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I just did a search for Easter Seals in Houston and only found Austin. I

wrote them. Thanks. As far as colleges, how would I found one that offers

that? Just call? The closest to us is a community college.

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Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:36 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Feeling totally lost and defeated. Need

speech help for my son!

I had my son evaluated through TX state here in town. I called to cancel b/c

we too are strapped for money and they waived the fee. I am now seeing if

they will give him a grant or scholarship for their summer speech program. I

also met a lady in San who had her son in speech with the Easter

Seals, but they aren't here in town. Maybe you could check them out?

>

> Do you have any local colleges that have speech programs? We have a

> wonderful one here in Springfield, MO, and they do a sliding scale.

> Just a thought... hang in there!

>

>

>

> [ ] Feeling totally lost and

> defeated. Need speech help for my son!

>

>

>

>

> I am hoping someone can help me with advice. My son has only

> been in PPCD (Preschool Program for Children with Disabilities) since

> his third birthday (one month ago) and the school district said he

> doesn't qualify for the summer program because they haven't been able to

> see him long enough to see if he regresses. They said he may next summer

> if they see regression.

>

> I am frustrated because our insurance will not cover speech

> services and we cannot afford to pay out of our pocket. Are there any

> grants or national programs to help parents pay for speech therapy out

> of their pockets? I have googled and searched and read forum after forum

> but feel totally overwhelmed and completely lost. He has not officially

> been diagnosed as apraxic but I emailed our neurologist with the new

> info I have learned here. He has Chromosome 22q11.2 Duplication Syndrome

> which means nothing to the insurance company and no one knows what to do

> with that diagnosis at the school etc. since it's a relatively newly

> identified syndrome. He qualified for PPCD at the school for speech

> delay. A developmental specialist told us a few weeks ago that he is on

> the autism spectrum, but the school said we will have an ARD in August

> and set up an eval by their specialist for an official diagnosis. The

> thing is, we are not sure if he is on the spectrum. We are pretty sure

> (and his OT is too) that he has Sensory Processing Disorder. He flaps

> when excited, when he sees fans, etc and lines up his trains and plays

> with them all of the time, but he is social with adults, smiles, etc.

> The neurologist and geneticist originally said they don't think he's

> autistic, that it's caused by his syndrome, but we have been told he may

> get more services if he is on the spectrum. Very confusing.

>

> He is very smart and tries to speak but no one can understand

> him (except a few words like did it, done done done, car, dada, mama,

> nonono, etc). He struggles to get sounds out but will repeat the same

> long paragraph twice. It sounds like total gibberish to most but I can

> tell he is saying something because he repeats the same thing. When I

> tried to get him to say car he got it out but took forever to get the c

> out and sounded very guttural. He has never blown out a candle or blown

> bubbles or blown at all and has never licked his lips. He will push

> stuff off of his lips into his mouth. He gets some speech at PPCD right

> now but won't during the summer. He was in ECI from about 19 months of

> age until he graduated out at the age of three and was sent to PPCD the

> day after his third birthday. They focused very much on his very delayed

> walking. He started walking a few months ago on his own after orthotics,

> OT, PT and a walker helped him gain strength. He still has balance

> issues though and falls a good bit. I am in Texas. I know this is

> rambling, but I feel very lost as he has symptoms that are all over and

> it's hard to classify him so that he can get services covered by

> insurance. I have fought the insurance over and over and the geneticist

> and neurologist have called as well as the speech path that did his

> intake at the place he gets private OT and PT. Would a diagnosis of

> apraxia help? The reason the insurance says they are denying is because

> of the reasons I read in The Late Talker. He didn't lose his speech

> through tramatic brain injury or an accident.

>

> Do I have any options to get him help with us being financially

> strapped? We make over the amount required to get things like Medicaid,

> etc. I have heard of waiver programs, but was told there are very very

> long waiting lists. He is so young and I don't want to miss this early

> window of learning opportunity or lose the progress he has had at school

> so far. It seems almost like only the well off or those with a means to

> get money somewhere get the best treatment for their children. He has a

> 60 visit cap on any type of therapy as well and we are at about 32

> visits (OT and PT) so far.

>

> Thanks for your help.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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You would want to look for one that has an established program for

speech therapy. I would probably use google... then try the phone.

Sorry... I was lucky enough that a developmental center close to us

recommended them.

Meyer

[ ] Feeling totally lost and

> defeated. Need speech help for my son!

>

>

>

>

> I am hoping someone can help me with advice. My son has only

> been in PPCD (Preschool Program for Children with

Disabilities) since

> his third birthday (one month ago) and the school district

said he

> doesn't qualify for the summer program because they haven't

been able to

> see him long enough to see if he regresses. They said he may

next summer

> if they see regression.

>

> I am frustrated because our insurance will not cover speech

> services and we cannot afford to pay out of our pocket. Are

there any

> grants or national programs to help parents pay for speech

therapy out

> of their pockets? I have googled and searched and read forum

after forum

> but feel totally overwhelmed and completely lost. He has not

officially

> been diagnosed as apraxic but I emailed our neurologist with

the new

> info I have learned here. He has Chromosome 22q11.2

Duplication Syndrome

> which means nothing to the insurance company and no one knows

what to do

> with that diagnosis at the school etc. since it's a relatively

newly

> identified syndrome. He qualified for PPCD at the school for

speech

> delay. A developmental specialist told us a few weeks ago that

he is on

> the autism spectrum, but the school said we will have an ARD

in August

> and set up an eval by their specialist for an official

diagnosis. The

> thing is, we are not sure if he is on the spectrum. We are

pretty sure

> (and his OT is too) that he has Sensory Processing Disorder.

He flaps

> when excited, when he sees fans, etc and lines up his trains

and plays

> with them all of the time, but he is social with adults,

smiles, etc.

> The neurologist and geneticist originally said they don't

think he's

> autistic, that it's caused by his syndrome, but we have been

told he may

> get more services if he is on the spectrum. Very confusing.

>

> He is very smart and tries to speak but no one can understand

> him (except a few words like did it, done done done, car,

dada, mama,

> nonono, etc). He struggles to get sounds out but will repeat

the same

> long paragraph twice. It sounds like total gibberish to most

but I can

> tell he is saying something because he repeats the same thing.

When I

> tried to get him to say car he got it out but took forever to

get the c

> out and sounded very guttural. He has never blown out a candle

or blown

> bubbles or blown at all and has never licked his lips. He will

push

> stuff off of his lips into his mouth. He gets some speech at

PPCD right

> now but won't during the summer. He was in ECI from about 19

months of

> age until he graduated out at the age of three and was sent to

PPCD the

> day after his third birthday. They focused very much on his

very delayed

> walking. He started walking a few months ago on his own after

orthotics,

> OT, PT and a walker helped him gain strength. He still has

balance

> issues though and falls a good bit. I am in Texas. I know this

is

> rambling, but I feel very lost as he has symptoms that are all

over and

> it's hard to classify him so that he can get services covered

by

> insurance. I have fought the insurance over and over and the

geneticist

> and neurologist have called as well as the speech path that

did his

> intake at the place he gets private OT and PT. Would a

diagnosis of

> apraxia help? The reason the insurance says they are denying

is because

> of the reasons I read in The Late Talker. He didn't lose his

speech

> through tramatic brain injury or an accident.

>

> Do I have any options to get him help with us being

financially

> strapped? We make over the amount required to get things like

Medicaid,

> etc. I have heard of waiver programs, but was told there are

very very

> long waiting lists. He is so young and I don't want to miss

this early

> window of learning opportunity or lose the progress he has had

at school

> so far. It seems almost like only the well off or those with a

means to

> get money somewhere get the best treatment for their children.

He has a

> 60 visit cap on any type of therapy as well and we are at

about 32

> visits (OT and PT) so far.

>

> Thanks for your help.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Thank you so much for your time and the info. I am going to call. That is

about an hour drive from us but I am going to call and find out more info.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of liralendoncov

Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 2:27 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Feeling totally lost and defeated. Need

speech help for my son!

look up the colleges that offer speech pathology or communication disorders

as a degree and call that department and see if they do evaluations. My son

was seen by a professor and two graduate students and the rest of the class

was behind a mirrored window observing. They wrote up a 5 page report on

their findings and recommendations. I had heard about the clinic through a

friend whose son was evaluated for sensory issues there. then I googled TX

State speech and the clinic web page came up.

http://www.class.uh.edu/comd/uslhc/

http://facstaff.uww.edu/bradleys/cdprograms.html#tx

according to this list it looks like University of Houston is the only uni

to offer a speech clinic in Houston.

> >

> > Do you have any local colleges that have speech programs? We have a

> > wonderful one here in Springfield, MO, and they do a sliding scale.

> > Just a thought... hang in there!

> >

> >

> >

> > [ ] Feeling totally lost and

> > defeated. Need speech help for my son!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I am hoping someone can help me with advice. My son has only

> > been in PPCD (Preschool Program for Children with Disabilities) since

> > his third birthday (one month ago) and the school district said he

> > doesn't qualify for the summer program because they haven't been able to

> > see him long enough to see if he regresses. They said he may next summer

> > if they see regression.

> >

> > I am frustrated because our insurance will not cover speech

> > services and we cannot afford to pay out of our pocket. Are there any

> > grants or national programs to help parents pay for speech therapy out

> > of their pockets? I have googled and searched and read forum after forum

> > but feel totally overwhelmed and completely lost. He has not officially

> > been diagnosed as apraxic but I emailed our neurologist with the new

> > info I have learned here. He has Chromosome 22q11.2 Duplication Syndrome

> > which means nothing to the insurance company and no one knows what to do

> > with that diagnosis at the school etc. since it's a relatively newly

> > identified syndrome. He qualified for PPCD at the school for speech

> > delay. A developmental specialist told us a few weeks ago that he is on

> > the autism spectrum, but the school said we will have an ARD in August

> > and set up an eval by their specialist for an official diagnosis. The

> > thing is, we are not sure if he is on the spectrum. We are pretty sure

> > (and his OT is too) that he has Sensory Processing Disorder. He flaps

> > when excited, when he sees fans, etc and lines up his trains and plays

> > with them all of the time, but he is social with adults, smiles, etc.

> > The neurologist and geneticist originally said they don't think he's

> > autistic, that it's caused by his syndrome, but we have been told he may

> > get more services if he is on the spectrum. Very confusing.

> >

> > He is very smart and tries to speak but no one can understand

> > him (except a few words like did it, done done done, car, dada, mama,

> > nonono, etc). He struggles to get sounds out but will repeat the same

> > long paragraph twice. It sounds like total gibberish to most but I can

> > tell he is saying something because he repeats the same thing. When I

> > tried to get him to say car he got it out but took forever to get the c

> > out and sounded very guttural. He has never blown out a candle or blown

> > bubbles or blown at all and has never licked his lips. He will push

> > stuff off of his lips into his mouth. He gets some speech at PPCD right

> > now but won't during the summer. He was in ECI from about 19 months of

> > age until he graduated out at the age of three and was sent to PPCD the

> > day after his third birthday. They focused very much on his very delayed

> > walking. He started walking a few months ago on his own after orthotics,

> > OT, PT and a walker helped him gain strength. He still has balance

> > issues though and falls a good bit. I am in Texas. I know this is

> > rambling, but I feel very lost as he has symptoms that are all over and

> > it's hard to classify him so that he can get services covered by

> > insurance. I have fought the insurance over and over and the geneticist

> > and neurologist have called as well as the speech path that did his

> > intake at the place he gets private OT and PT. Would a diagnosis of

> > apraxia help? The reason the insurance says they are denying is because

> > of the reasons I read in The Late Talker. He didn't lose his speech

> > through tramatic brain injury or an accident.

> >

> > Do I have any options to get him help with us being financially

> > strapped? We make over the amount required to get things like Medicaid,

> > etc. I have heard of waiver programs, but was told there are very very

> > long waiting lists. He is so young and I don't want to miss this early

> > window of learning opportunity or lose the progress he has had at school

> > so far. It seems almost like only the well off or those with a means to

> > get money somewhere get the best treatment for their children. He has a

> > 60 visit cap on any type of therapy as well and we are at about 32

> > visits (OT and PT) so far.

> >

> > Thanks for your help.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I would just research colleges in your areas online and look at the departments

they have, if there is a speech and language or may be under

communication-that's where they would probably list it if they have a speech and

language clinic.  Have you checked with your state laws also regarding

insurance coverage>? I thought I remembered that Texas (that is where you are at

right?) had passed a law on it. Maybe I'm thinking of a different state.  Just

curious what insurance do you have? We have Cigna and were denied for both of

our boys because of the very same reason, it's awful I know! It should be

against the law for an insurance company to deny all our kids the right to learn

how to talk!  Google speechville and there site should come up that will give

alot of information dealing with insurance companies etc. And have you checked

the apraxia kids website? Good luck!!From: Stilwell

<shannonstilwellgmail (DOT) com>

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Feeling totally lost and defeated. Need

speech help for my son!

Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 1:01 PM

 

I just did a search for Easter Seals in Houston and only found Austin. I

wrote them. Thanks. As far as colleges, how would I found one that offers

that? Just call? The closest to us is a community college.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of liralendoncov

Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:36 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Feeling totally lost and defeated. Need

speech help for my son!

I had my son evaluated through TX state here in town. I called to cancel b/c

we too are strapped for money and they waived the fee. I am now seeing if

they will give him a grant or scholarship for their summer speech program. I

also met a lady in San who had her son in speech with the Easter

Seals, but they aren't here in town. Maybe you could check them out?

>

> Do you have any local colleges that have speech programs? We have a

> wonderful one here in Springfield, MO, and they do a sliding scale.

> Just a thought... hang in there!

>

>

>

> [ ] Feeling totally lost and

> defeated. Need speech help for my son!

>

>

>

>

> I am hoping someone can help me with advice. My son has only

> been in PPCD (Preschool Program for Children with Disabilities) since

> his third birthday (one month ago) and the school district said he

> doesn't qualify for the summer program because they haven't been able to

> see him long enough to see if he regresses. They said he may next summer

> if they see regression.

>

> I am frustrated because our insurance will not cover speech

> services and we cannot afford to pay out of our pocket. Are there any

> grants or national programs to help parents pay for speech therapy out

> of their pockets? I have googled and searched and read forum after forum

> but feel totally overwhelmed and completely lost. He has not officially

> been diagnosed as apraxic but I emailed our neurologist with the new

> info I have learned here. He has Chromosome 22q11.2 Duplication Syndrome

> which means nothing to the insurance company and no one knows what to do

> with that diagnosis at the school etc. since it's a relatively newly

> identified syndrome. He qualified for PPCD at the school for speech

> delay. A developmental specialist told us a few weeks ago that he is on

> the autism spectrum, but the school said we will have an ARD in August

> and set up an eval by their specialist for an official diagnosis. The

> thing is, we are not sure if he is on the spectrum. We are pretty sure

> (and his OT is too) that he has Sensory Processing Disorder. He flaps

> when excited, when he sees fans, etc and lines up his trains and plays

> with them all of the time, but he is social with adults, smiles, etc.

> The neurologist and geneticist originally said they don't think he's

> autistic, that it's caused by his syndrome, but we have been told he may

> get more services if he is on the spectrum. Very confusing.

>

> He is very smart and tries to speak but no one can understand

> him (except a few words like did it, done done done, car, dada, mama,

> nonono, etc). He struggles to get sounds out but will repeat the same

> long paragraph twice. It sounds like total gibberish to most but I can

> tell he is saying something because he repeats the same thing. When I

> tried to get him to say car he got it out but took forever to get the c

> out and sounded very guttural. He has never blown out a candle or blown

> bubbles or blown at all and has never licked his lips. He will push

> stuff off of his lips into his mouth. He gets some speech at PPCD right

> now but won't during the summer. He was in ECI from about 19 months of

> age until he graduated out at the age of three and was sent to PPCD the

> day after his third birthday. They focused very much on his very delayed

> walking. He started walking a few months ago on his own after orthotics,

> OT, PT and a walker helped him gain strength. He still has balance

> issues though and falls a good bit. I am in Texas. I know this is

> rambling, but I feel very lost as he has symptoms that are all over and

> it's hard to classify him so that he can get services covered by

> insurance. I have fought the insurance over and over and the geneticist

> and neurologist have called as well as the speech path that did his

> intake at the place he gets private OT and PT. Would a diagnosis of

> apraxia help? The reason the insurance says they are denying is because

> of the reasons I read in The Late Talker. He didn't lose his speech

> through tramatic brain injury or an accident.

>

> Do I have any options to get him help with us being financially

> strapped? We make over the amount required to get things like Medicaid,

> etc. I have heard of waiver programs, but was told there are very very

> long waiting lists. He is so young and I don't want to miss this early

> window of learning opportunity or lose the progress he has had at school

> so far. It seems almost like only the well off or those with a means to

> get money somewhere get the best treatment for their children. He has a

> 60 visit cap on any type of therapy as well and we are at about 32

> visits (OT and PT) so far.

>

> Thanks for your help.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Here is the private practice of a friend of mine:

http://www.stoneoaktherapy.com is the director

They are in San , not sure how far that is from you. They do take

insurance too. :)

Warmest wishes,

Barbara , M.S., CCC-SLP

www.helpmespeak.com

410-442-9791

Ask me about NutriiVeda!

On May 26, 2010, at 8:57 PM, " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...> wrote:

> Hi !

>

> In addition to the information I sent to you in private (which I'll put below)

I have an archive on how to get services from your area below -but don't forget

I have an entire page on how to get coverage through your insurance company on

our apraxia.org page here

> insurance and speech therapy

> http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=115029735601 & topic=13830

>

> Actually just checked that page and saw your comment! So know you

found that one -here's some other info to hopefully help!

>

> Re: Just found out that Speech Therapy is not covered

>

> Dear Sara,

>

> Do you know for 'sure' that speech therapy is not covered by state

> funded health care? What about oral motor therapy? Say your child

> has trouble eating or drinking- is therapy for that covered? Play

> the game -find out what type of speech therapy is covered by the

> state and I'm sure if your child is apraxic you can get coded for

> that. Apraxia is rarly 'just' a motor planning issue as many also

> have tonal issues, weakness, sensory issues that overlap. Also don't

> take no for an answer so quick. Most do -but insurance companies

> count on the fact that only 10% will fight a " no " They may say " no "

> again -and again only 10% will fight that second no. By the third

> fight however you are not probably working with someone who has a

> clue -and since you are at this point 10% of 10% (of 10%) you'll

> probably get a yes.

>

> Besides I just quickly did a search at Google and I found that speech

> therapy is covered by most state funded health care. Here's a few

> quotes from one of the sites:

> http://www2.doh.wa.gov/HWS/doc/MCH/MCH_CSN2004.doc

>

> " Children in special education programs are eligible for educational

> services from ages 3 to 21, including nursing care, physical therapy,

> speech therapy, occupational therapy, and special education.

> According to the National Survey of CSHCN, about 32% of Washington's

> children with special needs in this age group were enrolled in

> special education programs, including more than half of children with

> special needs identified as having functional limitations. Data from

> a 1997 survey of school nurses in Washington showed that all school

> districts in the state serve at least one child with a chronic

> illness.13 Nationally, children with special health care needs

> experience three times as many school absences as other children.7

> These absences affect the child's educational progress and may also

> interrupt school-based therapies and services that promote the

> child's overall well being. "

>

> " Low income. Accessing health care is more difficult for families

> with low incomes. Among other issues, these families face problems

> with transportation, difficulty maintaining continuity of providers,

> and the unwillingness of providers to include in their practice

> clients who are uninsured or enrolled in Medicaid.15 In the 2002

> Washington State Medicaid Client Satisfaction Survey, families with

> children with special needs were statistically more likely to report

> problems getting care, medications, occupational, physical or speech

> therapy, and referral to a specialist than families without children

> with special needs.16 "

>

> 16 " Washington State Medical Assistance Administration, Consumer

> Assessment of Health Plans, 2002 "

>

> Fight for your child's rights - because we know if you don't your

> child's SLP won't either. (Time for a new one even if you could

> afford her!) Anyone else here from Washington State to help? Here's

> some of the support sources I found at Speechville:

>

> Support Contacts*:

> Houston Area Support Group for Developmental Apraxia of Speech

> Contact: Mimi Branham MA, CCC-SLP

> E-Mail: teala@...

> Phone: (713) 807-1131

>

> Support Contacts*:

>

> Contact: Robyn

> Southlake, Texas

> E-mail: mysticcreek@...

>

> Contact: Marilyn May

> Northwestern Texas

> E-Mail: marilynsgm@...

>

> Contact: (Liz) Morabito

> Marshall, Texas

> E-Mail: MBALiz@...

> Phone: (903) 934-9046

>

> Contact:

> Dallas, Texas

> E-Mail: lapw@...

>

> Contact: Cheri E. , M.S. CCC-SLP

> Oklahoma and Texas

> E-Mail: C@...

>

> Things to do at home -yes answers for that too!

>

> The below link is a parent geared article I wrote for Contemporary

> Pediatrics; the trade magazine for pediatric medical professionals

> nationwide. The article is mainly pulled from The Late Talker book

> which I co authored with neurodevelopmental pediatrician Dr. Marilyn

> Agin, and International Journalist Malcolm Nicholl on things you can

> do to help stimulate speech in your late talker child at home:

>

>

http://contemporarypediatrics.modernmedicine.com/contpeds/data/articlestandard//\

contpeds/492004/136315/article.pdf

>

> Actually in many ways The Late Talker may be a help to you.

>

> Not in that article above -but Rhonda who was one of the founders of

> the nonprofit ECHO of Canada has said that the Kaufman Kit made her

> at that time her daughter's best SLP when there were no SLPs around

> that were aware of how to best help an apraxic child in her area of

> Canada...and she's not the first to say that. You can look for a

> used one -or at times people here have donated their old Kaufman Kits

> to moms like you in need (so head's up to someone who's child is

> doing well and you want to donate that kit to pay it forward!)

>

> Below are some archives on ways to secure inexpensive or free therapy

> services:

>

> Thu Jun 6, 2002 3:43 pm

> " kiddietalk " kiddietalk@...

> Re: College and ish Rite schools

>

> Hi Marsha!

>

> I'm not sure about a list of ish Rite schools -however, here are

> some links for Universities that have programs in Speech Language

> Pathology and Audiology. Contact the Universities located in your

> area and ask if they offer speech therapy services to the public. I

> believe all therapy is done by graduating students and is overseen by

> a PhD. They typically will provide therapy at nominal charge (maybe

> $15 or less for a half hour) Of course when word gets out - at times

> there is a waiting list for services - so it's worth checking out now!

>

> US -great resource and easy to navigate:

>

> http://facstaff.uww.edu/bradleys/cdprograms.html

>

> Canada

>

> http://www.caslpa.ca/english/connections/conn1.html

>

> UK/Ireland

>

> http://www.rcslt.org/courses.html

>

> Europe

>

> http://www1.ldc.lu.se/logopedi/europe/

>

> In addition -sometimes there are organizations like the ELKS that

> will sponsor children for subsidized therapy -ask around for that too

> through child services, Easter Seals, or office of disability (etc.)

> in your

> area.

>

> If anyone has any other comprehensive lists they would like to share -

> please do! Also a good list of oral based schools for the hearing

> impaired which may be worth looking into for your apraxic child is

> here: http://www.oraldeafed.org/schools/index.html

>

> If you visit Speechville and put in your state for resources you can

> find a list of Universities and so much more!

> http://www.speechville.com/regional-resources.html

>

> I'm not sure if you are in the US or not -but here in the US, once children

> turn three, if they are qualified for special education, they are

> eligible for FAPE -a free and appropriate education through the

> school -which typically early intervention professionals assist with

> that transfer (a few links below). I'm not sure if it's too late to

> get your child ESY (extended school year) services right now, but

> other qualified preschool and school age children are receiving that

> right now in your town. Either way -starting in the Fall, your

> child if qualified should enter your town's preschool disabled

> program -or whatever they call it where you live, where, if

> appropriate, you can advocate to have specific amounts of individual speech,

PT or OT

> therapy sessions written into Grace's IEP. The squeak always

> gets the grease though -so it appears you may have to push to

> continue the therapy that's appropriate for your child. The school

> is not required to provide the best therapy -just what is

> appropriate. When it comes to school law -it's complicated

> below are a few links

>

> http://www.listen-up.org/rights2/osep7.htm

> http://www.stnonline.com/stn/specialneeds/sn_federalaws.htm

> http://12.46.245.173/cfda/cfda.html

>

> When you seek out of district placement -the cool thing is that you

> don't have to only search other school districts, you can also

> search private schools. I have found over the years in this group

> that many of us had the best experience and success with our children

> with more severe speech impairments in schools for the hearing

> impaired. Personally I prefer the oral based schools based on our

> experience and those in this group with the Summit Speech School in

> New Providence, NJ. Here's a list of some others

> http://www.oraldeafed.org/schools/

> http://www.oraldeafed.org/schools/index-list.html

>

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We have Cigna too! We had Aetna until Dec. 31 and now Cigna. L

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Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:29 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Feeling totally lost and defeated. Need

speech help for my son!

Just curious what insurance do you have? We have Cigna and were denied for both

of our boys because of the very same reason, it's awful I know! It should be

against the law for an insurance company to deny all our kids the right to learn

how to talk! Google speechville and there site should come up that will give

alot of information dealing with insurance companies etc.

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Yeah, our plan under Cigna which they say is our employers choice to have speech

therapy has to be rehabilitative to be covered which really doesn't apply to the

needs of children.  My husband has contacted the HR department at his employer

to submit a request for that clause to be taken out because he knows there are

many other people in his company at our location alone that could benefit from

it, not to mention the other employer locations.  We tried to fight when we

first started 2 years ago and gave up but with 2 in speech therapy we are about

to try to fight again. My 4 year old receives speech thru the school also, but

the therapist is not very good-we are going to try to transfer him to another

one we recently met when took our 2 1/2 year old in to get evaluated for

services.  We qualified for financial assistance for private therapy which

helps a ton and we make decent money but even with financial assistance for 2 in

therapy at 30 min a week

for just one session for each of them we pay almost $500 a month which really

straps us tight.  I have had to go back to work part time to cover it and we

are still tight.  So, I really do feel your pain. 

I can't remember did you say how old your child was? If he's under 3, he should

qualify for Thur the state for services and if he's over 3, should qualify thru

the school district.  My 4 year old goes to preschool thru the school district

and gets therapy 3 times a week at school.  We won't know about my 2 year old

till Sept whether or not he will get in.  I'm sure he will qualify for therapy

but not sure about the preschool program.  I'm really going to push for it

because it helped my older son tremendously when he started preschool!

Tina

 

From: Stilwell <shannonstilwell@...>

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Feeling totally lost and defeated. Need

speech help for my son!

Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 8:01 AM

 

We have Cigna too! We had Aetna until Dec. 31 and now Cigna. L

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Tina Wawzysko

Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:29 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Feeling totally lost and defeated. Need

speech help for my son!

Just curious what insurance do you have? We have Cigna and were denied for both

of our boys because of the very same reason, it's awful I know! It should be

against the law for an insurance company to deny all our kids the right to learn

how to talk! Google speechville and there site should come up that will give

alot of information dealing with insurance companies etc.

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We also have Cigna. I was told after repeated denials that speech therapy is

not considered medically necessary ~ so basically he was telling me that being

able to talk is a luxury. It makes me sick to see the things they will cover

but helping my son learn to talk is not important.

RE: [ ] Re: Feeling totally lost and defeated. Need

speech help for my son!

Just curious what insurance do you have? We have Cigna and were denied for both

of our boys because of the very same reason, it's awful I know! It should be

against the law for an insurance company to deny all our kids the right to learn

how to talk! Google speechville and there site should come up that will give

alot of information dealing with insurance companies etc.

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My 3 year old is in PPCD at the school (started a day after his third birthday).

He goes from 8:10-11:10 but they are not approving any outside or summer

services until they can reeval him and have another ARD in August.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Tina Wawzysko

Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 8:46 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Feeling totally lost and defeated. Need

speech help for my son!

Yeah, our plan under Cigna which they say is our employers choice to have speech

therapy has to be rehabilitative to be covered which really doesn't apply to the

needs of children. My husband has contacted the HR department at his employer

to submit a request for that clause to be taken out because he knows there are

many other people in his company at our location alone that could benefit from

it, not to mention the other employer locations. We tried to fight when we

first started 2 years ago and gave up but with 2 in speech therapy we are about

to try to fight again. My 4 year old receives speech thru the school also, but

the therapist is not very good-we are going to try to transfer him to another

one we recently met when took our 2 1/2 year old in to get evaluated for

services. We qualified for financial assistance for private therapy which helps

a ton and we make decent money but even with financial assistance for 2 in

therapy at 30 min a week

for just one session for each of them we pay almost $500 a month which really

straps us tight. I have had to go back to work part time to cover it and we are

still tight. So, I really do feel your pain.

I can't remember did you say how old your child was? If he's under 3, he should

qualify for Thur the state for services and if he's over 3, should qualify thru

the school district. My 4 year old goes to preschool thru the school district

and gets therapy 3 times a week at school. We won't know about my 2 year old

till Sept whether or not he will get in. I'm sure he will qualify for therapy

but not sure about the preschool program. I'm really going to push for it

because it helped my older son tremendously when he started preschool!

Tina

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Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Feeling totally lost and defeated. Need

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Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 8:01 AM

We have Cigna too! We had Aetna until Dec. 31 and now Cigna. L

From:

<mailto: %40>

[mailto:

<mailto: %40> ] On Behalf Of Tina Wawzysko

Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:29 AM

<mailto: %40>

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Feeling totally lost and defeated. Need

speech help for my son!

Just curious what insurance do you have? We have Cigna and were denied for both

of our boys because of the very same reason, it's awful I know! It should be

against the law for an insurance company to deny all our kids the right to learn

how to talk! Google speechville and there site should come up that will give

alot of information dealing with insurance companies etc.

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As far as what is covered by insurance it varies a lot.   Each company has a

million different plans.  If you are not getting speech covered you need to

speak to your HR person at work.  It is the policy that your work was offered

not just that the insurance company will not pay. 

Maybe your work will look into upgrading there coverage.

Good luck,

Alyssa

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From: " kleach4112@... " <kleach4112@...>

Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 12:11:41 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Feeling totally lost and defeated. Need

speech help for my son!

 

We also have Cigna. I was told after repeated denials that speech therapy is not

considered medically necessary ~ so basically he was telling me that being able

to talk is a luxury. It makes me sick to see the things they will cover but

helping my son learn to talk is not important.

RE: [ ] Re: Feeling totally lost and defeated. Need

speech help for my son!

Just curious what insurance do you have? We have Cigna and were denied for both

of our boys because of the very same reason, it's awful I know! It should be

against the law for an insurance company to deny all our kids the right to learn

how to talk! Google speechville and there site should come up that will give

alot of information dealing with insurance companies etc.

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Try helping your child yourself, I found this was best for my child.  She was

diagnosed with apraxia and I brought her to 3 different places for help. It did

not help, the last one she went to 13 times and learned the word ( NO) KIND OF A

WASTE!!  I took her out of all therapy and her speech took off. She has not

cought up completely yet but she is close. We started by not giving her her way

all the time, just because she couldn't talk. We told her we couldn't understand

her jestures and that she needed to use words. It was tough at first, but it

worked better than the 2 1/2 years of speech. Also if it is a development delay

and not a diagnosis of a disability insurance doesen't cover it. If they had to

cover everything labeled a development delay could you imagine what they would

have to charge for insurance. Remember the more they have to pay the more they

have to charge and as you said it is expensive. And when the state has to pay

remember that is

your tax money.

From: Alyssa Nagy <aw_nagy@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Feeling totally lost and defeated. Need

speech help for my son!

Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 12:12 PM

 

As far as what is covered by insurance it varies a lot.   Each company has a

million different plans.  If you are not getting speech covered you need to

speak to your HR person at work.  It is the policy that your work was offered

not just that the insurance company will not pay. 

Maybe your work will look into upgrading there coverage.

Good luck,

Alyssa

________________________________

From: " kleach4112@... " <kleach4112@...>

Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 12:11:41 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Feeling totally lost and defeated. Need

speech help for my son!

 

We also have Cigna. I was told after repeated denials that speech therapy is not

considered medically necessary ~ so basically he was telling me that being able

to talk is a luxury. It makes me sick to see the things they will cover but

helping my son learn to talk is not important.

RE: [ ] Re: Feeling totally lost and defeated. Need

speech help for my son!

Just curious what insurance do you have? We have Cigna and were denied for both

of our boys because of the very same reason, it's awful I know! It should be

against the law for an insurance company to deny all our kids the right to learn

how to talk! Google speechville and there site should come up that will give

alot of information dealing with insurance companies etc.

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Oh I see, that is what we go thru too.  They won't approve him for summer

either. It's a frustrating sitaution with the school and the insurance

companies! Did you check out that facebook link? It had some pretty good info on

it, I just read through it.

From: Stilwell <shannonstilwell@...

<mailto:shannonstilwell%40gmail.com> >

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Feeling totally lost and defeated. Need

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<mailto: %40>

Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 8:01 AM

We have Cigna too! We had Aetna until Dec. 31 and now Cigna. L

From:

<mailto: %40>

[mailto:

<mailto: %40> ] On Behalf Of Tina Wawzysko

Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:29 AM

<mailto: %40>

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Feeling totally lost and defeated. Need

speech help for my son!

Just curious what insurance do you have? We have Cigna and were denied for both

of our boys because of the very same reason, it's awful I know! It should be

against the law for an insurance company to deny all our kids the right to learn

how to talk! Google speechville and there site should come up that will give

alot of information dealing with insurance companies etc.

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Hi , I know you were not writing to me but if you need speech therapy you

can get on the waiting list while you look for other programs. The United Way

and Easter Seals sometimes pay for speech therapy. The Shriners is another good

source that

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Hi everyone we too have Cigna, I'm still fighting with them, we've been denied 3

times, I even have my husband's company involved now, doesn't look promising but

I'm still fighting. CJ's mom

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Sent: Sat, June 5, 2010 9:38:44 AM

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We had cigna too and we appealed it twice and they still did not pay.

>

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I had a therapist tell me the same thing- that my daughter was CHOOSING not to

talk, and that it was a behavioral issue. I was told not to give in to what she

wanted without some form of communication from her. It was AWEFUL. I finally

" woke the * & %$ up " and told the lady that I see the frustration in her eyes, and

if she could talk she would. I thank God that we now have therapists that are

patient with her, and have done everything in their power to see her succeed.

And I have realized as a parent that the best I can do for her is give her

encouragement and praise, as most activities are hard for her to accomplish

compared to others her age. I DO believe in the power of helping your child-

her therapist thinks we are great parents, and I know we are fanning the flames

of learning! However, there are things that her therapists have taught me and

noticed that are invaluable, and I am sssooooo grateful. I am happy that you

have been able to help your child, and would be interested if you have more

ideas of things to do at home. I will take ALL avenues for my child, including

NV and fish oil. We are also doing gymnastics and horseback riding now. I

don't care if I am broke, I am building a beautiful, smart, wonderful child into

a successful woman.

[ ] Re: Feeling totally lost and defeated. Need

speech help for my son!

Joan we all help our children but your advice would only work if a child has a

developmental delay in speech. Your advice actually would be not only

inappropriate but detrimental to a child who has an impairment of speech. You

took your child to 3 different places, one who taught your child to say the word

" no " which was in your words " KIND OF A WASTE!! " and I guess out of those 3

stuck with one of them for 2 and a half years with little to no progress? Why

did it take you 2 and a half years to realize that you not only were wasting

money but causing the rest of us to pay more for our health insurance (if it was

private) or pay more in taxes (if it was through the state) ...and I'm just

asking this based on your own advice which is what? Worry more about the rates

of insurance and taxes vs. what is appropriate for my child?

Why did it take you two and a half years though Joan to realize that you made a

mistake? And will it take another two a a half years for you to comprehend why

your advice to those with speech impaired children is not only

inappropriate...but just plain mean and potentially detrimental?

Children that have impairments of speech in most cases desperately want to

communicate but need help on learning how. Parents that have children like this

feel naturally enough guilt as to did they do anything to cause this and how can

they help their child? Your advice is typical of the ignorance that is blatant

in our society. Your advice both hurts the children and the parents of these

children. Yes we all help our children -but we do so based on what is

appropriate. You want to encourage and push a bit -you don't want to break which

WILL happen if your advice is used on a speech impaired child.

You and your child are fortunate that there was probably only a developmental

delay in speech. But please don't think that your advice is relevant or in any

way wise for this group which mainly deals with children that have IMPAIRMENTS

of speech.

I just want to end by thanking God for giving your a child who appears to only

have a developmental delay in speech.

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