Re: question about protein intake

[Guest guest]

Yep, it was amazing.  Yesterday was downer day, though.  I think all the extra

activity on Sat. and Sun. wiped Josh out!  He had a really lazy day and we had

a couple rough patches about peeing.  Oh well, I figure things will balance out

eventually.

 

I do have a question about protein intake from other sources though.  A kid

Josh's age should have about60-80 grams of protein a day.  He drinks a lot of

milk during a given day and gets most of his other protein from peanut butter

(he's one of those kids!) with smatterings of eggs, chicken, and fish.  With as

much protein as NV provides, do other parents cut back on other sources of

protein while using NV?

 

Sherry

[Guest guest]

Sherry please put the source where you found the dosage of protein because

that's not what I've read and heard when looking into this -what you quoted is

on the low end of acceptable. I have references for both children and adults

below from the Mayo Clinic. If after reading this you are still unsure of

nutritional guidelines for protein you should probably speak with a nutritionist

or your pediatrician. The worry for both children and seniors typically is the

opposite -not enough protein a day! From the child chart from the Mayo clinic

-

the recommended dosage for protein for a

boy 9-13 would be 45 to 135 grams a day,

boy 4-8 would be 35-105 grams a day

(other ages and girl information here too)

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/nutrition-for-kids/nu00606

Since right now you are only at one scoop that would be 10 grams -when you get

to 2 scoops that would be 20 grams etc.

Not sure how much peanut butter Josh eats -but it's 8 grams of protein for every

2 tablespoons according to the Peanut Institute (lower for most store brands

which are also higher in sugar etc) so Josh would have to eat 3/4 cup of

natural peanut butter a day just for the minimum amount of protein

http://www.peanut-institute.org/NutritionBasics.html

There are also about 8 grams of protein in each cup of milk, about 7 grams of

protein in each ounce of chicken...so you get the idea. Also the reason for a

varied diet is because it's RARE to eat any one protein source and get ALL of

the essential amino acids in one meal as you do with nutriiveda and that is only

because of the expensive gentle natural way this casein free whey is processed

(Amino Acids; Alanine, Arginine, Aspartic Acid, Cystin, Glutamic Acid, Glycine,

Histidine, Isoleucine, Leucine, Lysine, Methionine, Phenylalanine, Proline,

Serine, Thereonine, Trytophan, Tyrosine, Valine) -and each ingredient is

certified a food, and all nutrients are from whole food sources which is the

purest form of supplementation http://pursuitofresearch.org/ingredients.html

(find nutritional labels here)

Here is general information on protein and adult dosage also from the Mayo

Clinic

Protein

Description: Protein is essential to human life. Your skin, bones, muscles and

organ tissue all contain protein. Protein is found in your blood, hormones and

enzymes, too. Protein sources include both plant and animal products. Legumes,

poultry, seafood, meat, dairy products, nuts and seeds are your richest sources

of protein.

Recommendation: Get 10 to 35 percent of your total daily calories come from

protein. Based on a 2,000-calorie-a-day diet, this amounts to about 50 to 175

grams a day. Emphasize plant sources of protein, such as beans, lentils and soy,

choose lean meats, and try to include seafood twice a week.

Again here is the info from the Mayo Clinic which I have referred to for

children:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/nutrition-for-kids/nu00606

Also may want to read up on Proteomics from the Mayo Clinic

http://discoverysedge.mayo.edu/proteomics/index.cfm

Some theories as to why the protein/essential amino acids are important:

http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html

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[Guest guest]

Hi -  if I recall correctly, the source was a website called

healthcenter.com.  The reason I ask is because my ex is against Josh being on

NV (I'm primary custodial and ex sees Josh probably every six to eight weeks for

the past year), saying there's not enough information about the effect of the

protein on kids with Josh's non-epileptic seizures and dyspraxia, that wouldn't

simply giving him a B complex accomplish the same thing, that he's convinced the

non-epileptic seizures are affecting Josh's heart (in the face of 4 doctors

who have said to the contrary), that isn't the low energy Josh has really from

him simply being overweight and wouldn't a diet and more exercise do the trick,

and maybe there's too much running around after school and he's just tired

(which seems to be contrary to his previous statement, and we don't do a whole

lot of " running around " - gee, is speech therapy " running around? " ).  I'm a bit

po'd at him, as you can

tell. 

 

I also saw the information you have below on the amount of protein in peanut

butter, eggs, milk, etc. and passed that on to my ex to show that Josh would not

be getting an inordinate amount of protein - fell on deaf ears.  The range you

quote is what I also saw, but the higher amounts of protein seem to be tied into

physical activity - the higher activity, the more protein needed.  The range,

as you correctly noted, is on the low end and I was looking at that because, at

the moment, Josh is not overly active.  I'm hoping that, with the NV, his

energy level will increase and he will be more active as time goes on.  And,

yes, low protein intake has actually been a concern of mine for Josh, even with

the amount of milk he drinks during any given day, I've felt there has been a

limited range of sources of protein and perhaps not enough generally speaking. 

The ex, I think, just has chosen to be contrary to everything I do in Josh's

life.  I will

forward him the links you have below.

 

Sherry and Josh

From: kiddietalk <kiddietalk@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: question about protein intake

Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 8:06 AM

 

Sherry please put the source where you found the dosage of protein because

that's not what I've read and heard when looking into this -what you quoted is

on the low end of acceptable. I have references for both children and adults

below from the Mayo Clinic. If after reading this you are still unsure of

nutritional guidelines for protein you should probably speak with a nutritionist

or your pediatrician. The worry for both children and seniors typically is the

opposite -not enough protein a day! From the child chart from the Mayo clinic -

the recommended dosage for protein for a

boy 9-13 would be 45 to 135 grams a day,

boy 4-8 would be 35-105 grams a day

(other ages and girl information here too)

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/nutrition-for-kids/nu00606

Since right now you are only at one scoop that would be 10 grams -when you get

to 2 scoops that would be 20 grams etc.

Not sure how much peanut butter Josh eats -but it's 8 grams of protein for every

2 tablespoons according to the Peanut Institute (lower for most store brands

which are also higher in sugar etc) so Josh would have to eat 3/4 cup of natural

peanut butter a day just for the minimum amount of protein

http://www.peanut-institute.org/NutritionBasics.html

There are also about 8 grams of protein in each cup of milk, about 7 grams of

protein in each ounce of chicken...so you get the idea. Also the reason for a

varied diet is because it's RARE to eat any one protein source and get ALL of

the essential amino acids in one meal as you do with nutriiveda and that is only

because of the expensive gentle natural way this casein free whey is processed

(Amino Acids; Alanine, Arginine, Aspartic Acid, Cystin, Glutamic Acid, Glycine,

Histidine, Isoleucine, Leucine, Lysine, Methionine, Phenylalanine, Proline,

Serine, Thereonine, Trytophan, Tyrosine, Valine) -and each ingredient is

certified a food, and all nutrients are from whole food sources which is the

purest form of supplementation http://pursuitofresearch.org/ingredients.html

(find nutritional labels here)

Here is general information on protein and adult dosage also from the Mayo

Clinic

Protein

Description: Protein is essential to human life. Your skin, bones, muscles and

organ tissue all contain protein. Protein is found in your blood, hormones and

enzymes, too. Protein sources include both plant and animal products. Legumes,

poultry, seafood, meat, dairy products, nuts and seeds are your richest sources

of protein.

Recommendation: Get 10 to 35 percent of your total daily calories come from

protein. Based on a 2,000-calorie-a-day diet, this amounts to about 50 to 175

grams a day. Emphasize plant sources of protein, such as beans, lentils and soy,

choose lean meats, and try to include seafood twice a week.

Again here is the info from the Mayo Clinic which I have referred to for

children:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/nutrition-for-kids/nu00606

Also may want to read up on Proteomics from the Mayo Clinic

http://discoverysedge.mayo.edu/proteomics/index.cfm

Some theories as to why the protein/essential amino acids are important:

http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html

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[Guest guest]

Sherry I didn't think healthcenter.com looked very credible- looks like one of

those sites that take over sites once a domain expires- unless that's not the

direct link healthcenter.com?? Anyway the Mayo Clinic doesn't state anything

about activity -from what I read and will speak to others at some point, the 45

gram would be the " minimum " and then 135 grams would be on the maximum amount a

day. Isn't Josh around 11 years old?

What I also suggest you look into are the dosages for essential amino acids

daily because interestingly enough -even babies need very high amounts!

(speaking of essential amino acids) Again it's not easy for one to ingest all

of the essential amino acids daily without nutriiveda. So as always don't just

look at protein -look what you get with it in the food.

And even though I just posted this -wanted to take a clip out of this as I found

this part interesting and perhaps something else we need to look into why

nutriiveda may be " working "

" Proteins are central to our understanding of cellular function and disease

process. " 1. The project is attracting the cooperation of Harvard Medical School,

the universities of Geneva and Tokyo, and the Ludwig Institute for Cancer

Research, to name just a few.

We have known for some time that human protein interactions go well beyond

building muscle tissue. The Human Proteome Project is about to create an

explosion of interest in the intricate universe of human protein function. There

is already a base of research that demonstrates how high-biological dietary

proteins can positively effect human immune function, fighting cancer, bacteria,

and viral activity, as well as reducing cholesterol and slowing aging. It is

interesting to see the direct links between human protein function and dietary

protein intake.

Recent studies have identified a master switch for human immune function, a

protein called CD4. One protein subfraction called lactoferrin, also known as a

micropeptide, is found in high biological value whey protein and human breast

milk. It is found to enhance the function of CD4, improving overall immune

function.2

Whey protein has repeatedly demonstrated a capacity to fight cancer. In one

study, breast cancer cell growth was inhibited with the introduction of low

quantities of dietary whey protein.3 Another study showed a regression of

cancerous growths with the addition of 30g per day of whey protein.4

~~~~~~~~~~

I know this one article is just referring to cancer -but the lactoferrin they

say if found high in whey and they are linking that to enhancing function of

CD4...so just saying there may be more in general in the study of proteomes and

how this too may be helping.

Ha and some people thought that there is no science behind diet!!!

Good luck Sherry -sounds like you still have your hands full. Don't forget to

channel your strong debate skills as an attorney!

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