Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Years ago I attended a very large symposium on Dyspraxia and it was indicated that 90% of children diagnosed with speech issues also had comorbid conditions. This could be dyslexia, dysgraphia, CAPD, dyspraxia, autism.... the list is endless. While the conditions may be comorbid, they are very separate conditions and require extremely different treatment approaches. Again, no one size fits all in our world! I suspect that this is because neurological issues tend to occur in clusters; one system breaks down, and then another follows. In our household, we have never had an issue with dyslexia though my son does indeed have visual motor issues. Quite the opposite actually, Mark has always had superior decoding abilities and tests out years ahead of his age group in reading. My NT daughter had a minor speech delay as a child and definately fits into that 10% grouping. This is because her speech issue stemmed from chronically inflamed tonsils, adenoids and a deep-rooted inner ear infection. Once that was cleared up, normal deveopment ensued. So..... her problems did not stem from a neurological cause but from a physical problem with her ears, nose and throat. ......very different. Janice Mother of Mark, 13 [sPAM][ ] Re: Is this True? Don't mean to pop the bubble but our kids also have overlaps of symptoms they attribute to many other conditions including but not limited to dyslexia. You can believe what you want about your preschool aged (?!!) child -but I know from my 6th grader as well as the other older apraxic children in the group as well as from Kathy who is a teacher and mother to 10YO twins with apraxia that it's bogus. As I say here: http://www.cherab.org/information/adhd-speech.html 1. Speech and language disorders are frequently attributed as part of another diagnosis. 2. Speech and language disorders are often undiagnosed. So if you are going to assume your child is dyslexic based upon some articles you probably also want to sign your kid up for the rest of the disorders on this page http://www.cherab.org/information/adhd-speech.html As I always say -if you assume your child is learning disabled or you assume they are not...you are right. PS I have a sister with dyslexia and a son with apraxia -HUGE difference!!! ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 My husband thinks he's dyslexic but I can assure you Tara is NOT! Nor has anyone mentioned any sort of learning disability! Her Apraxia has been linked to her Hyrdrocephalus/CP and genetic deformities. We were both tested- she is a unique case in our family for her genetic issues. Like someone mentioned- when hubby was in grade school in very late 60's/early 70's- they did not look for a cause they just called you stupid! He still gets numbers backwards often. > > Now how many children with apraxia have a family member with > dyslexia...'that' could be 75%...that seems to be a bit more possible. > > Let's do a quick poll. Anyone here have a child with apraxia that has > a relative with dyslexia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 , Just so you know the replys back to you are not from me - the originator of the question- Is this true?- I appreciate and believe all you've told me. Sandy From: kiddietalk <kiddietalk@...> Subject: [ ] Re: Is this True? Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 8:36 AM Don't mean to pop the bubble but our kids also have overlaps of symptoms they attribute to many other conditions including but not limited to dyslexia. You can believe what you want about your preschool aged (?!!) child -but I know from my 6th grader as well as the other older apraxic children in the group as well as from Kathy who is a teacher and mother to 10YO twins with apraxia that it's bogus. As I say here: http://www.cherab. org/information/ adhd-speech. html 1. Speech and language disorders are frequently attributed as part of another diagnosis. 2. Speech and language disorders are often undiagnosed. So if you are going to assume your child is dyslexic based upon some articles you probably also want to sign your kid up for the rest of the disorders on this page http://www.cherab. org/information/ adhd-speech. html As I always say -if you assume your child is learning disabled or you assume they are not...you are right. PS I have a sister with dyslexia and a son with apraxia -HUGE difference!! ! ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 My mother, her Dad (deceased) and my sister have dyslexia. So severe thay can not drive. They have suffered traumatic incidents in their lives, getting lost; not knowing if they turn this way or that. So much stronger than mixing up letters! They have even put theirselves in harms way. I once had to rescue my Mother from a terrifying part of Houston! Shyann has apraxia. She is 9. She has not show one sign/symptom of dylexia. Yay for her. She doesn't need another mountain to climb. , I think looking at older children with apraxia is a good starting point in deciding if apraxia goes hand in hand with dyslexia. NOT A CHANCE in my daughter! Joy and Shyann [ ] Re: Is this True? Don't mean to pop the bubble but our kids also have overlaps of symptoms they attribute to many other conditions including but not limited to dyslexia. You can believe what you want about your preschool aged (?!!) child -but I know from my 6th grader as well as the other older apraxic children in the group as well as from Kathy who is a teacher and mother to 10YO twins with apraxia that it's bogus. As I say here: http://www.cherab.org/information/adhd-speech.html 1. Speech and language disorders are frequently attributed as part of another diagnosis. 2. Speech and language disorders are often undiagnosed. So if you are going to assume your child is dyslexic based upon some articles you probably also want to sign your kid up for the rest of the disorders on this page http://www.cherab.org/information/adhd-speech.html As I always say -if you assume your child is learning disabled or you assume they are not...you are right. PS I have a sister with dyslexia and a son with apraxia -HUGE difference!!! ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 I tend to concur with Maureen here. Reversals of letters is pretty much the norm of ALL kids right up to the end of grade 2 and some even to grade 3. I think that your time would be better spent working physically if you find yourself worried. Doing monkey bars, climbing, playing catch, playing Eye Spy or Where's Waldo with those big picture books; all of these work binocular vision, visual motor and eye teaming and scanning. Focus on good development at the stage where you are currently at and then when it is age appropriate, you can address other comorbid conditions if they raise their ugly heads. But be careful about creating a problem where none exists. Though our dyspraxic kiddos often have terrible visual motor skills.... stories of older kids and adults tell me that most don't suffer dyslexia and that reading has been their 'amaaaaaazing' skill. It certainly has been this way for Mark. Take care.... you carry a big enough load already.... work on that one first because when you fix it, a lot of other potential problems will be averted. Good luck and take care, Janice Mother of Mark, 13 [sPAM][ ] Re: Is this True? My husband thinks he's dyslexic but I can assure you Tara is NOT! Nor has anyone mentioned any sort of learning disability! Her Apraxia has been linked to her Hyrdrocephalus/CP and genetic deformities. We were both tested- she is a unique case in our family for her genetic issues. Like someone mentioned- when hubby was in grade school in very late 60's/early 70's- they did not look for a cause they just called you stupid! He still gets numbers backwards often. > > Now how many children with apraxia have a family member with > dyslexia...'that' could be 75%...that seems to be a bit more possible. > > Let's do a quick poll. Anyone here have a child with apraxia that has > a relative with dyslexia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 I don't have much to add here, but I personally would not go with the idea that gyslexia can't be diagnosed until 2nd or 3rd grade. To me, that's too late. All chil;dren by the age of four or so, should be able to rhyme. They should be able to recognioze letters (not all of them, but many of them). If a child consistently gets confused with letters, words, sequencing pictures, directions, rhyming, phonological awareness, etc. It is a case for concer, wheteher they have underlying problems or not. I don't think that the apraxia is absolutly related just as other disorders are not always related. But, I do feel that during the k-1 years a child struggling with written language should be looked at. I can;t believe that a teacher would say not to discuss dyslexia until 3rd grade. Just as with any disability, dyslexia is best helped early. In my humble opinion, 3rd grade is too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 I was going by what I was told by a teacher with 25 years of teaching experience. I stated that it was NOT my opinion. has said- please back up your opinions with facts from somewhere. All I did was Google Diagnose Dyslexia. It is defined as Difficulty with reading. Here is what I found. Many children have diffuculty reversing letters.What I read is that normally disappears by the age of 7 or 8. So- a 4yr old really cannot be diagnosed with Dyslexia. Dyslexia is about reading- so even if they develop their own tricks to reading- it is still a problem with reading. So, they have to be taught to read first. If you do not have school work to show them why you think theres a problem you may not be able to get any testing done. Thats why they wait till 2nd or 3rd grade for the typical signs to develop more. Things like being able to read but when the words are transferred to flash cards....they don't know what the word is. They have difficulty memorizing multiplication tables. And....school districts see it as a medical problem but doctors see it as a school issue- so be prepared to pay for any testing on your own because it won't be covered by insurance either. Although dyslexia is the most common reason a bright student will struggle with reading, spelling, or written composition, it is not the only reason. And until you know for sure why a child is struggling, you won't know the best way to help. Should the School Test? Many people know that public schools are required to test children who live in their service area, whether those children attend that public school or not. But what you may not realize is that most public schools do not test children for dyslexia. They test them to find out if they are eligible for special education services. There is a huge difference between eligibility testing and diagnostic testing. Federal education law does not require public schools to test children for dyslexia. Schools only have to test to find out if a child is eligible for special education services, and if so, under what category. If a child with dyslexia is eligible, they will be placed in a category called Learning Disability. So before you allow the public school to test your child, ask them this question: " Will you be testing my child for dyslexia? " You may be shocked at their answer. Some public schools will give one of the following excuses for NOT testing a child for dyslexia. They might say that dyslexia is just a catch-all term and there's no test for it. Or that your child is too young to test. Or that only a doctor can test for dyslexia. Or they might even say that dyslexia is the same thing as a learning disability. If you hear comments like that, do not allow them test your child for dyslexia because not one of those statements is true. Back to top Dyslexia is not LD Most children with dyslexia are not severe enough to meet the school's criteria, and the legal definition, of a learning disability. In fact, according to the research, only one in ten children with dyslexia qualifies as having a learning disability. That means nine out of ten children with dyslexia are either never sent for testing, or when they are tested, they do not qualify as having a learning disability. So only children with severe dyslexia qualify. But so do children who are struggling for other reasons. That's why it is not true that dyslexia is the same thing as a learning disability. And that's also why most children with dyslexia are not receiving special education services. Only those who qualify as having a Learning Disability receive special education services. Yet children who do not qualify (because they are not severe enough) will continue to struggle tremendously in the areas of spelling, writing, and reading if they have dyslexia. Back to top Dyslexia is not Medical If you ask a public school to test your child for dyslexia, they may tell you that dyslexia is a medical issue, and that only a doctor can test for it. But if you ask a doctor to test your child, the doctor will probably tell you that they do not test for dyslexia. Doctors do not test children for reading, writing, and spelling issues because those are not considered medical issues. They are educational issues. So a doctor will probably refer you back to the school or to an educational psychologist. Many educational psychologists are former school psychologists, and most of them only test for a learning disability. But dyslexia is not the same thing as a learning disability. So that type of testing is not appropriate. Back to top When to Test? A child can be professionally diagnosed with dyslexia as early as five-and-a-half years old. Although most public schools are reluctant to test children before third grade, and often encourage parents to wait and see if their child will " outgrow " his or her reading, spelling, or writing difficulties, research shows that waiting is the worst thing you can do. If it's dyslexia, a child will not outgrow his or her difficulties. And it takes less time to fix the reading and spelling difficulties when dyslexia is discovered at age six than when it is not discovered until age 9 – or 19 – or even older. > > I don't have much to add here, but I personally would not go with the > idea that gyslexia can't be diagnosed until 2nd or 3rd grade. To me, > that's too late. All chil;dren by the age of four or so, should be > able to rhyme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 I believe the NHS endos do not believe in RT3, all the ones i have seen do not. Also a RT3 test would get more people OFF t4 and onto t4/t3 or t3 only combos which there is alot of debate about to why they seem to want to keep us on T4....Money/pharma compaies ? Who knows.... Steve > > > > My endo has told me that he is unable to do the reverse T3 blood test! Is this true?? thanks sue X > > > Bump > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 My (UK) endo (who is sympathetic to the use of Armour) TOTALLY poo-pood the RT3 results as being meaningless! He also totally disregarded the Saliva cortisol test. This is what leads lots of us to self medicate > > > > > > My endo has told me that he is unable to do the reverse T3 blood test! Is this true?? thanks sue X > > > > > Bump > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 I asked a Prof endo prat at a well known teaching hosp about doing RT3 when I attended his clinic and he said that they only tended to use this test in the course of research and did not do this as a norm!? By the way, this latest clamp down on buying Erfa from Value is goung to leave many people without a lifeline and I wonder too how long it will be before they do the same with T3 and wonder that given the reasonable shelf life of these drugs it might be worth where poss, stock piling. Stacey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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