Advice - add EPA first or start Nutriiveda?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I know this subject has been covered a lot lately, so apologies in advance.

My son (28 months, verbal apraxia and low tone) has been taking 2 EFAs for two

months now. We've seen improvements in babbling/vocalizations, and a lot of

intangibles like increased strength, less clumsiness, etc. We want to add both

the EPA and the Nutriiveda to the mix - it's just a question of how and in what

order.

About 3 weeks ago, I added an EPA capsule to the mix, but the next day my son

had early diarrhea (not to mention bad diaper rash and bad eczema on his chin

the following day). I reduced it and then cut it out after three days. Not

sure if it was a reaction to the EPA or a bug - we had a similar reaction when

he first went on EFA, though again both could be purely coincidental - but we

didn't want to take a chance and be forced to stop all the fish oils.

We definitely plan on starting Nutriiveda, but we've been waiting because we've

been in the process of increasing our Early Intervention services, plus looking

for outside speech. And I mean process - it has probably taken us 4 months. We

had only been getting developmental intervention, 5 hrs/wk, helpful but not

exactly what he needed. I didn't want to start on the Nutriiveda until all the

evaluations had been completed and the therapists had started working with him.

In the past 2 weeks, we have added an OT, a PT, and one SLP from EI (somehow we

got approval for 3 hrs of speech! but they have to split it out to two SLPs -

who knows when we'll get that second SLP). We also had an outpatient speech

eval and got insurance approval for outpatient speech (another huge surprise!),

so we started one half hour with an outside SLP last week (we should be getting

a second half hour/wk, but again not sure when). We're also starting the speech

clinic at the local university in two weeks for the summer session (we've heard

rave reviews of the speech clinic including from our head pediatrician -

fortunately, my husband is a professor there, so we get priority). Hopefully,

not too much - but my son has a really friendly, easy going disposition and

seems to enjoy the one:one attention.

So here's my question: Do we add the EPA to the mix now gradually and see how

that works and then add the Nutriiveda? Or should we go right to the Nutriiveda

at this point? Or do both at the same time? I noticed a difference even with

the little bit of EPA he got, but I keep hearing such fabulous stuff about

Nutriiveda. I also have heard people say do things one at a time so you know

exactly what the reaction is.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts and feedback. And thanks too to this group

- I've learned a tremendous amount!

[Guest guest]

I think you'll get many opinions on this. I am always of the mindset of adding

one item at a time, so that we can see if it makes a difference or not, positive

or negative. I don't want to have our DS on more than he needs, so I add one

item at a time, give it a little time to see if it's working, then add the next.

Good luck!

From: maryfmchugh@...

Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 17:18:32 +0000

Subject: [ ] Advice - add EPA first or start Nutriiveda?

Hi,

I know this subject has been covered a lot lately, so apologies in advance.

My son (28 months, verbal apraxia and low tone) has been taking 2 EFAs for two

months now. We've seen improvements in babbling/vocalizations, and a lot of

intangibles like increased strength, less clumsiness, etc. We want to add both

the EPA and the Nutriiveda to the mix - it's just a question of how and in what

order.

About 3 weeks ago, I added an EPA capsule to the mix, but the next day my son

had early diarrhea (not to mention bad diaper rash and bad eczema on his chin

the following day). I reduced it and then cut it out after three days. Not sure

if it was a reaction to the EPA or a bug - we had a similar reaction when he

first went on EFA, though again both could be purely coincidental - but we

didn't want to take a chance and be forced to stop all the fish oils.

We definitely plan on starting Nutriiveda, but we've been waiting because we've

been in the process of increasing our Early Intervention services, plus looking

for outside speech. And I mean process - it has probably taken us 4 months. We

had only been getting developmental intervention, 5 hrs/wk, helpful but not

exactly what he needed. I didn't want to start on the Nutriiveda until all the

evaluations had been completed and the therapists had started working with him.

In the past 2 weeks, we have added an OT, a PT, and one SLP from EI (somehow we

got approval for 3 hrs of speech! but they have to split it out to two SLPs -

who knows when we'll get that second SLP). We also had an outpatient speech eval

and got insurance approval for outpatient speech (another huge surprise!), so we

started one half hour with an outside SLP last week (we should be getting a

second half hour/wk, but again not sure when). We're also starting the speech

clinic at the local university in two weeks for the summer session (we've heard

rave reviews of the speech clinic including from our head pediatrician -

fortunately, my husband is a professor there, so we get priority). Hopefully,

not too much - but my son has a really friendly, easy going disposition and

seems to enjoy the one:one attention.

So here's my question: Do we add the EPA to the mix now gradually and see how

that works and then add the Nutriiveda? Or should we go right to the Nutriiveda

at this point? Or do both at the same time? I noticed a difference even with the

little bit of EPA he got, but I keep hearing such fabulous stuff about

Nutriiveda. I also have heard people say do things one at a time so you know

exactly what the reaction is.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts and feedback. And thanks too to this group -

I've learned a tremendous amount!

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I agree..I LOVE NV!! BUT I would recommend to start one item at a time too.

Start with adding 1 EPA, wait a few weeks-2-4wks, then add the NV. Let me

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Subject: [ ] Advice - add EPA first or start Nutriiveda?

Hi,

I know this subject has been covered a lot lately, so apologies in advance.

My son (28 months, verbal apraxia and low tone) has been taking 2 EFAs for

two months now. We've seen improvements in babbling/vocalizations, and a lot

of intangibles like increased strength, less clumsiness, etc. We want to add

both the EPA and the Nutriiveda to the mix - it's just a question of how and

in what order.

About 3 weeks ago, I added an EPA capsule to the mix, but the next day my

son had early diarrhea (not to mention bad diaper rash and bad eczema on his

chin the following day). I reduced it and then cut it out after three days.

Not sure if it was a reaction to the EPA or a bug - we had a similar

reaction when he first went on EFA, though again both could be purely

coincidental - but we didn't want to take a chance and be forced to stop all

the fish oils.

We definitely plan on starting Nutriiveda, but we've been waiting because

we've been in the process of increasing our Early Intervention services,

plus looking for outside speech. And I mean process - it has probably taken

us 4 months. We had only been getting developmental intervention, 5 hrs/wk,

helpful but not exactly what he needed. I didn't want to start on the

Nutriiveda until all the evaluations had been completed and the therapists

had started working with him.

In the past 2 weeks, we have added an OT, a PT, and one SLP from EI (somehow

we got approval for 3 hrs of speech! but they have to split it out to two

SLPs - who knows when we'll get that second SLP). We also had an outpatient

speech eval and got insurance approval for outpatient speech (another huge

surprise!), so we started one half hour with an outside SLP last week (we

should be getting a second half hour/wk, but again not sure when). We're

also starting the speech clinic at the local university in two weeks for the

summer session (we've heard rave reviews of the speech clinic including from

our head pediatrician - fortunately, my husband is a professor there, so we

get priority). Hopefully, not too much - but my son has a really friendly,

easy going disposition and seems to enjoy the one:one attention.

So here's my question: Do we add the EPA to the mix now gradually and see

how that works and then add the Nutriiveda? Or should we go right to the

Nutriiveda at this point? Or do both at the same time? I noticed a

difference even with the little bit of EPA he got, but I keep hearing such

fabulous stuff about Nutriiveda. I also have heard people say do things one

at a time so you know exactly what the reaction is.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts and feedback. And thanks too to this

group - I've learned a tremendous amount!

[Guest guest]

Hi !

I too typically would say to do one thing at a time so you see what is working

best, but there are exceptions. There have been cases here where people have

started fish oils and NV -but then at one point or another you run out or stop

one or the other and then you'll have the opportunity to see the regression.

And there are also some parents that just don't want to wait: for example

yesterday I met with a mom that lived by me (a transplant of course as there are

hardly any other kids from this group near me!) and I gave her the ProEFA,

ProEPA and nutriiveda and her son who is diagnosed autistic, but is probably a

combo like most with ADHD issues, and older is starting on low dosage one

capsule of fish oil and nutriiveda. Nutriiveda in itself is a bunch of whole

foods that work well together and from this group we know that the essential

fatty acids (fish oils) work well with the essential amino acids and nutrients

from whole food sources (nutriiveda)

Also your child is already on 2 capsules of ProEFA a day. I would for sure add

nutriiveda first and then down the road add the extra EPA because you already

have the essential fats going in -now you can add some of the other nutrients we

have found to be most important. In fact when you add the ProEPA down the road

you could in fact lower the dosage as even at a lower dosage of fish oils you

should see more surges with the right formula. So instead of 2 proEFA -just

give one ProEFA and only squeeze out half a capsule of ProEPA. Either you'll

see another surge or he'll remain the same. Unless you waited awhile it will be

hard to know with the added EPA as with nutriiveda from what I have seen the

surges are dramatic, sudden, and they are in so many areas and they continue.

Please again read this list for areas

http://pursuitofresearch.org/pursuit.html

So in fact you already started fish oils- whatever you've seen on them is going

to give you an idea of the surges we see on the oil therapy....now again I say

add nutriiveda -and here's why http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html

Do you have all the info to share with your child's doctor? Even though it's

just a food- I really want everyone to share because more doctors need to be

aware of these surges so other children can benefit. There are too many

skeptics out there who probably doubt the testimonies

http://pursuitofresearch.org/testimonials.html are real. They aren't only

real...they are appearing to be across the board from the survey. The main

problem reported by some is the trouble getting it in (which is why I came up

with this page http://pursuitofresearch.org/serving_suggestions.html ) and wow

you guys have come up with such interesting recipes!!! Liralen...I never would

have thought of nutriiveda jello!!! The cookies all sounded good...I would

never have thought of the Rice Krispy treats either Kate!! I guess I'm lucky in

that my boys just drink it with water now..me too

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Again, thanks for responding to my post. It's actually an older post, and we

ended up choosing to add the EPA first before the NV. We started with a half

capsule of EPA in early May and added the second half about 2 weeks later. With

both additions, we noticed a lot more babbling. In fact an hour after I gave

him his first full dose of EPA, he was babbling up such a storm, my husband and

I just looked at each other. Could it be, that quick??? The downside was A LOT

of drool for a week or so, especially after we upped him to a full EPA, which

then caused bad eczema on his chin.

We added NV to the mix sometime in mid June but really gradually. I think I

started with 2 teaspoons and then upped the dose by a teaspoon after three days.

He finally got on a full dose (a good heaping spoonful) late June/early July?

Have to check my notes at home to confirm. We've been really pleased with the

results and will definitely keep the NV in the mix. I can't say we've seen

dramatic surges in his speech, but maybe more pre-speech development? We've

also seen improvements in his gross/fine motor skills, as well as some sensory

issues (mostly an increase in body awareness and coordination). It's hard to

tell what is helping - the fish oil, the NV, the additional therapy (especially

the PT and OT) he started getting in May. More likely the full mix. I printed

out a survey - I'll try to post this weekend.

One more note - we are pretty fortunate that my son will take the NV in milk or

yogurt. My son is a huge Wiggles fan and particularly likes to watch short

Wiggles videos on you tube (introduced to both by my hubby - lol). I started

mixing the fish oils in yogurt and feeding it to him while watching the Wiggles

before we headed out in the morning. Now, I just add the NV to his fish

oil/yogurt cocktail. He eats it right up, but I can pretty much feed him or do

anything to him while he's watching the Wiggles :-) Not proud to admit it, but

thought I'd pass that suggestion on to anyone who's really struggling. Daycare

feeds him breakfast/lunch/snack 5 days a week, so I needed to find a way to give

it to him earlier rather than wait until dinner. Weekends we give it to him

more gradually throughout the morning/lunch hour.

Warm regards,

-

>

> Hi !

>

> I too typically would say to do one thing at a time so you see what is working

best, but there are exceptions. There have been cases here where people have

started fish oils and NV -but then at one point or another you run out or stop

one or the other and then you'll have the opportunity to see the regression.

And there are also some parents that just don't want to wait: for example

yesterday I met with a mom that lived by me (a transplant of course as there are

hardly any other kids from this group near me!) and I gave her the ProEFA,

ProEPA and nutriiveda and her son who is diagnosed autistic, but is probably a

combo like most with ADHD issues, and older is starting on low dosage one

capsule of fish oil and nutriiveda. Nutriiveda in itself is a bunch of whole

foods that work well together and from this group we know that the essential

fatty acids (fish oils) work well with the essential amino acids and nutrients

from whole food sources (nutriiveda)

>

> Also your child is already on 2 capsules of ProEFA a day. I would for sure

add nutriiveda first and then down the road add the extra EPA because you

already have the essential fats going in -now you can add some of the other

nutrients we have found to be most important. In fact when you add the ProEPA

down the road you could in fact lower the dosage as even at a lower dosage of

fish oils you should see more surges with the right formula. So instead of 2

proEFA -just give one ProEFA and only squeeze out half a capsule of ProEPA.

Either you'll see another surge or he'll remain the same. Unless you waited

awhile it will be hard to know with the added EPA as with nutriiveda from what I

have seen the surges are dramatic, sudden, and they are in so many areas and

they continue. Please again read this list for areas

> http://pursuitofresearch.org/pursuit.html

>

> So in fact you already started fish oils- whatever you've seen on them is

going to give you an idea of the surges we see on the oil therapy....now again I

say add nutriiveda -and here's why http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html

>

> Do you have all the info to share with your child's doctor? Even though it's

just a food- I really want everyone to share because more doctors need to be

aware of these surges so other children can benefit. There are too many

skeptics out there who probably doubt the testimonies

http://pursuitofresearch.org/testimonials.html are real. They aren't only

real...they are appearing to be across the board from the survey. The main

problem reported by some is the trouble getting it in (which is why I came up

with this page http://pursuitofresearch.org/serving_suggestions.html ) and wow

you guys have come up with such interesting recipes!!! Liralen...I never would

have thought of nutriiveda jello!!! The cookies all sounded good...I would

never have thought of the Rice Krispy treats either Kate!! I guess I'm lucky in

that my boys just drink it with water now..me too

>

> =====

>