Re: Super Hyper and a lot of laughs. Help !!

[Guest guest]

I am sure that many other parents will respond with more information, but I

know that told me that a hyper/silly attitude was a common side

effect of the NV in the first couple of weeks and that it DOES go away, so bear

through it and hopefully the end is in sight. NV can do SO much great, that

in a few weeks, you will not even be thinking about this! :-)

-Brittany

In a message dated 8/25/2010 4:01:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

diana_lauw@... writes:

Hi all,

I started my son in the NV since 8/12/2010, and work my way up to full

dose ( 2 scoop) since last Friday ( I was worried he will react to the Tumeric

ingredients in the NV, since his blood test shown reaction to Turmeric).

He becomes very hyper, restless, hard time to sleep, constantly lauhing

(inappropriate laugh)and very challenging to all of us. He refused to take his

NV, no matter what I put it into, but some how I managed. His behavior gets

really bad, to the point his teacher said that he cant learn anything

since he keep laughing, no concentration, and he keep throwing everything on

the table.

I am so tired, and worried since he got his lip split and dry as soon as

he started the NV. I know a lot of mom reported a lot of good results after

taking this NV, but has any one have similar issue like mine? Any comments

will be appreciated.

[Guest guest]

For my child the inappropriate laugh was a leaky gut syndrome allergy to cow's

dairy.  When I took it she stopped doing that.  She can drink goat's milk and

not have that laugh.  The laugh can possibly mean the body is reading the

casien protein as herion because herion and casien look almost identicle to the

brain.  When we eat our food does not go to the brain though unless we have a

leaky gut syndrome usually found in children with autism.  Also this can be

called autistic entercolitis.  Leaky gut in simple terms mean there is a leak

in the intestines that puts the food they eat into the blood stream and if it is

misread as a drug even though it is not the real drug the effects are the

same.  Just like if you were to give your child alcohol to drink and it seems

into the bloodstream.  There are places like generation rescue.com that will

explain more on what broke the child's system and why this is happening but from

personal experience I know

this all to be very true and frightening.  My daughter had what looked like

nicotine fits when I took the dairy away.  Then she detoxed and improved.  You

should be very careful to take anything because they can be so addicted.  also

I know this nv stuff you are all trying has cow's dairy in it so be careful. 

trust your instincts.  If YOUR child is reacting funny to nv or just seems off

in normal life you might want to consider leaky gut.  Wheat and dairy are

usually the problem foods and they are in many things.  My daughter uses a

different soap and hair and tooth paste so there will be no wheat in her body

ever. 

From: Wedyana <diana_lauw@...>

Subject: [ ] Super Hyper and a lot of laughs. Help !!

Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:17 AM

 

Hi all,

I started my son in the NV since 8/12/2010, and work my way up to full dose ( 2

scoop) since last Friday ( I was worried he will react to the Tumeric

ingredients in the NV, since his blood test shown reaction to Turmeric). He

becomes very hyper, restless, hard time to sleep, constantly lauhing

(inappropriate laugh)and very challenging to all of us. He refused to take his

NV, no matter what I put it into, but some how I managed. His behavior gets

really bad, to the point his teacher said that he cant learn anything since he

keep laughing, no concentration, and he keep throwing everything on the table.

I am so tired, and worried since he got his lip split and dry as soon as he

started the NV. I know a lot of mom reported a lot of good results after taking

this NV, but has any one have similar issue like mine? Any comments will be

appreciated.

[Guest guest]

Hi Wedyana!

I know you and I spoke when you first ordered NV but can't recall if we covered

all of this. I'm not sure of the test you used, but yes the hyper side effect

is reported lots. I do know of one child with apraxia that is the nephew of one

of my friends who also started laughing more, but in that case the teacher and

other professionals as well as the mother were all thrilled with that as this

child (who I have met) had oral apraxia and not much reaction to anything prior

-in fact in my mind it's hard to think of him without picturing a lethargic

looking preschool child...which I can relate to as my son Tanner was that way

prior to fish oils. So I too welcomed the increase in energy. But it seems

that in your son's case it's not typical or good. Was the testing showing he's

allergic to turmeric because if so even though I'm sure it's just a small amount

per scoop as the majority of the product

http://pursuitofresearch.org/ingredients.html is the protein and then there are

some other whole foods and the last ingredient is the blend which has

turmeric...it's probably best to avoid all turmeric.

From feedback from both parents and at this point professionals working with

children, it does appear that NV is working for almost all and in more cases

than one could expect with remarkable surges, but it is probably impossible for

anything to work for all. Especially in regards to allergies -we even have one

member on nutriiveda with her little brother who is 13 and apraxic doing really

well- but Mimi is allergic to the sun. NV comes with a 100 percent money back

guarantee for the first month so you can just send it back and get a refund. I

typically would tell people to speak with the doctor, try lowering the dosage,

but it appears that you already have test results showing your child should not

take turmeric and clearly that is one of the ingredients. It is possible that

even that small amount is affecting him in an odd way (I have side effects below

but nothing at all like what you have here -very simple side effects listed by

the NIH like tummy issues) Call or email me if you need help in sending the

product back. I also think your case should be documented by the company as it

is here since I know they are looking at research and I can help with that as

well.

I know one parent asked if it's because the whey is from the cow...but again we

are seeing results in all kinds of children with various diagnosis including all

types of autism and all ages from toddler to adult who have and some still are

on restricted diets, some allergic to dairy, and in almost all cases with

amazingly positive results. Again NV is 100 percent casein free and whey is the

gold standard for providing ALL of the essential amino acids per serving which

is key to human life, development, growth, everything!

Here's some info on turmeric as all like me are probably curious now -the

following is from the NIH and again I didn't find any links to how it may make a

child laugh more/inappropriately (but then again growing up with a brother

laughing inappropriately was normal to me and most parents of boys!!)as they

even found it OK for pregnant and nursing women. Reading the following I'm even

more excited about the benefits of turmeric for almost all!! It appears they

are going to be studying it further for many conditions, some quite serious.

The following is from

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-turmeric.html but

since websites change and I know how important NV is for so many of us -thought

I'd share the entire page here!

Turmeric (Curcuma longa Linn.) and Curcumin

URL of this page:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-turmeric.html

Background

Synonyms

Evidence

Dosing

Safety

Interactions

Methodology

Selected references

Turmeric (Curcuma longa Linn.) and Curcumin

Background

The rhizome (root) of turmeric ( Curcuma longa Linn.) has long been used in

traditional Asian medicine to treat gastrointestinal upset, arthritic pain, and

" low energy. " Laboratory and animal research has demonstrated anti-inflammatory,

antioxidant, and anti-cancer properties of turmeric and its constituent

curcumin. Preliminary human evidence, albeit poor quality, suggests possible

efficacy in the management of dyspepsia (heartburn), hyperlipidemia (high

cholesterol), and scabies (when used on the skin).

Synonyms

Amomoum curcuma, anlatone (constituent), ar-tumerone, CUR, Curcuma , Curcuma

aromatica , Curcuma aromatica salisbury, Curcuma domestica , Curcuma

domestica valet, Curcuma longa , Curcuma longa Linn, Curcuma longa

rhizoma, curcuma oil, curcumin, diferuloylmethane, E zhu, Gelbwurzel, gurkemeje,

haldi, Haridra, Indian saffron, Indian yellow root, jiang huang, kunir, kunyit,

Kurkumawurzelstock, kyoo, NT, number ten, Olena, radix zedoaria longa, rhizome

de curcuma, safran des Indes, sesquiterpenoids, shati, tumeric, turmeric oil,

turmeric root, tumerone (constituent), Ukon, yellowroot, zedoary, Zingiberaceae

(family), zingiberene, Zitterwurzel.

Evidence

These uses have been tested in humans or animals. Safety and effectiveness have

not always been proven. Some of these conditions are potentially serious, and

should be evaluated by a qualified healthcare provider.

Uses based on scientific evidence Grade *

Blood clot prevention

Early research suggests that turmeric may prevent the formation of blood clots.

However, more research is needed before turmeric can be recommended for these

conditions. C

Cancer

Several early animal and laboratory studies report anti-cancer (colon, skin,

breast) properties of curcumin. Many mechanisms have been considered, including

antioxidant activity, anti-angiogenesis (prevention of new blood vessel growth),

and direct effects on cancer cells. Currently it remains unclear if turmeric or

curcumin has a role in preventing or treating human cancers. There are several

ongoing studies in this area. C

Cognitive function

Curcumin has been shown to have antioxidant and anti-inflammatory properties and

to reduce beta-amyloid and plaque burden in lab studies. However, there is

currently not enough evidence to suggest the use of curcumin for cognitive

performance. C

Dyspepsia (heartburn)

Turmeric has been traditionally used to treat stomach problems (such as

indigestion from a fatty meal). There is preliminary evidence that turmeric may

offer some relief from these stomach problems. However, at high doses or with

prolonged use, turmeric may actually irritate or upset the stomach. Reliable

human research is necessary before a recommendation can be made. C

Gallstone prevention/bile flow stimulant

It has been said that there are fewer people with gallstones in India, which is

sometimes credited to turmeric in the diet. Early studies report that curcumin,

a chemical in turmeric, may decrease the occurrence of gallstones. However,

reliable human studies are lacking in this area. The use of turmeric may be

inadvisable in patients with active gallstones. C

High cholesterol

Early studies suggest that turmeric may lower levels of low-density lipoprotein

( " bad cholesterol " ) and total cholesterol in the blood. Better human studies are

needed before a recommendation can be made. C

HIV/AIDS

Several laboratory studies suggest that curcumin, a component of turmeric, may

have activity against HIV. However, reliable human studies are lacking in this

area. C

Inflammation

Laboratory and animal studies show anti-inflammatory activity of turmeric and

its constituent curcumin. Reliable human research is lacking. C

Irritable bowel syndrome (IBS)

Irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) is a common functional disorder for which there

are limited reliable medical treatments. One study investigated the effects of

Curcuma xanthorriza on IBS and found that treatment did not show any

therapeutic benefit over placebo. More studies are needed to verify these

findings. C

Liver protection

In traditional Indian Ayurvedic medicine, turmeric has been used to tone the

liver. Early research suggests that turmeric may have a protective effect on the

liver, but more research is needed before any recommendations can be made. C

Oral leukoplakia

Results from lab and animal studies suggest turmeric may have anticancer

effects. Large, well-designed human studies are needed before a recommendation

can be made. C

Osteoarthritis

Turmeric has been used historically to treat rheumatic conditions. Laboratory

and animal studies show anti-inflammatory activity of turmeric and its

constituent curcumin, which may be beneficial in people with osteoarthritis.

Reliable human research is lacking. C

Peptic ulcer disease (stomach ulcer)

Turmeric has been used historically to treat stomach and duodenal ulcers.

However, at high doses or with prolonged use, turmeric may actually further

irritate or upset the stomach. Currently, there is not enough human evidence to

make a firm recommendation. C

Rheumatoid arthritis

Turmeric has been used historically to treat rheumatic conditions and based on

animal research may reduce inflammation. Reliable human studies are necessary

before a recommendation can be made in this area. C

Scabies

Historically, turmeric has been used on the skin to treat chronic skin ulcers

and scabies. It has also been used in combination with the leaves of the herb

Azadirachta indica ADR or " neem. " More research is necessary before a firm

recommendation can be made. C

Uveitis (eye inflammation)

Laboratory and animal studies show anti-inflammatory activity of turmeric and

its constituent curcumin. A poorly designed human study suggests a possible

benefit of curcumin in the treatment of uveitis. Reliable human research is

necessary before a firm conclusion can be drawn. C

Viral infection

Evidence suggests that turmeric may help treat viral infections. However, there

is not enough human evidence in this area. Well-designed trials are needed to

determine if these claims are true. C

*Key to grades

A: Strong scientific evidence for this use;

B: Good scientific evidence for this use;

C: Unclear scientific evidence for this use;

D: Fair scientific evidence against this use;

F: Strong scientific evidence against this use.

Grading rationale

Uses based on tradition or theory

The below uses are based on tradition or scientific theories. They often have

not been thoroughly tested in humans, and safety and effectiveness have not

always been proven. Some of these conditions are potentially serious, and should

be evaluated by a qualified healthcare provider.

Abdominal bloating, Alzheimer's disease, antibacterial, antifungal,

antimicrobial, antispasmodic, anti-venom, appetite stimulant, asthma, boils,

breast milk stimulant, bruises, cataracts, chemoprotective, contraception,

cough, cystic fibrosis, diabetes, diarrhea, dizziness, epilepsy, flavoring

agent, gas, gonorrhea, heart damage from doxorubicin (Adriamycin®, Doxil®),

Helicobacter pylori infection, hepatitis, high blood pressure, histological

dye, human papillomavirus (HPV), hypoglycemic agent (blood sugar lowering),

infections (methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus ), insect bites, insect

repellent, jaundice, kidney disease, kidney stones, leprosy, liver damage from

toxins/drugs, male fertility, menstrual pain, menstrual period problems/lack of

menstrual period, multidrug resistance, neurodegenerative disorders, pain,

parasites, ringworm, scarring, scleroderma, weight reduction.

Dosing Return to top

The below doses are based on scientific research, publications, traditional use,

or expert opinion. Many herbs and supplements have not been thoroughly tested,

and safety and effectiveness may not be proven. Brands may be made differently,

with variable ingredients, even within the same brand. The below doses may not

apply to all products. You should read product labels, and discuss doses with a

qualified healthcare provider before starting therapy.

Adults (over 18 years old)

Doses used range from 450 milligrams of curcumin capsules to 3 grams of turmeric

root daily, divided into several doses, taken by mouth. As a tea, 1 to 1.5 grams

of dried root may be steeped in 150 milliliters of water for 15 minutes and

taken twice daily. Average dietary intake of turmeric in the Indian population

may range between 2 to 2.5 grams, corresponding to 60 to 200 milligrams of

curcumin daily. A dose of 0.6 milliliters of turmeric oil has been taken three

times daily for one month and a dose of 1 milliliter in three divided doses has

been taken for two months.

One reported method for treating scabies is to cover affected areas once daily

with a paste consisting of a 4:1 mixture of Azadirachta indica ADR ( " neem " ) to

turmeric, for up to 15 days. Scabies should be treated under the supervision of

a qualified healthcare professional.

Children (under 18 years old)

There is no proven or safe medicinal dose of turmeric in children.

Safety Return to top

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration does not strictly regulate herbs and

supplements. There is no guarantee of strength, purity or safety of products,

and effects may vary. You should always read product labels. If you have a

medical condition, or are taking other drugs, herbs, or supplements, you should

speak with a qualified healthcare provider before starting a new therapy.

Consult a healthcare provider immediately if you experience side effects.

Allergies

Allergic reactions to turmeric may occur, including contact dermatitis (an itchy

rash) after skin or scalp exposure. People with allergies to plants in the

Curcuma genus are more likely to have an allergic reaction to turmeric. Use

cautiously in patients allergic to turmeric or any of its constituents

(including curcumin), to yellow food colorings, or to plants in the

Zingiberaceae (ginger) family.

Side Effects and Warnings

Turmeric may cause an upset stomach, especially in high doses or if given over a

long period of time. Heartburn has been reported in patients being treated for

stomach ulcers. Since turmeric is sometimes used for the treatment of heartburn

or ulcers, caution may be necessary in some patients. Nausea and diarrhea have

also been reported.

Based on laboratory and animal studies, turmeric may increase the risk of

bleeding. Caution is advised in patients with bleeding disorders or taking drugs

that may increase the risk of bleeding. Dosing adjustments may be necessary.

Turmeric should be stopped prior to scheduled surgery.

Limited animal studies show that a component of turmeric, curcumin, may increase

liver function tests. However, one human study reports that turmeric has no

effect on these tests. Turmeric or curcumin may cause gallbladder squeezing

(contraction) and may not be advised in patients with gallstones. In animal

studies, hair loss (alopecia) and lowering of blood pressure have been reported.

In theory, turmeric may weaken the immune system and should be used cautiously

in patients with immune system deficiencies.

Turmeric should be used with caution in people with diabetes or hypoglycemia or

people taking drugs or supplements that lower blood sugar.

Pregnancy and Breastfeeding

Historically, turmeric has been considered safe when used as a spice in foods

during pregnancy and breastfeeding. However, turmeric has been found to cause

uterine stimulation and to stimulate menstrual flow and caution is therefore

warranted during pregnancy. Animal studies have not found turmeric taken by

mouth to cause abnormal fetal development.

Interactions Return to top

Most herbs and supplements have not been thoroughly tested for interactions with

other herbs, supplements, drugs, or foods. The interactions listed below are

based on reports in scientific publications, laboratory experiments, or

traditional use. You should always read product labels. If you have a medical

condition, or are taking other drugs, herbs, or supplements, you should speak

with a qualified healthcare provider before starting a new therapy.

Interactions with Drugs

Based on laboratory and animal studies, turmeric may inhibit platelets in the

blood and increase the risk of bleeding caused by other drugs. Some examples

include aspirin, anticoagulants ( " blood thinners " ) such as warfarin (Coumadin®)

or heparin, anti-platelet drugs such as clopidogrel (Plavix®), and non-steroidal

anti-inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofen (Motrin®, Advil®) or naproxen

(Naprosyn®, Aleve® ).

Based on animal data, turmeric may lower blood sugar and therefore may have

additive effects with diabetes medications.

In animals, turmeric protects against stomach ulcers caused by non-steroidal

anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) such as indomethacin (Indocin®) and against

heart damage caused by the chemotherapy drug doxorubicin (Adriamycin®).

Turmeric may lower blood pressure levels and may have an additive effect if

taken with drugs that also lower blood pressure.

Turmeric may lower blood levels of low-density lipoprotein (LDL or " bad "

cholesterol) and increase high-density lipoprotein (HDL or " good " cholesterol).

Thus, turmeric may increase the effects of cholesterol-lowering drugs such as

lovastatin (Mevacor®) or atorvastatin (Lipitor®).

Based on animal studies, turmeric may interfere with the way the body processes

certain drugs using the liver's " cytochrome P450 " enzyme system. As a result,

the levels of these drugs may be increased in the blood and may cause increased

effects or potentially serious adverse reactions. Patients using any medications

should check the package insert and speak with a healthcare professional or

pharmacist about possible interactions.

When taken with indomethacin or reserpine, turmeric may help reduce the number

of stomach and intestinal ulcers normally caused by these drugs. However, when

taken in larger doses or when used for long periods of time, turmeric itself can

cause ulcers.

Interactions with Herbs and Dietary Supplements

Based on animal studies, turmeric may increase the risk of bleeding when taken

with herbs and supplements that are believed to increase the risk of bleeding.

Multiple cases of bleeding have been reported with the use of Ginkgo biloba ,

some cases with garlic, and fewer cases with saw palmetto.

Based on animal data, turmeric may lower blood sugar. Individuals taking other

herbs or supplements or diabetes medications should speak with a healthcare

professional before starting turmeric.

Turmeric may lower blood levels of low-density lipoprotein (LDL or " bad "

cholesterol) and increase high-density lipoprotein (HDL or " good " cholesterol).

Thus, turmeric may increase the effects of cholesterol-lowering herbs or

supplements such as fish oil, garlic, guggul, or niacin.

Based on animal studies, turmeric may interfere with the way the body processes

certain herbs or supplements using the liver's " cytochrome P450 " enzyme system.

As a result, the levels of other herbs or supplements may become too high in the

blood. It may also alter the effects that other herbs or supplements possibly

have on the P450 system.

Turmeric may lower blood pressure and may therefore have an additive effect if

taken with herbs that also lower blood pressure.

Methodology Return to top

This information is based on a professional level monograph edited and

peer-reviewed by contributors to the Natural Standard Research Collaboration

(www.naturalstandard.com).

Methodology details

Selected references Return to top

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2. Brinkhaus B, Hentschel C, Von Keudell C, et al. Herbal medicine with

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activity of curcumin (diferuloyl methane). Indian J Med Res 1980;71:632-634.

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[Guest guest]

Just to add to what said--one does NOT have to be autistic to develop a

leaky gut---whenever there are metabolic processes astray--missing or

insufficient enzymes to process nutrients, autoimmune issues and opportunistic

infections take hold--yeast/bacteria/parasites--we've had all 3

repeatedly--that's where the leaky gut develops and it is quite a process to

heal it--a very strict diet, a good probiotic plus the investigation to know

what to avoid exactly as it is often beyond just wheat and dairy--the child

becomes intolerant to just about everything temporarily--until the permeable

intestines heal.

Also--many drugs, pain killers, antacid medication, a course of antibiotics

without proper pro-biotic protection--can lead to a leaky gut, just as a

viral/bacterial infection can do it as well--in fact it happens quite often and

almost always in the elderly--who all of a sudden become intolerant to foods

they used to eat just fine. Ironically --their meal often consists of the exact

two things that are known to affect neurological functioning the most--wheat and

dairy--toast and cheese and some add jam to boost --boost inflammation that is

and worsen the leaky gut by feeding the bad bacteria.

So a leaky gut is in fact a common occurrence unfortunately--but it affects

different people differently--it's just that genetic differences and overall

body/brain toxic load can also determine how it will manifest in the body and

what will be affected the most.

Children with neurodevelopmental disorders--such as apraxia--ASD, ADHD, bipolar

etc.---will most often have autoimmune issues of various kinds--and metabolic

processing issues--that is why dietary interventions and supplements can do

wonders for some of these kids.

Again--it is NOT just about autism--although ASD kids appear to be affected the

most and most do respond to such treatments though the exact degree varies--it

is often tricky to get the exact problems nailed down and implement the

appropriate diet/supplement combo--it is mostly a trial and error and the

parents need to really know what to look for.

All the best,

Elena

Yest is the most common cause of such behavior though--again--when one has a

leaky gut--opportunistic infections such as bad bacteria--yeast strive and can

affect neurological functioning in rather severe ways--along with the other

substances that cause neuroinflamation--gluten/casein etc...

[Guest guest]

Elena I totally get what you're saying too!  We had to treat for yeast and

other issues a few times too.  We have been using a very strong probiotic for 2

years and I also bought a collodial silver machine.  Do you have one?  They

are wonderful!  It is an antimicrobial medicine.  It is a small machine that

adds pure silver ions to distilled water.  We use this instead of antibiotics

now.  (we all know how horrible antibiotics really are!)  It is wonderful and

can even kill mrsa, a nasty staph infection.  Anyway We are doing biomedical

which is fatty acids and good liquid multivitamins and nne takes the methyl

b12 every other night too.  (that is a shot)  I worry that nv is not a one

size fits all like some might think.  I am all for trying something but if

there are funny side effects like laughing in the beginning that is a true sign

of something wrong and I wouldn't just ignore it.  It may pass but it meant the

body was not

tollerating the medicine.  Biomed is great because you can personalize it to

your own child.  I do urine tests and send them to a special lab in france to

make sure julianne is getting the supplements she needs.  if she is low on iron

or whatever we supplement but the second she is at level we back off.  Over

supplementing can cause problems too.;  I keep hearing that kids are deficient

in tumeric and maybe so but woudlnt' it be better to test and find out for

sure?  We used a DAN! dr to help us find the right tests and read them.  You

can find them online locally.  For the kids that might be cow's dairy

intolerant the nv might be super cool in all other ways but might be making the

leaky gut problem worse.  That is a true issue that I as a very proactive mom

would never ignore no matter how good the med was for others.  You can do

biomed without cow's dairy.

CAthy

From: Elena Danaila <edanaila@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Super Hyper and a lot of laughs. Help !!

Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 3:11 PM

Just to add to what said--one does NOT have to be autistic to

develop a

leaky gut---whenever there are metabolic processes astray--missing or

insufficient enzymes to process nutrients, autoimmune issues and opportunistic

infections take hold--yeast/bacteria/parasites--we've had all 3

repeatedly--that's where the leaky gut develops and it is quite a process to

heal it--a very strict diet, a good probiotic plus the investigation to know

what to avoid exactly as it is often beyond just wheat and dairy--the child

becomes intolerant to just about everything temporarily--until the permeable

intestines heal.

Also--many drugs, pain killers, antacid medication, a course of antibiotics

without proper pro-biotic protection--can lead to a leaky gut, just as a

viral/bacterial infection can do it as well--in fact it happens quite often and

almost always in the elderly--who all of a sudden become intolerant to foods

they used to eat just fine. Ironically --their meal often consists of the exact

two things that are known to affect neurological functioning the most--wheat and

dairy--toast and cheese and some add jam to boost --boost inflammation that is

and worsen the leaky gut by feeding the bad bacteria.

So a leaky gut is in fact a common occurrence unfortunately--but it affects

different people differently--it's just that genetic differences and overall

body/brain toxic load can also determine how it will manifest in the body and

what will be affected the most.

Children with neurodevelopmental disorders--such as apraxia--ASD, ADHD, bipolar

etc.---will most often have autoimmune issues of various kinds--and metabolic

processing issues--that is why dietary interventions and supplements can do

wonders for some of these kids.

Again--it is NOT just about autism--although ASD kids appear to be affected the

most and most do respond to such treatments though the exact degree varies--it

is often tricky to get the exact problems nailed down and implement the

appropriate diet/supplement combo--it is mostly a trial and error and the

parents need to really know what to look for.

All the best,

Elena

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

Thanks for the postings. All appreciated. My son did the Igg test and the result

showed that he reacts really strongly to Turmeric. I was hesitant to try the NV

due to his leaky gut situation ( he has about 30 items that he reacts to). But I

also dont understand why he reacts so strongly to turmeric since he was okay

with it, a year ago.

But after I spoke to , she brought up a good point of if my son actually

reacts to the turmeric it self, or to the lead content that somehow mixed into

the turmeric I put into the cooking. So I tought, why dont I just give it a try?

And I did. I worked my way up, slowly to the 2 scoops dosage, and stop the

probiotics, and all the supplemets , except the omega 3-6-9 and EPA. And I

started to see big difference in his behavior. Uncontrollable, naughty, laughing

non stop, hard time to sleep ( I gave him melantonin 3 mg), no concentration,

and teachers started complaining that they can teach anything since he

constantly laughing and purposely behave very bad.(he usually really timid, shy

and quiet).

I am thinking to put back the probitics back, and see how it goes. Since a lot

of moms reported a good results and I have the NV started anyway, I think I will

stick to the NV couple more days, and if the situation didnt get any better I

will stop the NV and cut my losses. 

Another point to bring out, I shared the NV (I ordered 2 bottles package) with a

friend who also have an autistic daugther, and she has no food intolerance or

allergy, and after almost 2 weeks she didnt see any difference in her child.

Again,  I still  hope the NV will eventually help my son, but perhaps NV is

not

the solution for every kid.

Wedyana

________________________________

From: Christiansen <cathychristiansen84@...>

Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 5:37:17 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Super Hyper and a lot of laughs. Help !!

 

Elena I totally get what you're saying too!  We had to treat for yeast and

other

issues a few times too.  We have been using a very strong probiotic for 2 years

and I also bought a collodial silver machine.  Do you have one?  They are

wonderful!  It is an antimicrobial medicine.  It is a small machine that adds

pure silver ions to distilled water.  We use this instead of antibiotics now. 

(we all know how horrible antibiotics really are!)  It is wonderful and can

even

kill mrsa, a nasty staph infection.  Anyway We are doing biomedical which is

fatty acids and good liquid multivitamins and nne takes the methyl b12

every other night too.  (that is a shot)  I worry that nv is not a one size

fits

all like some might think.  I am all for trying something but if there are

funny

side effects like laughing in the beginning that is a true sign of something

wrong and I wouldn't just ignore it.  It may pass but it meant the body was not

tollerating the medicine.  Biomed is great because you can personalize it to

your own child.  I do urine tests and send them to a special lab in france to

make sure julianne is getting the supplements she needs.  if she is low on iron

or whatever we supplement but the second she is at level we back off.  Over

supplementing can cause problems too.;  I keep hearing that kids are deficient

in tumeric and maybe so but woudlnt' it be better to test and find out for

sure?  We used a DAN! dr to help us find the right tests and read them.  You

can

find them online locally.  For the kids that might be cow's dairy intolerant

the

nv might be super cool in all other ways but might be making the leaky gut

problem worse.  That is a true issue that I as a very proactive mom would never

ignore no matter how good the med was for others.  You can do biomed without

cow's dairy.

CAthy

From: Elena Danaila <edanaila@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Super Hyper and a lot of laughs. Help !!

Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 3:11 PM

Just to add to what said--one does NOT have to be autistic to develop a

leaky gut---whenever there are metabolic processes astray--missing or

insufficient enzymes to process nutrients, autoimmune issues and opportunistic

infections take hold--yeast/bacteria/parasites--we've had all 3

repeatedly--that's where the leaky gut develops and it is quite a process to

heal it--a very strict diet, a good probiotic plus the investigation to know

what to avoid exactly as it is often beyond just wheat and dairy--the child

becomes intolerant to just about everything temporarily--until the permeable

intestines heal.

Also--many drugs, pain killers, antacid medication, a course of antibiotics

without proper pro-biotic protection--can lead to a leaky gut, just as a

viral/bacterial infection can do it as well--in fact it happens quite often and

almost always in the elderly--who all of a sudden become intolerant to foods

they used to eat just fine. Ironically --their meal often consists of the exact

two things that are known to affect neurological functioning the most--wheat and

dairy--toast and cheese and some add jam to boost --boost inflammation that is

and worsen the leaky gut by feeding the bad bacteria.

So a leaky gut is in fact a common occurrence unfortunately--but it affects

different people differently--it's just that genetic differences and overall

body/brain toxic load can also determine how it will manifest in the body and

what will be affected the most.

Children with neurodevelopmental disorders--such as apraxia--ASD, ADHD, bipolar

etc.---will most often have autoimmune issues of various kinds--and metabolic

processing issues--that is why dietary interventions and supplements can do

wonders for some of these kids.

Again--it is NOT just about autism--although ASD kids appear to be affected the

most and most do respond to such treatments though the exact degree varies--it

is often tricky to get the exact problems nailed down and implement the

appropriate diet/supplement combo--it is mostly a trial and error and the

parents need to really know what to look for.

All the best,

Elena