Re: Fish oil's 101

[Guest guest]

Will my twin daughters still receive the benefits of fish oil if it's put into

their milk? We get the Carlson for Kids orange flavor. It doesn't seem to

bother them, they drink the milk

although we have a very oily cup at the end! Thanks!

[ ] Fish oil's 101

Here is a " fish oil 101 " from our apraxia.org page

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=115029735601 & topic=7401

Fish oils are essential fatty acids and there is no set dosage per weight. One

full (not Jr) capsule of ProEFA is about equivalent to the dosage of EFAs

approved to be added to infant formula. So I can tell you not to get the Jr and

to get the regular. You can start at one capsule and conservatively go up to two

capsules. Many of us found it best to raise the EPA a wee bit higher but you

don't have to start there. The essential nutrients means the body needs them but

can't produce them so need to consume them but in the case of essential fatty

acids and essential amino acids are virtually lacking in children's diets today.

Hope that helps and hope you don't mind I changed the subject name.

And PS- I threw mine away long ago

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[Guest guest]

No problem putting it in milk but you want to make sure the cup is either glass

or disposable and not reusable plastic as the oil will bind to it. Think of

Tupperware and spaghetti sauce and how the plastic turns orange -the oil binds

to the plastic.

About the oil you are using however it's too high in DHA and not EPA with no GLA

-not the best formula.

http://www.carlsonlabs.com/p-226-carlson-for-kids-chewable-dha.aspx

You would be much better off with something like Coromega if you did want a pure

Omega 3 for some reason because at least that has higher EPA to DHA. And

besides...there is no such thing as a dosage that is for kids. Fish oil is fish

oil- when our grandparents were little they used to get a tablespoon of cod

liver oil daily -that's probably like a zillion regular sized capsules (I am not

good at math so just saying zillion!)

You may want to read this page

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=115029735601 & topic=7401

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[Guest guest]

Our DAN! doctor told me to not put it into milk.  He suggested to use a syringe

and squirt it straight.  I know sounds yucky huh?   We give her sips of water

after and if she is about to puke I " accidently " spill the cup of water all over

her to surprise her.  It works every time.  She only needs a shower about once

or 2ce a month now.  She has been taking fish oil for 2 years this way and does

very well now.  She started off screaming and keeping her mouth shut but I

never asked her I told her.  I have watched my friends say do you wan tto take

this?  It will help you talk.   I think that is silly.  If it were a

diabetes med you would not ask you would give and I take this fish oil business

that seriously.

From: b9f16g@... <b9f16g@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Fish oil's 101

Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 7:12 PM

Will my twin daughters still receive the benefits of fish oil if it's put into

their milk? We get the Carlson for Kids orange flavor. It doesn't seem to

bother them, they drink the milk

although we have a very oily cup at the end! Thanks!

[childrensapraxiane t] Fish oil's 101

Here is a " fish oil 101 " from our apraxia.org page

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=115029735601 & topic=7401

Fish oils are essential fatty acids and there is no set dosage per weight. One

full (not Jr) capsule of ProEFA is about equivalent to the dosage of EFAs

approved to be added to infant formula. So I can tell you not to get the Jr and

to get the regular. You can start at one capsule and conservatively go up to two

capsules. Many of us found it best to raise the EPA a wee bit higher but you

don't have to start there. The essential nutrients means the body needs them but

can't produce them so need to consume them but in the case of essential fatty

acids and essential amino acids are virtually lacking in children's diets today.

Hope that helps and hope you don't mind I changed the subject name.

And PS- I threw mine away long ago

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[Guest guest]

I tried the syringe route and my son throws it up every time. I really do not

know how to get it into him. He is 3 1/2.

thanks, Jan

Our DAN! doctor told me to not put it into milk.  He suggested to use a syringe

and squirt it straight. 

[Guest guest]

You can add fish oils to whatever you want -but like with nutriiveda you don't

want to add it to something that is boiling or cook with it as you may

compromise it. Again if you add it to milk make sure it's in a glass or

disposable cut and not reusable plastic. We have been using fish oils in our

group for going on 11 years now so I'm pretty confident to say what I am. I

mean I get it that yes some of the oil will stick to the sides of the cup...but

some will stick to the medicine dropper too. You can use medicine droppers but

I never went that route. My feeling is that kids can be stressed enough and I

don't believe in forcing things when not needed -or rather I'd prefer to choose

my battles and trick when I can. After all how hard is it to outsmart a

preschooler?! As you will see with my list below I found it quite simple- you

just work with them. If a medicine dropper doesn't bother them fine -but if it

does find other methods to sneak it in. (and that's to the parent that just

posted the child vomits each time after giving him fish oil in a medicine

dropper -poor little thing!!)

You don't want to torment them -just help them. And try if you can to make it

fun -even a game!

Here are some tips I have on how to get fish oils into my apraxic son Tanner

when he was a wee one:

My 5 year old apraxic son Tanner is a trooper and takes the ProEFA from a spoon

every day. I hold his nose for him, but he doesn’t mind the taste. We started

the holding the nose thing when Tanner used to take the efalex, which is very

fishy smelling and tasting, and it’s kind of our ritual now.

I rip only half of the protective waxy seal off the top of the ProEFA bottle,

and put a pin in the part that is left. When it’s time to give Tanner his

ProEFA, I open the top of the bottle, pull out the pin, put a hole in the

capsule, put back the pin, and squeeze the oil onto a spoon.

Here are some other things we used to have to do when Tanner took the efalex

which he hated. (Efalex is fishier tasting and smelling)

1. We would put just put a drop of fish oil in the middle of the bread for a

sandwich and cover with peanut butter, a drop in the middle of a pancake, a drop

in the middle of a bowl of spaghetti. etc. if we put too much fish oil, Tanner

would not eat the food.

2. Glenn and Tanner and Dakota would each hold a cup filled with a dash of

juice. Tanner’s juice was always “spiked†with efalex. Tanner is very

competitive and would love a good race. “Ready set Go!†and Glenn would hold

the cup to his mouth without drinking and then stop and have all three compare

who drank the most. Of course, Tanner was winning! They would keep doing this

until Tanner won (which meant he finished the efalex fish oil spiked juice)

3. I used to bribe Tanner with gummy bears that he could have after. Didn’t

work as good as the first two. But for a long time we did a combination of

number one and number three.

4. Tanner’s older brother started taking the fish oil, and Tanner wants to do

what Dakota does.

5. As Tanner got older, at about four, we started calling the fish oil “yucky

magic fish oil which helps you talk†and we really made a big deal about how

yucky it was, and would “show off†to people how Tanner could take this

yucky stuff and eat it right off the spoon. It worked for Tanner!

It was lots of work, but well worth the results. If your child will not take

ProEFA, maybe buy some efalex and try that. Compared to efalex, a sock would

probably be a treat!

Again, some EFAs are liked by some children-hated by others. With ProEFA � "

many kids from the CHERAB group will just eat it from a spoon, or chew the

capsule since borage oil is naturally sweet. I can say that ProEFA does not

smell like some of the other EFAs we’ve used. After a year and a half of

Tanner hiding behind the couch when it was time to take other fish oils, this

was amazing even without all the great breakthroughs he’s had!

The improvements when on the right supplement and the regressions on the wrong

one are pretty quick-within weeks in most cases-so again you can see for

yourself-like most of us did already!

http://www.cherabfoundation.org/2006/how-do-i-get-my-child-to-eat-fish-oil

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[Guest guest]

I learned around a decade ago from our First Apraxia Conference

http://www.cherabfoundation.org/2001/cherab-foundations-first-apraxia-conference

that US doctors and most of the US public only know about the importance of DHA,

but the UK who has been ahead of the game in PUFAs have learned the importance

of the EPA. That could possibly be in theory -but in reality the formulas that

we as a group have found to be most effective over the past decade are those

that are higher in EPA than DHA with a small amount of GLA. In fact...we find

raising the EPA in most cases to be an excellent way to create even more surges.

Can't go too high however. If you look at the formulas that have worked best in

this group -and this is coming from anecdotal feedback -it's ProEFA, EyeQ, and

for a pure O3 Coromega -all higher in EPA. That's not a coincidence.

The problem is that most are just learning what we have known for years. This

is why we are raising monies for research in this area -there is just too much

ignorance on the part of some of the professionals about the importance of not

just the essential fatty acids -but to know there are difference in formulas!

Good for you is that the changes on fish oils like nutriiveda is typically in a

day to a few weeks so great for instant gratification public which is most of

us. Also most regress just as quick. Try switching from your high DHA formula

which has no GLA to one that has high EPA with no GLA and then one that has high

EPA to lower DHA to a small amount of GLA and you tell me which creates the

greatest surges in your child.....I'll wait -but I know the answer if your child

falls into the majority!

Here is the history behind the First Apraxia Conference which Cherab both

initiated and hosted

http://www.cherabfoundation.org/2002/answers-about-proefa-and-history-of-how-it-\

came-to-be-known

And a bit more info on EFAs

http://www.cherabfoundation.org/category/essential-fatty-acids-efa/

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[Guest guest]

I say use coromega-- it's very good tasting and kids love it

In a message dated 5/6/2010 9:18:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

cathychristiansen84@... writes:

I tried the syringe route and my son throws it up every time. I really do

not know how to get it into him. He is 3 1/2.

thanks, Jan

[Guest guest]

can you put some peppermint under his nose to distract from the taste and

smell.  An essential oil is the best for this.  While squirting you want to

point it to the back side of the throat.  Like the far back molars area.  You

don't want to just squirt it on their tongue.  Then after drinking can you

force sips of anything else like orange juice or pear juice instead of just

water.  We have tried many many different things and yes a few times she has

just puked.  If we are fast we can get her body to calm down before she loses

it.  Mostly her puking was anxiety.  If she was more calm she would just say

yuck.  Also don't talk once you have given it.  If you are stressed they hear

it and it makes it worse.  Just give, then follow with about 20 sips of a

chaser. 

Our DAN! doctor told me to not put it into milk.  He suggested to use a syringe

and squirt it straight. 

[Guest guest]

Was just looking for ideas for ways to put fish oils into foods where they

wouldn't know -and remember I saw this on Oprah -remember you don't want to cook

or add boiling water to fish oil (or nutriiveda) but may help inspire other

ideas!

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vegetables by slipping beet puree into chocolate cake? That's what wife to

comedian Jerry Seinfeld, , does. Now with her cookbook and blog,

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to get her kids to eat right. In Deceptively Delicious, she shares her

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suspect.

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[Guest guest]

i used to put it into a bit of yogourt until i realized that the actually

preferred it straight up from a spoon that i would squirt it onto!

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From: Janice Janek <iamjanj@...>

Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 5:08:16 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Fish oil's 101

 

I tried the syringe route and my son throws it up every time. I really do not

know how to get it into him. He is 3 1/2.

thanks, Jan

Our DAN! doctor told me to not put it into milk.  He suggested to use a syringe

and squirt it straight. 

[Guest guest]

thank you SO MUCH about the head's up at http://www.speech411.com There

is the Nordic basic information up there mixed with some info from Cherab. I

will make sure that is corrected when I get home from my trip this week. You

are correct the recipe ratio I found to be best which the group over the past

decade has confirmed is 2 ProEFA to 1 ProEPA.

Any other questions let me know -I won't have lots of time to be online but more

than when I was in Chicago with Bill Farley.

Bottom line question....was the " recipe " of 2 ProEFA/1 ProEPA you were using

working?

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