Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Hi Mark, " Doc, you've gotta prescribe me some more Placebo- it's the only thing that works! " :-) Renewed NEs are due to the T, not a placebo effect. I think you'll notice continued improvement over the next couple of weeks. A nurse trained my wife to give me IM injections. Others here have techniques for self-injections, but I'm not limber enough for the necessary contortions. I injected IM with T-enanthate (Delatestryl). With T-cyp I inject SubQ in the thigh or abdomen, which is easier to self-administer. Best, Bruce > All, > > Started 250mg T-cyp injections every two weeks 15 days ago. About one > week after the first injection I started to feel better. Not great, > but definitely better. Not sure if this is placebo effect, a normal > upswing I get from time to time in my symptoms, or the shot; but I'm > hoping for the later. Like I said before I've started to noticed > nocturnal erections which I haven't had in awhile. > > Right now a family member who is a nurse is injecting me in the rear > end. I eventually want to learn how to do this myself. For those of > you self-injecting, where do you do it? If you do the rear end, how > do you manage the angles? > > Thanks, > Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Bruce, Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately my wife is very squimish with shots, so she's not going to learn unless its a life or death thing. And she is gone alot for work so its not really an option. Do you have any info on doing T-cyp subQ? My endo hadn't heard of that, but if it works it seems like it would be a lot easier. Rumor is my endo may be leaving town. Great. But my primary doc/CFS specialist said he will take over the treatment as long as he gets a plan from her. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Mark, No info., I haven't researched it. I inject T-cyp subQ because my doc told me so. He was right, it works for me. Last numbers were T 735, free T 25.6. Bruce > > Do you have any info on doing T-cyp subQ? My endo hadn't heard of > that, but if it works it seems like it would be a lot easier. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Have you thought of doing some foot reflexology?/ Barb [ ] Update and question Hi guys, My 5 yo started chelating at 3 1/2, was diagnosed SID at the time, although he was bordering PDD, some biological interventions prior to chelation, diet, a few days of SAMe chelation, and probiotics had improved his behavior a lot, yet cognitively he was very delayed. He is in round 59 of TD DMPS, 41 of them have been using TD ALA. He has had about 35 shots of mB 12, we stopped a year ago when we stopped seeing improvement. I have just re-introduced SAMe, and it is helping him a lot too. So the good results are, again, that he has been evaluated recently and he no longer has a " learning disability " or " SID " , he is scheduled to go to regular kindergarden with only related services, OT and ST. He is only diagnosed with " speech disability. " I am also chelating, I am in round 61 of DMSA or DMPS, 58 of them including ALA. My chronic fatigue has been shrinking, all the stuff I was taking before for it didn't seem to help, but now every thing I take does. Lately I wake up some times with pain in my left foot, around the ankles, sometimes it is so painful I can't walk, the pain disminishes during the day, my right foot is starting to be affected. Is this some sort of rheumatoid reaction, gout or fibromalgia due to lead or something? My husband, who I suspect has some mercury too, has pains in his feet lately that appear misteriously too. Raquel Raquel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Hi Barb: Reflexology is interesting. I would like to find out why I have this first, get to the root of it. Any idea? Raquel > > Have you thought of doing some foot reflexology?/ > > Barb > [ ] Update and question > > > Hi guys, > > My 5 yo started chelating at 3 1/2, was diagnosed SID at the time, > although he was bordering PDD, some biological interventions prior > to chelation, diet, a few days of SAMe chelation, and probiotics had > improved his behavior a lot, yet cognitively he was very delayed. > > He is in round 59 of TD DMPS, 41 of them have been using TD ALA. He > has had about 35 shots of mB 12, we stopped a year ago when we > stopped seeing improvement. I have just re-introduced SAMe, and it > is helping him a lot too. > > So the good results are, again, that he has been evaluated recently > and he no longer has a " learning disability " or " SID " , he is > scheduled to go to regular kindergarden with only related services, > OT and ST. He is only diagnosed with " speech disability. " > > I am also chelating, I am in round 61 of DMSA or DMPS, 58 of them > including ALA. My chronic fatigue has been shrinking, all the stuff > I was taking before for it didn't seem to help, but now every thing > I take does. > > Lately I wake up some times with pain in my left foot, around the > ankles, sometimes it is so painful I can't walk, the pain > disminishes during the day, my right foot is starting to be > affected. Is this some sort of rheumatoid reaction, gout or > fibromalgia due to lead or something? My husband, who I suspect has > some mercury too, has pains in his feet lately that appear > misteriously too. > > Raquel > > Raquel > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 > Lately I wake up some times with pain in my left foot, around the > ankles, sometimes it is so painful I can't walk, the pain > disminishes during the day, my right foot is starting to be > affected. Is this some sort of rheumatoid reaction, gout or > fibromalgia due to lead or something? My husband, who I suspect has > some mercury too, has pains in his feet lately that appear > misteriously too. This may or may not be helpful, but my #4 complains of foot pain when I give anti-virals. Her viruses are coming out in her feet, unlike my other kids. Try taking OLE or Virastop, see if that helps. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Well, many people with mercury poisoning get erratic pains in various parts of their body. I would just expect this is part of the process. Make sure you are getting enough minerals . . . Barb [ ] Update and question > > > Hi guys, > > My 5 yo started chelating at 3 1/2, was diagnosed SID at the time, > although he was bordering PDD, some biological interventions prior > to chelation, diet, a few days of SAMe chelation, and probiotics had > improved his behavior a lot, yet cognitively he was very delayed. > > He is in round 59 of TD DMPS, 41 of them have been using TD ALA. He > has had about 35 shots of mB 12, we stopped a year ago when we > stopped seeing improvement. I have just re-introduced SAMe, and it > is helping him a lot too. > > So the good results are, again, that he has been evaluated recently > and he no longer has a " learning disability " or " SID " , he is > scheduled to go to regular kindergarden with only related services, > OT and ST. He is only diagnosed with " speech disability. " > > I am also chelating, I am in round 61 of DMSA or DMPS, 58 of them > including ALA. My chronic fatigue has been shrinking, all the stuff > I was taking before for it didn't seem to help, but now every thing > I take does. > > Lately I wake up some times with pain in my left foot, around the > ankles, sometimes it is so painful I can't walk, the pain > disminishes during the day, my right foot is starting to be > affected. Is this some sort of rheumatoid reaction, gout or > fibromalgia due to lead or something? My husband, who I suspect has > some mercury too, has pains in his feet lately that appear > misteriously too. > > Raquel > > Raquel > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Raquel, You can check these out via google search, but off the top of my head: I think a rheumatoid issue would include swelling and perhaps redness and heat, and probably would not go away during the day (with activity). Gout causes pretty severe pain attacks, which this doesn't sound like. Fibromyalgia is more generalized (whole body). To me this sounds like arthritis or muscle/tendon issues. Either could be connected to metals or other toxins. I don't think there is a way to prove this (or to tease apart whether it is caused by the overall oxidative stress, or the metals being " in " the joint, or whatever), but I would suggest getting the problem diagnosed and treated. When I first got sick, I had severe foot pain (walking was quite excruciating at times). Mine was more in the soles and arches, though some stiffness all through the feet. For me, this got a lot better with massage and exercises. Now that I am chelating, I have more problems in my shoulder/upper back area than in my feet, but I do have to keep up some massage and exercises to keep my feet happy. -- > > Hi guys, > > My 5 yo started chelating at 3 1/2, was diagnosed SID at the time, > although he was bordering PDD, some biological interventions prior > to chelation, diet, a few days of SAMe chelation, and probiotics had > improved his behavior a lot, yet cognitively he was very delayed. > > He is in round 59 of TD DMPS, 41 of them have been using TD ALA. He > has had about 35 shots of mB 12, we stopped a year ago when we > stopped seeing improvement. I have just re-introduced SAMe, and it > is helping him a lot too. > > So the good results are, again, that he has been evaluated recently > and he no longer has a " learning disability " or " SID " , he is > scheduled to go to regular kindergarden with only related services, > OT and ST. He is only diagnosed with " speech disability. " > > I am also chelating, I am in round 61 of DMSA or DMPS, 58 of them > including ALA. My chronic fatigue has been shrinking, all the stuff > I was taking before for it didn't seem to help, but now every thing > I take does. > > Lately I wake up some times with pain in my left foot, around the > ankles, sometimes it is so painful I can't walk, the pain > disminishes during the day, my right foot is starting to be > affected. Is this some sort of rheumatoid reaction, gout or > fibromalgia due to lead or something? My husband, who I suspect has > some mercury too, has pains in his feet lately that appear > misteriously too. > > Raquel > > Raquel > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Rheumatoid arthritis is identified using a blood test to look for rheumatoid factor. Regular arthritis is identified by x-ray. A client who has unexplained bilateral wrist pain (they've ruled out the above) says that hot compresses help her. Have you tried epsom salt soaks? S S <br> ><br> > Hi guys, <br> > <br> > My 5 yo started chelating at 3 1/2, was diagnosed SID at the time, <br> > although he was bordering PDD, some biological interventions prior <br> > to chelation, diet, a few days of SAMe chelation, and probiotics had <br> > improved his behavior a lot, yet cognitively he was very delayed. <br> > <br> > He is in round 59 of TD DMPS, 41 of them have been using TD ALA. He <br> > has had about 35 shots of mB 12, we stopped a year ago when we <br> > stopped seeing improvement. I have just re-introduced SAMe, and it <br> > is helping him a lot too. <br> > <br> > So the good results are, again, that he has been evaluated recently <br> > and he no longer has a " learning disability " or " SID " , he is <br> > scheduled to go to regular kindergarden with only related services, <br> > OT and ST. He is only diagnosed with " speech disability. " <br> > <br> > I am also chelating, I am in round 61 of DMSA or DMPS, 58 of them <br> > including ALA. My chronic fatigue has been shrinking, all the stuff <br> > I was taking before for it didn't seem to help, but now every thing <br> > I take does. <br> > <br> > Lately I wake up some times with pain in my left foot, around the <br> > ankles, sometimes it is so painful I can't walk, the pain <br> > disminishes during the day, my right foot is starting to be <br> > affected. Is this some sort of rheumatoid reaction, gout or <br> > fibromalgia due to lead or something? My husband, who I suspect has <br> > some mercury too, has pains in his feet lately that appear <br> > misteriously too.<br> > <br> > Raquel<br> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Doing foot reflexology on yourself and determining where the tender spots are may help you figure it out. S S <br> Reflexology is interesting. I would like to find out why I have this <br> first, get to the root of it. Any idea? <br> <br> Raquel<br> <br> <br> ><br> > Have you thought of doing some foot reflexology?<wbr>/<br> > <br> > Barb<br> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 I used to have pain in the bones of my upper arms. Felt like something was actively being pulled, perhaps lead? S S <p>Well, many people with mercury poisoning get erratic pains in various parts of their body. I would just expect this is part of the process. Make sure you are getting enough minerals . . . <br> <br> Barb<br> ----- Original Message ----- <br> From: eugui6 <br> Hi Barb:<br> <br> Reflexology is interesting. I would like to find out why I have this <br> first, get to the root of it. Any idea? <br> <br> Raquel<br> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 I wanted to post something that my daughter has done. She has been on Nutriiveda for a couple of months now but some of the months she had colds, then flus and then colds again so progress has been slower. Anyway everyone around us has told us she is more attentive and her level of understanding has increased. We have noticed this and also that she is now really trying to say more and more words. I hope I am not jinxing this by saying this.  She basically said single words and some two word combinations before Nutriiveda but now is trying to say more. She is 10 years old.  A few huge things that have happened is last week she went to her therapeutic horse back riding lesson and she said to the horse " walk on Arielle. " The therapist there was so excited she could not wait to tell us. This is the second 3 word sentence she has said on her own since we started Nutriiveda. The first was " walk on horse. "  She may say the words in isolation, when prompted one by one but never on her own as a sentence and she could never say Arielle.  As well, when visitors come by after they have been there for a while and she feels it is time for them to go, she takes them by the hand, takes them to the door and tells them... " out " and " go home. " Everyone is just happy she is saying something and taking the initiative so they abide by her request :-)  A couple of weeks ago my husband left some paper towel packages at the base of the stairs in the basement. She went by herself and took them one by one and went to the storage area and put them one by one on the shelf that we stack them on. She would never had done this before. My husband went down stairs about 10 mins later to put them away and could not find them and then went into the storage area as the door was still open and the light was still on and realized she had just put them away. She went into the rec room after and there she was relaxing watching some TV after she had finished putting the things away. My husband just could not believe it.     All this is great and I think that for some kids it is not an overnight thing but something that improves over time with the help of Nutriiveda. It seems like it is repairing something and depending on what needs to be repaired it may take longer for some. At least this is what I think may be happening.  On a different note, I would like to ask, she still has to wear a goodnight type underwear at night when she sleeps as she still urinates many times while she sleeps. I spoke to her doctor about it and was told there was nothing that can help this as it is a cognitive thing. I recently saw a post about evening primrose I believe. Would this help her stay dry at night ? She weighs 65 lbs so how much should I give her if it will help. Is there something else I can give ?  Thanks, Demi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 So glad to hear about your daughter's progress. Magnesium deficiency is one cause of bedwetting. http://www.anyvitamins.com/magnesium-info.htm If she doesn't have issues with constipation, I'd avoid the oxide version because it will loosen the stools. You can buy a powered version, such as Natural Calm or Now's brand and mix it with water or a beverage. http://www.luckyvitamin.com/p-2929-peter-gillhams-natural-vitality-natural-calm-\ 8-oz http://www.luckyvitamin.com/p-8228-now-foods-magnesium-citrate-powder-8-oz Or you can purchase it in capsules if she can swallow it. Just follow the dosage information on the label. If the stools loosen too much, just back off the dose. > On a different note, I would like to ask, she still has to wear a goodnight type underwear at night when she sleeps as she still urinates many times while she sleeps. I spoke to her doctor about it and was told there was nothing that can help this as it is a cognitive thing. I recently saw a post about evening primrose I believe. Would this help her stay dry at night ? She weighs 65 lbs so how much should I give her if it will help. Is there something else I can give ? >  > Thanks, > Demi > > > > > I wanted to post something that my daughter has done. She has been on Nutriiveda for a couple of months now but some of the months she had colds, then flus and then colds again so progress has been slower. Anyway everyone around us has told us she is more attentive and her level of understanding has increased. We have noticed this and also that she is now really trying to say more and more words. I hope I am not jinxing this by saying this. > > She basically said single words and some two word combinations before Nutriiveda but now is trying to say more. She is 10 years old. > > A few huge things that have happened is last week she went to her therapeutic horse back riding lesson and she said to the horse " walk on Arielle. " The therapist there was so excited she could not wait to tell us. This is the second 3 word sentence she has said on her own since we started Nutriiveda. The first was " walk on horse. " She may say the words in isolation, when prompted one by one but never on her own as a sentence and she could never say Arielle. > > As well, when visitors come by after they have been there for a while and she feels it is time for them to go, she takes them by the hand, takes them to the door and tells them... " out " and " go home. " Everyone is just happy she is saying something and taking the initiative so they abide by her request :-) > > A couple of weeks ago my husband left some paper towel packages at the base of the stairs in the basement. She went by herself and took them one by one and went to the storage area and put them one by one on the shelf that we stack them on. She would never had done this before. My husband went down stairs about 10 mins later to put them away and could not find them and then went into the storage area as the door was still open and the light was still on and realized she had just put them away. She went into the rec room after and there she was relaxing watching some TV after she had finished putting the things away. My husband just could not believe it. > > All this is great and I think that for some kids it is not an overnight thing but something that improves over time with the help of Nutriiveda. It seems like it is repairing something and depending on what needs to be repaired it may take longer for some. At least this is what I think may be happening. > > On a different note, I would like to ask, she still has to wear a goodnight type underwear at night when she sleeps as she still urinates many times while she sleeps. I spoke to her doctor about it and was told there was nothing that can help this as it is a cognitive thing. I recently saw a post about evening primrose I believe. Would this help her stay dry at night ? She weighs 65 lbs so how much should I give her if it will help. Is there something else I can give ? > > Thanks, > Demi > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Demi will probably answer as well -but her and I just happened to talk about this a few weeks ago regarding magnesium so thought I'd share here part of what Demi and I discussed off list -and what she saw. Again I'm sure she can comment further. Demi had her daughter on magnesium previous to putting her on nutriiveda NV. As she just posted in her update unlike most of us her daughter was having progress with nutriiveda -but not the dramatic surges most of us see. We went over what else she was giving her daughter and the one supplement was magnesium. I had read there were contradictions for taking magnesium together with numerous medications and supplements as you'll read the list below (quite long) So based on that wondered to Demi via email if adding magnesium could be contradicting nutriiveda. We don't know exactly why nutriiveda is working yet but there are various ingredients and whole foods that synergistically work together and does contain 10 mg of magnesium oxide also from whole food per scoop. (see both chocolate and vanilla labels here http://pursuitofresearch.org/ingredients.html )and the entire product was formulated over a long period of time by a panel of world renowned medical doctors to best work together based on basic human dietary need and using wisdom from eastern and western medicine http://pursuitofresearch.org/advisors.html It's important to know that just taking an essential amino acid alone as I posted yesterday will probably not help as in many cases the body can't utilize it unless other nutrients are in place. They bind together etc. For magnesium, from what I read the body needs the B vitamins and other nutrients to utilize it. Again nutriiveda has all the B and other vitamins and nutrients from whole food sources which is the purest form -and it's water soluble. When Demi stopped giving her daughter the extra magnesium (outside what she gets in nutriiveda), even though it was just a hunch on my end, her daughter's speech increased. It's my understanding the bed wetting issue was there previous to being on nutriiveda -which means while on magnesium it was still an issue. I highly again recommend the bed wetting alarm http://sleepdryalarm.com worked like a charm for us in days. If one does want to raise magnesium, I'd think it better to do it through whole food- like maybe throw a banana or some molasses into a nutriiveda smoothie. I tend to check side effects for anything given to a child vs an adult as their systems are so much more sensitive. For magnesium I've read not to give magnesium supplements to a child without a doctor' s supervision. Probably because of the following which there is quite a long list of contradictions for it: ~~~~ How to Take It: Be sure to check with your health care provider before taking magnesium supplements and before considering them for a child. Under certain circumstances, such as certain heart arrhythmias or preeclampsia, a doctor will give magnesium intravenously (IV) in the hospital. It is a good idea to take a B vitamin complex, or a multivitamin containing B vitamins, because the level of vitamin B6 in the body determines how much magnesium will be absorbed into the cells. Dosages are based on the dietary reference intakes (DRIs) issued from the Food and Nutrition Board of the United States Government's Office of Dietary Supplements, part of the National Institutes of Health. Pediatric Do not give magnesium supplements to a child without a doctor' s supervision. * Infants and children up to 3 years of age: 40 - 80 mg daily * Children 4 - 6 years of age: 120 mg daily * Children 7 - 10 years of age: 170 mg daily Adult * Adolescent and adult males: 270 - 400 mg daily * Adolescent and adult females: 280 - 300 mg daily * Pregnant females: 320 mg daily * Breastfeeding females: 340 - 335 mg daily Precautions: Because of the potential for side effects and interactions with medications, dietary supplements should be taken only under the supervision of a knowledgeable health care provider. People with heart or kidney disease should not take magnesium supplements except under their doctor's supervision. It is very rare to overdose on magnesium from food. However, people who ingest large amounts of milk of magnesia (as a laxative or antacid) or epsom salts (as a laxative or tonic) may overdose, especially if they have kidney problems. Too much magnesium can cause serious health problems, including nausea, vomiting, severely lowered blood pressure, slowed heart rate, deficiencies of other minerals, confusion, coma, and even death. More common side effects from magnesium include upset stomach and diarrhea. Magnesium competes with calcium for absorption and can cause a calcium deficiency if calcium levels are already low. Some medications may lower magnesium levels in the body. These include chemotherapy drugs, diuretics, digoxin (Lanoxin), hormonal supplementation, steroids, and certain antibiotics. Possible Interactions: If you are currently being treated with any of the following medications, you should not use magnesium without first talking to your health care provider. Antibiotics -- Taking magnesium supplements may reduce the absorption of quinolone antibiotics, tetracycline antibiotics, and nitrofurantoin (Macrodandin). Magnesium should be taken 1 hour before or 2 hours after taking these medications. Quinolone and tetracycline antibiotics include: * Ciprofloxacin (Cipro) * Moxifloxacin (Avelox) * Tetracycline (Sumycin) * Doxycycline (Vibramycin) * Minocycline (Minocin) Blood Pressure Medications, Calcium Channel Blockers -- Magnesium may increase the risk of negative side effects (such as dizziness, nausea, and fluid retention) from calcium channel blockers (particularly nifedipine or Procardia) in pregnant women. Other calcium channel blockers include: * Aamlodipine (Norvasc) * Diltiazem (Cardizem) * Felodipine (Plendil) * Verapamil (Calan) Medications for diabetes -- Magnesium hydroxide, commonly found in antacids such as Alternagel, may increase the absorption of some medications used to control blood sugar levels (particularly glipizide or Glucatrol and glyburide or Micronase). If you take these medications to control blood sugar, your doctor may need to adjust your dose. Digoxin (Lanoxin) -- Low blood levels of magnesium can increase negative effects from digoxin, including heart palpitations and nausea. In addition, digoxin can cause more magnesium to be lost in the urine. A doctor will monitor magnesium levels in people taking digoxin to see whether they need a magnesium supplement. Diuretics -- Two types of diuretics known as loop (such as furosemide or Lasix) and thiazide (including hydrochlorothiazide) diuretics can lower magnesium levels. For this reason, doctors who prescribe diuretics may recommend magnesium supplements as well. Hormone Replacement Therapy -- Magnesium levels tend to decrease during menopause. Clinical studies suggest, however, that hormone replacement therapy may help prevent the loss of this mineral. Postmenopausal women or those taking hormone replacement therapy should talk with a health care provider about the risks and benefits of magnesium supplementation. Levothyroxine -- There have been case reports of magnesium-containing antacids reducing the effectiveness of levothyroxine, a medication that treats underactive thyroid. Penicillamine -- Penicillamine, a medication used to treat 's disease (a condition characterized by high levels of copper in the body) and rheumatoid arthritis, can inactivate magnesium, particularly when high doses of the drug are used over a long period of time. Supplementation with magnesium and other nutrients may reduce side effects associated with penicillamine. If you take penicillamine, a health care provider can determine whether magnesium supplements are right for you. Tiludronate (Skelid) and Alendronate (Fosamax) -- Magnesium may interfere with absorption of medications used in osteoporosis, including alendronate (Fosamax). Magnesium or antacids containing magnesium should be taken 1 hour before or 2 hours after taking these medications. 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The potential for dietary supplements to reduce premenstrual syndrome (PMS) symptoms. J Am Coll Nutr. 2000;19(1):3-12. Bo S, Pisu E. Role of dietary magnesium in cardiovascular disease prevention, insulin sensitivity and diabetes. Curr Opin Lipidol. 2008 Feb;19(1):50-6. Review. Bureau I, RA, Arnaud J, Raysiguier Y, Favier AE, Roussel AM. Trace mineral status in post menopausal women: impact of hormonal replacement therapy. J Trace Elem Med Biol. 2002;16(1):9-13. Champagne CM. Magnesium in hypertension, cardiovascular disease, metabolic syndrome, and other conditions: a review. Nutr Clin Pract. 2008 Apr-May;23(2):142-51. Review. Chiladakis JA, Stathopoulos C, Davlouros P, Manolis AS. Intravenous magnesium sulfate versus diltiazem in paroxysmal atrial fibrillation. Int J Cardiol. 2001;79(2-3):287-291. Ciarallo L, Brousseau D, Reinert S. Higher-dose intravenous magnesium therapy for children with moderate to severe acute asthma. Arch Ped Adol Med. 2000;154(10):979-983. Dacey MJ. Hypomagnesemic disorders. Crit Care Clin. 2001;17(1):155-173. Demirkaya S, Vural O, Dora B, Topcuoglu MA. Efficacy of intravenous magnesium sulfate in the treatment of acute migraine attacks. Headache. 2001;41(2):171-177. Dietary Guidelines for Americans 2005. Rockville, MD: US Dept of Health and Human Services and US Dept of Agriculture; 2005. Duley L, Gulmezoglu AM. Magnesium sulphate versus lytic cocktail for eclampsia. Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2001;(1):CD002960. Duley L, -Smart D. Magnesium sulphate versus phenytoin for eclampsia. Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2000;(2):CD000128. Eby GA, Eby KL. Rapid recovery from major depression using magnesium treatment.Med Hypotheses. 2006;67(2):362-70. Ford ES, Mokdad AH. Dietary magnesium intake in a national sample of U.S. adults. J Nutr. 2003;133:2879-82. Fox C, Ramsoomair D, C. Magnesium: its proven and potential clinical significance. [Review]. South Med J. 2001;94(12):1195-1201. Gilliland FD, Berhane KT, Li YF, Kim DH, Margolis HG. Dietary magnesium, potassium, sodium, and children's lung function. Am J Epidemiol. 2002;155(2):125-131. Gontijo-Amaral C, Ribeiro MA, Gontijo LS, Condino-Neto A, Ribeiro JD. Oral magnesium supplementation in asthmatic children: a double-blind randomized placebo-controlled trial. Eur J Clin Nutr. 2007 Jan;61(1):54-60. Guerrero-Romero F, RodrÃguez-Morán M. The effect of lowering blood pressure by magnesium supplementation in diabetic hypertensive adults with low serum magnesium levels: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial. J Hum Hypertens. 2009 Apr;23(4):245-51. Hassan TB, Jagger C, Barnett DB. A randomised trial to investigate the efficacy of magnesium sulphate for refractory ventricular fibrillation. Emerg Med J. 2002;19(1):57-62. Hijazi N, Abalkhail B, Seaton A. Diet and childhood asthma in a society in transition: a study in urban and rural Saudi Arabia. Thorax. 2000;55:775-779. Ince C, Schulman SP, Quigley JF, et al. Usefulness of magnesium sulfate in stabilizing cardiac repolarization in heart failure secondary to ischemic cardiomyopathy. Am J Cardiol. 2001;88(3):224-229. Institute of Medicine. Food and Nutrition Board. Dietary Reference Intakes: Calcium, Phosphorus, Magnesium, Vitamin D and Fluoride. National Academy Press. Washington, DC, 2004. S. The multifaceted and widespread pathology of magnesium deficiency. Med Hypotheses. 2001;56(2):163-170. Klevay LM, Milne DB. Low dietary magnesium increases supraventricular ectopy. Am J Clin Nutr. 2002;75(3):550-554. Krauss RM, Eckel RH, B, et al. AHA dietary guidelines. Revision 2000: A statement for healthcare professionals from the Nutrition Committee of the American Heart Association. Circulation. 2000;102:2284-2299. Kushner JM, Peckman HJ, Snyder CR. Seizures associated with fluoroquinolones. Ann Pharmacother. 2001;35(10):1194-1198. Liu S, Manson JE, Stampfer MJ, et al. A prospective study of whole-grain intake and risk of type 2 diabetes mellitus in US women. Am J Pub Health. 2000;90(9):1409-1415. Mauskop A. Alternative therapies in headache. Is there a role? Med Clin North Am. 2001;85(4):1077-1084. Moulin DE. Systemic drug treatment for chronic musculoskeletal pain. Clin J Pain. 2001;17(4 Suppl):S86-S93. Muir KW. Magnesium for neuroprotection in ischaemic stroke: rationale for use and evidence of effectiveness. CNS Drugs. 2001;15(12):921-930. Nygaard IH, Valbø A, Pethick SV, Bøhmer T. Does oral magnesium substitution relieve pregnancy-induced leg cramps? Eur J Obstet Gynecol Reprod Biol. 2008 Nov;141(1):23-6. L. Nutrients and HIV: part 2: vitamins A and E, zinc, B-vitamins, and magnesium. Alt Med Rev. 2000;5(1):39-51. Pearlstein T, Steiner M. Non-antidepressant treatment of premenstrual syndrome. J Clin Psychiatry. 2000;61 Suppl 12:22-27. Rowe BH, Edmonds ML, Spooner CH, Camargo CA. Evidence-based treatments for acute asthma. [Review]. Respir Care. 2001;46(12):1380-1390. Sun-Edelstein C, Mauskop A. Foods and supplements in the management of migraine headaches. Clin J Pain. 2009 Jun;25(5):446-52. (Epub ahead of print) Toraman F, Karabulut EH, Alhan HC, Dagdelen S, Tarcan S. Magnesium infusion dramatically decreases the incidence of atrial fibrillation after coronary artery bypass grafting. Ann Thorac Surg. 2001;72(4):1256-1261. JJ. Pre-eclampsia. Lancet. 2000;356(9237):1260-1265. http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/magnesium-000313.htm ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Thanks for sharing the back story. Magnesium doesn't sound like the issue for Demi. But for others, it might be. I do use whole food sources whenever possible, but my daughter has a limited diet. For those whose children eat a normal diet, the following article lists some more whole food sources of magnesium. http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/magnesium-000313.htm > > Demi will probably answer as well -but her and I just happened to talk about this a few weeks ago regarding magnesium so thought I'd share here part of what Demi and I discussed off list -and what she saw. Again I'm sure she can comment further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Thanks for both of your responses.  Yes, is right for some reason when I added the magnesium her speech decreased and when I removed it, the speech started to increase again.  And yes, not staying dry during the night was an issue before Nutriiveda and I hope to help her resolve it soon.  Thanks for the suggestions and input though !  Demi From: kiddietalk <kiddietalk@...> Subject: [ ] Re: update and question Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 12:57 PM  Demi will probably answer as well -but her and I just happened to talk about this a few weeks ago regarding magnesium so thought I'd share here part of what Demi and I discussed off list -and what she saw. Again I'm sure she can comment further. Demi had her daughter on magnesium previous to putting her on nutriiveda NV. As she just posted in her update unlike most of us her daughter was having progress with nutriiveda -but not the dramatic surges most of us see. We went over what else she was giving her daughter and the one supplement was magnesium. I had read there were contradictions for taking magnesium together with numerous medications and supplements as you'll read the list below (quite long) So based on that wondered to Demi via email if adding magnesium could be contradicting nutriiveda. We don't know exactly why nutriiveda is working yet but there are various ingredients and whole foods that synergistically work together and does contain 10 mg of magnesium oxide also from whole food per scoop. (see both chocolate and vanilla labels here http://pursuitofresearch.org/ingredients.html )and the entire product was formulated over a long period of time by a panel of world renowned medical doctors to best work together based on basic human dietary need and using wisdom from eastern and western medicine http://pursuitofresearch.org/advisors.html It's important to know that just taking an essential amino acid alone as I posted yesterday will probably not help as in many cases the body can't utilize it unless other nutrients are in place. They bind together etc. For magnesium, from what I read the body needs the B vitamins and other nutrients to utilize it. Again nutriiveda has all the B and other vitamins and nutrients from whole food sources which is the purest form -and it's water soluble. When Demi stopped giving her daughter the extra magnesium (outside what she gets in nutriiveda), even though it was just a hunch on my end, her daughter's speech increased. It's my understanding the bed wetting issue was there previous to being on nutriiveda -which means while on magnesium it was still an issue. I highly again recommend the bed wetting alarm http://sleepdryalarm.com worked like a charm for us in days. If one does want to raise magnesium, I'd think it better to do it through whole food- like maybe throw a banana or some molasses into a nutriiveda smoothie. I tend to check side effects for anything given to a child vs an adult as their systems are so much more sensitive. For magnesium I've read not to give magnesium supplements to a child without a doctor' s supervision. Probably because of the following which there is quite a long list of contradictions for it: ~~~~ How to Take It: Be sure to check with your health care provider before taking magnesium supplements and before considering them for a child. Under certain circumstances, such as certain heart arrhythmias or preeclampsia, a doctor will give magnesium intravenously (IV) in the hospital. It is a good idea to take a B vitamin complex, or a multivitamin containing B vitamins, because the level of vitamin B6 in the body determines how much magnesium will be absorbed into the cells. Dosages are based on the dietary reference intakes (DRIs) issued from the Food and Nutrition Board of the United States Government's Office of Dietary Supplements, part of the National Institutes of Health. Pediatric Do not give magnesium supplements to a child without a doctor' s supervision. * Infants and children up to 3 years of age: 40 - 80 mg daily * Children 4 - 6 years of age: 120 mg daily * Children 7 - 10 years of age: 170 mg daily Adult * Adolescent and adult males: 270 - 400 mg daily * Adolescent and adult females: 280 - 300 mg daily * Pregnant females: 320 mg daily * Breastfeeding females: 340 - 335 mg daily Precautions: Because of the potential for side effects and interactions with medications, dietary supplements should be taken only under the supervision of a knowledgeable health care provider. People with heart or kidney disease should not take magnesium supplements except under their doctor's supervision. It is very rare to overdose on magnesium from food. However, people who ingest large amounts of milk of magnesia (as a laxative or antacid) or epsom salts (as a laxative or tonic) may overdose, especially if they have kidney problems. Too much magnesium can cause serious health problems, including nausea, vomiting, severely lowered blood pressure, slowed heart rate, deficiencies of other minerals, confusion, coma, and even death. More common side effects from magnesium include upset stomach and diarrhea. Magnesium competes with calcium for absorption and can cause a calcium deficiency if calcium levels are already low. Some medications may lower magnesium levels in the body. These include chemotherapy drugs, diuretics, digoxin (Lanoxin), hormonal supplementation, steroids, and certain antibiotics. Possible Interactions: If you are currently being treated with any of the following medications, you should not use magnesium without first talking to your health care provider. Antibiotics -- Taking magnesium supplements may reduce the absorption of quinolone antibiotics, tetracycline antibiotics, and nitrofurantoin (Macrodandin). Magnesium should be taken 1 hour before or 2 hours after taking these medications. Quinolone and tetracycline antibiotics include: * Ciprofloxacin (Cipro) * Moxifloxacin (Avelox) * Tetracycline (Sumycin) * Doxycycline (Vibramycin) * Minocycline (Minocin) Blood Pressure Medications, Calcium Channel Blockers -- Magnesium may increase the risk of negative side effects (such as dizziness, nausea, and fluid retention) from calcium channel blockers (particularly nifedipine or Procardia) in pregnant women. Other calcium channel blockers include: * Aamlodipine (Norvasc) * Diltiazem (Cardizem) * Felodipine (Plendil) * Verapamil (Calan) Medications for diabetes -- Magnesium hydroxide, commonly found in antacids such as Alternagel, may increase the absorption of some medications used to control blood sugar levels (particularly glipizide or Glucatrol and glyburide or Micronase). If you take these medications to control blood sugar, your doctor may need to adjust your dose. Digoxin (Lanoxin) -- Low blood levels of magnesium can increase negative effects from digoxin, including heart palpitations and nausea. In addition, digoxin can cause more magnesium to be lost in the urine. A doctor will monitor magnesium levels in people taking digoxin to see whether they need a magnesium supplement. Diuretics -- Two types of diuretics known as loop (such as furosemide or Lasix) and thiazide (including hydrochlorothiazide) diuretics can lower magnesium levels. For this reason, doctors who prescribe diuretics may recommend magnesium supplements as well. Hormone Replacement Therapy -- Magnesium levels tend to decrease during menopause. Clinical studies suggest, however, that hormone replacement therapy may help prevent the loss of this mineral. Postmenopausal women or those taking hormone replacement therapy should talk with a health care provider about the risks and benefits of magnesium supplementation. Levothyroxine -- There have been case reports of magnesium-containing antacids reducing the effectiveness of levothyroxine, a medication that treats underactive thyroid. Penicillamine -- Penicillamine, a medication used to treat 's disease (a condition characterized by high levels of copper in the body) and rheumatoid arthritis, can inactivate magnesium, particularly when high doses of the drug are used over a long period of time. Supplementation with magnesium and other nutrients may reduce side effects associated with penicillamine. If you take penicillamine, a health care provider can determine whether magnesium supplements are right for you. Tiludronate (Skelid) and Alendronate (Fosamax) -- Magnesium may interfere with absorption of medications used in osteoporosis, including alendronate (Fosamax). Magnesium or antacids containing magnesium should be taken 1 hour before or 2 hours after taking these medications. Others -- Aminoglycoside antibiotics (such as gentamicin and tobramycin), thiazide diuretics (such as hydrochlorothiazide), loop diuretics (such as furosemide and bumetanide), amphotericin B, corticosteroids (prednisone or Deltasone), antacids, and insulin may lower magnesium levels. Please refer to the depletions monographs on some of these medications for more information. * Reviewed last on: 6/25/2009 * D. Ehrlich, NMD, Solutions Acupuncture, a private practice specializing in complementary and alternative medicine, Phoenix, AZ. Review provided by VeriMed Healthcare Network. Supporting Research Aydin H, Deyneli O, Yavuz D, Gözü H, Mutlu N, Kaygusuz I, Akalin S. Short-Term Oral Magnesium Supplementation Suppresses Bone Turnover in Postmenopausal Osteoporotic Women. Biol Trace Elem Res. 2009 Jun 2. (Epub ahead of print) Bartlett HE, Eperjesi F. Nutritional supplementation for type 2 diabetes: a systematic review. Ophthalmic Physiol Opt. 2008 Nov;28(6):503-23. Review. Bendich A. The potential for dietary supplements to reduce premenstrual syndrome (PMS) symptoms. J Am Coll Nutr. 2000;19(1):3-12. Bo S, Pisu E. Role of dietary magnesium in cardiovascular disease prevention, insulin sensitivity and diabetes. Curr Opin Lipidol. 2008 Feb;19(1):50-6. Review. Bureau I, RA, Arnaud J, Raysiguier Y, Favier AE, Roussel AM. Trace mineral status in post menopausal women: impact of hormonal replacement therapy. J Trace Elem Med Biol. 2002;16(1):9-13. Champagne CM. Magnesium in hypertension, cardiovascular disease, metabolic syndrome, and other conditions: a review. Nutr Clin Pract. 2008 Apr-May;23(2):142-51. Review. Chiladakis JA, Stathopoulos C, Davlouros P, Manolis AS. Intravenous magnesium sulfate versus diltiazem in paroxysmal atrial fibrillation. Int J Cardiol. 2001;79(2-3):287-291. Ciarallo L, Brousseau D, Reinert S. Higher-dose intravenous magnesium therapy for children with moderate to severe acute asthma. Arch Ped Adol Med. 2000;154(10):979-983. Dacey MJ. Hypomagnesemic disorders. Crit Care Clin. 2001;17(1):155-173. Demirkaya S, Vural O, Dora B, Topcuoglu MA. Efficacy of intravenous magnesium sulfate in the treatment of acute migraine attacks. Headache. 2001;41(2):171-177. Dietary Guidelines for Americans 2005. Rockville, MD: US Dept of Health and Human Services and US Dept of Agriculture; 2005. Duley L, Gulmezoglu AM. Magnesium sulphate versus lytic cocktail for eclampsia. Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2001;(1):CD002960. Duley L, -Smart D. Magnesium sulphate versus phenytoin for eclampsia. Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2000;(2):CD000128. Eby GA, Eby KL. Rapid recovery from major depression using magnesium treatment.Med Hypotheses. 2006;67(2):362-70. Ford ES, Mokdad AH. Dietary magnesium intake in a national sample of U.S. adults. J Nutr. 2003;133:2879-82. Fox C, Ramsoomair D, C. Magnesium: its proven and potential clinical significance. [Review]. South Med J. 2001;94(12):1195-1201. Gilliland FD, Berhane KT, Li YF, Kim DH, Margolis HG. Dietary magnesium, potassium, sodium, and children's lung function. Am J Epidemiol. 2002;155(2):125-131. Gontijo-Amaral C, Ribeiro MA, Gontijo LS, Condino-Neto A, Ribeiro JD. Oral magnesium supplementation in asthmatic children: a double-blind randomized placebo-controlled trial. Eur J Clin Nutr. 2007 Jan;61(1):54-60. Guerrero-Romero F, RodrÃÂguez-Morán M. The effect of lowering blood pressure by magnesium supplementation in diabetic hypertensive adults with low serum magnesium levels: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial. J Hum Hypertens. 2009 Apr;23(4):245-51. Hassan TB, Jagger C, Barnett DB. A randomised trial to investigate the efficacy of magnesium sulphate for refractory ventricular fibrillation. Emerg Med J. 2002;19(1):57-62. Hijazi N, Abalkhail B, Seaton A. Diet and childhood asthma in a society in transition: a study in urban and rural Saudi Arabia. Thorax. 2000;55:775-779. Ince C, Schulman SP, Quigley JF, et al. Usefulness of magnesium sulfate in stabilizing cardiac repolarization in heart failure secondary to ischemic cardiomyopathy. Am J Cardiol. 2001;88(3):224-229. Institute of Medicine. Food and Nutrition Board. Dietary Reference Intakes: Calcium, Phosphorus, Magnesium, Vitamin D and Fluoride. National Academy Press. Washington, DC, 2004. S. The multifaceted and widespread pathology of magnesium deficiency. Med Hypotheses. 2001;56(2):163-170. Klevay LM, Milne DB. Low dietary magnesium increases supraventricular ectopy. Am J Clin Nutr. 2002;75(3):550-554. Krauss RM, Eckel RH, B, et al. AHA dietary guidelines. Revision 2000: A statement for healthcare professionals from the Nutrition Committee of the American Heart Association. Circulation. 2000;102:2284-2299. Kushner JM, Peckman HJ, Snyder CR. Seizures associated with fluoroquinolones. Ann Pharmacother. 2001;35(10):1194-1198. Liu S, Manson JE, Stampfer MJ, et al. A prospective study of whole-grain intake and risk of type 2 diabetes mellitus in US women. Am J Pub Health. 2000;90(9):1409-1415. Mauskop A. Alternative therapies in headache. Is there a role? Med Clin North Am. 2001;85(4):1077-1084. Moulin DE. Systemic drug treatment for chronic musculoskeletal pain. Clin J Pain. 2001;17(4 Suppl):S86-S93. Muir KW. Magnesium for neuroprotection in ischaemic stroke: rationale for use and evidence of effectiveness. CNS Drugs. 2001;15(12):921-930. Nygaard IH, Valbø A, Pethick SV, Bøhmer T. Does oral magnesium substitution relieve pregnancy-induced leg cramps? Eur J Obstet Gynecol Reprod Biol. 2008 Nov;141(1):23-6. L. Nutrients and HIV: part 2: vitamins A and E, zinc, B-vitamins, and magnesium. Alt Med Rev. 2000;5(1):39-51. Pearlstein T, Steiner M. Non-antidepressant treatment of premenstrual syndrome. J Clin Psychiatry. 2000;61 Suppl 12:22-27. Rowe BH, Edmonds ML, Spooner CH, Camargo CA. Evidence-based treatments for acute asthma. [Review]. Respir Care. 2001;46(12):1380-1390. Sun-Edelstein C, Mauskop A. Foods and supplements in the management of migraine headaches. Clin J Pain. 2009 Jun;25(5):446-52. (Epub ahead of print) Toraman F, Karabulut EH, Alhan HC, Dagdelen S, Tarcan S. Magnesium infusion dramatically decreases the incidence of atrial fibrillation after coronary artery bypass grafting. Ann Thorac Surg. 2001;72(4):1256-1261. JJ. Pre-eclampsia. Lancet. 2000;356(9237):1260-1265. http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/magnesium-000313.htm ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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