Re: questions re Fish oils and NV and nutrivene--5 yo w/ Down syndrome and dyspraxia

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Hi Colleen!

I agree that it's great organizations and many doctors are appreciating

nutrients, including the essential nutrients like the essential fatty acids and

essential amino acids importance to help our bodies stay healthy and fight

various disease or conditions. There is more and more research going in this

direction so honestly how could anyone ignore that however?!

I never heard of either of the products you posted about so had to search for

them. To be honest the nutrivene out of the two seems to be so much better -but

it's just the curcumin right? Or am I mixing up products? The other- jury is

still out on that one and I explain why below. I still hands down if I were go

would just try nutriiveda. I was the first parent of an apraxic child to try

it. Alyssa may have been the first parent of a child that was scheduled to have

a portion of his brain removed to stop seizures to try it. So what even if no

other parent of a Down syndrome child has tried it -for sure parents of

dyspraxic children have

I just want to remind that nutriiveda is just whole food -that's it.

Each nutrient is 100 percent natural and 100 percent water soluble, tested free

of heavy metals, herbicides and pesticides and sodium, fat, gluten, casein,

caffeine free with no known side effects or drug interactions outside of the

natural detox stage we talk about here http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html

The only ingredients in nutriiveda are:

Whey Protein Isolates, Rice Life powder(Brown Rice), Natural Cocoa Powder, Apple

Fiber, Organic Cane Sugar, Proprietary Ayurvedic Blend (Guggul, Amalaki, Green

Tea, Haritaki, Turmeric, Gymnerma, Cayenne Pepper), Xanthan Gum, Stevia,

L-Taurine, L-Theanine.

The whey isolate protein contains all the essential amino acids and more (Amino

Acids: Alanine, Arginine, Aspartic Acid, Cystin, Glutamic Acid, Glycine,

Histidine, Isoleucine, Leucine, Lysine, Methionine, Phenylalanine, Proline,

Serine, Thereonine, Trytophan, Tyrosine, Valine)

http://pursuitofresearch.org/ingredients.html

~~~~but back to the 2 you brought up:

The one page I found about nutrivene makes it seem like the only ingredient is

curcumin? Not sure if that is the case but no matter what please don't tell me

that nutrivene has to do with speak!!!

http://www.nutrivene.com/view_item.php?ProductID=346 & PHPSESSID=5d08392f048426d33\

945d588e2e47570

For reliv I searched for the ingredients mainly at drugs.com but also webmd for

the most part. The main issue I have with Reliv is in addition for me having to

search incredibly hard to find the ingredients is that the nutrients are added

-not from whole food, and there are artificial and synthetic ingredients -so not

happy with that. Then I did a search of what is added and there are a few

ingredients in question. I did not find much of anything even mentioning reliv

and down syndrome -pretty much this paragraph from this person was it when I put

reliv down syndrome into google

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view & friendId=83646862 & blogId\

=427044697.

Here are the ingredients Reliv INGREDIENTS: Soy Protein Isolate, Soy Flour,

Brewer's Yeast, Lecithin, Psyllium Fiber, Dicalcium Phosphate, Ascorbic Acid,

Methionine, Potassium Chloride, Magnesium Phosphate, Natural Flavor, Licorice

Root, Garlic, Rhubarb Root, Rose Hips, Cayenne, Kelp, OptiZinc® Brand of Zinc

Monomethionine, Ferrous Fumarate, Calcium Pantothenate, Niacinamide, Vitamin E

Acetate, Vitamin A Palmitate, Vitamin D3, Copper Gluconate, Papain, Bromelain,

Thiamin HCL, Riboflavin, Beta Carotene, Pyridoxine HCL, Biotin, Folic Acid,

Potassium Iodide, Vitamin B12, Sodium Selenite and ChromeMate® Brand of Niacin

Bound Chromium Polynicotinate.

And here are some of those in question:

Soy (first two ingredients) Tolerance to soy preparations in one study (N =

164) was reported to be good to excellent for most patients. However, both

toxicity and allergy have been reported. Also watch for low zinc, calcium,

magnesium, and iron levels if taking soy.

Brewer's yeast People who are susceptible to yeast infections or are allergic to

yeast should avoid brewer's yeast.

Lecithin Adverse effects usually are not associated with lecithin. However,

there have been reports of anorexia, nausea, increased salivation, other GI

effects, and hepatitis.

Dicalcium Phosphate /DCP In some instances, DCP can seriously effect the

absorption of other supplements. According to the June 1997 Journal of Clinical

Nutrition, the zinc absorption by people ages 59-86 was reduced by 50% when a

calcium-containing supplement was given with the meal. Phosphate's

non-absorbable character can also create problems. For instance, supplements

containing di-calcium phosphate may form a non-absorbable complex with

tetracycline. When you consider that tetracycline drugs are commonly used to

treat such conditions as bronchitis and certain types of pneumonia, this

propensity could create an inconvenient situation, to say the least. Causes

irritation to skin, eyes and respiratory tract. May be harmful if swallowed.

Potential Health Effects

Inhalation: Causes irritation to the respiratory tract. Symptoms may include

coughing, shortness of breath. Ingestion: Causes irritation to the

gastrointestinal tract. Symptoms may include nausea, vomiting and diarrhea. It

presents little toxicity unless large amount are ingested, in which case,

vomiting and diarrhea likely. Eye Contact: Causes irritation, redness and pain.

Skin Contact: Causes irritation to skin. Symptoms include redness, itching and

pain.

Potassium Chloride Serious side effects: confusion, anxiety, feeling like you

might pass out; uneven heartbeat; extreme thirst, increased urination; leg

discomfort; muscle weakness or limp feeling; numbness or tingly feeling in your

hands or feet, or around your mouth; severe stomach pain, ongoing diarrhea or

vomiting; black, bloody, or tarry stools; or coughing up blood or vomit that

looks like coffee grounds.

Less serious side effects may include: mild nausea or upset stomach; mild or

occasional diarrhea; slight tingling in your hands or feet

Ferrous Fumarate serious side effects bright red blood in your stools; or pain

in your chest or throat Less serious side effects may include: constipation,

diarrhea; nausea, vomiting, heartburn; stomach pain, upset stomach; black or

dark-colored stools or urine; or temporary staining of the teeth.

Papain Taking large amounts of papain by mouth is POSSIBLY UNSAFE. In excessive

doses, papain can cause severe throat damage. Bleeding problems: There is a

concern that papain might increase the risk of bleeding in people with a

clotting disorder.

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Back to the nutrivene again -If it's curcumin keep in mind that when you

supplement with just one nutrient you need to make sure the body is balanced in

what it needs to digest and utilize that nutrient. Again nutriiveda is

formulated by world renowned medical doctors

http://pursuitofresearch.org/advisors.html to synergistically work together.

And just one other thing about the peach flavored NN -that would be cod liver

oil which would be higher in DHA than EPA with no GLA from borage or primrose

Omega 6. Plus any oil made from the liver of the fish naturally would have

vitamin A in it. Fish oils not made from the liver would not contain vitamin A.

We have in our group found the higher EPA to DHA formulas to be better -and you

also want to be aware of the vitamin A level as if you are using reliv it

contains 2500 of vitamin A per just one scoop -and unlike nutriiveda which I

know is 100 percent water soluble -the vitamin A in reliv may be fat soluble

-from what I can tell the nutrients are added not from whole foods, and some are

synthetic.

Have you read this page at our apraxia.org site on fish oils 101

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=115029735601 & topic=7401

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