Re: Suddenly drooling?

[Guest guest]

have your tried the 2 ProEFA and 1 ProEPA mix without any

extra vitamin E? What do you mean by saying " we've been doing a

cross between NN and speak every day "

My son and a few others had a horrible regressions and other negative

side effects on speak. We as a group know nothing about vitamin E in

the megadosages contained in speak -not to mention the high vitamin K

it contains too. I was told that speak's E/K was not made based on what we

found success with in this group by the company that made it.

Here's an answer to sudden drooling from Mothering.com Not saying

this is the reason but just keep it in mind when you call the

pediatrician/ENT to question this. That's what I would do anyway.

~~~~~~~~~~~from mothering.com

" My son went through this. He is over-all slightly low muscle tone

though and he has a metabolic condition that relates to that. When he

was drooling he was actually (we think) losing muscle tone and when

we started another treatment for his metabolic condition it went away

nearly immediately.

http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=611227

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[Guest guest]

,

I had 2 kids..... both droolers, different problems.

My NT child used to soak up bib after bib..... she drenched her clothes, her

drooling was so bad. She also began to present with speech delays. We took her

to the ENT and had the tonsils yanked, ear tubes put in and her adenoids (which

were enormous) pulled. The ENT indicated that if these items were kept in, it

would compromise her development so 'everything' got done. It stopped all of my

daughters issues in its tracks. She still needed another year of speech therapy

but no longer then that. Tonight she is starring in a series of one-act plays

at the school, is in speech club and just an all round regular, great grades,

completely NT high school student. I have no doubt that if this were not done

for her she would have some pretty severe developmental delays today.

My dyspraxic boy, however, was also a drooler. In his EI, they spent a lot of

time 'teaching' him to swallow the excessive saliva that was in his mouth. He

was very low-sensory and could not even feel the drool on his face when he was a

tyke. This went on for years but after a time he could control it..... but his

voice sounded very 'slushy' all of the way up to age 11. At that time, we took

him off all milk products and all of the excess saliva issues became resolved.

Milk is the 'number 1' allergen to cause vestibular problems and to congest the

ear, nose and throat and many of the kids who are dyspraxic cannot tolerate it.

Since your son began to present with this issue after an illness, I would take

steps to get him into an ENT to check for an underlying infection. In my

daughters case, she had an underlying infection deep in her middle ear that was

not readily detectable without the specialized equipment at the ENT's office.

She also suffered from some mild hearing loss in one ear due to this infection

lasting so long. Anti-biotics didn't resolve it but tubes did.

Hope this gives you some ideas... this is my 'drooling' experience!

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM][ ] Suddenly drooling?

My son (2y, 10m old) was always a drooler as an infant (multiple bibs a

day), but as he got older, it stopped. Rarely when he's " off " (watching

TV, falling asleep or basically not thinking), you might see him do it,

and I've seen him drool a few times when Speech therapy first began and

his mouth was really working (March?).

He started drooling again. 2 weeks ago we noticed it in therapy, but I

chalked it up to him not feeling well. He was back at it 1 week ago.

I've seen it throughout the day, and both speech therapists (EI and

private) have commented on it - it hasn't stopped yet. He has all of

his (age-appropriate) teeth, and I believe they're in fine condition.

What could cause this new drooling? Other than giving him 1 dose of

high-gamma 8 days ago (planning on switching him to NN and gamma, not

speak), we've been doing a cross between NN and speak every day.

Can anyone advise? I suppose it's a small price to pay for his speech,

but if it means something more, I want to get to the bottom of it.

Thanks for any help you can give.

Chrisitne

[Guest guest]

Hi -

My son was not a big drooler as a baby. As soon as we started the

fish oils, he was using his mouth in a new way and making sounds for

the first time and started drooling up a storm. He also does this

with speech surges, such as when he learns a new sound. I just chalk

it up to that, but who can say for sure! We are also doing a

balancing act of speak and just fish oils, it seems to be every 5th

day my son needs speak to regulate his sensory issues. We haven't

tried using E on the side yet. My son was one of the responders to

speak without any side effects. You have to find what works for your

child. Good luck!

Penny

>

> My son (2y, 10m old) was always a drooler as an infant (multiple

bibs a

> day), but as he got older, it stopped. Rarely when he's " off "

(watching

> TV, falling asleep or basically not thinking), you might see him do

it,

> and I've seen him drool a few times when Speech therapy first began

and

> his mouth was really working (March?).

>

> He started drooling again. 2 weeks ago we noticed it in therapy,

but I

> chalked it up to him not feeling well. He was back at it 1 week

ago.

> I've seen it throughout the day, and both speech therapists (EI and

> private) have commented on it - it hasn't stopped yet. He has all

of

> his (age-appropriate) teeth, and I believe they're in fine

condition.

> What could cause this new drooling? Other than giving him 1 dose of

> high-gamma 8 days ago (planning on switching him to NN and gamma,

not

> speak), we've been doing a cross between NN and speak every day.

>

> Can anyone advise? I suppose it's a small price to pay for his

speech,

> but if it means something more, I want to get to the bottom of it.

> Thanks for any help you can give.

>

> Chrisitne

>

[Guest guest]

Penny may want to still keep your eyes open as time goes on. Most

things I found about hypervitaminosis happened in months -not days as

it did in this group. I can't find research anywhere that says

megadosages of vitamin E and K are safe in children.

And , you may want to be aware of hypervitaminosis too -

because from what I found up to this product there has probably never

been toddlers/children put on to these megadosages of E and K we

don't know the side effects. Take the speak you are giving to your

child to your doctor/s just to check it out as you are reporting

it's " sudden drooling " and not from teeth:

" Sudden drooling may occur with poisoning (especially by pesticides)

or a reaction to snake or insect venom.

Other things that can cause drooling:

Certain medications

Nervous system (neurological) problems "

http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/symptoms/drooling/overview.html

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the advice. The cross between speak and NN was

originally a total of 3 Omega, 1 1/2 EPA, and 1 speak a day, changed

to 2 omega, 1 EPA, and 2 speak. He's been doing fine with it. As far

as megadoses of E and K, I only tried the high gamma once. Being that

it is also a megadose of high gamma, I don't know if it's a mistake

with a toddler.

I don't think milk is an issue - as a family of 3 (husband and kids)

milk drinkers, within the past year we used to go through 4-5 gallons

a week, mostly my son. Now we're down to 2 gallons, and the drooling

is new. Same with both the fish oils and the speech - his mouth has

been working in therapy for months and the drooling just started.

I might've mentioned before, it's happening both in sessions and in

quiet time. He was walking around with drool running down his face

tonight after crackers.

Sorry if I've missed any points given to me. It's been an insanely

long day (nothing like the holidays), and today for the second time,

my SLP is reporting a total lack of focus in her session. She chalked

the first one up to the fact that it was feeding therapy, and he

wasn't interested in any of his choices. This time he was acting the

way he does for the SLP in EI, tipping his chair, looking around, not

focusing on work, etc. She said maybe it's because she keeps raisng

the bar for him, and I said no, he's been this way for a month in EI.

The worst part was, he had JUST gotten out of OT for sensory issues

not 5 minutes before... That should've met any sensory needs, maybe

the lack of focus is something else? (Okay... rambling now...)

Since I don't know what's causing it, I've decided to go back to

square one. I feel like I screwed up the first time with fish oils,

because instead of slowly building, I started with 2 speak, and just

jumped to 2 Omega, 1 EPA, then increased. I'm pulling him off

everything to see what it does to his speech and sensory, then slowly

adding each pill back until I figure out if the drooling, sensory

needs, and lack of focus are caused by anything I'm giving him. Wish

me luck. It's going to be a ROUGH few days for me. I want to cry at

the thought of losing his voice again...