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Can't believe a doctor suggested that!!

Have you tried melatonin at all yet? I would just go with it. So

many have said it's helpful. Give it to her about an hour or two

before you want her to go to bed.

He must be trying to get her tired out enough that she'll want to go

to bed earlier.

>

> I took my 4 yr old daughter to see Dr. Childers tuesday..she was

recently diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorder, aspergers, and

developmental delays...Well she has always had trouble sleeping so he

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Wow, I'd be changing Dr.'s pretty quickly. This one sounds like a

quack.That is completely rediculous advice in my opinion!

>

> I took my 4 yr old daughter to see Dr. Childers tuesday..she was

recently diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorder, aspergers, and

developmental delays...Well she has always had trouble sleeping so he

told us to keep her awake everyday until 230 am and about 15 minutes

before 230 am give her a warm bath, warm milk, and 1 meletonin talblet

and put her in the bed at 3am....then wake her up at her regular time for

school which is 545 am...no naps all day......he told us if she cries to

turn her lock around on her door and lock her in her room..does this

seem cruel or is it just me...i just dont see how we can function off 3 or

4 hours of sleep a day...

>

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RUN from this doctor. This is NO solution and your child will only

be sleep deprived and miserable, unable to perform at school at all.

You may even see her too tiredto eat or BE a child. Find another

doctor asap. This man scares me as well.

Mom of two aspies.

>

> I took my 4 yr old daughter to see Dr. Childers tuesday..she was

recently diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorder, aspergers, and

developmental delays...Well she has always had trouble sleeping so he

told us to keep her awake everyday until 230 am and about 15 minutes

before 230 am give her a warm bath, warm milk, and 1 meletonin

talblet and put her in the bed at 3am....then wake her up at her

regular time for school which is 545 am...no naps all day......he

told us if she cries to turn her lock around on her door and lock her

in her room..does this seem cruel or is it just me...i just dont see

how we can function off 3 or 4 hours of sleep a day...

>

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Never heard of anything like this. I'm not even sure what it is supposed to do

except make you and her both tired. The doctor said to do this every night? I

think it's nuts. A better idea: Establish a good bedtime routine, write it out

and post it. Do it every night. Use melatonin. If that doesn't help or stops

working, find a different doctor and try something like clonidine. That really

works well.

Roxanna

( ) Has anyone heard of this

I took my 4 yr old daughter to see Dr. Childers tuesday..she was recently

diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorder, aspergers, and developmental

delays...Well she has always had trouble sleeping so he told us to keep her

awake everyday until 230 am and about 15 minutes before 230 am give her a warm

bath, warm milk, and 1 meletonin talblet and put her in the bed at 3am....then

wake her up at her regular time for school which is 545 am...no naps all

day......he told us if she cries to turn her lock around on her door and lock

her in her room..does this seem cruel or is it just me...i just dont see how we

can function off 3 or 4 hours of sleep a day...

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thank u so much i just work so much she goes to preschool from well she out the

door by 700am and home by 300 she is very active....but i am gonna try the

sleeping bag thing this weekend i do get weekends off lol thank u again

Donna B <donnabzy@...> wrote: Were you at my house last night??

;) Ds slept in a sleeping bag right

next to me. For once, I didn't hear him have any nightmares, but he did

wake up too many times to count and grab me to make sure I was there.

Each time, right back to sleep, assured Mom was by him. I " knock out the

bad dreams by being there. "

Rose wrote:

>

> would locking her in her room be traumatizing for her??? I wouldn't do

> that. *smile* You can answer this best yourself. pretend you are her

> at her age, (4 years old) you have a disability and know nothing about

> it. now you can't sleep and someone locks you in the room. hummm. I

> would find another doctor ASAP.

> My son doesn't sleep through the night either. I would never lock him

> in his room. Maybe if you tried to let her sleep in a sleeping bag in

> your room next to you. support her, tell her everything is OK, maybe

> if you read her a bed time story just before she goes to bed. try

> everything, but what that doctor said. I don't know about keeping her

> up to 230am without any naps, is a good idea either. How active is she

> during the day? does she have a mommy & me group to go to? Maybe play

> time at the YMCA, a preschool? something for her to do during the day.

> but this is just my opinion, from another mom. hugs.

>

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Personally, I recommend checking in with the doctor at bedtime and

let him know how she is doing. LOL If she cries, this is not normal

and of course warrants another call to the doctor. LOL Of course,

this guy is nuts. I've never heard off such a thing. A crazy friend

of my mother's did this to his daughter when she refused to go to bed

to " teach her a lesson. " My parents thought he was abusive, but

people didn't call in child abuse reports in those days. I'd head for

the hills and see somebody else.

Liz

On Jan 25, 2007, at 3:16 PM, novine1933 wrote:

>

>

> >I have never heard of anything like this and I personally do not

> agree with it. My 5 yr old also has problems going to sleep at

> night. I give him a warm bath and a snack (nothing sweet) then we

> brush teeth and I lay down with him. Then we start making up stories.

> He may start it. Then I add to it and most times it becomes quite

> silly. Eventually he gets still enough that he will drop off to

> sleep. I would never lock my child in a room. I feel like this would

> cause so much fear that you could create more problems. I am shocked

> someone would recommend this. If a child does not get but 3 to 4

> hours of sleep a night the body will be run down and susceptable to

> any virus/cold that may be going around at school. Good luck and I

> wish you the best.

>

> > I took my 4 yr old daughter to see Dr. Childers tuesday..she was

> recently diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorder, aspergers, and

> developmental delays...Well she has always had trouble sleeping so he

> told us to keep her awake everyday until 230 am and about 15 minutes

> before 230 am give her a warm bath, warm milk, and 1 meletonin

> talblet and put her in the bed at 3am....then wake her up at her

> regular time for school which is 545 am...no naps all day......he

> told us if she cries to turn her lock around on her door and lock her

> in her room..does this seem cruel or is it just me...i just dont see

> how we can function off 3 or 4 hours of sleep a day...

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Have a burning question? Go to Answers and get answers from

> real people who know.

> >

> >

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i told him that and i told him i work 730 to 500pm everyday he said dont worry

about school and work i was like heck no we arent gonna try it

Jewel <truegrittle@...> wrote: I think that sounds

weird. I couldn't do that to any child. I might try keeping up all day then the

bath,warm milk then bed by no later then 8:30 pm. Other then that she would be

totally miserable. So would you. Betty

Frances miller <franlouisemiller@...> wrote:

I took my 4 yr old daughter to see Dr. Childers tuesday..she was recently

diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorder, aspergers, and developmental

delays...Well she has always had trouble sleeping so he told us to keep her

awake everyday until 230 am and about 15 minutes before 230 am give her a warm

bath, warm milk, and 1 meletonin talblet and put her in the bed at 3am....then

wake her up at her regular time for school which is 545 am...no naps all

day......he told us if she cries to turn her lock around on her door and lock

her in her room..does this seem cruel or is it just me...i just dont see how we

can function off 3 or 4 hours of sleep a day...

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ok thanks

HEATHER BEEM <gypsys_girl_beem@...> wrote: this is just my

experience... my 3 yr old has been taken melatonin for a while now. its helpful

and doesnt hurt him in any way. he takes an over the counter brand called

melinex. he takes 1.5 tablets half hour before bed. this is the dose our

developmental ped gave me for my 28lb kiddo. also theres a website called native

remedy..google it and its the first link.. and they have homeopathicsleep

remedys for young children. i personally have had no experience with them, but

several of my friends use it and swear by them. I ordered the autism treatment

from the copany last night.... ill let you know..

heather

Cat <sushicat69@...> wrote:

Also...I would not give melatonin to a four-year-old without some

proof of its efficacy and safety. Very few of these over the counter

things have been tested in children. How can you be sure it is safe?

Cat

> >

> > I took my 4 yr old daughter to see Dr. Childers tuesday..she was

> recently diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorder, aspergers, and

> developmental delays...Well she has always had trouble sleeping so

he

> told us to keep her awake everyday until 230 am and about 15

minutes

> before 230 am give her a warm bath, warm milk, and 1 meletonin

> talblet and put her in the bed at 3am....then wake her up at her

> regular time for school which is 545 am...no naps all day......he

> told us if she cries to turn her lock around on her door and lock

her

> in her room..does this seem cruel or is it just me...i just dont

see

> how we can function off 3 or 4 hours of sleep a day...

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Have a burning question? Go to Answers and get answers

from

> real people who know.

> >

> >

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thank u so much

novine1933 <novine1933@...> wrote:

>I have never heard of anything like this and I personally do not

agree with it. My 5 yr old also has problems going to sleep at

night. I give him a warm bath and a snack (nothing sweet) then we

brush teeth and I lay down with him. Then we start making up stories.

He may start it. Then I add to it and most times it becomes quite

silly. Eventually he gets still enough that he will drop off to

sleep. I would never lock my child in a room. I feel like this would

cause so much fear that you could create more problems. I am shocked

someone would recommend this. If a child does not get but 3 to 4

hours of sleep a night the body will be run down and susceptable to

any virus/cold that may be going around at school. Good luck and I

wish you the best.

> I took my 4 yr old daughter to see Dr. Childers tuesday..she was

recently diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorder, aspergers, and

developmental delays...Well she has always had trouble sleeping so he

told us to keep her awake everyday until 230 am and about 15 minutes

before 230 am give her a warm bath, warm milk, and 1 meletonin

talblet and put her in the bed at 3am....then wake her up at her

regular time for school which is 545 am...no naps all day......he

told us if she cries to turn her lock around on her door and lock her

in her room..does this seem cruel or is it just me...i just dont see

how we can function off 3 or 4 hours of sleep a day...

>

> ---------------------------------

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i am looking for a new one right now thank u

HEATHER BEEM <gypsys_girl_beem@...> wrote: yeah.. dont trust that

dr

Cat <sushicat69@...> wrote: I took my 4

yr old daughter to see Dr. Childers tuesday..she was recently

diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorder, aspergers, and

developmental delays...Well she has always had trouble sleeping so he

told us to keep her awake everyday until 230 am and about 15 minutes

before 230 am give her a warm bath, warm milk, and 1 meletonin

talblet and put her in the bed at 3am....then wake her up at her

regular time for school which is 545 am...no naps all day......he

told us if she cries to turn her lock around on her door and lock her

in her room..does this seem cruel or is it just me...i just dont see

how we can function off 3 or 4 hours of sleep a day...

>

> ---------------------------------

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IMHO,

I would rather put a 4 yo on Melatonin that on a prescribed sleep aid

that's potentially addicting.

Angelina

> > >

> > > I took my 4 yr old daughter to see Dr. Childers tuesday..she was

> > recently diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorder, aspergers, and

> > developmental delays...Well she has always had trouble sleeping so

> he

> > told us to keep her awake everyday until 230 am and about 15

> minutes

> > before 230 am give her a warm bath, warm milk, and 1 meletonin

> > talblet and put her in the bed at 3am....then wake her up at her

> > regular time for school which is 545 am...no naps all day......he

> > told us if she cries to turn her lock around on her door and lock

> her

> > in her room..does this seem cruel or is it just me...i just dont

> see

> > how we can function off 3 or 4 hours of sleep a day...

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > > Have a burning question? Go to Answers and get answers

> from

> > real people who know.

> > >

> > >

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thank u i just wanted to make sure i was still sane because i think he is

insane...lol

Liz Bohn <lbohn@...> wrote: Personally, I recommend checking in

with the doctor at bedtime and

let him know how she is doing. LOL If she cries, this is not normal

and of course warrants another call to the doctor. LOL Of course,

this guy is nuts. I've never heard off such a thing. A crazy friend

of my mother's did this to his daughter when she refused to go to bed

to " teach her a lesson. " My parents thought he was abusive, but

people didn't call in child abuse reports in those days. I'd head for

the hills and see somebody else.

Liz

On Jan 25, 2007, at 3:16 PM, novine1933 wrote:

>

>

> >I have never heard of anything like this and I personally do not

> agree with it. My 5 yr old also has problems going to sleep at

> night. I give him a warm bath and a snack (nothing sweet) then we

> brush teeth and I lay down with him. Then we start making up stories.

> He may start it. Then I add to it and most times it becomes quite

> silly. Eventually he gets still enough that he will drop off to

> sleep. I would never lock my child in a room. I feel like this would

> cause so much fear that you could create more problems. I am shocked

> someone would recommend this. If a child does not get but 3 to 4

> hours of sleep a night the body will be run down and susceptable to

> any virus/cold that may be going around at school. Good luck and I

> wish you the best.

>

> > I took my 4 yr old daughter to see Dr. Childers tuesday..she was

> recently diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorder, aspergers, and

> developmental delays...Well she has always had trouble sleeping so he

> told us to keep her awake everyday until 230 am and about 15 minutes

> before 230 am give her a warm bath, warm milk, and 1 meletonin

> talblet and put her in the bed at 3am....then wake her up at her

> regular time for school which is 545 am...no naps all day......he

> told us if she cries to turn her lock around on her door and lock her

> in her room..does this seem cruel or is it just me...i just dont see

> how we can function off 3 or 4 hours of sleep a day...

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Have a burning question? Go to Answers and get answers from

> real people who know.

> >

> >

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That doc is out of his mind. You do what you have to do for you and

your daughter to get rest. Sooner or later, they do grow out of the

sleeping problems. My 12-yr old use to sleep w/us on/off until 8!!!

He sleeps in his own room now (w/his dog).

As far as melatonin, do your research. Someone recently told me that

there are problems with taking it long term (brain problems).

Robin

-- In , Frances miller

<franlouisemiller@...> wrote:

>

> I took my 4 yr old daughter to see Dr. Childers tuesday..she was

recently diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorder, aspergers, and

developmental delays...Well she has always had trouble sleeping so

he told us to keep her awake everyday until 230 am and about 15

minutes before 230 am give her a warm bath, warm milk, and 1

meletonin talblet and put her in the bed at 3am....then wake her up

at her regular time for school which is 545 am...no naps all

day......he told us if she cries to turn her lock around on her door

and lock her in her room..does this seem cruel or is it just me...i

just dont see how we can function off 3 or 4 hours of sleep a day...

>

> ---------------------------------

> Have a burning question? Go to Answers and get answers from

real people who know.

>

>

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ROFL, Liz. Might make Dr. change his recommendations. lol.

Roxanna

Re: ( ) Re: Has anyone heard of this

Personally, I recommend checking in with the doctor at bedtime and

let him know how she is doing. LOL If she cries, this is not normal

and of course warrants another call to the doctor. LOL Of course,

this guy is nuts. I've never heard off such a thing. A crazy friend

of my mother's did this to his daughter when she refused to go to bed

to " teach her a lesson. " My parents thought he was abusive, but

people didn't call in child abuse reports in those days. I'd head for

the hills and see somebody else.

Liz

On Jan 25, 2007, at 3:16 PM, novine1933 wrote:

>

>

> >I have never heard of anything like this and I personally do not

> agree with it. My 5 yr old also has problems going to sleep at

> night. I give him a warm bath and a snack (nothing sweet) then we

> brush teeth and I lay down with him. Then we start making up stories.

> He may start it. Then I add to it and most times it becomes quite

> silly. Eventually he gets still enough that he will drop off to

> sleep. I would never lock my child in a room. I feel like this would

> cause so much fear that you could create more problems. I am shocked

> someone would recommend this. If a child does not get but 3 to 4

> hours of sleep a night the body will be run down and susceptable to

> any virus/cold that may be going around at school. Good luck and I

> wish you the best.

>

> > I took my 4 yr old daughter to see Dr. Childers tuesday..she was

> recently diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorder, aspergers, and

> developmental delays...Well she has always had trouble sleeping so he

> told us to keep her awake everyday until 230 am and about 15 minutes

> before 230 am give her a warm bath, warm milk, and 1 meletonin

> talblet and put her in the bed at 3am....then wake her up at her

> regular time for school which is 545 am...no naps all day......he

> told us if she cries to turn her lock around on her door and lock her

> in her room..does this seem cruel or is it just me...i just dont see

> how we can function off 3 or 4 hours of sleep a day...

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Have a burning question? Go to Answers and get answers from

> real people who know.

> >

> >

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I agree as well... this could be damaging to your childs psyche. I

know even though my ds has sleep issues, if we were to do that i would

not be able to leave his sight for a long time, for fear that i would

leave him again.

What I do is lay with him. He gets melatonin and 30 minutes later I

put him to bed. I lay thre and tell him Im going to sleep, and make

him lay still. If he does lay still he is out quickly. I have that

down pat. Now I just need to work on the why is he waking up at 1 AM

and staying up for hours - sometimes doesnt go back to sleep at all!

> >

> > >I have never heard of anything like this and I personally do not

> > agree with it. My 5 yr old also has problems going to sleep at

> > night. I give him a warm bath and a snack (nothing sweet) then we

> > brush teeth and I lay down with him. Then we start making up stories.

> > He may start it. Then I add to it and most times it becomes quite

> > silly. Eventually he gets still enough that he will drop off to

> > sleep. I would never lock my child in a room. I feel like this would

> > cause so much fear that you could create more problems. I am shocked

> > someone would recommend this. If a child does not get but 3 to 4

> > hours of sleep a night the body will be run down and susceptable to

> > any virus/cold that may be going around at school. Good luck and I

> > wish you the best.

> >

> > > I took my 4 yr old daughter to see Dr. Childers tuesday..she was

> > recently diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorder, aspergers, and

> > developmental delays...Well she has always had trouble sleeping so he

> > told us to keep her awake everyday until 230 am and about 15 minutes

> > before 230 am give her a warm bath, warm milk, and 1 meletonin

> > talblet and put her in the bed at 3am....then wake her up at her

> > regular time for school which is 545 am...no naps all day......he

> > told us if she cries to turn her lock around on her door and lock her

> > in her room..does this seem cruel or is it just me...i just dont see

> > how we can function off 3 or 4 hours of sleep a day...

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > > Have a burning question? Go to Answers and get answers from

> > real people who know.

> > >

> > >

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I have never heard of this kind of advice before. Your child and you need

rest to be able to function well. That is not good advice. The melatonin,

however is a great suggestion. I have been using Melatonin with my 10 yr.

old AS son and it works very well. I started out with just a half of a 1mg.

tablet and that seems to work. I have given him 1 tablet before as well. I

was told by my son's autism specialist to take the half tablet and if he

does not fall asleep within 20 minutes and seems to be struggling, then give

him the other half. A good backrub or scratching the back seems to calm my

son down at night. I think giving them a snack packed with some protein is

good also as it stabilizes blood sugar levels and you sleep better. Calcium/

magnesium supplements may help as well. Good luck. I hope this helps.

Tricia

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Melatonin didn't work on my son at all -- his aggression was at an

all-time worst when we tried it.

He's been on clonidine now for a while -- no side-effects (other than

the sleepiness) and no addiction. Not all drugs that help a child sleep

will cause addictions, but melatonin is a known thing that also helps a

lot of autistic children, and you can find a lot of info on it online.

FWIW, my son's on clonidine because he's self-injurious, had tics (one

was making his fingertips bleed, another making his ears raw) and he's

very aggressive when he gets mad. The clonidine has helped tone those

down, not to a level of satisfaction, but enough to where we're not

trying other meds right now (we've been offered two other stronger meds)

and the sleepiness is just a bonus that we didn't expect -- what a

difference.

But, even that isn't foolproof. He sleeps more now than he did

beforehand, but he still has horrible nightmares, sleepwalks/talks, sits

up straight, says weird things, and has entire conversations or replays

the day or a show episode in his sleep. Melatonin didn't help with any

of that, he was awake 2-3 hours later instead.

hipstamom wrote:

>

> IMHO,

>

> I would rather put a 4 yo on Melatonin that on a prescribed sleep aid

> that's potentially addicting.

>

> Angelina

>

>

> > > >

> > > > I took my 4 yr old daughter to see Dr. Childers tuesday..she was

> > > recently diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorder, aspergers, and

> > > developmental delays...Well she has always had trouble sleeping so

> > he

> > > told us to keep her awake everyday until 230 am and about 15

> > minutes

> > > before 230 am give her a warm bath, warm milk, and 1 meletonin

> > > talblet and put her in the bed at 3am....then wake her up at her

> > > regular time for school which is 545 am...no naps all day......he

> > > told us if she cries to turn her lock around on her door and lock

> > her

> > > in her room..does this seem cruel or is it just me...i just dont

> > see

> > > how we can function off 3 or 4 hours of sleep a day...

> > > >

> > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > Have a burning question? Go to Answers and get answers

> > from

> > > real people who know.

> > > >

> > > >

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parents and advocates as possible.

The New Jersey Department of Education has released a final draft of

proposed regulations (NJAC 6A:23A) which could prevent children with

disabilities from receiving appropriate services; undermines the IEP team

decision-making process, and could shift students with disabilities out of

programs that are meeting their needs.

The state plans to adopt these rules on an " emergency basis " without

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I haven't heard of this, but I have heard that NJ is considering

pulling out of federal funding for early intervention, which of

course means that they'd set their own standards on amounts of

services that children need (read: much less than they're getting

now). Makes me thankful I'm not planning on having more kids... At

the rate this is going, I couldn't afford to pay for the help they'd

need.

>

> HAS ANYONE HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THIS????

> Urgent - Please Take Action Now

>

>

>

>

>

> Urgent - Please Take Action Now

>

> Dear ,ASAH is trying to get parents and others to send e-mail

to New

> Jersey lawmakers on an urgent matter. Please forward this message

to as many

> parents and advocates as possible.

>

> The New Jersey Department of Education has released a final draft

of

> proposed regulations (NJAC 6A:23A) which could prevent children

with

> disabilities from receiving appropriate services; undermines the

IEP team

> decision-making process, and could shift students with disabilities

out of

> programs that are meeting their needs.

>

> The state plans to adopt these rules on an " emergency basis "

without

> essential public comment.

>

> A draft e-mail message - prepared for parents - can be sent from

ASAH's

> on-line advocacy center. The letter can be easily customized and

used by

> teachers, directors and others.

>

> Click here to take action now.

> Thank you in advance for your support of this important issue.

> Sincerely,

> Gerard Thiers, ASAH Executive Director

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