Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 My daughter, age 6, has been in Speech since age 3 but we only started claiming on insurance last year - and it's all been denied/appealed/denied/medical review/denied/appealed - etc... The best advice I have seen on this is at the following website - here's the link - http://www.speechville.com/diagnosis-destinations/apraxia/insurance.html One of the main things I learned was not to use a code that involves the word " developmental " , and also to be sure to specify that the speech therapy is " rehabilitative " . Here is parts of the information from that site: Insurance coverage for speech therapy is often provided but can require some legwork on your part. Duration of treatment: If your policy specifies that therapy is a " short-term " benefit only, then the speech therapist must submit objectives and goals for short-term durations, i.e. two months or so at a time. Toward the end of the two month period, the therapist will submit a report of progress with renewed objectives and goals for the next two months (and so on). Insurance Codes: The insurance paperwork filled out by the speech-language pathologist or pediatrician often requires a code number. Some codes are red flags for denials. A great code to use if you have a child with apraxia is 781.3 which is " lack of muscle coordination /coordination disorder. " This shows a physical diagnosis, which is typically covered, versus a developmental diagnosis, which is typically not covered. Website at which to Research Codes: The code for apraxia is under ICD-9 Codes. Insurance Code Website Also see Dr. Marilyn Agin's advice, " Insurance: Dealing with the Big Guys, " at Children's Apraxia Net and read message number 263. Denials and Appeals: If you are denied coverage for your child's speech and language therapy, always ask for the denial in writing and appeal the decision using the proper appeal procedure within your insurance company. Insurance companies count on consumers not appealing decisions. And the fact is that most people don't. All along the way, document your phone calls to the insurance company and also be sure to note whom you spoke with (first and last names) and what date you spoke to them. Keep brief notes about what each person told you. Documentation can be helpful for an appeal. In some states, even if (or regardless whether) you have exhausted appeal procedures within your insurance company, you can appeal to your state's insurance commission (and some state insurance commissions now allow the filing of complaints via the Web). The Stroke Caregiver's Handbook advises that consumers not pay medical bills until you have exhausted the insurance appeals process: " One major insurance provider admitted that 98% of all judgments are reversed when appealed. Once you pay $1 of a bill, you are claiming full responsibility for that bill, and once you pay a doctor or hospital yourself, you will spend years trying to get that money back from the insurance company, if at all. " One of the most important things to do when applying for insurance coverage of speech and language-related therapy is to ensure that the evaluator (that is, the speech-language pathologist) does not use the word " developmental " in his or her report, as in " a developmental Articulation Disorder " . While the word " developmental " is a common one in speech therapy literature, for many families the use of the word has been the sole cause of denials of insurance coverage. Insurance companies' claims evaluators see the word " developmental " and think, " developmental delay. " Most insurance companies and HMOs do not see it as their responsibility to pay for speech therapy if speech is developmentally delayed, which they interpret to mean " will improve with time, with or without treatment " . The person who is denying claims often does not know that the phrase " developmental Articulation Disorder " is not the same as " developmental delay, " nor may he or she know that the word " developmental " is used within the academic literature primarily to distinguish the condition from one that is occurring in an adult. The insurance company might also be confusing an " articulation disorder " with a " developmental disability " . The United States government's definition of " developmental disability " requires that the disability be a mental and/or physical impairment, manifest before the individual is 22 years old, will likely continue indefinitely, results in substantial functional limitations in 3 or more major life activities, and will necessitate special services and supports of either lifelong or extended duration. An articulation disorder is not a " developmental disability, " though it can co-occur, in some children, with a developmental disability. Regardless of whether or not a child is developmentally disabled, in addition to having an articulation disorder, the insurance company should not deny the claim on the basis of the developmental disability, if speech therapy would otherwise be covered. Therapists and doctors use diagnostic codes for insurance purposes. Again, the provider should not code a diagnosis for a child with an articulation disorder as " developmental delay " (code 315.9) or " developmental speech or language " (code 315.31). Codes to use are: a neurological code (codes 340 - 349) or coordination disorder (code 315.4). It is worth your while to ask the therapist or doctor (depending on if you need your physician's referral) what diagnostic code they will use in the report or referral. If you have already received a denial of insurance because of the " developmental " confusion, you will need to provide documentation to your insurance company or HMO demonstrating that the speech difficulty is of a severity that it will not " go away " without treatment. Sometimes describing the condition as a neurological disorder seems to help. Review the Pub Med literature for appropriate quotes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Hi , My daughter has diagnosis of Mixed Expressive/ Receptive Language Disorder under the diagnosis code ICD-9 315.32. How can I find if Blue Cross- Blue Shield PPO can paid for her therapist?? The Insurance denied to pay. Please I need help , if you can give me any information I'll appreciate. Thanks, Teddy From: socialwkr@... <socialwkr@...> Subject: [ ] Re: Private Insurance coverage for Apraxia Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 5:14 PM My daughter, age 6, has been in Speech since age 3 but we only started claiming on insurance last year - and it's all been denied/appealed/ denied/medical review/denied/ appealed - etc... The best advice I have seen on this is at the following website - here's the link - http://www.speechvi lle.com/diagnosi s-destinations/ apraxia/insuranc e.html One of the main things I learned was not to use a code that involves the word " developmental " , and also to be sure to specify that the speech therapy is " rehabilitative " . Here is parts of the information from that site: Insurance coverage for speech therapy is often provided but can require some legwork on your part. Duration of treatment: If your policy specifies that therapy is a " short-term " benefit only, then the speech therapist must submit objectives and goals for short-term durations, i.e. two months or so at a time. Toward the end of the two month period, the therapist will submit a report of progress with renewed objectives and goals for the next two months (and so on). Insurance Codes: The insurance paperwork filled out by the speech-language pathologist or pediatrician often requires a code number. Some codes are red flags for denials. A great code to use if you have a child with apraxia is 781.3 which is " lack of muscle coordination /coordination disorder. " This shows a physical diagnosis, which is typically covered, versus a developmental diagnosis, which is typically not covered. Website at which to Research Codes: The code for apraxia is under ICD-9 Codes. Insurance Code Website Also see Dr. Marilyn Agin's advice, " Insurance: Dealing with the Big Guys, " at Children's Apraxia Net and read message number 263. Denials and Appeals: If you are denied coverage for your child's speech and language therapy, always ask for the denial in writing and appeal the decision using the proper appeal procedure within your insurance company. Insurance companies count on consumers not appealing decisions. And the fact is that most people don't. All along the way, document your phone calls to the insurance company and also be sure to note whom you spoke with (first and last names) and what date you spoke to them. Keep brief notes about what each person told you. Documentation can be helpful for an appeal. In some states, even if (or regardless whether) you have exhausted appeal procedures within your insurance company, you can appeal to your state's insurance commission (and some state insurance commissions now allow the filing of complaints via the Web). The Stroke Caregiver's Handbook advises that consumers not pay medical bills until you have exhausted the insurance appeals process: " One major insurance provider admitted that 98% of all judgments are reversed when appealed. Once you pay $1 of a bill, you are claiming full responsibility for that bill, and once you pay a doctor or hospital yourself, you will spend years trying to get that money back from the insurance company, if at all. " One of the most important things to do when applying for insurance coverage of speech and language-related therapy is to ensure that the evaluator (that is, the speech-language pathologist) does not use the word " developmental " in his or her report, as in " a developmental Articulation Disorder " . While the word " developmental " is a common one in speech therapy literature, for many families the use of the word has been the sole cause of denials of insurance coverage. Insurance companies' claims evaluators see the word " developmental " and think, " developmental delay. " Most insurance companies and HMOs do not see it as their responsibility to pay for speech therapy if speech is developmentally delayed, which they interpret to mean " will improve with time, with or without treatment " . The person who is denying claims often does not know that the phrase " developmental Articulation Disorder " is not the same as " developmental delay, " nor may he or she know that the word " developmental " is used within the academic literature primarily to distinguish the condition from one that is occurring in an adult. The insurance company might also be confusing an " articulation disorder " with a " developmental disability " . The United States government's definition of " developmental disability " requires that the disability be a mental and/or physical impairment, manifest before the individual is 22 years old, will likely continue indefinitely, results in substantial functional limitations in 3 or more major life activities, and will necessitate special services and supports of either lifelong or extended duration. An articulation disorder is not a " developmental disability, " though it can co-occur, in some children, with a developmental disability. Regardless of whether or not a child is developmentally disabled, in addition to having an articulation disorder, the insurance company should not deny the claim on the basis of the developmental disability, if speech therapy would otherwise be covered. Therapists and doctors use diagnostic codes for insurance purposes. Again, the provider should not code a diagnosis for a child with an articulation disorder as " developmental delay " (code 315.9) or " developmental speech or language " (code 315.31). Codes to use are: a neurological code (codes 340 - 349) or coordination disorder (code 315.4). It is worth your while to ask the therapist or doctor (depending on if you need your physician's referral) what diagnostic code they will use in the report or referral. If you have already received a denial of insurance because of the " developmental " confusion, you will need to provide documentation to your insurance company or HMO demonstrating that the speech difficulty is of a severity that it will not " go away " without treatment. Sometimes describing the condition as a neurological disorder seems to help. Review the Pub Med literature for appropriate quotes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 dont forget the paper trail!! How old is your daughter? You may need a new eval to try to have a new code submitted. read what was already provided below.I have heard any code in the 300's is often denied. > > > From: socialwkr@... <socialwkr@...> > Subject: [ ] Re: Private Insurance coverage for Apraxia > > Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 5:14 PM > > > Insurance Codes: The insurance paperwork filled out by the speech-language pathologist or pediatrician often requires a code number. Some codes are red flags for denials. A great code to use if you have a child with apraxia is 781.3 which is " lack of muscle coordination /coordination disorder. " This shows a physical diagnosis, which is typically covered, versus a developmental diagnosis, which is typically not covered. > > > >> Therapists and doctors use diagnostic codes for insurance purposes. Again, the provider should not code a diagnosis for a child with an articulation disorder as " developmental delay " (code 315.9) or " developmental speech or language " (code 315.31). Codes to use are: a neurological code (codes 340 - 349) or coordination disorder (code 315.4). It is worth your while to ask the therapist or doctor (depending on if you need your physician's referral) what diagnostic code they will use in the report or referral. > > If you have already received a denial of insurance because of the " developmental " confusion, you will need to provide documentation to your insurance company or HMO demonstrating that the speech difficulty is of a severity that it will not " go away " without treatment. Sometimes describing the condition as a neurological disorder seems to help. Review the Pub Med literature for appropriate quotes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Don't want to give your false hope here, but some insurance companies typically deny coverage for things which they do cover. I'd enlist the physician's office in this appeal. Check out this article. It might give you some ideas on how to get coverage . . . http://www.insure.com/articles/healthinsurance/claim-denial.html > > Hi , > My daughter has diagnosis of Mixed Expressive/ Receptive Language Disorder under the diagnosis code ICD-9 315.32. > > How can I find if Blue Cross- Blue Shield PPO can paid for her therapist?? > The Insurance denied to pay. > > Please I need help , if you can give me any information I'll appreciate. > Thanks, > Teddy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 hi, Thank you for your answer, my daughter is 11 . The weird is BCBS paid for Sept08, Oct 08 and Dec 08 but refuse to pay Nov 08. I'll continue until they pay complete. Teddy From: Maureen <mosense@...> Subject: [ ] Re: Private Insurance coverage for Apraxia Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 7:28 AM dont forget the paper trail!! How old is your daughter? You may need a new eval to try to have a new code submitted. read what was already provided below.I have heard any code in the 300's is often denied. > > > From: socialwkr@.. . <socialwkr@. ..> > Subject: [childrensapraxiane t] Re: Private Insurance coverage for Apraxia > @groups. com > Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 5:14 PM > > > Insurance Codes: The insurance paperwork filled out by the speech-language pathologist or pediatrician often requires a code number. Some codes are red flags for denials. A great code to use if you have a child with apraxia is 781.3 which is " lack of muscle coordination /coordination disorder. " This shows a physical diagnosis, which is typically covered, versus a developmental diagnosis, which is typically not covered. > > > >> Therapists and doctors use diagnostic codes for insurance purposes. Again, the provider should not code a diagnosis for a child with an articulation disorder as " developmental delay " (code 315.9) or " developmental speech or language " (code 315.31). Codes to use are: a neurological code (codes 340 - 349) or coordination disorder (code 315.4). It is worth your while to ask the therapist or doctor (depending on if you need your physician's referral) what diagnostic code they will use in the report or referral. > > If you have already received a denial of insurance because of the " developmental " confusion, you will need to provide documentation to your insurance company or HMO demonstrating that the speech difficulty is of a severity that it will not " go away " without treatment. Sometimes describing the condition as a neurological disorder seems to help. Review the Pub Med literature for appropriate quotes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Thanks for your advice. Teddy From: orelindel <whatmattersmost@...> Subject: [ ] Re: Private Insurance coverage for Apraxia Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 8:37 AM Don't want to give your false hope here, but some insurance companies typically deny coverage for things which they do cover. I'd enlist the physician's office in this appeal. Check out this article. It might give you some ideas on how to get coverage . . . http://www.insure. com/articles/ healthinsurance/ claim-denial. html > > Hi , > My daughter has diagnosis of Mixed Expressive/ Receptive Language Disorder under the diagnosis code ICD-9 315.32. > > How can I find if Blue Cross- Blue Shield PPO can paid for her therapist?? > The Insurance denied to pay. > > Please I need help , if you can give me any information I'll appreciate. > Thanks, > Teddy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 It might depend on what type of plan you have, than the company. Do you have an out of network option? If you have a PPO with a network only option, then they'll probably deny anything from an out of network provider. Good luck, it's never easy to deal with these things > > > From: socialwkr@... <socialwkr@...> > Subject: [ ] Re: Private Insurance coverage for Apraxia > > Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 5:14 PM > > > > > > > > > My daughter, age 6, has been in Speech since age 3 but we only started claiming on insurance last year - and it's all been denied/appealed/ denied/medical review/denied/ appealed - etc... > > The best advice I have seen on this is at the following website - here's the link - > http://www.speechvi lle.com/diagnosi s-destinations/ apraxia/insuranc e.html > > One of the main things I learned was not to use a code that involves the word " developmental " , and also to be sure to specify that the speech therapy is " rehabilitative " . > > Here is parts of the information from that site: > Insurance coverage for speech therapy is often provided but can require some legwork on your part. > > Duration of treatment: If your policy specifies that therapy is a " short-term " benefit only, then the speech therapist must submit objectives and goals for short-term durations, i.e. two months or so at a time. Toward the end of the two month period, the therapist will submit a report of progress with renewed objectives and goals for the next two months (and so on). > > Insurance Codes: The insurance paperwork filled out by the speech-language pathologist or pediatrician often requires a code number. Some codes are red flags for denials. A great code to use if you have a child with apraxia is 781.3 which is " lack of muscle coordination /coordination disorder. " This shows a physical diagnosis, which is typically covered, versus a developmental diagnosis, which is typically not covered. > > Website at which to Research Codes: > The code for apraxia is under ICD-9 Codes. Insurance Code Website > > Also see Dr. Marilyn Agin's advice, " Insurance: Dealing with the Big Guys, " at Children's Apraxia Net and read message number 263. > > Denials and Appeals: If you are denied coverage for your child's speech and language therapy, always ask for the denial in writing and appeal the decision using the proper appeal procedure within your insurance company. Insurance companies count on consumers not appealing decisions. And the fact is that most people don't. All along the way, document your phone calls to the insurance company and also be sure to note whom you spoke with (first and last names) and what date you spoke to them. Keep brief notes about what each person told you. Documentation can be helpful for an appeal. In some states, even if (or regardless whether) you have exhausted appeal procedures within your insurance company, you can appeal to your state's insurance commission (and some state insurance commissions now allow the filing of complaints via the Web). > > The Stroke Caregiver's Handbook advises that consumers not pay medical bills until you have exhausted the insurance appeals process: " One major insurance provider admitted that 98% of all judgments are reversed when appealed. Once you pay $1 of a bill, you are claiming full responsibility for that bill, and once you pay a doctor or hospital yourself, you will spend years trying to get that money back from the insurance company, if at all. " > > One of the most important things to do when applying for insurance coverage of speech and language-related therapy is to ensure that the evaluator (that is, the speech-language pathologist) does not use the word " developmental " in his or her report, as in " a developmental Articulation Disorder " . While the word " developmental " is a common one in speech therapy literature, for many families the use of the word has been the sole cause of denials of insurance coverage. Insurance companies' claims evaluators see the word " developmental " and think, " developmental delay. " Most insurance companies and HMOs do not see it as their responsibility to pay for speech therapy if speech is developmentally delayed, which they interpret to mean " will improve with time, with or without treatment " . The person who is denying claims often does not know that the phrase " developmental Articulation Disorder " is not the same as " developmental delay, " nor may he or she know that > the word " developmental " is used within the academic literature primarily to distinguish the condition from one that is occurring in an adult. > > The insurance company might also be confusing an " articulation disorder " with a " developmental disability " . The United States government's definition of " developmental disability " requires that the disability be a mental and/or physical impairment, manifest before the individual is 22 years old, will likely continue indefinitely, results in substantial functional limitations in 3 or more major life activities, and will necessitate special services and supports of either lifelong or extended duration. An articulation disorder is not a " developmental disability, " though it can co-occur, in some children, with a developmental disability. Regardless of whether or not a child is developmentally disabled, in addition to having an articulation disorder, the insurance company should not deny the claim on the basis of the developmental disability, if speech therapy would otherwise be covered. > > Therapists and doctors use diagnostic codes for insurance purposes. Again, the provider should not code a diagnosis for a child with an articulation disorder as " developmental delay " (code 315.9) or " developmental speech or language " (code 315.31). Codes to use are: a neurological code (codes 340 - 349) or coordination disorder (code 315.4). It is worth your while to ask the therapist or doctor (depending on if you need your physician's referral) what diagnostic code they will use in the report or referral. > > If you have already received a denial of insurance because of the " developmental " confusion, you will need to provide documentation to your insurance company or HMO demonstrating that the speech difficulty is of a severity that it will not " go away " without treatment. Sometimes describing the condition as a neurological disorder seems to help. Review the Pub Med literature for appropriate quotes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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