Re: BIOMEDICAL INTERVENTIONS

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[ ] BIOMEDICAL INTERVENTIONS

We are taking our daughter to see Dr. Bock in NY on June 25th. Anyone

out there have any positive feedbacks about the biomedical route for Apraxia?

THANKS! Kim

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what all did dr bock do for you? can i ask how he wasn't helpful? did he test

for heavy metals, etc?

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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:44:59 +0000

Subject: Re: [ ] BIOMEDICAL INTERVENTIONS

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We are taking our daughter to see Dr. Bock in NY on June 25th. Anyone

out there have any positive feedbacks about the biomedical route for Apraxia?

THANKS! Kim

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Not sure if all are aware that even fish oils and nutriiveda are considered

" biomedical " interventions. And for most of us it's the only biomedical

intervention needed to bring our children up to speed as one provides essential

amino acids and whole food nutrients and one essential fatty acids -all being

linked today in research to neuro repair. Fish oils has been the gold standard

in this group for over a decade -but even though relatively new -nutriiveda

hands down, has created surges, so dramatic and sudden I might add, in so many

areas for so many diagnosis and ages in this group that try it that it's mind

blowing. And yes fish oils and nutriiveda appear to compliment each other and

can and probably should be used together.

Years ago I posted the main problem with fish oils is that once the children get

up to speed the parents no longer post and reach out here to help the newbies.

Translate they no longer post here. Just a few like me stick around once their

children are doing well -most move on. With nutriiveda....OMG it's happening

even faster that we are losing members to normal life!! (which is a good thing)

I encourage any of you that are curious to go through the testimony page

http://pursuitofresearch.org/testimonials.html as most of you know the parents

or professionals behind each one there and appreciate there are many others here

and email in private any one of those parents....because they are pretty much

all moving on doing " normal " stuff.

For example I just got an email from Dianne for example where she wrote " Liam is

still making huge gains and everyone comments on it! He has developed a sudden

and very age-appropriate love of dinosaurs and I have only been online as much

as I have this afternoon because I've been searching for and ordering dinosaur

bedding to surprise him. We're just so pleased to have him this interested in

this! Our big boy! His speech continues to improve, as well as his language

skills in general - just as using common phrases and answering WH questions.

Amazing! "

And as you'll read on the testimony page or from the parents direct -most did

not expect to see any surges with nutriiveda...but just tried it and like all of

us are shocked -in a great way!

As Dr. Cal Lightman from Lie to Me says - " I'll eat my shoes " if you try

nutriiveda and it doesn't work (or get you your money back since it comes with a

30 day 100 percent money back guarantee) I just want all the skeptics to try it

because I know what your children are missing!!! Theories as to why it may be

working http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html (need to add a few more!)

And again with this one unlike fish oils we won't need to raise monies for

research and it won't be long until this is validated. The good news for those

that want to wait- it even works for adults as I know from my Aunt Leona- and

from 26 year old Ketchum http://littlemermaidmelanie.wordpress.com (but

why would you even want to wait!)

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Bek do you mean the Nordic Omega 3 fishies that taste like orange gummies? If

you do I concur that these really really taste just like candy. I tried the

Nordic worms that sounded really good =cherry flavored or something which

typically I love -and know boys would love the fact that they are worms- but I

had to spit them out -tasted like yucky cherry fish to me. I know others may

love them- I'm really not a huge fan of eating fish oil even though I love

sushi. But the Nordic fishies -even I can't taste the fish one bit. I've had a

ton of adults who were really nervous to try the fishies try them because I kept

saying " I promise you won't taste the fish at all " -and all have loved them

-shocked that they too can't taste the fish -they somehow 100 percent got rid of

any fish taste at all in them

So if you are giving 3 fish a day that is providing

204 mg EPA

135 mg DHA

So EPA over DHA -that is a good formula! Only difference is no GLA (omega 6)

but clearly a great...but pretty expensive... option for one that can't get fish

oils into a child since you only get 30 fishies in a canister and at 3 a day you

are spending around 30 bucks every 10 days for each child?

Here are some stats on the fishies:

Suggested Use:

For 2 years and over, 1 fish daily with food, or as directed by your health

care professional or pharmacist. Please ensure child chews each fish

thoroughly.

General Nutrient Support

* No artificial colorings, flavorings, or preservatives

* Gluten FREE

* Yeast FREE

* Milk derivative FREE

* Easy to chew

Other Ingredients: organic tapioca

syrup, organic evaporated cane juice, fish oil (from anchovies and sardines),

porcine gelatin, pectin, citric acid, natural flavor, natural color (from

annatto), sodium citrate.

Sour Coating: organic sucrose

crystals, fumaric acid

One Fish Contains:

EPA: 68 mg

DHA: 45 mg

Other Omega-3s: 23 mg

Nordic Omega-3 Fishies

from http://www.speech411.com

I also love the Fishies from Nordic -but the ProEFA is SO much cheaper as you

get 90 capsules for around ten dollars less and each one capsule has about the

dosage of 3 gummies, and I'm not good at math but know that just means way way

cheaper. also did you try the kids on the nutriiveda yet? How is that going?!!

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Over the years we have found that in most cases a higher EPA to DHA has created

more surges. For some reason the both the essential fatty acids and the

essential amino acids (from whole foods) create surges so quickly on,

regressions so quick off -that it's easy enough to try various formulas yourself

and find out what the rest of us did.

EPA is a more expensive and harder to process fish oil. ProEPA has extremely

high EPA with some DHA and no GLA. Most in our group found GLA (the O6 from

primrose or borage seed oil) to be important too for some reason. The GLA has

high anti inflammatory properties so perhaps enables the EPA and DHA to get to

where it's needed crossing the tiny vessels into the brain? You only need a wee

bit of GLA however.

What you can try is...pure Omega 3 with high DHA which is the DHA Jr. See if

you notice anything. For a huge parental feedback we organized through Cherab

years ago most of us saw...nothing to so little maybe it was just normal small

surges that you'd see in any speech impaired/apraxic child. To one capsule of

ProEFA which is higher EPA to DHA -small amount of GLA and in almost all cases

moderate to dramatic surges in the same few weeks.

So you can find that out pretty quick and easy and don't worry about the DHA Jr

going to waste- it's still healthy and you can take it. Then try this. Once

your child is on 2 ProEFA and you'd like to raise it -try 3 capsules of

ProEFA...and then...switch it to 2 ProEFA and 1 ProEPA and see where you notice

dramatic more surges. We can wait -I'm just letting you know what has worked in

this group for most for years.

The only difference today is that with adding nutriiveda it appears you won't

need as much fish oils after a few months of nutriiveda...not sure why. Perhaps

it's because it supports the metabolic system? I just know I was able to reduce

Tanner's dosage in half. A few of us from this group are now working with some

of these doctors http://pursuitofresearch.org/advisors.html to find out why

What's good about it as well as the entire product is a food and water soluble-

even the vitamin A and vitamin E in it from whole food- this is because it's a

powder and the way it's processed.

Speaking of which -any fish oil from the liver of the fish naturally will

contain vitamin A. Fish oils not made from the liver of the fish won't contain

vitamin A. Cod liver oil does contain vitamin A so it's something to be aware

of as it's a fat soluble vitamin. We learned in this group the hard way you

don't want to mess with high levels of fat soluble vitamins when in liquid form

unless under strict supervision of a medical doctor that has knowledge in this

area and that you trust highly!

And back to oil therapy -may want to read up on our professional anecdotal

feedback from the First Apraxia Conference hosted by the Cherab Foundation

http://www.cherabfoundation.org/2001/cherab-foundations-first-apraxia-conference

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I'm so sorry -didn't mean to confuse you! The only reason I posted it was

because had asked " > I just want to get some clarification on the fish

oil. Why do we want

> to mix PRO-EFA and PRO-EPA??? Why not just one? Why not the DHA Jr.?

> I would love some clarification.

> Thanks so much,

> "

So I was just explaining to her why. You don't have to do it that way -was just

saying that it doesn't take long to find out which formula is the most

effective.

There are parents and professionals that have more inquisitive/investigative

minds and want to know why- and I respect that as that's the way I am too. So

just letting those people that do want to know why we advice the 2/1 ratio of

ProEFA to proEPA to know why I do, how to find out for themselves -and giving

some example of what we have found out in this group over the past 11 years.

But to keep it simple -yes you can just use the 2 ProEFA and 1 ProEPA to start

and that's what works for most of us. For those that don't care why that's the

formula -ignore the rest.

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Yes I wouldn't stress over it. Sometimes when you write stuff in emails you

don't get the point across the way it's meant...I didn't mean " care " as in you

don't care...I meant it in the same way you may buy " new and improved " Crest not

really wanting to know every detail of why it's new and improved...know what I

mean? Most likely as you are a parent you will mix it up a bit at some

point...run out of something for example and pick up a different brand and think

" well fish oil is fish oil " and not expect to see a regression...and not know

why. So now you know- the only thing that matters when it comes to fish oil is

dosage, formula, and quality of the oil...not name brand. In reality I

discovered the higher EPA to be more effective when my niece was born and I was

working on The Late Talker book and my husband took my boys to Boston as you can

find in the archives ...the ProEPA was only meant for Dakota's ADHD and that was

due to my conversation with Dr. AJ which was prior to her publication

of the Durham study -and while she was at our conference. So Glenn left for

Boston with both the boys and both ProEFA and ProEPA and gave both oils to both

boys and all noticed the surges in Tanner's speech just in that one weekend.

Like nutriiveda sometimes surprises are the best. (I wrote about that here

http://pursuitofresearch.org/letter_lisa.html how I found this out to be good

with Tanner but clearly so much more to it now than then) Oh by the way...my

husband Glenn will say that HE is the one that discovered that higher ProEPA is

better for apraxia because of what happened in Boston...and yes I guess so as

that's how it started -but it's a long story and lots of us trying it behind the

scenes and me noticing you can't get the EPA TOO high over the rest... even

before I wrote about it in this group. I'm just trying not to confuse you

more...but probably now got you more confused.

....and so yes the 2 ProEFA and the 1 ProEPA is the formula that most of us found

to create the most dramatic surges. And because this is email -I know you

care...just that you don't have to know every detail -unless you want to (and

much of it again is in the archives)

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my daughter was diagnosed apraxic and speech and motor and also autism and many

other things.  Because of the autism we foudn a DAN! dr for biomed and in 6

months after starting she was dropped from 3 speech teachers for above average

speech.  She was completely non-verbal before!  We have the answer for speech

for our child.  I am really glad we tried.

From: mexstein@... <mexstein@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] BIOMEDICAL INTERVENTIONS

Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 9:44 AM

 

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[ ] BIOMEDICAL INTERVENTIONS

We are taking our daughter to see Dr. Bock in NY on June 25th. Anyone

out there have any positive feedbacks about the biomedical route for Apraxia?

THANKS! Kim

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it may not be enough for your child...but this isn't an argument. Fish

oil and nutriiveda are part of the huge world of biomedical science... and while

basic and easy the majority may not need to go any further.

Nobody is stopping you or anyone else from exploring more if you need to...but

if you happen to read the testimony page of nutriiveda you'll find that there

are actually quite a few parents who had tried various and complex (and

expensive -one parent from NY told me she had spend ONE MILLION DOLLARS but she

also flew to Europe etc) for biomedical approaches and some had some success

-but some had no success...PRIOR to trying nutriiveda and then had dramatic

results from as one parent said to me " something she tried for her son as a

" goof " So the " goof " or the nutriiveda worked -imagine that.

You want testing? Yes Dr. Tom http://pursuitofresearch.org/advisors.html is

offering to do testing and is working with a few from this group now as he

speaks about here http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html and one of his

patients is Ketchum who at 26 had been through various testing,

treatments and probably TOO many approaches because one of them was Namenda

which was used off label as it's meant for mainly seniors with alzheimer's. As

you may or may not be aware as there is no control for Dan docs -some are now

recommending medications too. Robin and her husband Tom are thrilled about

working with Dr. Tom- and even better - is super excited about this. You

can read about this here http://littlemermaidmelanie.wordpress.com

What's good is that all here can read all, look into all, and decide what they

want to try first, second etc. We haven't heard from Kimmie for a bit since I

put her in touch with an SLP in her area that is helping her 10 YO essential

nonverbal outside of 2 words son who ONLY WENT TO DAN DOCTORS (and more recently

Dr. Amy Yasko) FOR SIX YEARS!!!! I don't care what therapeutic approach you

start with- if you have no progress in a year no less SIX years...in a ten year

old??? I have ZERO respect for whatever professionals Kimmie was taking her son

to prior. Perhaps you do just because they are " official " or " real " biomedical

people/approaches to you...which proves my point why I don't go by what others

believe.

Oh and PS...so much out there I didn't know which to choose and have to get off

the computer. But if you want to study up on fish oils look under PUFA such as

here from the National Center for Biotechnology Information through the NIH

http://www.ncibi.org/gateway/pdf/ARM4/NCIBI_ARM4_Diabetes_DBP_Update_Burant_04_2\

9_09.pdf or essential amino acids or Proteomic and the affect on the body such

as what they found here (a much newer but highly interesting new science to

those of us that are seeking natural/healthy ways to improve the health and

lives of our children and ourselves)

Prenatal exposure to maternal low or high protein diets induces modest changes

in the adipose tissue proteome of newborn piglets

O. Sarr*,{dagger}, I. Louveau*,{dagger}, C. Kalbe{ddagger}, C. C.

Metges{ddagger}, C. Rehfeldt{ddagger} and F. Gondret*,{dagger}

* INRA, UMR1079 Systèmes d’Elevage Nutrition Animale et Humaine (SENAH),

F-35590 Saint-Gilles, France , {dagger} Agrocampus Ouest, UMR1079 Systèmes

d’Elevage Nutrition Animale et Humaine, F-35000 Rennes, France {ddagger}

Research Units Muscle Biology & Growth and Nutritional Physiology, Research

Institute for the Biology of Farm Animals (FBN), 18196 Dummerstorf, Germany

Florence.gondret@...

Abstract

The possibility that maternal diets during gestation could affect growth and

tissue development of the offspring and program their later phenotype is an

emerging challenge in pig production. The objective of the current study was to

investigate the effects of contrasted protein levels in diets of pregnant sows

on the proteomic features of subcutaneous adipose tissue (SCAT) of the offspring

at birth, and its possible persistence later in age. Sows were fed either

control ©, low (LP) or high protein (HP) diets throughout gestation. A subset

of piglets was killed at 1 d of age for SCAT sampling. The remaining piglets

were cross-fostered to non-experimental sows during lactation. They were fed

standard diets during post-weaning and fattening periods until 186 d of age.

Modifications in SCAT protein abundance shortly after birth were investigated by

2-dimensional gel electrophoresis followed by mass spectrometry. A total of 65

spots was found differentially expressed (P ≤ 0.10) in SCAT of 1-d-old

experimental piglets versus controls. Proteins with a higher abundance in LP

piglets compared with C piglets were involved in pathways related to glucose and

fatty acid metabolisms, lipid transport, and regulation of apoptosis.

Up-regulation of five proteins representative of these biological pathways in LP

group vs. C group were further validated (P < 0.05) by Western blot analyses.

Furthermore, the specific activity of the key lipogenic enzyme fatty acid

synthase was found greater (P = 0.06) in SCAT of 1-d-old LP piglets than in C

piglets. The main changes evidenced in SCAT of HP piglets compared with C

animals at 1 d of age rather concerned proteins putatively involved in amino

acids metabolism or in protein turnover. Adipose tissue content in some proteins

that had displayed a greater abundance in experimental pigs compared to controls

at d 1 (e.g., transaldolase, annexins II and IV, and apolipoproteins A4) was

however similar in the 3 groups at d 186 of age. Enolase 1 has a lower abundance

in LP pigs compared with C pigs at this stage. Taken together, proteomics tool

has allowed the identification of various pathways related to short-term

adaptation of adipose tissue to prenatal exposure to different maternal protein

supply.

http://jas.fass.org/cgi/content/abstract/jas.2009-2542v1

And

The Proteome Project � Human Protein

Just when we`re finally familiar with the term genome (a blueprint of human DNA

structure), here comes another phrase out of the mists of scientific research -

the Human Proteome Project.

Just when we're finally familiar with the term genome (a blueprint of human DNA

structure), here comes another phrase out of the mists of scientific research:

the Human Proteome Project. It's so new, my computer spell-check thinks it's a

typo.

The August 2001 issue of Scientific American identifies the Human Proteome

Project as the next large international research effort, of the same magnitude

as the genome project. The objective of this project is to systematically

identify all the proteins and their cellular interactions in the human body.

Early estimates suggest that there are 300,000 to 400,000 identifiable proteins

which may individually interact with five to ten protein partners. That are four

million cellular interactions, and the research is only getting started.

Why are human proteins the subject of the next scientific mega-project?

According to Professor Ian Humphery- of the University of Utrecht,

" Proteins are central to our understanding of cellular function and disease

process. " 1. The project is attracting the cooperation of Harvard Medical School,

the universities of Geneva and Tokyo, and the Ludwig Institute for Cancer

Research, to name just a few.

We have known for some time that human protein interactions go well beyond

building muscle tissue. The Human Proteome Project is about to create an

explosion of interest in the intricate universe of human protein function. There

is already a base of research that demonstrates how high-biological dietary

proteins can positively effect human immune function, fighting cancer, bacteria,

and viral activity, as well as reducing cholesterol and slowing aging. It is

interesting to see the direct links between human protein function and dietary

protein intake.

Recent studies have identified a master switch for human immune function, a

protein called CD4. One protein subfraction called lactoferrin, also known as a

micropeptide, is found in high biological value whey protein and human breast

milk. It is found to enhance the function of CD4, improving overall immune

function.2

Whey protein has repeatedly demonstrated a capacity to fight cancer. In one

study, breast cancer cell growth was inhibited with the introduction of low

quantities of dietary whey protein.3 Another study showed a regression of

cancerous growths with the addition of 30g per day of whey protein.4

Cellular interactions in humans are extremely complex. For example, we know that

glutathione, a protein produced in the body, is extremely important for healthy

immune function. We also know that cancerous tumour cells have unusually high

levels of glutathione. This often diminishes the effectiveness of chemotherapy.

What is therapeutically needed is a substance that would raise the levels of

glutathione in healthy cells while lowering the levels in the cancerous cells.

The function is that of an adaptagen, which brings cells back into balance. A

study in anti-cancer research showed that high biological value whey proteins

appear to function in exactly this manner.5 Other dietary proteins did not

appear to have a similar effect. However, it is not understood how whey peptides

have such an effect. Hopefully, this information will come with the extensive

research of the Human Proteome Project.

Other disease-fighting properties of dietary whey protein include anti-bacterial

and anti-viral functions. Lactoferrin can be considered a medicinal food.

Several studies reveal that lactoferrin balances iron functions. In the instance

of bacterial infections such as e-coli, salmonella or streptococcus,

lactoferrin's iron-binding properties destroy the bacterial membrane, inhibiting

growth and function.6 Lactoferrin has also been identified as a potent dietary

anti-oxidant.7

Cell-preserving and disease-inhibiting properties contribute to the overall

anti-aging function of dietary protein. Optimal cellular regeneration and

function, over time, appear to be supported by the regular consumption of high

biological value whey protein. A study of mice demonstrated a significant

longevity increase, corresponding to a 25-year increase in human longevity.8

The Human Proteome Project will not only expand our understanding of the

universe of cellular function and disease but also identify the foods that

rebuild and regenerate the body.

http://www.vistamagonline.com/vista_articles/page.php?tp=4 & p=1 & id=20 & s=the_prote\

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ome_project_%96_human_protein

How it ties into http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html

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