piracetam in children with DS. Patients and Study Design. > Children with DS (n = 25, 13 males, 6.5 - 13 yrs) and their parents > participated. The first phase of the study was a baseline cognitive > assessment. Children were then randomly assigned to one of two four- > month treatment arms: Piracetam. Placebo or Placebo. Piracetam. > Children were retested at the end of the two treatment phases. > Children received 80-100 mg/kg piracetam per day in capsules. Placebo > was administered in the same manner. Test Battery. The test battery > included 16 tasks assessing attention, learning, memory, verbal > fluency, perceptual and spatial abilities, processing speed, fine > motor skills, and executive function. Both standardized and > experimental tasks were included. Secondary outcome measures were > questionnaires completed by parents and teachers at each of the three > phases. Results. Eighteen children (7 - 13 yrs) completed the study, > 5 withdrew, and 2 could not complete the battery at baseline testing. > The mean mental age for the final sample was 4.2 ± .7 years (Stanford > Binet). The 16 tasks yielded 75 measures and the parent and teacher > questionnaires had 80 and 24 items, respectively. Piracetam did not > show significant effects over placebo on any outcome measure. All > significant interactions (p's < 0.05) with drug order or the > covariate were examined further to ensure drug effects were not being > masked. That analysis did not alter the results. Piracetam > administration was associated with CNS stimulatory effects: > aggressiveness (n=4), agitation (n =3), sexual arousal, (including > masturbation in public, n=2), irritability (n=1), and poor sleep > (n=1). Conclusion. Piracetam has received a great deal of attention > in the popular press purporting its efficacy in improving cognitive > function in children with Down Syndrome. In this study, we were > unable to substantiate these claims, even at doses associated with > adverse effects. Neither cognitive nor behavioural measures > demonstrated improvement under piracetam. Due to the serious adverse > effects, it is unlikely that larger doses can be tolerated. " > ©1999 Pediatric Academic Societies > > Fialho J Dromia and Piracetam: a useful association in the treatment > of Down syndrome. Tempo Medico 30:944, 1977. (The original was > published in Spanish; an English version was reprinted in a book > whose specifics are unknown to me.) 26 children with DS between 3 > months and 12 years were given Dromia (mixture of pyriglutine and 5- > hydroxytryptophan) alone, and then a combination of Dromia and > Piracetam. The children were then evaluated based on their muscle > tone, motor development, mental development, speech, affective-social > development, scholastic achievement and EEG trace. The author > concludes that the combination of the two drugs caused an improvement > in all aspects, but especially speech. There were no side effects > noted. (Unfortunately, this is a terrible study. There were no > controlled subjects, the investigator does not tell how he evaluated > the above categories and does not say if the subjects, parents, or > investigators were " blinded " as to which children were getting one or > both drugs.) > > An unpublished feasibility study was conducted in 1999 at the Kennedy > Kriger Institute in Baltimore under the guidance of Dr. > Capone. Five school-aged children with DS were given piracetam and > compared to five children with DS not on piracetam. The piracetam was > given at 100 mg/kg body weight per day. After six months, the > children were assessed for auditory verbal memory, auditory non- > verbal memory, visual memory, and spatial working memory. There were > no statistically significant differences in the two groups. It should > be noted that this was a study that was set up more to prove to the > NIH that the study was doable and deserving to be funded on a large- > scale basis rather than to prove whether to not piracetam had any > measurable effects. A lack of funds kept this study from being > carried out to a point where the research could be published. > In 2002, Dr. Capone and his associates published their trial of > piracetam on trisomy mice: The effects of piracetam on cognitive > performance in a mouse model of Down's syndrome Physiology & Behavior > 77: 403-409, 2002. > > " Piracetam is a nootropic agent that has been shown to improve > cognitive performance in a number of animal model systems. Piracetam > is reported to be used widely as a means of improving cognitive > function in children with Down's syndrome (DS). In order to provide a > preclinical assessment of the potential efficacy of piracetam, we > examined the effects of a dose range of piracetam in the Ts65Dn mouse > model of DS. Ts65Dn mice are trisomic for a region of mouse > chromosome 16 with homology to human chromosome 21. Daily piracetam > treatment at doses of 0, 75, 150, and 300 mg/kg ip was initiated in 6- > week-old male Ts65Dn and euploid control mice. Following 4 weeks of > treatment, mice were tested in the visible and hidden-platform > components of the water maze and were placed overnight in > computerized activity chambers to assess effects on overall activity. > Piracetam treatment was continued through the 4 weeks of testing. In > control mice, 75 and 150 mg/kg/day piracetam improved performance in > both the visible- and hidden-platform tasks. Although low doses of > piracetam reduced search time in the visible-platform component in > Ts65Dn mice, all piracetam doses prevented trial-related improvements > in performance in Ts65Dn mice. The 300-mg/kg/day-piracetam dose was > associated with a reversal of the nocturnal spontaneous hyperactivity > in Ts65Dn. These data do not provide support for piracetam treatment > for individuals with DS. " > > Advocates of piracetam have argued that choline must also be > supplemented with piracetam to get any effect, thus explaining the > results of the Toronto and s Hopkins studies. The main basis for > this belief are the following studies: > > Bartus RT et al. Profound effects of combining choline and piracetam > on memory enhancement and cholinergic function in aged rats. > Neurobiol Aging Summer;2(2):105-11, 1981. Rats given both choline and > piracetam did better on a memory test than on choline or piracetam > alone. > > Platel A et al. Habituation of exploratory activity in mice: effects > of combinations of piracetam and choline on memory processes. > Pharmacol Biochem Behav 21(2):209-12, 1984. Mice did better on memory > of their environment with the combination of choline and piracetam > than on either separately. > > Mosharrof AH & Petkov VD. Effects of citicholine and of the > combination citicholine + piracetam on the memory. Acta Physiol > Pharmacol Bulg 16(1):25-31, 1990. Mice did better with memory > retention with the combination of citicholine and piracetam than the > compounds separately. > > Friedman E et al. Clincal Response to choline plus piracetam in > senile dementia: relation to red-cell choline levels. New Eng J Med > 1981 Jun 11; 304(24): 1490-1. This is actually a " letter " rather than > a full paper, and consisted giving 10 patients with presenile > dementia piracetam and choline for 7 days in a non-controlled study. > 3 of the 10 had " marked improvement " cognitively, but no description > of the cognitive tests or whether the testing was blinded is > mentioned. The 3 who responded had higher choline red blood cell > levels than the 7 who didn't respond. > > However, other studies show a lack of usefulness of the combination: > Ennaceur A & Delacour J. Effect of combined or separate > administration of piracetam and choline on learning and memory in the > rat. Psychopharmacology 92(1):58-67, 1987. Rats given choline alone > did better than rats given piracetam alone on memory test, and rats > given piracetam and choline together did worse than the other groups. > Growdon JH et al. Piracetam combined with lecithin in the treatment > of Alzheimer's disease. Neurobiol of Aging 7:269-276, 1986. Piracetam > was administered alone or with lecithin (phosphatidylcholine) in a > double-blinded test. No effect was seen, with or without lecithin, on > cognition or memory test scores. > > Corona GL et al. Clinical and biochemical responses to therapy in > Alzheimer's disease and multi-infarct dementia. Eur. Arch. Psychiatr. > Neurol. Sci. 239:79-86, 1989. Patients with either AD or multi- > infarct dementia were given either piracetam or piracetam with > choline. This was not paired with placebos. Despite biochemical > changes, there was no change in memory performance. > It should be noted that the maker of piracetam, UCB Pharma, has never > incorporated choline as part of any of its research on humans with > Alzhemier's disease or myoclonus. > > http://www.ds-health.com/piracet.htm > > Piracetam Frequently Asked Questions > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > Piracetam's (2-oxo-1-pyrrolidine acetamide) earliest use in Down > syndrome was in Spain and Portugal in 1974 in a comparative study, > using historic case controls, of Dromia (a 5-hydroxytryptophan > containing product) and Noostan (a brand of Piracetam) in 26 children > from age 3 months to 12 years of age (Fialho, 1977). > > Piracetam is a cyclic derivative of GABA (gamma amino butyric acid, a > neurotransmitter) and enhances cognition under conditions of hypoxia > (lack of oxygen), enhances memory and some kinds of learning in non- > disabled persons, mitigates oxidative stress, returns fluidity to > brain membranes that have undergone hardening from lipid peroxidation > and allows for increased communication between the hemispheres of the > brain. It is reported to be an intelligent booster and a CNS (central > nervous system) stimulant with no known toxicity or addictive > properties. Its effects and safety are so impressive that piracetam > prompted the creation of a new pharmaceutical category called > nootropics. > > Piracetam is available by mail overseas or by prescription in the USA > from a compounding pharmacy. > > Piracetam is not FDA approved for OTC (over the counter) sale and has > been granted an orphan status in the USA. As of June of 2006, > piracetam is not regulated in the United States (it is neither a > controlled substance nor a prescription drug). > > The Piracetam NDC code for insurance purposes is 38779017725. > > Piracetam and Seizures > > Piracetam is an anticonvulsant. There are no know medical reports > supporting the link between Piracetam and seizures. Infantile spasms > are common in Down syndrome. > > Piracetam and Coumadin > > Piracetam can cause lack of adhesion of platelets which can affect > clotting. > > When a patient is on Coumadin therapy due to valve replacement, > Coumadin levels will need to be adjusted if the patient is on > Piracetam. > > Piracetam and Surgery > > Piracetam should be doubled 72 hours prior to surgery and removed 48 > hours before the surgery is scheduled because of its blood thinning > properties. Because Piracetam increases acetylcholine receptors, it > allows the brain to handle the effects of anesthesia and cholinergic > drugs better, like atropine and scopalamine, that are given as part > of pre-operation medications. Resume Piracetam as soon as patient is > home. > > Piracetam and Flying > > Piracetam has the capability of maintaining high oxygen levels in the > brain even under periods of low oxygen stress such as flying. > Pressurized planes have periods of low partial pressure of oxygen due > to altitude. In addition, aircrafts are typically only pressurized to > the equivalent of 8,000-9,000 feet altitude, i.e., there is less > oxygen for a child that has a heart condition impairing oxygenation. > Increase Piracetam dosage by 50% the day before and the day of > flying. > > Piracetam and Phosphocholine > > Choline is necessary because one of the major effects of Piracetam is > the stimulation of increased numbers of acetylcholine receptors. > Without choline this step is inefficient and choline should be given > in conjunction with Piracetam within 8 hour timespan. A dosage of 250 > mg of phosphocholine for every 20 pounds of weight, up to 800 mg, in > conjunction with Piracetam, is recommended for persons not on > NuTriVene-D®. The dosage can be doubled for adults up to 1600 mg. > Phosphocholine, also known as Phosphatidyl Choline or Lecithin, is > available from most health food stores. > > Piracetam and Glutamate > > While glutaminergic receptors are increased in Down syndrome [Arai, > Mizuguchi, & Takashima, 1996. Excessive glutamate receptor 1 > immunoreactivity in adult Down syndrome brains. Pediatric Neurology, > 15, 203-6] there is no evidence that Piracetam stimulates > glutaminergic receptors to any great extent. Their main stimulus is > on acetylcholine receptors. > > Withdrawing Piracetam > > Do not stop any drug that has psychotropic effects abruptly: first > reduce the dose of Piracetam by half for 2 days, then drop a dose > each day, until it is eliminated. > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > Source: http://www.altonweb.com/cs/downsyndrome/piracefa.html > > 1. Cognitive Enhancement Research Institute Revised: October 20, > 2006. > 2. Lawrence G. Leichtman, M.D. FAAP, FACMG. Genetics and Disabilities > Diagnostic Care Center > > http://www.altonweb.com/cs/downsyndrome/index.htm?page=piracefa.html > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 agree with the fish oil, but piracetam is incrediable for us! Amazing gains, and when they come off of the piracetam they dont loose what they have gained. [ ] Re: Piracetam - OK got curious -some stuff I found out about it wow! I just read 's research page and searched for more myself...this is from Dr. Weil...as follows...and read the last lines of what he says!!!!!!!!!!! fish oils! nothing beats fish oils. I dunno, I think the fact that it smells like gasoline, scares me. Best wishes to all of you who are using this and the other drug along with it. may you be safe and your kids excel!!! Q Looking for a Brain Boost from Piracetam? What do you think of a supplement called piracetam, considered to be a brain nutrient? It has been used in Europe for decades. A Answer (Published 3/20/2007) Piracetam is a so-called " smart drug " or " nootropic " (mind-turning) agent loved by some students and life-extension types, but their use is generally discouraged by mainstream experts on brain function. Piracetam is said to improve learning and memory and boost concentration without causing toxicity, even at high doses. Enthusiasts claim that piracetam " wakes up " the brain. Related Weil Products Dr. Weil's Vitamin Advisor for Depression - Left unchecked, mild depression can become debilitating. The good news: proper diet, lifestyle and supplements can be beneficial. Learn more, and get your free, personalized Dr. Weil's Vitamin Advisor Recommendation today. I doubt it. I can tell you that piracetam is not a recognized brain nutrient and that there's not much scientific evidence to support the claims made for it. I am aware that it is available by prescription in Europe but that doesn't mean that piracetam is effective. You can't buy it over-the-counter in the United States either – you have to order it by mail or get it in Mexico. We don't know much about how piracetam and other smart drugs work, although they might affect nerve pathways in the brain that use acetylcholine, a neurotransmitter believed to play an important role in learning and memory. Another smart drug, Hydergine, is marketed as a nonspecific cerebral stimulant, and is prescribed to help relieve symptoms of age-related mental decline. It is available in the United States, and the same people who talk up piracetam often recommend it for enhancing mental abilities and intelligence. advertisement I tried hydergine myself some years ago to see what it could do, but I detected no benefits. While the drug seems safe enough, I don't see the point of using it - especially since it's expensive. I haven't seen any evidence that it lives up to the many claims made for it. If you're tempted to try any of the smart drugs, you should be aware that none has been evaluated for long-term use. Your best bet for keeping your mind and memory nimble is to take on new mental challenges. The best mental workouts I know are learning a new computer operating system and learning a new language. Tackling a new operating system is exactly the type of task needed to force change in the brain's neural network so that it will stay flexible and young. Learning a language draws on " fluid intelligence, " the ability to stay focused and to manage attention while ignoring irrelevant information. Fluid intelligence is one of the first aspects of brain function affected by age. As for things to take to improve brain function, nothing beats supplemental fish oil in doses of 1 to 2 grams a day. Most people in our part of the world are deficient in omega-3 fatty acids, and that impacts mental and emotional health adversely. Look for a product that provides both EPA and DHA in a ratio of about 3-4 to 1. Weil, M.D. > > 2 articles about this drug...did those of you that give this stuff to > your kids know that you can't just stop it -you have to reduce a drop > at a time -and that there may be changes in dosages around the dates > of a flight?! I'm sure there's much more out there on this stuff or > what Dr. Leshin calls " a drug in search of a disease. " > > Piracetam and Down syndrome > Summary by Len Leshin, MD, FAAP > > Piracetam is what I refer to as " a drug in search of a disease. " A > best-selling drug in Europe and Japan, a large portion of sales is to > normal adults looking for cognitive enhancement. It is not a drug of > first choice for any disease process yet, though current research is > looking into myoclonus, sickle cell disease, stroke and Raynaud > syndrome. > > Piracetam became a controversial topic in the mid-1990s when a > parent group began advocating its use for Down syndrome. There was > notable publicity due to two ABC news shows about it and internet > advocacy on the part of the parent group. However, the company > licensing it, UCB Pharma in Belgium, has discouraged its use in > children with Down syndrome. In July 1998, UCB Pharma specifically > denied all rumors that it will fund or has plans to fund any study > with children with Down syndrome in the United States or elsewhere. > Many advocates of its use in Down syndrome claim that UCB Pharma's > reluctance stems more from economic motives than scientific; however, > UCB Pharma has obtained " orphan drug " status for piracetam in the US, > and is currently planning a controlled trial of piracetam and > myoclonus in the US. If given approval by the FDA for myoclonus, UCB > Pharma would have several years of exclusivity of the drug in the > US. > > I have listed below the studies that involve children with Down > syndrome. I have a separate page for other research on piracetam. > > Lobaugh NJ et al. Piracetam does not enhance cognitive abilities in > moderate to high-functioning 7 to 13 year-old children with Down > syndrome. Presented at the PAS/SPR meeting in San Francisco May 3, > 1999; published in Archives of Ped and Adol Med, April 2001, 155 > (4):442-448. > > " Piracetam, a drug reported to enhance cognitive performance in many > neurobehavioural conditions, has become popular in the treatment of > children with Down Syndrome (DS). However, reports of its efficacy in > DS have been anecdotal, not from evidence-based studies. Some > caregivers have noted no effect of piracetam, while others claim > substantial improvement in cognitive functioning. To address the need > for objective analysis, we conducted a double-blind placebo- > controlled crossover study assessing the cognitive and behavioral > effects of piracetam in children with DS. Patients and Study Design. > Children with DS (n = 25, 13 males, 6.5 - 13 yrs) and their parents > participated. The first phase of the study was a baseline cognitive > assessment. Children were then randomly assigned to one of two four- > month treatment arms: Piracetam. Placebo or Placebo. Piracetam. > Children were retested at the end of the two treatment phases. > Children received 80-100 mg/kg piracetam per day in capsules. Placebo > was administered in the same manner. Test Battery. The test battery > included 16 tasks assessing attention, learning, memory, verbal > fluency, perceptual and spatial abilities, processing speed, fine > motor skills, and executive function. Both standardized and > experimental tasks were included. Secondary outcome measures were > questionnaires completed by parents and teachers at each of the three > phases. Results. Eighteen children (7 - 13 yrs) completed the study, > 5 withdrew, and 2 could not complete the battery at baseline testing. > The mean mental age for the final sample was 4.2 ± .7 years (Stanford > Binet). The 16 tasks yielded 75 measures and the parent and teacher > questionnaires had 80 and 24 items, respectively. Piracetam did not > show significant effects over placebo on any outcome measure. All > significant interactions (p's < 0.05) with drug order or the > covariate were examined further to ensure drug effects were not being > masked. That analysis did not alter the results. Piracetam > administration was associated with CNS stimulatory effects: > aggressiveness (n=4), agitation (n =3), sexual arousal, (including > masturbation in public, n=2), irritability (n=1), and poor sleep > (n=1). Conclusion. Piracetam has received a great deal of attention > in the popular press purporting its efficacy in improving cognitive > function in children with Down Syndrome. In this study, we were > unable to substantiate these claims, even at doses associated with > adverse effects. Neither cognitive nor behavioural measures > demonstrated improvement under piracetam. Due to the serious adverse > effects, it is unlikely that larger doses can be tolerated. " > ©1999 Pediatric Academic Societies > > Fialho J Dromia and Piracetam: a useful association in the treatment > of Down syndrome. Tempo Medico 30:944, 1977. (The original was > published in Spanish; an English version was reprinted in a book > whose specifics are unknown to me.) 26 children with DS between 3 > months and 12 years were given Dromia (mixture of pyriglutine and 5- > hydroxytryptophan) alone, and then a combination of Dromia and > Piracetam. The children were then evaluated based on their muscle > tone, motor development, mental development, speech, affective-social > development, scholastic achievement and EEG trace. The author > concludes that the combination of the two drugs caused an improvement > in all aspects, but especially speech. There were no side effects > noted. (Unfortunately, this is a terrible study. There were no > controlled subjects, the investigator does not tell how he evaluated > the above categories and does not say if the subjects, parents, or > investigators were " blinded " as to which children were getting one or > both drugs.) > > An unpublished feasibility study was conducted in 1999 at the Kennedy > Kriger Institute in Baltimore under the guidance of Dr. > Capone. Five school-aged children with DS were given piracetam and > compared to five children with DS not on piracetam. The piracetam was > given at 100 mg/kg body weight per day. After six months, the > children were assessed for auditory verbal memory, auditory non- > verbal memory, visual memory, and spatial working memory. There were > no statistically significant differences in the two groups. It should > be noted that this was a study that was set up more to prove to the > NIH that the study was doable and deserving to be funded on a large- > scale basis rather than to prove whether to not piracetam had any > measurable effects. A lack of funds kept this study from being > carried out to a point where the research could be published. > In 2002, Dr. Capone and his associates published their trial of > piracetam on trisomy mice: The effects of piracetam on cognitive > performance in a mouse model of Down's syndrome Physiology & Behavior > 77: 403-409, 2002. > > " Piracetam is a nootropic agent that has been shown to improve > cognitive performance in a number of animal model systems. Piracetam > is reported to be used widely as a means of improving cognitive > function in children with Down's syndrome (DS). In order to provide a > preclinical assessment of the potential efficacy of piracetam, we > examined the effects of a dose range of piracetam in the Ts65Dn mouse > model of DS. Ts65Dn mice are trisomic for a region of mouse > chromosome 16 with homology to human chromosome 21. Daily piracetam > treatment at doses of 0, 75, 150, and 300 mg/kg ip was initiated in 6- > week-old male Ts65Dn and euploid control mice. Following 4 weeks of > treatment, mice were tested in the visible and hidden-platform > components of the water maze and were placed overnight in > computerized activity chambers to assess effects on overall activity. > Piracetam treatment was continued through the 4 weeks of testing. In > control mice, 75 and 150 mg/kg/day piracetam improved performance in > both the visible- and hidden-platform tasks. Although low doses of > piracetam reduced search time in the visible-platform component in > Ts65Dn mice, all piracetam doses prevented trial-related improvements > in performance in Ts65Dn mice. The 300-mg/kg/day-piracetam dose was > associated with a reversal of the nocturnal spontaneous hyperactivity > in Ts65Dn. These data do not provide support for piracetam treatment > for individuals with DS. " > > Advocates of piracetam have argued that choline must also be > supplemented with piracetam to get any effect, thus explaining the > results of the Toronto and s Hopkins studies. The main basis for > this belief are the following studies: > > Bartus RT et al. Profound effects of combining choline and piracetam > on memory enhancement and cholinergic function in aged rats. > Neurobiol Aging Summer;2(2):105-11, 1981. Rats given both choline and > piracetam did better on a memory test than on choline or piracetam > alone. > > Platel A et al. Habituation of exploratory activity in mice: effects > of combinations of piracetam and choline on memory processes. > Pharmacol Biochem Behav 21(2):209-12, 1984. Mice did better on memory > of their environment with the combination of choline and piracetam > than on either separately. > > Mosharrof AH & Petkov VD. Effects of citicholine and of the > combination citicholine + piracetam on the memory. Acta Physiol > Pharmacol Bulg 16(1):25-31, 1990. Mice did better with memory > retention with the combination of citicholine and piracetam than the > compounds separately. > > Friedman E et al. Clincal Response to choline plus piracetam in > senile dementia: relation to red-cell choline levels. New Eng J Med > 1981 Jun 11; 304(24): 1490-1. This is actually a " letter " rather than > a full paper, and consisted giving 10 patients with presenile > dementia piracetam and choline for 7 days in a non-controlled study. > 3 of the 10 had " marked improvement " cognitively, but no description > of the cognitive tests or whether the testing was blinded is > mentioned. The 3 who responded had higher choline red blood cell > levels than the 7 who didn't respond. > > However, other studies show a lack of usefulness of the combination: > Ennaceur A & Delacour J. Effect of combined or separate > administration of piracetam and choline on learning and memory in the > rat. Psychopharmacology 92(1):58-67, 1987. Rats given choline alone > did better than rats given piracetam alone on memory test, and rats > given piracetam and choline together did worse than the other groups. > Growdon JH et al. Piracetam combined with lecithin in the treatment > of Alzheimer's disease. Neurobiol of Aging 7:269-276, 1986. Piracetam > was administered alone or with lecithin (phosphatidylcholine) in a > double-blinded test. No effect was seen, with or without lecithin, on > cognition or memory test scores. > > Corona GL et al. Clinical and biochemical responses to therapy in > Alzheimer's disease and multi-infarct dementia. Eur. Arch. Psychiatr. > Neurol. Sci. 239:79-86, 1989. Patients with either AD or multi- > infarct dementia were given either piracetam or piracetam with > choline. This was not paired with placebos. Despite biochemical > changes, there was no change in memory performance. > It should be noted that the maker of piracetam, UCB Pharma, has never > incorporated choline as part of any of its research on humans with > Alzhemier's disease or myoclonus. > > http://www.ds- <http://www.ds-health.com/piracet.htm> health.com/piracet.htm > > Piracetam Frequently Asked Questions > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > Piracetam's (2-oxo-1-pyrrolidine acetamide) earliest use in Down > syndrome was in Spain and Portugal in 1974 in a comparative study, > using historic case controls, of Dromia (a 5-hydroxytryptophan > containing product) and Noostan (a brand of Piracetam) in 26 children > from age 3 months to 12 years of age (Fialho, 1977). > > Piracetam is a cyclic derivative of GABA (gamma amino butyric acid, a > neurotransmitter) and enhances cognition under conditions of hypoxia > (lack of oxygen), enhances memory and some kinds of learning in non- > disabled persons, mitigates oxidative stress, returns fluidity to > brain membranes that have undergone hardening from lipid peroxidation > and allows for increased communication between the hemispheres of the > brain. It is reported to be an intelligent booster and a CNS (central > nervous system) stimulant with no known toxicity or addictive > properties. Its effects and safety are so impressive that piracetam > prompted the creation of a new pharmaceutical category called > nootropics. > > Piracetam is available by mail overseas or by prescription in the USA > from a compounding pharmacy. > > Piracetam is not FDA approved for OTC (over the counter) sale and has > been granted an orphan status in the USA. As of June of 2006, > piracetam is not regulated in the United States (it is neither a > controlled substance nor a prescription drug). > > The Piracetam NDC code for insurance purposes is 38779017725. > > Piracetam and Seizures > > Piracetam is an anticonvulsant. There are no know medical reports > supporting the link between Piracetam and seizures. Infantile spasms > are common in Down syndrome. > > Piracetam and Coumadin > > Piracetam can cause lack of adhesion of platelets which can affect > clotting. > > When a patient is on Coumadin therapy due to valve replacement, > Coumadin levels will need to be adjusted if the patient is on > Piracetam. > > Piracetam and Surgery > > Piracetam should be doubled 72 hours prior to surgery and removed 48 > hours before the surgery is scheduled because of its blood thinning > properties. Because Piracetam increases acetylcholine receptors, it > allows the brain to handle the effects of anesthesia and cholinergic > drugs better, like atropine and scopalamine, that are given as part > of pre-operation medications. Resume Piracetam as soon as patient is > home. > > Piracetam and Flying > > Piracetam has the capability of maintaining high oxygen levels in the > brain even under periods of low oxygen stress such as flying. > Pressurized planes have periods of low partial pressure of oxygen due > to altitude. In addition, aircrafts are typically only pressurized to > the equivalent of 8,000-9,000 feet altitude, i.e., there is less > oxygen for a child that has a heart condition impairing oxygenation. > Increase Piracetam dosage by 50% the day before and the day of > flying. > > Piracetam and Phosphocholine > > Choline is necessary because one of the major effects of Piracetam is > the stimulation of increased numbers of acetylcholine receptors. > Without choline this step is inefficient and choline should be given > in conjunction with Piracetam within 8 hour timespan. A dosage of 250 > mg of phosphocholine for every 20 pounds of weight, up to 800 mg, in > conjunction with Piracetam, is recommended for persons not on > NuTriVene-D®. The dosage can be doubled for adults up to 1600 mg. > Phosphocholine, also known as Phosphatidyl Choline or Lecithin, is > available from most health food stores. > > Piracetam and Glutamate > > While glutaminergic receptors are increased in Down syndrome [Arai, > Mizuguchi, & Takashima, 1996. Excessive glutamate receptor 1 > immunoreactivity in adult Down syndrome brains. Pediatric Neurology, > 15, 203-6] there is no evidence that Piracetam stimulates > glutaminergic receptors to any great extent. Their main stimulus is > on acetylcholine receptors. > > Withdrawing Piracetam > > Do not stop any drug that has psychotropic effects abruptly: first > reduce the dose of Piracetam by half for 2 days, then drop a dose > each day, until it is eliminated. > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > Source: http://www.altonweb <http://www.altonweb.com/cs/downsyndrome/piracefa.html> ..com/cs/downsyndrome/piracefa.html > > 1. Cognitive Enhancement Research Institute Revised: October 20, > 2006. > 2. Lawrence G. Leichtman, M.D. FAAP, FACMG. Genetics and Disabilities > Diagnostic Care Center > > http://www.altonweb <http://www.altonweb.com/cs/downsyndrome/index.htm?page=piracefa.html> ..com/cs/downsyndrome/index.htm?page=piracefa.html > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 , absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think when Cheesy gets older I will have him play Gasoline to help give his brain a boost..the hubby will SO love that! > > Hey Krissy -or is this yet another testimony for Rock Band and/or > Guitar Hero?! > > From Dr. Weil's article you posted below: > " Tackling a new operating system is exactly the type of task needed > to force change in the brain's neural network so that it will stay > flexible " > > You can play/sing gasoline for therapy instead of eating it for > therapy! > > > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Janice, Dr. Weil is a very well known dr and author who is into very natural things..and optimal health and healing for your body.. integrative medicine is his field I believe....he's not just a Dr. Who...many people know and trust him and his work and opinions. And he was just not making comments, he was offering sound advice and research from experience. I was not coming down on your choices or others....just posting another view and wishing you all well.............but as for me and my child: we will not choose to use something that smells like gasoline and to get off of it is tricky??? Just as I wont choose other journeys that other moms have taken...which is ok, we all do what we think is best for OUR kids. I was in no way judging any of you...I was wishing you all well on your choices. For me, using something as powerful as this, and it is not FDA approved,you have to get it overseas and it is a serious serious drug...I can not do it but as I said I wish you well if you choose this. Just like if gf/cf is not for you....or chelating is not for you, etc etc.... > > > > 2 articles about this drug...did those of you that give this stuff to > > your kids know that you can't just stop it -you have to reduce a drop > > at a time -and that there may be changes in dosages around the dates > > of a flight?! I'm sure there's much more out there on this stuff or > > what Dr. Leshin calls " a drug in search of a disease. " > > > > Piracetam and Down syndrome > > Summary by Len Leshin, MD, FAAP > > > > Piracetam is what I refer to as " a drug in search of a disease. " A > > best-selling drug in Europe and Japan, a large portion of sales is to > > normal adults looking for cognitive enhancement. It is not a drug of > > first choice for any disease process yet, though current research is > > looking into myoclonus, sickle cell disease, stroke and Raynaud > > syndrome. > > > > Piracetam became a controversial topic in the mid-1990s when a > > parent group began advocating its use for Down syndrome. There was > > notable publicity due to two ABC news shows about it and internet > > advocacy on the part of the parent group. However, the company > > licensing it, UCB Pharma in Belgium, has discouraged its use in > > children with Down syndrome. In July 1998, UCB Pharma specifically > > denied all rumors that it will fund or has plans to fund any study > > with children with Down syndrome in the United States or elsewhere. > > Many advocates of its use in Down syndrome claim that UCB Pharma's > > reluctance stems more from economic motives than scientific; however, > > UCB Pharma has obtained " orphan drug " status for piracetam in the US, > > and is currently planning a controlled trial of piracetam and > > myoclonus in the US. If given approval by the FDA for myoclonus, UCB > > Pharma would have several years of exclusivity of the drug in the > > US. > > > > I have listed below the studies that involve children with Down > > syndrome. I have a separate page for other research on piracetam. > > > > Lobaugh NJ et al. Piracetam does not enhance cognitive abilities in > > moderate to high-functioning 7 to 13 year-old children with Down > > syndrome. Presented at the PAS/SPR meeting in San Francisco May 3, > > 1999; published in Archives of Ped and Adol Med, April 2001, 155 > > (4):442-448. > > > > " Piracetam, a drug reported to enhance cognitive performance in many > > neurobehavioural conditions, has become popular in the treatment of > > children with Down Syndrome (DS). However, reports of its efficacy in > > DS have been anecdotal, not from evidence-based studies. Some > > caregivers have noted no effect of piracetam, while others claim > > substantial improvement in cognitive functioning. To address the need > > for objective analysis, we conducted a double-blind placebo- > > controlled crossover study assessing the cognitive and behavioral > > effects of piracetam in children with DS. Patients and Study Design. > > Children with DS (n = 25, 13 males, 6.5 - 13 yrs) and their parents > > participated. The first phase of the study was a baseline cognitive > > assessment. Children were then randomly assigned to one of two four- > > month treatment arms: Piracetam. Placebo or Placebo. Piracetam. > > Children were retested at the end of the two treatment phases. > > Children received 80-100 mg/kg piracetam per day in capsules. Placebo > > was administered in the same manner. Test Battery. The test battery > > included 16 tasks assessing attention, learning, memory, verbal > > fluency, perceptual and spatial abilities, processing speed, fine > > motor skills, and executive function. Both standardized and > > experimental tasks were included. Secondary outcome measures were > > questionnaires completed by parents and teachers at each of the three > > phases. Results. Eighteen children (7 - 13 yrs) completed the study, > > 5 withdrew, and 2 could not complete the battery at baseline testing. > > The mean mental age for the final sample was 4.2 ± .7 years (Stanford > > Binet). The 16 tasks yielded 75 measures and the parent and teacher > > questionnaires had 80 and 24 items, respectively. Piracetam did not > > show significant effects over placebo on any outcome measure. All > > significant interactions (p's < 0.05) with drug order or the > > covariate were examined further to ensure drug effects were not being > > masked. That analysis did not alter the results. Piracetam > > administration was associated with CNS stimulatory effects: > > aggressiveness (n=4), agitation (n =3), sexual arousal, (including > > masturbation in public, n=2), irritability (n=1), and poor sleep > > (n=1). Conclusion. Piracetam has received a great deal of attention > > in the popular press purporting its efficacy in improving cognitive > > function in children with Down Syndrome. In this study, we were > > unable to substantiate these claims, even at doses associated with > > adverse effects. Neither cognitive nor behavioural measures > > demonstrated improvement under piracetam. Due to the serious adverse > > effects, it is unlikely that larger doses can be tolerated. " > > ©1999 Pediatric Academic Societies > > > > Fialho J Dromia and Piracetam: a useful association in the treatment > > of Down syndrome. Tempo Medico 30:944, 1977. (The original was > > published in Spanish; an English version was reprinted in a book > > whose specifics are unknown to me.) 26 children with DS between 3 > > months and 12 years were given Dromia (mixture of pyriglutine and 5- > > hydroxytryptophan) alone, and then a combination of Dromia and > > Piracetam. The children were then evaluated based on their muscle > > tone, motor development, mental development, speech, affective-social > > development, scholastic achievement and EEG trace. The author > > concludes that the combination of the two drugs caused an improvement > > in all aspects, but especially speech. There were no side effects > > noted. (Unfortunately, this is a terrible study. There were no > > controlled subjects, the investigator does not tell how he evaluated > > the above categories and does not say if the subjects, parents, or > > investigators were " blinded " as to which children were getting one or > > both drugs.) > > > > An unpublished feasibility study was conducted in 1999 at the Kennedy > > Kriger Institute in Baltimore under the guidance of Dr. > > Capone. Five school-aged children with DS were given piracetam and > > compared to five children with DS not on piracetam. The piracetam was > > given at 100 mg/kg body weight per day. After six months, the > > children were assessed for auditory verbal memory, auditory non- > > verbal memory, visual memory, and spatial working memory. There were > > no statistically significant differences in the two groups. It should > > be noted that this was a study that was set up more to prove to the > > NIH that the study was doable and deserving to be funded on a large- > > scale basis rather than to prove whether to not piracetam had any > > measurable effects. A lack of funds kept this study from being > > carried out to a point where the research could be published. > > In 2002, Dr. Capone and his associates published their trial of > > piracetam on trisomy mice: The effects of piracetam on cognitive > > performance in a mouse model of Down's syndrome Physiology & Behavior > > 77: 403-409, 2002. > > > > " Piracetam is a nootropic agent that has been shown to improve > > cognitive performance in a number of animal model systems. Piracetam > > is reported to be used widely as a means of improving cognitive > > function in children with Down's syndrome (DS). In order to provide a > > preclinical assessment of the potential efficacy of piracetam, we > > examined the effects of a dose range of piracetam in the Ts65Dn mouse > > model of DS. Ts65Dn mice are trisomic for a region of mouse > > chromosome 16 with homology to human chromosome 21. Daily piracetam > > treatment at doses of 0, 75, 150, and 300 mg/kg ip was initiated in 6- > > week-old male Ts65Dn and euploid control mice. Following 4 weeks of > > treatment, mice were tested in the visible and hidden-platform > > components of the water maze and were placed overnight in > > computerized activity chambers to assess effects on overall activity. > > Piracetam treatment was continued through the 4 weeks of testing. In > > control mice, 75 and 150 mg/kg/day piracetam improved performance in > > both the visible- and hidden-platform tasks. Although low doses of > > piracetam reduced search time in the visible-platform component in > > Ts65Dn mice, all piracetam doses prevented trial-related improvements > > in performance in Ts65Dn mice. The 300-mg/kg/day-piracetam dose was > > associated with a reversal of the nocturnal spontaneous hyperactivity > > in Ts65Dn. These data do not provide support for piracetam treatment > > for individuals with DS. " > > > > Advocates of piracetam have argued that choline must also be > > supplemented with piracetam to get any effect, thus explaining the > > results of the Toronto and s Hopkins studies. The main basis for > > this belief are the following studies: > > > > Bartus RT et al. Profound effects of combining choline and piracetam > > on memory enhancement and cholinergic function in aged rats. > > Neurobiol Aging Summer;2(2):105-11, 1981. Rats given both choline and > > piracetam did better on a memory test than on choline or piracetam > > alone. > > > > Platel A et al. Habituation of exploratory activity in mice: effects > > of combinations of piracetam and choline on memory processes. > > Pharmacol Biochem Behav 21(2):209-12, 1984. Mice did better on memory > > of their environment with the combination of choline and piracetam > > than on either separately. > > > > Mosharrof AH & Petkov VD. Effects of citicholine and of the > > combination citicholine + piracetam on the memory. Acta Physiol > > Pharmacol Bulg 16(1):25-31, 1990. Mice did better with memory > > retention with the combination of citicholine and piracetam than the > > compounds separately. > > > > Friedman E et al. Clincal Response to choline plus piracetam in > > senile dementia: relation to red-cell choline levels. New Eng J Med > > 1981 Jun 11; 304(24): 1490-1. This is actually a " letter " rather than > > a full paper, and consisted giving 10 patients with presenile > > dementia piracetam and choline for 7 days in a non-controlled study. > > 3 of the 10 had " marked improvement " cognitively, but no description > > of the cognitive tests or whether the testing was blinded is > > mentioned. The 3 who responded had higher choline red blood cell > > levels than the 7 who didn't respond. > > > > However, other studies show a lack of usefulness of the combination: > > Ennaceur A & Delacour J. Effect of combined or separate > > administration of piracetam and choline on learning and memory in the > > rat. Psychopharmacology 92(1):58-67, 1987. Rats given choline alone > > did better than rats given piracetam alone on memory test, and rats > > given piracetam and choline together did worse than the other groups. > > Growdon JH et al. Piracetam combined with lecithin in the treatment > > of Alzheimer's disease. Neurobiol of Aging 7:269-276, 1986. Piracetam > > was administered alone or with lecithin (phosphatidylcholine) in a > > double-blinded test. No effect was seen, with or without lecithin, on > > cognition or memory test scores. > > > > Corona GL et al. Clinical and biochemical responses to therapy in > > Alzheimer's disease and multi-infarct dementia. Eur. Arch. Psychiatr. > > Neurol. Sci. 239:79-86, 1989. Patients with either AD or multi- > > infarct dementia were given either piracetam or piracetam with > > choline. This was not paired with placebos. Despite biochemical > > changes, there was no change in memory performance. > > It should be noted that the maker of piracetam, UCB Pharma, has never > > incorporated choline as part of any of its research on humans with > > Alzhemier's disease or myoclonus. > > > > http://www.ds-health.com/piracet.htm > > > > Piracetam Frequently Asked Questions > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- > > Piracetam's (2-oxo-1-pyrrolidine acetamide) earliest use in Down > > syndrome was in Spain and Portugal in 1974 in a comparative study, > > using historic case controls, of Dromia (a 5-hydroxytryptophan > > containing product) and Noostan (a brand of Piracetam) in 26 children > > from age 3 months to 12 years of age (Fialho, 1977). > > > > Piracetam is a cyclic derivative of GABA (gamma amino butyric acid, a > > neurotransmitter) and enhances cognition under conditions of hypoxia > > (lack of oxygen), enhances memory and some kinds of learning in non- > > disabled persons, mitigates oxidative stress, returns fluidity to > > brain membranes that have undergone hardening from lipid peroxidation > > and allows for increased communication between the hemispheres of the > > brain. It is reported to be an intelligent booster and a CNS (central > > nervous system) stimulant with no known toxicity or addictive > > properties. Its effects and safety are so impressive that piracetam > > prompted the creation of a new pharmaceutical category called > > nootropics. > > > > Piracetam is available by mail overseas or by prescription in the USA > > from a compounding pharmacy. > > > > Piracetam is not FDA approved for OTC (over the counter) sale and has > > been granted an orphan status in the USA. As of June of 2006, > > piracetam is not regulated in the United States (it is neither a > > controlled substance nor a prescription drug). > > > > The Piracetam NDC code for insurance purposes is 38779017725. > > > > Piracetam and Seizures > > > > Piracetam is an anticonvulsant. There are no know medical reports > > supporting the link between Piracetam and seizures. Infantile spasms > > are common in Down syndrome. > > > > Piracetam and Coumadin > > > > Piracetam can cause lack of adhesion of platelets which can affect > > clotting. > > > > When a patient is on Coumadin therapy due to valve replacement, > > Coumadin levels will need to be adjusted if the patient is on > > Piracetam. > > > > Piracetam and Surgery > > > > Piracetam should be doubled 72 hours prior to surgery and removed 48 > > hours before the surgery is scheduled because of its blood thinning > > properties. Because Piracetam increases acetylcholine receptors, it > > allows the brain to handle the effects of anesthesia and cholinergic > > drugs better, like atropine and scopalamine, that are given as part > > of pre-operation medications. Resume Piracetam as soon as patient is > > home. > > > > Piracetam and Flying > > > > Piracetam has the capability of maintaining high oxygen levels in the > > brain even under periods of low oxygen stress such as flying. > > Pressurized planes have periods of low partial pressure of oxygen due > > to altitude. In addition, aircrafts are typically only pressurized to > > the equivalent of 8,000-9,000 feet altitude, i.e., there is less > > oxygen for a child that has a heart condition impairing oxygenation. > > Increase Piracetam dosage by 50% the day before and the day of > > flying. > > > > Piracetam and Phosphocholine > > > > Choline is necessary because one of the major effects of Piracetam is > > the stimulation of increased numbers of acetylcholine receptors. > > Without choline this step is inefficient and choline should be given > > in conjunction with Piracetam within 8 hour timespan. A dosage of 250 > > mg of phosphocholine for every 20 pounds of weight, up to 800 mg, in > > conjunction with Piracetam, is recommended for persons not on > > NuTriVene-D®. The dosage can be doubled for adults up to 1600 mg. > > Phosphocholine, also known as Phosphatidyl Choline or Lecithin, is > > available from most health food stores. > > > > Piracetam and Glutamate > > > > While glutaminergic receptors are increased in Down syndrome [Arai, > > Mizuguchi, & Takashima, 1996. Excessive glutamate receptor 1 > > immunoreactivity in adult Down syndrome brains. Pediatric Neurology, > > 15, 203-6] there is no evidence that Piracetam stimulates > > glutaminergic receptors to any great extent. Their main stimulus is > > on acetylcholine receptors. > > > > Withdrawing Piracetam > > > > Do not stop any drug that has psychotropic effects abruptly: first > > reduce the dose of Piracetam by half for 2 days, then drop a dose > > each day, until it is eliminated. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- > > Source: http://www.altonweb.com/cs/downsyndrome/piracefa.html > > > > 1. Cognitive Enhancement Research Institute Revised: October 20, > > 2006. > > 2. Lawrence G. Leichtman, M.D. FAAP, FACMG. Genetics and Disabilities > > Diagnostic Care Center > > > > http://www.altonweb.com/cs/downsyndrome/index.htm?page=piracefa.html > > > > ===== > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Great! like I said, I hope it does what you want it to do. i think its awesome when you find something that works for your kid. but we all dont use the same drugs or programs...and thats ok, right??? we are all jsut here to support one another, right?! > > > > 2 articles about this drug...did those of you that give this stuff to > > your kids know that you can't just stop it -you have to reduce a drop > > at a time -and that there may be changes in dosages around the dates > > of a flight?! I'm sure there's much more out there on this stuff or > > what Dr. Leshin calls " a drug in search of a disease. " > > > > Piracetam and Down syndrome > > Summary by Len Leshin, MD, FAAP > > > > Piracetam is what I refer to as " a drug in search of a disease. " A > > best-selling drug in Europe and Japan, a large portion of sales is to > > normal adults looking for cognitive enhancement. It is not a drug of > > first choice for any disease process yet, though current research is > > looking into myoclonus, sickle cell disease, stroke and Raynaud > > syndrome. > > > > Piracetam became a controversial topic in the mid-1990s when a > > parent group began advocating its use for Down syndrome. There was > > notable publicity due to two ABC news shows about it and internet > > advocacy on the part of the parent group. However, the company > > licensing it, UCB Pharma in Belgium, has discouraged its use in > > children with Down syndrome. In July 1998, UCB Pharma specifically > > denied all rumors that it will fund or has plans to fund any study > > with children with Down syndrome in the United States or elsewhere. > > Many advocates of its use in Down syndrome claim that UCB Pharma's > > reluctance stems more from economic motives than scientific; however, > > UCB Pharma has obtained " orphan drug " status for piracetam in the US, > > and is currently planning a controlled trial of piracetam and > > myoclonus in the US. If given approval by the FDA for myoclonus, UCB > > Pharma would have several years of exclusivity of the drug in the > > US. > > > > I have listed below the studies that involve children with Down > > syndrome. I have a separate page for other research on piracetam. > > > > Lobaugh NJ et al. Piracetam does not enhance cognitive abilities in > > moderate to high-functioning 7 to 13 year-old children with Down > > syndrome. Presented at the PAS/SPR meeting in San Francisco May 3, > > 1999; published in Archives of Ped and Adol Med, April 2001, 155 > > (4):442-448. > > > > " Piracetam, a drug reported to enhance cognitive performance in many > > neurobehavioural conditions, has become popular in the treatment of > > children with Down Syndrome (DS). However, reports of its efficacy in > > DS have been anecdotal, not from evidence-based studies. Some > > caregivers have noted no effect of piracetam, while others claim > > substantial improvement in cognitive functioning. To address the need > > for objective analysis, we conducted a double-blind placebo- > > controlled crossover study assessing the cognitive and behavioral > > effects of piracetam in children with DS. Patients and Study Design. > > Children with DS (n = 25, 13 males, 6.5 - 13 yrs) and their parents > > participated. The first phase of the study was a baseline cognitive > > assessment. Children were then randomly assigned to one of two four- > > month treatment arms: Piracetam. Placebo or Placebo. Piracetam. > > Children were retested at the end of the two treatment phases. > > Children received 80-100 mg/kg piracetam per day in capsules. Placebo > > was administered in the same manner. Test Battery. The test battery > > included 16 tasks assessing attention, learning, memory, verbal > > fluency, perceptual and spatial abilities, processing speed, fine > > motor skills, and executive function. Both standardized and > > experimental tasks were included. Secondary outcome measures were > > questionnaires completed by parents and teachers at each of the three > > phases. Results. Eighteen children (7 - 13 yrs) completed the study, > > 5 withdrew, and 2 could not complete the battery at baseline testing. > > The mean mental age for the final sample was 4.2 ± .7 years (Stanford > > Binet). The 16 tasks yielded 75 measures and the parent and teacher > > questionnaires had 80 and 24 items, respectively. Piracetam did not > > show significant effects over placebo on any outcome measure. All > > significant interactions (p's < 0.05) with drug order or the > > covariate were examined further to ensure drug effects were not being > > masked. That analysis did not alter the results. Piracetam > > administration was associated with CNS stimulatory effects: > > aggressiveness (n=4), agitation (n =3), sexual arousal, (including > > masturbation in public, n=2), irritability (n=1), and poor sleep > > (n=1). Conclusion. Piracetam has received a great deal of attention > > in the popular press purporting its efficacy in improving cognitive > > function in children with Down Syndrome. In this study, we were > > unable to substantiate these claims, even at doses associated with > > adverse effects. Neither cognitive nor behavioural measures > > demonstrated improvement under piracetam. Due to the serious adverse > > effects, it is unlikely that larger doses can be tolerated. " > > ©1999 Pediatric Academic Societies > > > > Fialho J Dromia and Piracetam: a useful association in the treatment > > of Down syndrome. Tempo Medico 30:944, 1977. (The original was > > published in Spanish; an English version was reprinted in a book > > whose specifics are unknown to me.) 26 children with DS between 3 > > months and 12 years were given Dromia (mixture of pyriglutine and 5- > > hydroxytryptophan) alone, and then a combination of Dromia and > > Piracetam. The children were then evaluated based on their muscle > > tone, motor development, mental development, speech, affective-social > > development, scholastic achievement and EEG trace. The author > > concludes that the combination of the two drugs caused an improvement > > in all aspects, but especially speech. There were no side effects > > noted. (Unfortunately, this is a terrible study. There were no > > controlled subjects, the investigator does not tell how he evaluated > > the above categories and does not say if the subjects, parents, or > > investigators were " blinded " as to which children were getting one or > > both drugs.) > > > > An unpublished feasibility study was conducted in 1999 at the Kennedy > > Kriger Institute in Baltimore under the guidance of Dr. > > Capone. Five school-aged children with DS were given piracetam and > > compared to five children with DS not on piracetam. The piracetam was > > given at 100 mg/kg body weight per day. After six months, the > > children were assessed for auditory verbal memory, auditory non- > > verbal memory, visual memory, and spatial working memory. There were > > no statistically significant differences in the two groups. It should > > be noted that this was a study that was set up more to prove to the > > NIH that the study was doable and deserving to be funded on a large- > > scale basis rather than to prove whether to not piracetam had any > > measurable effects. A lack of funds kept this study from being > > carried out to a point where the research could be published. > > In 2002, Dr. Capone and his associates published their trial of > > piracetam on trisomy mice: The effects of piracetam on cognitive > > performance in a mouse model of Down's syndrome Physiology & Behavior > > 77: 403-409, 2002. > > > > " Piracetam is a nootropic agent that has been shown to improve > > cognitive performance in a number of animal model systems. Piracetam > > is reported to be used widely as a means of improving cognitive > > function in children with Down's syndrome (DS). In order to provide a > > preclinical assessment of the potential efficacy of piracetam, we > > examined the effects of a dose range of piracetam in the Ts65Dn mouse > > model of DS. Ts65Dn mice are trisomic for a region of mouse > > chromosome 16 with homology to human chromosome 21. Daily piracetam > > treatment at doses of 0, 75, 150, and 300 mg/kg ip was initiated in 6- > > week-old male Ts65Dn and euploid control mice. Following 4 weeks of > > treatment, mice were tested in the visible and hidden-platform > > components of the water maze and were placed overnight in > > computerized activity chambers to assess effects on overall activity. > > Piracetam treatment was continued through the 4 weeks of testing. In > > control mice, 75 and 150 mg/kg/day piracetam improved performance in > > both the visible- and hidden-platform tasks. Although low doses of > > piracetam reduced search time in the visible-platform component in > > Ts65Dn mice, all piracetam doses prevented trial-related improvements > > in performance in Ts65Dn mice. The 300-mg/kg/day-piracetam dose was > > associated with a reversal of the nocturnal spontaneous hyperactivity > > in Ts65Dn. These data do not provide support for piracetam treatment > > for individuals with DS. " > > > > Advocates of piracetam have argued that choline must also be > > supplemented with piracetam to get any effect, thus explaining the > > results of the Toronto and s Hopkins studies. The main basis for > > this belief are the following studies: > > > > Bartus RT et al. Profound effects of combining choline and piracetam > > on memory enhancement and cholinergic function in aged rats. > > Neurobiol Aging Summer;2(2):105-11, 1981. Rats given both choline and > > piracetam did better on a memory test than on choline or piracetam > > alone. > > > > Platel A et al. Habituation of exploratory activity in mice: effects > > of combinations of piracetam and choline on memory processes. > > Pharmacol Biochem Behav 21(2):209-12, 1984. Mice did better on memory > > of their environment with the combination of choline and piracetam > > than on either separately. > > > > Mosharrof AH & Petkov VD. Effects of citicholine and of the > > combination citicholine + piracetam on the memory. Acta Physiol > > Pharmacol Bulg 16(1):25-31, 1990. Mice did better with memory > > retention with the combination of citicholine and piracetam than the > > compounds separately. > > > > Friedman E et al. Clincal Response to choline plus piracetam in > > senile dementia: relation to red-cell choline levels. New Eng J Med > > 1981 Jun 11; 304(24): 1490-1. This is actually a " letter " rather than > > a full paper, and consisted giving 10 patients with presenile > > dementia piracetam and choline for 7 days in a non-controlled study. > > 3 of the 10 had " marked improvement " cognitively, but no description > > of the cognitive tests or whether the testing was blinded is > > mentioned. The 3 who responded had higher choline red blood cell > > levels than the 7 who didn't respond. > > > > However, other studies show a lack of usefulness of the combination: > > Ennaceur A & Delacour J. Effect of combined or separate > > administration of piracetam and choline on learning and memory in the > > rat. Psychopharmacology 92(1):58-67, 1987. Rats given choline alone > > did better than rats given piracetam alone on memory test, and rats > > given piracetam and choline together did worse than the other groups. > > Growdon JH et al. Piracetam combined with lecithin in the treatment > > of Alzheimer's disease. Neurobiol of Aging 7:269-276, 1986. Piracetam > > was administered alone or with lecithin (phosphatidylcholine) in a > > double-blinded test. No effect was seen, with or without lecithin, on > > cognition or memory test scores. > > > > Corona GL et al. Clinical and biochemical responses to therapy in > > Alzheimer's disease and multi-infarct dementia. Eur. Arch. Psychiatr. > > Neurol. Sci. 239:79-86, 1989. Patients with either AD or multi- > > infarct dementia were given either piracetam or piracetam with > > choline. This was not paired with placebos. Despite biochemical > > changes, there was no change in memory performance. > > It should be noted that the maker of piracetam, UCB Pharma, has never > > incorporated choline as part of any of its research on humans with > > Alzhemier's disease or myoclonus. > > > > http://www.ds- <http://www.ds-health.com/piracet.htm> > health.com/piracet.htm > > > > Piracetam Frequently Asked Questions > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- > > Piracetam's (2-oxo-1-pyrrolidine acetamide) earliest use in Down > > syndrome was in Spain and Portugal in 1974 in a comparative study, > > using historic case controls, of Dromia (a 5-hydroxytryptophan > > containing product) and Noostan (a brand of Piracetam) in 26 children > > from age 3 months to 12 years of age (Fialho, 1977). > > > > Piracetam is a cyclic derivative of GABA (gamma amino butyric acid, a > > neurotransmitter) and enhances cognition under conditions of hypoxia > > (lack of oxygen), enhances memory and some kinds of learning in non- > > disabled persons, mitigates oxidative stress, returns fluidity to > > brain membranes that have undergone hardening from lipid peroxidation > > and allows for increased communication between the hemispheres of the > > brain. It is reported to be an intelligent booster and a CNS (central > > nervous system) stimulant with no known toxicity or addictive > > properties. Its effects and safety are so impressive that piracetam > > prompted the creation of a new pharmaceutical category called > > nootropics. > > > > Piracetam is available by mail overseas or by prescription in the USA > > from a compounding pharmacy. > > > > Piracetam is not FDA approved for OTC (over the counter) sale and has > > been granted an orphan status in the USA. As of June of 2006, > > piracetam is not regulated in the United States (it is neither a > > controlled substance nor a prescription drug). > > > > The Piracetam NDC code for insurance purposes is 38779017725. > > > > Piracetam and Seizures > > > > Piracetam is an anticonvulsant. There are no know medical reports > > supporting the link between Piracetam and seizures. Infantile spasms > > are common in Down syndrome. > > > > Piracetam and Coumadin > > > > Piracetam can cause lack of adhesion of platelets which can affect > > clotting. > > > > When a patient is on Coumadin therapy due to valve replacement, > > Coumadin levels will need to be adjusted if the patient is on > > Piracetam. > > > > Piracetam and Surgery > > > > Piracetam should be doubled 72 hours prior to surgery and removed 48 > > hours before the surgery is scheduled because of its blood thinning > > properties. Because Piracetam increases acetylcholine receptors, it > > allows the brain to handle the effects of anesthesia and cholinergic > > drugs better, like atropine and scopalamine, that are given as part > > of pre-operation medications. Resume Piracetam as soon as patient is > > home. > > > > Piracetam and Flying > > > > Piracetam has the capability of maintaining high oxygen levels in the > > brain even under periods of low oxygen stress such as flying. > > Pressurized planes have periods of low partial pressure of oxygen due > > to altitude. In addition, aircrafts are typically only pressurized to > > the equivalent of 8,000-9,000 feet altitude, i.e., there is less > > oxygen for a child that has a heart condition impairing oxygenation. > > Increase Piracetam dosage by 50% the day before and the day of > > flying. > > > > Piracetam and Phosphocholine > > > > Choline is necessary because one of the major effects of Piracetam is > > the stimulation of increased numbers of acetylcholine receptors. > > Without choline this step is inefficient and choline should be given > > in conjunction with Piracetam within 8 hour timespan. A dosage of 250 > > mg of phosphocholine for every 20 pounds of weight, up to 800 mg, in > > conjunction with Piracetam, is recommended for persons not on > > NuTriVene-D®. The dosage can be doubled for adults up to 1600 mg. > > Phosphocholine, also known as Phosphatidyl Choline or Lecithin, is > > available from most health food stores. > > > > Piracetam and Glutamate > > > > While glutaminergic receptors are increased in Down syndrome [Arai, > > Mizuguchi, & Takashima, 1996. Excessive glutamate receptor 1 > > immunoreactivity in adult Down syndrome brains. Pediatric Neurology, > > 15, 203-6] there is no evidence that Piracetam stimulates > > glutaminergic receptors to any great extent. Their main stimulus is > > on acetylcholine receptors. > > > > Withdrawing Piracetam > > > > Do not stop any drug that has psychotropic effects abruptly: first > > reduce the dose of Piracetam by half for 2 days, then drop a dose > > each day, until it is eliminated. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- > > Source: http://www.altonweb > <http://www.altonweb.com/cs/downsyndrome/piracefa.html> > .com/cs/downsyndrome/piracefa.html > > > > 1. Cognitive Enhancement Research Institute Revised: October 20, > > 2006. > > 2. Lawrence G. Leichtman, M.D. FAAP, FACMG. Genetics and Disabilities > > Diagnostic Care Center > > > > http://www.altonweb > <http://www.altonweb.com/cs/downsyndrome/index.htm?page=piracefa.html> > .com/cs/downsyndrome/index.htm?page=piracefa.html > > > > ===== > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 By the way, the piracetam does not smell like gasoline. That is the phosphdital choline that smells like gasoline. Perhaps you should ask Dr. Weil what that does? By the way, the FDA issues a drug for use and then pulls it after they find it is causing issues...sort of like innocent until proven guilty. Just wanted to share! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Just a note: I have to say, lest we forget, a large amount of protocols that we discuss on this board are questionable .... Maybe not to those posting but definitely to those on the outside-looking-in. So, the question is, are we intelligent enough to do our own research and make the decision on what yeast protocol to use, chelation method to try, what supplement to use for attention, what method to use for oxygenation and so on. My answer is Yes. AND, if we don't know, we come to this board and ask questions. My 2 cents, S. From: Krissy <scraphappykrissy@...> Subject: [ ] Re: Piracetam - OK got curious -some stuff I found out about it Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 7:02 PM Janice, Dr. Weil is a very well known dr and author who is into very natural things..and optimal health and healing for your body.. integrative medicine is his field I believe....he' s not just a Dr. Who...many people know and trust him and his work and opinions. And he was just not making comments, he was offering sound advice and research from experience. I was not coming down on your choices or others....just posting another view and wishing you all well........ .....but as for me and my child: we will not choose to use something that smells like gasoline and to get off of it is tricky??? Just as I wont choose other journeys that other moms have taken...which is ok, we all do what we think is best for OUR kids. I was in no way judging any of you...I was wishing you all well on your choices. For me, using something as powerful as this, and it is not FDA approved,you have to get it overseas and it is a serious serious drug...I can not do it but as I said I wish you well if you choose this. Just like if gf/cf is not for you....or chelating is not for you, etc etc.... > > > > 2 articles about this drug...did those of you that give this stuff to > > your kids know that you can't just stop it -you have to reduce a drop > > at a time -and that there may be changes in dosages around the dates > > of a flight?! I'm sure there's much more out there on this stuff or > > what Dr. Leshin calls " a drug in search of a disease. " > > > > Piracetam and Down syndrome > > Summary by Len Leshin, MD, FAAP > > > > Piracetam is what I refer to as " a drug in search of a disease. " A > > best-selling drug in Europe and Japan, a large portion of sales is to > > normal adults looking for cognitive enhancement. It is not a drug of > > first choice for any disease process yet, though current research is > > looking into myoclonus, sickle cell disease, stroke and Raynaud > > syndrome. > > > > Piracetam became a controversial topic in the mid-1990s when a > > parent group began advocating its use for Down syndrome. There was > > notable publicity due to two ABC news shows about it and internet > > advocacy on the part of the parent group. However, the company > > licensing it, UCB Pharma in Belgium, has discouraged its use in > > children with Down syndrome. In July 1998, UCB Pharma specifically > > denied all rumors that it will fund or has plans to fund any study > > with children with Down syndrome in the United States or elsewhere. > > Many advocates of its use in Down syndrome claim that UCB Pharma's > > reluctance stems more from economic motives than scientific; however, > > UCB Pharma has obtained " orphan drug " status for piracetam in the US, > > and is currently planning a controlled trial of piracetam and > > myoclonus in the US. If given approval by the FDA for myoclonus, UCB > > Pharma would have several years of exclusivity of the drug in the > > US. > > > > I have listed below the studies that involve children with Down > > syndrome. I have a separate page for other research on piracetam. > > > > Lobaugh NJ et al. Piracetam does not enhance cognitive abilities in > > moderate to high-functioning 7 to 13 year-old children with Down > > syndrome. Presented at the PAS/SPR meeting in San Francisco May 3, > > 1999; published in Archives of Ped and Adol Med, April 2001, 155 > > (4):442-448. > > > > " Piracetam, a drug reported to enhance cognitive performance in many > > neurobehavioural conditions, has become popular in the treatment of > > children with Down Syndrome (DS). However, reports of its efficacy in > > DS have been anecdotal, not from evidence-based studies. Some > > caregivers have noted no effect of piracetam, while others claim > > substantial improvement in cognitive functioning. To address the need > > for objective analysis, we conducted a double-blind placebo- > > controlled crossover study assessing the cognitive and behavioral > > effects of piracetam in children with DS. Patients and Study Design. > > Children with DS (n = 25, 13 males, 6.5 - 13 yrs) and their parents > > participated. The first phase of the study was a baseline cognitive > > assessment. Children were then randomly assigned to one of two four- > > month treatment arms: Piracetam. Placebo or Placebo. Piracetam. > > Children were retested at the end of the two treatment phases. > > Children received 80-100 mg/kg piracetam per day in capsules. Placebo > > was administered in the same manner. Test Battery. The test battery > > included 16 tasks assessing attention, learning, memory, verbal > > fluency, perceptual and spatial abilities, processing speed, fine > > motor skills, and executive function. Both standardized and > > experimental tasks were included. Secondary outcome measures were > > questionnaires completed by parents and teachers at each of the three > > phases. Results. Eighteen children (7 - 13 yrs) completed the study, > > 5 withdrew, and 2 could not complete the battery at baseline testing. > > The mean mental age for the final sample was 4.2 ± .7 years (Stanford > > Binet). The 16 tasks yielded 75 measures and the parent and teacher > > questionnaires had 80 and 24 items, respectively. Piracetam did not > > show significant effects over placebo on any outcome measure. All > > significant interactions (p's < 0.05) with drug order or the > > covariate were examined further to ensure drug effects were not being > > masked. That analysis did not alter the results. Piracetam > > administration was associated with CNS stimulatory effects: > > aggressiveness (n=4), agitation (n =3), sexual arousal, (including > > masturbation in public, n=2), irritability (n=1), and poor sleep > > (n=1). Conclusion. Piracetam has received a great deal of attention > > in the popular press purporting its efficacy in improving cognitive > > function in children with Down Syndrome. In this study, we were > > unable to substantiate these claims, even at doses associated with > > adverse effects. Neither cognitive nor behavioural measures > > demonstrated improvement under piracetam. Due to the serious adverse > > effects, it is unlikely that larger doses can be tolerated. " > > ©1999 Pediatric Academic Societies > > > > Fialho J Dromia and Piracetam: a useful association in the treatment > > of Down syndrome. Tempo Medico 30:944, 1977. (The original was > > published in Spanish; an English version was reprinted in a book > > whose specifics are unknown to me.) 26 children with DS between 3 > > months and 12 years were given Dromia (mixture of pyriglutine and 5- > > hydroxytryptophan) alone, and then a combination of Dromia and > > Piracetam. The children were then evaluated based on their muscle > > tone, motor development, mental development, speech, affective-social > > development, scholastic achievement and EEG trace. The author > > concludes that the combination of the two drugs caused an improvement > > in all aspects, but especially speech. There were no side effects > > noted. (Unfortunately, this is a terrible study. There were no > > controlled subjects, the investigator does not tell how he evaluated > > the above categories and does not say if the subjects, parents, or > > investigators were " blinded " as to which children were getting one or > > both drugs.) > > > > An unpublished feasibility study was conducted in 1999 at the Kennedy > > Kriger Institute in Baltimore under the guidance of Dr. > > Capone. Five school-aged children with DS were given piracetam and > > compared to five children with DS not on piracetam. The piracetam was > > given at 100 mg/kg body weight per day. After six months, the > > children were assessed for auditory verbal memory, auditory non- > > verbal memory, visual memory, and spatial working memory. There were > > no statistically significant differences in the two groups. It should > > be noted that this was a study that was set up more to prove to the > > NIH that the study was doable and deserving to be funded on a large- > > scale basis rather than to prove whether to not piracetam had any > > measurable effects. A lack of funds kept this study from being > > carried out to a point where the research could be published. > > In 2002, Dr. Capone and his associates published their trial of > > piracetam on trisomy mice: The effects of piracetam on cognitive > > performance in a mouse model of Down's syndrome Physiology & Behavior > > 77: 403-409, 2002. > > > > " Piracetam is a nootropic agent that has been shown to improve > > cognitive performance in a number of animal model systems. Piracetam > > is reported to be used widely as a means of improving cognitive > > function in children with Down's syndrome (DS). In order to provide a > > preclinical assessment of the potential efficacy of piracetam, we > > examined the effects of a dose range of piracetam in the Ts65Dn mouse > > model of DS. Ts65Dn mice are trisomic for a region of mouse > > chromosome 16 with homology to human chromosome 21. Daily piracetam > > treatment at doses of 0, 75, 150, and 300 mg/kg ip was initiated in 6- > > week-old male Ts65Dn and euploid control mice. Following 4 weeks of > > treatment, mice were tested in the visible and hidden-platform > > components of the water maze and were placed overnight in > > computerized activity chambers to assess effects on overall activity. > > Piracetam treatment was continued through the 4 weeks of testing. In > > control mice, 75 and 150 mg/kg/day piracetam improved performance in > > both the visible- and hidden-platform tasks. Although low doses of > > piracetam reduced search time in the visible-platform component in > > Ts65Dn mice, all piracetam doses prevented trial-related improvements > > in performance in Ts65Dn mice. The 300-mg/kg/day- piracetam dose was > > associated with a reversal of the nocturnal spontaneous hyperactivity > > in Ts65Dn. These data do not provide support for piracetam treatment > > for individuals with DS. " > > > > Advocates of piracetam have argued that choline must also be > > supplemented with piracetam to get any effect, thus explaining the > > results of the Toronto and s Hopkins studies. The main basis for > > this belief are the following studies: > > > > Bartus RT et al. Profound effects of combining choline and piracetam > > on memory enhancement and cholinergic function in aged rats. > > Neurobiol Aging Summer;2(2): 105-11, 1981. Rats given both choline and > > piracetam did better on a memory test than on choline or piracetam > > alone. > > > > Platel A et al. Habituation of exploratory activity in mice: effects > > of combinations of piracetam and choline on memory processes. > > Pharmacol Biochem Behav 21(2):209-12, 1984. Mice did better on memory > > of their environment with the combination of choline and piracetam > > than on either separately. > > > > Mosharrof AH & Petkov VD. Effects of citicholine and of the > > combination citicholine + piracetam on the memory. Acta Physiol > > Pharmacol Bulg 16(1):25-31, 1990. Mice did better with memory > > retention with the combination of citicholine and piracetam than the > > compounds separately. > > > > Friedman E et al. Clincal Response to choline plus piracetam in > > senile dementia: relation to red-cell choline levels. New Eng J Med > > 1981 Jun 11; 304(24): 1490-1. This is actually a " letter " rather than > > a full paper, and consisted giving 10 patients with presenile > > dementia piracetam and choline for 7 days in a non-controlled study. > > 3 of the 10 had " marked improvement " cognitively, but no description > > of the cognitive tests or whether the testing was blinded is > > mentioned. The 3 who responded had higher choline red blood cell > > levels than the 7 who didn't respond. > > > > However, other studies show a lack of usefulness of the combination: > > Ennaceur A & Delacour J. Effect of combined or separate > > administration of piracetam and choline on learning and memory in the > > rat. Psychopharmacology 92(1):58-67, 1987. Rats given choline alone > > did better than rats given piracetam alone on memory test, and rats > > given piracetam and choline together did worse than the other groups. > > Growdon JH et al. Piracetam combined with lecithin in the treatment > > of Alzheimer's disease. Neurobiol of Aging 7:269-276, 1986. Piracetam > > was administered alone or with lecithin (phosphatidylcholin e) in a > > double-blinded test. No effect was seen, with or without lecithin, on > > cognition or memory test scores. > > > > Corona GL et al. Clinical and biochemical responses to therapy in > > Alzheimer's disease and multi-infarct dementia. Eur. Arch. Psychiatr. > > Neurol. Sci. 239:79-86, 1989. Patients with either AD or multi- > > infarct dementia were given either piracetam or piracetam with > > choline. This was not paired with placebos. Despite biochemical > > changes, there was no change in memory performance. > > It should be noted that the maker of piracetam, UCB Pharma, has never > > incorporated choline as part of any of its research on humans with > > Alzhemier's disease or myoclonus. > > > > http://www.ds- health.com/ piracet.htm > > > > Piracetam Frequently Asked Questions > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > ---------- > > Piracetam's (2-oxo-1-pyrrolidin e acetamide) earliest use in Down > > syndrome was in Spain and Portugal in 1974 in a comparative study, > > using historic case controls, of Dromia (a 5-hydroxytryptophan > > containing product) and Noostan (a brand of Piracetam) in 26 children > > from age 3 months to 12 years of age (Fialho, 1977). > > > > Piracetam is a cyclic derivative of GABA (gamma amino butyric acid, a > > neurotransmitter) and enhances cognition under conditions of hypoxia > > (lack of oxygen), enhances memory and some kinds of learning in non- > > disabled persons, mitigates oxidative stress, returns fluidity to > > brain membranes that have undergone hardening from lipid peroxidation > > and allows for increased communication between the hemispheres of the > > brain. It is reported to be an intelligent booster and a CNS (central > > nervous system) stimulant with no known toxicity or addictive > > properties. Its effects and safety are so impressive that piracetam > > prompted the creation of a new pharmaceutical category called > > nootropics. > > > > Piracetam is available by mail overseas or by prescription in the USA > > from a compounding pharmacy. > > > > Piracetam is not FDA approved for OTC (over the counter) sale and has > > been granted an orphan status in the USA. As of June of 2006, > > piracetam is not regulated in the United States (it is neither a > > controlled substance nor a prescription drug). > > > > The Piracetam NDC code for insurance purposes is 38779017725. > > > > Piracetam and Seizures > > > > Piracetam is an anticonvulsant. There are no know medical reports > > supporting the link between Piracetam and seizures. Infantile spasms > > are common in Down syndrome. > > > > Piracetam and Coumadin > > > > Piracetam can cause lack of adhesion of platelets which can affect > > clotting. > > > > When a patient is on Coumadin therapy due to valve replacement, > > Coumadin levels will need to be adjusted if the patient is on > > Piracetam. > > > > Piracetam and Surgery > > > > Piracetam should be doubled 72 hours prior to surgery and removed 48 > > hours before the surgery is scheduled because of its blood thinning > > properties. Because Piracetam increases acetylcholine receptors, it > > allows the brain to handle the effects of anesthesia and cholinergic > > drugs better, like atropine and scopalamine, that are given as part > > of pre-operation medications. Resume Piracetam as soon as patient is > > home. > > > > Piracetam and Flying > > > > Piracetam has the capability of maintaining high oxygen levels in the > > brain even under periods of low oxygen stress such as flying. > > Pressurized planes have periods of low partial pressure of oxygen due > > to altitude. In addition, aircrafts are typically only pressurized to > > the equivalent of 8,000-9,000 feet altitude, i.e., there is less > > oxygen for a child that has a heart condition impairing oxygenation. > > Increase Piracetam dosage by 50% the day before and the day of > > flying. > > > > Piracetam and Phosphocholine > > > > Choline is necessary because one of the major effects of Piracetam is > > the stimulation of increased numbers of acetylcholine receptors. > > Without choline this step is inefficient and choline should be given > > in conjunction with Piracetam within 8 hour timespan. A dosage of 250 > > mg of phosphocholine for every 20 pounds of weight, up to 800 mg, in > > conjunction with Piracetam, is recommended for persons not on > > NuTriVene-D®. The dosage can be doubled for adults up to 1600 mg. > > Phosphocholine, also known as Phosphatidyl Choline or Lecithin, is > > available from most health food stores. > > > > Piracetam and Glutamate > > > > While glutaminergic receptors are increased in Down syndrome [Arai, > > Mizuguchi, & Takashima, 1996. Excessive glutamate receptor 1 > > immunoreactivity in adult Down syndrome brains. Pediatric Neurology, > > 15, 203-6] there is no evidence that Piracetam stimulates > > glutaminergic receptors to any great extent. Their main stimulus is > > on acetylcholine receptors. > > > > Withdrawing Piracetam > > > > Do not stop any drug that has psychotropic effects abruptly: first > > reduce the dose of Piracetam by half for 2 days, then drop a dose > > each day, until it is eliminated. > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > ---------- > > Source: http://www.altonweb .com/cs/downsynd rome/piracefa. html > > > > 1. Cognitive Enhancement Research Institute Revised: October 20, > > 2006. > > 2. Lawrence G. Leichtman, M.D. FAAP, FACMG. Genetics and Disabilities > > Diagnostic Care Center > > > > http://www.altonweb .com/cs/downsynd rome/index. htm?page= piracefa. html > > > > ===== > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 LOL!! I actually went and smelled mine just to be sure it doesn't. From: Colleen Somerville <colleen.somerville@...> Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Piracetam - OK got curious -some stuff I found out about it Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 7:46 PM By the way, the piracetam does not smell like gasoline. That is the phosphdital choline that smells like gasoline. Perhaps you should ask Dr. Weil what that does? By the way, the FDA issues a drug for use and then pulls it after they find it is causing issues...sort of like innocent until proven guilty. Just wanted to share! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 I agree we always need to ask questions. Thing is that more and more here are going into medications or other alternatives based on advice of some professional and did they themselves find the research on any down side? New people that we all know are a bit desperate jump. And at times some of us that should know better fell for something we later regretted based on trust of others. I'm guilty of it myself with the speak as I trusted -I will never let that happen again. Don't trust what I say or anyone else here without looking into it yourself with your doctors just like you said . But you say " a large amount of protocols that we discuss on this board are questionable " A large amount? To me it seems the on going as well as recent complaint is that a handful here have seem to forgotten the classic therapy and basic advice we've known to work for years in light of treatments for autism. I'd love some of these parents to try to stop the fish oils and just use all the other stuff -like this piracetam and all the other stuff I can't pronouce including all the nacd therapies I never heard of before. Take away everything else and the one and only thing that my son can't be without is the fish oils. And before I hear from the one or two of you that say " Well your son is different and " many " of our children need to use lots more " Whatever. Just because there's a handful here that posts more often than the rest doesn't mean there's more of you. And just because a small amount of something (like the small amount of vitamin E in the fish oils) is great -doesn't mean you want to overdose your child on it. Too much water you drown. It used to be most of the information here was cutting edge but respected. I'd like to see that again and would rather people post stuff with research links -not just opinions from " Joe the nutritionist " ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 " What we have seen is autism untreated. " Jepson. Same can be said for apraxia. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Re: New people that we all know are a bit desperate jump. This is so sad. As someone whose child sounds like he was a lot of the little ones here, hypotonic, limited babble, etc., I investigated A LOT. I saw specialists. Many. Nobody could tell me what it was nor could they tell me why what I was doing was working. What I did was a diet and a rotation to check for allergens, the periodic epsom salt bath and calcium bath. Turns out my kid had such acidosis he was growing into an arthritic condition among other things and that ws the last thing that is truly on the mend. I cannot tell you how grateful I am for that. I am still looking because whether you want to design the conversations as this " pure verbal apraxia versus not " many kids grow into stuff. Hand issues, can't snap buttons, etc. My kid unfortunately got hit hard from the beginning with that and I was not going to watch it get worse. The therapists took us where they could get him and left me shrugging shoulders. I was not going to sit back and wait for a worsening of the condition. My kid is not every kid and neither is yours. My kid is a barometer of the future for he is 3. He shares excess aluminum vaccines among oher things with the little guys on this board. He is currently in mainstream preK, no supports, talking and doing well. His grandpa, 70, with issues that mirror those in our kids, has benefited greatly from the more alternative discussions on this board. All of this, done for grandpa and my boy, involved dr. and nutritional consults. I'd do it that way again because they went to school for this and I did not but the sad truth is nobody knew much. If anything the therapists were the most help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 But you say " a large amount of protocols that we discuss on this board are questionable " A large amount? <<-- Yes but remember I said questionable to those on the outside-looking-in. AND, when it's questionable to those in this group, that's when the debates start .... which is an extremely good thing. There are a lot of threads that I don't comment on but research all the same just to see if we fit into the criteria. Some methods I agree with and some methogs I don't; what's key is, if I wasn't apart of this group where parents ask questions and introduce new things for discussion, I would still have my head in the sand.-->> To me it seems the on going as well as recent complaint is that a handful here have seem to forgotten the classic therapy and basic advice we've known to work for years in light of treatments for autism. <<-- But what do you do when classic therapy doesn't work anymore? Or better yet, is not enough anymore. When we first started, we followed the DAN! template for supplementation and diet and we had Huge gains but then we got " stuck " so I had to find a way to go to the next level. I think that is what's happening with other parents also. I'd love some of these parents to try to stop the fish oils and just use all the other stuff -like this piracetam and all the other stuff I can't pronouce including all the nacd therapies I never heard of before. Take away everything else and the one and only thing that my son can't be without is the fish oils. And before I hear from the one or two of you that say " Well your son is different and " many " of our children need to use lots more " Whatever. Just because there's a handful here that posts more often than the rest doesn't mean there's more of you. And just because a small amount of something (like the small amount of vitamin E in the fish oils) is great -doesn't mean you want to overdose your child on it. Too much water you drown. <<-- You know, as inexpensive as fish oil, I wish that was all we needed. (smile) But, it simply is not the answer for us. It used to be most of the information here was cutting edge but respected. I'd like to see that again and would rather people post stuff with research links -not just opinions from " Joe the nutritionist " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 For us.... we have dropped the fish oils for several months now and do not notice any difference whatsoever. BUT.... in my household..... we still 'need' the dietary enzymes! So.... for some it is the fish oils but not all. I think that if you cannot function the same without fish oils as with them.... then you seriously need to look at your child's digestion and determine 'WHY' the child is unable to get his vital nutrients from his diet. For my son, now that we have brought his nutrient status up to normal... i.e.. everything he was previously 'severely' deficient in... those are now at normal levels AND now that we have healed his tummy... he can function the SAME without any of the basic nutritional supplements as WITH them. So, we don't supplement them any longer. The only thing that we continue to supplement is l-carnitine and other immune boosting supplements but Vitamins A-E plus EFA's are good to go and my boys' body is now taking them in and digesting his food properly. Hopefully this will continue. This is important because I don't think any of us believe that our college bound kids are really going to be taking those fish oils every day.... yeah, right they are! So... we want to locate the 'underlying' issue and ensure that we heal this BEFORE they grow up. This is our 'current' experience right now.... tummy healed.... still working on immune system! Note that if your child is currently consuming trans fats, these should be removed from the diet. No hydrogenated 'anything'. Trans fats block the absorption of good fats rendering our kids deficient. My doctor indicates that it takes about 1 year to get those trans fats out of the body and sure enough.... it has taken pretty much that long to get them out of Mark. Janice Mother of Mark, 13 [sPAM]Re: [ ] Re: Piracetam - OK got curious -some stuff I found out about it But you say " a large amount of protocols that we discuss on this board are questionable " A large amount? <<-- Yes but remember I said questionable to those on the outside-looking-in. AND, when it's questionable to those in this group, that's when the debates start .... which is an extremely good thing. There are a lot of threads that I don't comment on but research all the same just to see if we fit into the criteria. Some methods I agree with and some methogs I don't; what's key is, if I wasn't apart of this group where parents ask questions and introduce new things for discussion, I would still have my head in the sand.-->> To me it seems the on going as well as recent complaint is that a handful here have seem to forgotten the classic therapy and basic advice we've known to work for years in light of treatments for autism. <<-- But what do you do when classic therapy doesn't work anymore? Or better yet, is not enough anymore. When we first started, we followed the DAN! template for supplementation and diet and we had Huge gains but then we got " stuck " so I had to find a way to go to the next level. I think that is what's happening with other parents also. I'd love some of these parents to try to stop the fish oils and just use all the other stuff -like this piracetam and all the other stuff I can't pronouce including all the nacd therapies I never heard of before. Take away everything else and the one and only thing that my son can't be without is the fish oils. And before I hear from the one or two of you that say " Well your son is different and " many " of our children need to use lots more " Whatever. Just because there's a handful here that posts more often than the rest doesn't mean there's more of you. And just because a small amount of something (like the small amount of vitamin E in the fish oils) is great -doesn't mean you want to overdose your child on it. Too much water you drown. <<-- You know, as inexpensive as fish oil, I wish that was all we needed. (smile) But, it simply is not the answer for us. It used to be most of the information here was cutting edge but respected. I'd like to see that again and would rather people post stuff with research links -not just opinions from " Joe the nutritionist " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Brialliant, Janice, Brilliant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Were you able to find a GF carnitine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 I don't even know.... We don't need to worry about being GF as Mark has lost his sensitivity to gluten and it is no longer a problem. I think that most of the supplements that I buy are free of the top ten allergens..... We use a Carlson's Brand carnitine so I would think that it is GF Liz. Janice [sPAM][ ] Re: Piracetam - OK got curious -some stuff I found out about it Were you able to find a GF carnitine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Support groups are supposed to be for support!!!!! I'm fairly new to this group, but this (original) email bothers me. It has an " us " vs. " them " feel to it instead of truly supporting one another. I believe that we are all in this boat together - to help our children with apraxia (+) to reach their fullest potential and to " carry those who can't carry themselves " during those hard or discouraging times. I have so appreciated the ADVICE/INFORMATION that I have gotten here - nobody has ORDERED me to do anything (or ostracized me for being stupid because I disagreed with them) and I do have a brain to research various ideas or therapies (or whatever) that has been posted here. I, personally, am open to new ideas or opinions - I don't have to believe in them or follow the ideas, but I would like to know what has worked for other people and have the opportunity to research it myself and to make my own decisions! It is called Freedom!!!!! Do we want censorship of this site and who's going to do the censoring? I believe that we need to get back to respecting one another, whether we believe what they believe or not. If you disagree with a post, and you feel strong enough about it to put in a rubuttal, I believe that you should do so, but it can be done respectfully without put downs or humiliating someone. I've seen too many people say that they are going to be lurkers only lately - anybody have a clue as to why? Hmmmm...... A gentle answer turns away wrath (a verse from the Bible) - a word of wisdom!!! I hope I'm not " in trouble now " . Blessings and Love to You ALL ********************************************************************************\ *********************************************************************** Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 14:27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 I use Now brand 100% pure Acetyl L Carnitine powder. It has nothing else added and is wonderful. Now brand also makes 100% pure powder L Carnitine. This supplement has made a huge difference in my boys in many ways! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 May be a dumb question...but why would there be any difference if your child is on fish oil or not if your child is one of the few that " has never been a responder either way to the fish oil " as you say? Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:05 pm <jscott@...> " My son has never been a responder either way to the fish oil but we use it anyway since it has such wonderful anti-inflammatory properties. In addition, Mark has that bone straight hair, dry skin and white spots on finger nails which seems to be indicative of an EFA deficiency. " ~~~~~~~~~~~~~end of archive from Jancice For my son and most others -the fish oils are 'it' To me that's better then the gasoline smelling drug route. ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 , It has to do with 'testing' out deficient. He 'tested' out extremely deficient in all 3, 6 and 9 as well as many other nutrients; and the differences were there just not readily apparent. It took four months to get his body stores up to a level where he lost the fatigue issues that he had..... same issue, different presentation. But no, I didn't pop a pill in his mouth to have him respond with the same immediacy as the younger children. I still will watch him to see if the fatigue issues come back and we will test for nutritional deficiency yet again in February to ensure that he can, indeed, absorb nutrients properly..... so not quite out of the woods yet.... but very hopeful! And I believe that it DOES matter and that we need to address the underlying issue of 'WHY " our kids are not able to get their nutrients from food...... That needs to be the goal otherwise our kids are 'stuck' on supplements forever and that is not a complete solution to me. Janice Mother of Mark, 13 [sPAM][ ] Re: Piracetam - OK got curious -some stuff I found out about it May be a dumb question...but why would there be any difference if your child is on fish oil or not if your child is one of the few that " has never been a responder either way to the fish oil " as you say? Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:05 pm <jscott@...> " My son has never been a responder either way to the fish oil but we use it anyway since it has such wonderful anti-inflammatory properties. In addition, Mark has that bone straight hair, dry skin and white spots on finger nails which seems to be indicative of an EFA deficiency. " ~~~~~~~~~~~~~end of archive from Jancice For my son and most others -the fish oils are 'it' To me that's better then the gasoline smelling drug route. ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 VERY well said!!!!!! I only ask questions usually and every once in a while I will reply to something that is posted. But for the most part I lurk. Many many times I have started to post and then thought better of it cause I didn't want to start thread that goes wrong!!!! I think we all know what are hot button issus that really are an " us " vs. " them " . And we all know there are these issues. Vaccines vs. No Vaccines. Fish oil responder vs. Non Fis oil responder. Speak works vs. Anti Speak. And I think I could go on and on. But we all do not have to believe the same thing to want the same thing, healthy happy kids!!!! I hope that everyone has a great Holiday Season and may all of our kids have huge gains in the New Year!!!!! Rock Valley, IA From: Vander Vere <loveisfosteringhere@...> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Piracetam - OK got curious -some stuff I found out about it Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 11:02 PM Support groups are supposed to be for support!!!!! I'm fairly new to this group, but this (original) email bothers me. It has an " us " vs. " them " feel to it instead of truly supporting one another. I believe that we are all in this boat together - to help our children with apraxia (+) to reach their fullest potential and to " carry those who can't carry themselves " during those hard or discouraging times. I have so appreciated the ADVICE/INFORMATION that I have gotten here - nobody has ORDERED me to do anything (or ostracized me for being stupid because I disagreed with them) and I do have a brain to research various ideas or therapies (or whatever) that has been posted here. I, personally, am open to new ideas or opinions - I don't have to believe in them or follow the ideas, but I would like to know what has worked for other people and have the opportunity to research it myself and to make my own decisions! It is called Freedom!!!!! Do we want censorship of this site and who's going to do the censoring? I believe that we need to get back to respecting one another, whether we believe what they believe or not. If you disagree with a post, and you feel strong enough about it to put in a rubuttal, I believe that you should do so, but it can be done respectfully without put downs or humiliating someone. I've seen too many people say that they are going to be lurkers only lately - anybody have a clue as to why? Hmmmm...... A gentle answer turns away wrath (a verse from the Bible) - a word of wisdom!!! I hope I'm not " in trouble now " . Blessings and Love to You ALL ********************************************************************************\ *********************************************************************** Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 14:27 ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Phosphatidyl Choline is not a drug. It is a very important supplement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 I wonder how many Moms have had their child tested for low zinc? went to an allergist as she had contact dermatitis when eating ranch dressing and also seemed to have a lot of sinus infections. Tests came back that she had low IgG subclass 2 and 4 and low IgA..and a high sensitivity to dustmites.well I jumped on the internet and panicked that she may have ataxia telangiectasia as she does have some other issues that go with this ..well to make a long story short the neurologist in Miami Childrens Hosp said no she does not have that but her other issues warrant follow up with an immunologist. which led us to checking her zinc levels.. we are awaiting the results and I will get back within the next week with the results.. The allergist said go ahead and supplement and in 2 days the sore she had in her mouth was gone and she is feeling so much better without the usual fatigue..The only thing he said is to balance the zinc with 2 mg of copper which we are doing. Roxanne PS white spots on finger nails can be signs of zinc deficiency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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