Re: PCA-Rx (Clathration Therapy)

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I actually had someone ask me about it that used nutriiveda instead -so will

share what I found that I have from my email. In short as a teeny bottle is 100

dollars -yogurt to me seems to be a more cost effective way to get the

Lactobacillus, Acidophilus Salivarus and Streptococcus Thermophilus in it. But

some of the other ingredients you may or may not even want to use, at least

without checking this out fully...you may want to pick them apart and share with

a few medical and nutritional professionals.

Here is what I found on the remaining main ingredients of this nose spray

outside of the bacterias typically found in yogurt that you need to spray into

your child's nose 4X to 8X a day (starting at just 1 or 2X due to side effects)

# Hemophilus subspecies

# Beneficial soil bacteria

# Lipopolysaccharides

# Alginic, Ferric, and Lipoic acids

# Hydrated silica

Well the first thing that hit 'me' was...what the heck is " beneficial soil

bacteria " I mean -who knew those mud pies I made when I was little were good

enough to eat?! So I looked and found just what I expected:

" Jini Patel , author of the book, the " IBD Remission Diet. " quotes

Natasha Trenev who she says is a " world renowned expert on microorganisms and

maintains one of the largest research libraries on that topic in the world. " She

says, " Tenev outlines why it is not safe to consume bacterial soil organisms . "

She states, " To summarize the research briefly, soil organisms (SO) are spore

formers, so they make make good competitors for yeast, fungus and other

pathogens. This is why so many people taking soil organisms will initially

experience very favorable results. However these spores are are extremely

difficult to kill, surviving sterilants, disinfectants, acceleration forces,

heat, pressure, radiation and many antibiotics. Strong antibiotics -- like

Vancomycin -- can suppress certain spores. Spores are so persistent in the

intestines that another round of germination may occur after the the drug is

stopped. Soil organisms can also adapt loose genetic material and incorporate it

into their cellular structure - the ramifications of which are yet unknown.

Various soil organisms can also produce harmful peptides, affecting hemoglobin

in the blood. It's important to keep in mind that virtually all antibiotic drugs

were were initially developed from soil organisms and as antibiotics become more

potent, they cause more damage to the host, not just in the immediate gut

environment, but systematically as well. There are simply too many questions and

unknowns to sanction the use of soil organisms for human consumption and one can

certainly cannot qualify them as safe at this time. " from the Book nature's

internal healers

By Natasha Trenev

And speaking about spores and other things that are hard to kill -what about the

ingredient Hemophilus subspecies? May want to read the following because I

heard this bacteria is also hard to kill.

Causes of enzootic pneumonia

Enzootic pneumonia in calves is a multifactorial disease. Infectious agents,

environment, management and the immune status of the calves are all-important

factors in determining the outcome of an infection.

A multitude of infectious agents, including viruses, bacteria and Mycoplasma,

are involved in different combinations on different farms (Dyson and Linklater,

1976; Bryson et al., 1987; Caldow et al., 1988; Uttenthal et al., 1996). It is

often suggested that the viral and mycoplasmal agents are the primary infections

and the bacterial agents cause a secondary infection in an animal whose defences

have been weakened by the first infection. The most common viral agents isolated

from enzootic pneumonia cases are respiratory syncytial virus (RSV),

parainfluenza III virus (PI3), infectious bovine rhinotracheitis virus (IBR) and

bovine viral diarrhoea virus (BVD), some of which are discussed separately as

herd problems elsewhere in the compendium.

Mycoplasmal agents are usually considered to be the most common agents causing

the chronic form of enzootic pneumonia, even though Mycoplasma bovis has been

identified as the causative agent in many acute outbreaks as well.

The most commonly isolated bacterial organisms are Pasterurella and Hemophilus

subspecies.

www.thecattlesite.com/diseaseinfo/176/calf-pneumonia

Hydrated Silica is a whitener added to toothpaste...it's know to wear away

tooth enamel

Alginic acid is an antacid -there are many areas to be aware of prior to taking

this so may want to read this page first

http://www.drugs.com/cdi/alginic-acid-aluminum-magnesium-sodium-bicarbonate.html

And finally since you are spraying this into your child's nose...you may want to

know what happened to the following in the study called

Lipopolysaccharide-induced nasal cytokine response: a dose-response

evaluation...that's for another main ingredient ...Lipopolysaccharide

Eur Arch Otorhinolaryngol. 2000 Dec;257(10):527-32.

Lipopolysaccharide-induced nasal cytokine response: a dose-response evaluation.

Danuser B, Rebsamen H, Weber C, Krueger H.

Institut für Hygiene und Arbeitsphysiologie, Swiss Federal Institute of

Technology, Zurich. danuser@...

Abstract

Information on the dose-response relationship is a prerequisite to defining the

non-response threshold of exposure. We investigated whether nasal

lipopolysaccharide (LPS) challenges induce an inflammatory response in a

dose-dependent way. In three settings nasal lavage was performed before, and 20

min, 1, 6, 23, and 29 h after instillation of 0 microg, 10 microg, and 40 microg

LPS for 10 s, in seven healthy subjects. Lavage fluids were analysed for

concentrations of interleukin-6 (IL-6), IL-8, tumour necrosis factor-alpha

(TNF-alpha), histamine, and albumin. Symptoms were recorded by questionnaire and

spirometric lung function was assessed after each lavage. The instillation of 40

microg LPS caused a small increase in nasal symptoms. TNF-alpha was below the

detection limit (0.5 pg/ml) in most subjects and, like IL-8 and albumin, showed

no relation to the LPS challenge. IL-6 increased over twofold with 10 microg LPS

and over 13-fold with 40 microg LPS, with a peak at 6 h after LPS provocation,

and the repeated design ANOVA was significant for dose and for time. Six hours

after the 40 microg LPS challenge the histamine level significantly increased

compared to the saline treatment. We conclude that short-lasting instillation of

LPS causes a dose-dependent IL-6 release in the upper airways and minor nasal

symptoms.

PMID: 11195030 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Also there is a discussion about this here at Onibasu and it appears that the

reaction is either " sometimes good sometimes hazardous "

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/105375.html Ummm no thank you!!!

Gabby did you check out nutriiveda? Please share the ingredients of nutriiveda

with your child's doctor and see which one he recommends.

http://pursuitofresearch.org/ingredients.html or share

http://pursuitofresearch.org/NutriiVeda_Information.pdf Nutriiveda has natural

detox properties and as you may know from this group and we explain why on the

theory page http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html -no known side effects

unless of course you are allergic which is pretty rare as it contains none of

the primary allergens and each ingredient is certified 100 percent whole food,

and that is where the nutrients and all the essential amino acids come from.

And best news -no harm of worrying about the spores and bacteria that I just

shared here about that could affect your innocent child months or years from

now. We all know there are conditions far worse than autism...deadly ones come

to mind for example.

I guess unlike most here I don't just go by what one doctor tells me to give my

child -I seek many opinions and do my own research as well. I highly suggest

all do the same.

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