Re: Increased hyperactivity with (sugar??)

[Guest guest]

Take 2 since I sent the first one while on the phone!

Hi again Bibi!

OK had a bit more time to look at this now.

1 scoop of NV is = to 8-9 level teaspoons

Horlicks has one serving as " 25 grams " on their site

http://www.horlicks.co.uk/products/PDFs/Horlicks-Original.pdf which according

tothis chart is about 6 teaspoons

http://www.drrobynsilverman.com/parenting-tips/pour-some-sugar-on-it-how-much-su\

gar-is-in-my-childs-food/ (so one serving of Horlicks is 2 to 3 teaspoons less

than a serving of NV)

....so if you used the NV scooper for the Horlicks which has 20.5 grams of sugar

per 25 grams of powder you were actually over the 20.5 grams of sugar per

serving- probably 23 to 24 grams per scoop (again if you used the NV scooper-

have never used Horlicks so don't know if it comes with it's own scooper

-probably would). But if you used the NV scoop that again is more than 25 grams

as one scoop using the NV scoops is the same as 8 to 9 teaspoons.

(again NV ingredients for both flavors here and NV has only 2 grams of organic

sugar per scoop

http://pursuitofresearch.org/ingredients.html )

But back to Horlicks- if each scoop of 25 grams contains 20.5 grams of sugar and

you multiply that by 4 -even that alone is 82 grams of sugar a day, and that's

only if you are using a scoop that comes with Horlicks- again using the NV

scooper for Horlicks powder -you are then serving probably closer to 85 to 100

grams of sugar a day.

And...according to this chart

http://www.drrobynsilverman.com/parenting-tips/pour-some-sugar-on-it-how-much-su\

gar-is-in-my-childs-food/ way over the amount of sugar a child should eat a day.

And sorry I missed your question about the withdrawal question you have below.

NV is just whole food which supports and strengthens the metabolic system by

providing good nutrition. There would be a withdrawal from NV in the same way

there would be a withdrawal from air or water... only if the child is no longer

getting the essentials needed such as essential nutrients. I suspect most today

don't get all the essential we need through normal diet alone which is why

clean whole food supps are so awesome. I suspect as they get older they can just

have an NV protein shake sometime in the AM which is perfectly normal but won't

need therapeutic dosages forever as I do suspect there is neuro repair happening

based on other research http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html

On the other hand -if you continue to give your child 4 scoops of Horlicks a day

and stop that- then you could be looking at a sugar withdrawal " Sugar on the

brain: Study shows sugar dependence in rats

Denied sugar, bingeing rats suffered withdrawal "

http://www.princeton.edu/pr/news/02/q2/0620-hoebel.htm See again we tend to be

more suspicious of the more healthy than the stuff we buy at the store. We need

to read labels more and learn more about essential nutrients and why they are

essential (because our bodies can not make them so we need to consume them

daily) -and question instead " how will genetically altered foods affect my child

in twenty years? " " How will all the synthetics, hormones and pesticides affect

my child in twenty years? " etc.

Because the question " How will a diet rich in all of the essential amino acids

and nutrients all from whole foods affect my child in twenty years? " I'd say

that answer is a healthier adult.

Question everything -but also take time to think about why we tend to question

healthier stuff and not even question junk foods and prescriptions- as that one

video Gabby just posted as a joke- what was that vaccine zombies?

Please tell me if I'm off on my math or something -just going by the Horlick's

website and you saying you use 4 scoops a day and using the website which makes

it seem that the product is primarily sugar

http://www.horlicks.co.uk/products/PDFs/Horlicks-Original.pdf

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[Guest guest]

Don't know where you stand on the gluten casein deal--but Horlick's Original is

a BIG NO-NO-for anyone sensitive to gluten/casein and it has a ton of sugar on

top.  great stuff taste-wise--used to love it--got hooked on it in South

Africa--it's their coco--but boy is it loaded with everything I and the rest of

my family is intolerant to.  I'd look for a substitute--like---say--yogurt,

pudding--it's almost like pudding anyway.

Elena

From: kiddietalk <kiddietalk@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Increased hyperactivity with (sugar??)

Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 9:47 PM

Take 2 since I sent the first one while on the phone!

Hi again Bibi!

OK had a bit more time to look at this now.

1 scoop of NV is = to 8-9 level teaspoons

Horlicks has one serving as " 25 grams " on their site

http://www.horlicks.co.uk/products/PDFs/Horlicks-Original.pdf which according

tothis chart is about 6 teaspoons

http://www.drrobynsilverman.com/parenting-tips/pour-some-sugar-on-it-how-much-su\

gar-is-in-my-childs-food/ (so one serving of Horlicks is 2 to 3 teaspoons less

than a serving of NV)

....so if you used the NV scooper for the Horlicks which has 20.5 grams of sugar

per 25 grams of powder you were actually over the 20.5 grams of sugar per

serving- probably 23 to 24 grams per scoop (again if you used the NV scooper-

have never used Horlicks so don't know if it comes with it's own scooper

-probably would).  But if you used the NV scoop that again is more than 25 grams

as one scoop using the NV scoops is the same as 8 to 9 teaspoons.

(again NV ingredients for both flavors here and NV has only 2 grams of organic

sugar per scoop

http://pursuitofresearch.org/ingredients.html )

But back to Horlicks- if each scoop of 25 grams contains 20.5 grams of sugar and

you multiply that by 4 -even that alone is 82 grams of sugar a day, and that's

only if you are using a scoop that comes with Horlicks- again using the NV

scooper for Horlicks powder -you are then serving probably closer to 85 to 100

grams of sugar a day.

And...according to this chart

http://www.drrobynsilverman.com/parenting-tips/pour-some-sugar-on-it-how-much-su\

gar-is-in-my-childs-food/ way over the amount of sugar a child should eat a day.

And sorry I missed your question about the withdrawal question you have below.

NV is just whole food which supports and strengthens the metabolic system by

providing good nutrition. There would be a withdrawal from NV in the same way

there would be a withdrawal from air or water... only if the child is no longer

getting the essentials needed such as essential nutrients. I suspect most today

don't get all the essential we need through normal diet alone which is why

clean whole food supps are so awesome. I suspect as they get older they can just

have an NV protein shake sometime in the AM which is perfectly normal but won't

need therapeutic dosages forever as I do suspect there is neuro repair happening

based on other research http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html

On the other hand -if you continue to give your child 4 scoops of Horlicks a day

and stop that- then you could be looking at a sugar withdrawal " Sugar on the

brain: Study shows sugar dependence in rats

Denied sugar, bingeing rats suffered withdrawal "

http://www.princeton.edu/pr/news/02/q2/0620-hoebel.htm See again we tend to be

more suspicious of the more healthy than the stuff we buy at the store. We need

to read labels more and learn more about essential nutrients and why they are

essential (because our bodies can not make them so we need to consume them

daily) -and question instead " how will genetically altered foods affect my child

in twenty years? " " How will all the synthetics, hormones and pesticides affect

my child in twenty years? " etc.

Because the question " How will a diet rich in all of the essential amino acids

and nutrients all from whole foods affect my child in twenty years? " I'd say

that answer is a healthier adult.

Question everything -but also take time to think about why we tend to question

healthier stuff and not even question junk foods and prescriptions- as that one

video Gabby just posted as a joke- what was that vaccine zombies?

Please tell me if I'm off on my math or something -just going by the Horlick's

website and you saying you use 4 scoops a day and using the website which makes

it seem that the product is primarily sugar

http://www.horlicks.co.uk/products/PDFs/Horlicks-Original.pdf

=====

[Guest guest]

It might be the Horlick's. I didn't notice that you were mixed the two before.

Could you just add chocolate syrup instead? You'd still have all that sugar, but

not the extra vitamins.

Just wanted to maybe give you a few more ideas to mix NV into food

you can cream the vanilla into butter and make NV butter. It's good on toast

and pancakes and won't discolor the syrup like NV does if you mix it into the

syrup. You can also put a small mound on bread and rub it into the holes in the

bread and make a sandwich or whatever.

You could mix chocolate NV into nutella or blueberry or raspberry jam for a

blueberry chocolate peanut butter sandwich.

You can make the no bake cookies

(from http://pursuitofresearch.org/serving_suggestions.html )

1 Tbsn peanut butter

some chocolate syrup or honey

1 scoop choco NV

cream it in...it takes a while, but you want the peanut butter/syrup to be dry

and not quite crumbly

I press this into silicone muffin cups and push m & m's, nuts, raisins, chocolate

chips or whatever into the top

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001ET7B9E/ref=s9_k2ah_gw_ir03?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIK\

X0DER & pf_rd_s=center-5 & pf_rd_r=0G1Q53KP3JGK1HB4MT6F & pf_rd_t=101 & pf_rd_p=47093929\

1 & pf_rd_i=507846

I store them in the fridge in a lidded container to keep them fresh and dispense

like other treats. The forbidden aspect makes them tastier.

I have yet to try it, but I've considered melting chocolate and dipping the

formed peanut butter/choco NV mixture into it to make Nutriiveda peanut butter

cups.

My son tastes the NV in most things and refuses puddings, yogurt or liquids with

the NV in it... so I've had to become very sneaky to get it in him. and he

never gets a full scoop. For some weeks I just got despondent and stopped

giving it to him. It is such a fight. Well, I've started again without telling

anyone. He's not even getting half a scoop (he's 3 and so should get 1 scoop).

so last night my husband pointed out that his language is becoming really clear.

Hmmm. I think even a little bit of this can make a little difference.

Liralen

>

> Don't know where you stand on the gluten casein deal--but Horlick's Original

is a BIG NO-NO-for anyone sensitive to gluten/casein and it has a ton of sugar

on top.  great stuff taste-wise--used to love it--got hooked on it in South

Africa--it's their coco--but boy is it loaded with everything I and the rest of

my family is intolerant to.  I'd look for a substitute--like---say--yogurt,

pudding--it's almost like pudding anyway.

> Elena

>

>

[Guest guest]

Please parents--skip anything with High Fructose Corn Syrup--buy organic suits

if you must----buy the stuff without the HFCS--it is the worst thing --worst

ingredient for your child or for anybody--along with the chemicals like MSG and

artificial coloring and all that-- Think natural--honey, pure cane sugar---maple

syrup--NOT Agave--it's processed the same as HFCS.

All the best,

Elena

From: liralendoncov <liralendoncov@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Increased hyperactivity with (sugar??)

Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010, 9:00 AM

It might be the Horlick's.  I didn't notice that you were mixed the two before. 

Could you just add chocolate syrup instead? You'd still have all that sugar, but

not the extra vitamins.

Just wanted to maybe give you a few more ideas to mix NV into food

you can cream the vanilla into butter and make NV butter.  It's good on toast

and pancakes and won't discolor the syrup like NV does if you mix it into the

syrup.  You can also put a small mound on bread and rub it into the holes in the

bread and make a sandwich or whatever.

You could mix chocolate NV into nutella or blueberry or raspberry jam for a

blueberry chocolate peanut butter sandwich. 

You can make the no bake cookies

(from http://pursuitofresearch.org/serving_suggestions.html )

1 Tbsn peanut butter

some chocolate syrup or honey

1 scoop choco NV

cream it in...it takes a while, but you want the peanut butter/syrup to be dry

and not quite crumbly

I press this into silicone muffin cups and push m & m's, nuts, raisins, chocolate

chips or whatever into the top

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001ET7B9E/ref=s9_k2ah_gw_ir03?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIK\

X0DER & pf_rd_s=center-5 & pf_rd_r=0G1Q53KP3JGK1HB4MT6F & pf_rd_t=101 & pf_rd_p=47093929\

1 & pf_rd_i=507846

I store them in the fridge in a lidded container to keep them fresh and dispense

like other treats.  The forbidden aspect makes them tastier.

I have yet to try it, but I've considered melting chocolate and dipping the

formed peanut butter/choco NV mixture into it to make Nutriiveda peanut butter

cups.

My son tastes the NV in most things and refuses puddings, yogurt or liquids with

the NV in it... so I've had to become very sneaky to get it in him.  and he

never gets a full scoop.  For some weeks I just got despondent and stopped

giving it to him. It is such a fight.  Well, I've started again without telling

anyone.  He's not even getting half a scoop (he's 3 and so should get 1 scoop). 

so last night my husband pointed out that his language is becoming really clear.

Hmmm. I think even a little bit of this can make a little difference.

Liralen

>

> Don't know where you stand on the gluten casein deal--but Horlick's Original

is a BIG NO-NO-for anyone sensitive to gluten/casein and it has a ton of sugar

on top.  great stuff taste-wise--used to love it--got hooked on it in South

Africa--it's their coco--but boy is it loaded with everything I and the rest of

my family is intolerant to.  I'd look for a substitute--like---say--yogurt,

pudding--it's almost like pudding anyway.

> Elena

>

>

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Dr. Linus ing's Forgotten Research

Your body has a very efficient system for protecting itself from

outside

" invaders " such as viruses, bacteria, funguses, etc. The single most

important part of this system is the body's ability to identify and

destroy any invaders that get inside. There is a fact that you may not know

about your body’s immune system:

EATING ANY KIND OF SUGAR HAS THE POTENTIAL TO REDUCE YOUR BODY'S DEFENSES BY 75%

OR MORE FOR FOUR TO SIX HOURS.

This is not new data. In the 1970's Dr. Linus ing (one of the greatest

researchers in the field of microbiology) discovered that vitamin C helps the

body to combat the

common cold. As part of the same research, Dr. ing found that sugar severely

slows down this same process. This is very important to know, as using this

information can prevent illness and dramatically assist healing. Because the

idea that sugar is " bad " for you is so controversial, I am going to give you a

quick, simplified tour through your own immune system so you can see for

yourself what Dr. ing discovered.

1. How Your Body Disposes of Invaders

Bacteria, viruses, etc. are literally " swallowed " by a special type of

cell called a " phagocyte. " This is a cell, such as a white blood cell,

that engulfs and absorbs waste material, harmful microorganisms, or

other foreign bodies in the bloodstream and tissues.

2. Vitamin C

Dr.

ing discovered that vitamin C is needed by white blood cells to

engulf and absorb viruses and bacteria. In fact, a white blood cell has

to contain 50 times the concentration of vitamin C as would normally be

found in the blood around it. That's how Dr. ing came up with the

" take vitamin C for a cold " theory. In order to continue to destroy

bacteria and viruses, the white blood cells have to accumulate vitamin

C all the time to keep up the 50-times concentration. So, vitamin C is

being moved through the cell membranes into the white blood cells all

over your body, all the time. That's why it's important to have plenty

of vitamin C available to your body.

3. Sugar

Glucose (sugar in its simplest form, as found in the blood stream) and

vitamin C have a similar chemical structure. So similar, in fact, that

when a white blood cell tries to pull in more vitamin C from the blood

around it, glucose can get substituted by mistake. If the concentration

of glucose in the blood goes beyond a certain concentration, the white

blood cell's 50-times vitamin C concentration can start to drop because

of the large amount of glucose it's pulling in as a substitute for

vitamin C.

In fact, at a blood sugar level of 120, the white blood cell's ability

to absorb and destroy viruses and bacteria is reduced by 75%. This

blood sugar level would be easily obtained by any normal person eating

some sugar (cake, cookies, candy, soda or even drinking fruit juice).

Further, it can take four to six hours for the vitamin C concentration

in the white blood cells to reach that optimum 50-times concentration

again.

Conclusion:

As you can see, it's not a great idea to eat any kind of sugar if

you're sick, including the much-recommended orange juice (which may

contain vitamin C, but this won't help if the white blood cells can't

get past the sugar to use it!). Further, if you were on a program of

health improvement of any kind, sugar would be your number-1 enemy! No

matter if you're healing from an injury, either. White blood cells and

other phagocytes remove dead tissue as well as other types of waste

associated with injury healing.

Talk to us about how to avoid sugar and some really great sugar

substitutes you can use! And the next time you go to the drug store and

notice that the cough syrup contains mostly sugar, you can wonder as we

do what happened to this valuable research that no one seems to know?

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I made " breakfast cookies " with a modified recipe from one of my clients

(thanks, Noelle!). My kids LOVED them!

1 scoop choc NV

1 TBSP peanut butter

1 TBSP choc syrup

Mix and form into balls or flat cookies. Makes 4 small or 2 large cookies.

I tried them with Fluff, PB, and choc NV and my kids did not like them. so

stick with the 1st recipe. J

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Elena Danaila

Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:33 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Increased hyperactivity with

(sugar??)

Please parents--skip anything with High Fructose Corn Syrup--buy organic

suits if you must----buy the stuff without the HFCS--it is the worst thing

--worst ingredient for your child or for anybody--along with the chemicals

like MSG and artificial coloring and all that-- Think natural--honey, pure

cane sugar---maple syrup--NOT Agave--it's processed the same as HFCS.

All the best,

Elena

From: liralendoncov <liralendoncov@...

<mailto:liralendoncov%40> >

Subject: [ ] Re: Increased hyperactivity with (sugar??)

<mailto: %40>

Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010, 9:00 AM

It might be the Horlick's. I didn't notice that you were mixed the two

before. Could you just add chocolate syrup instead? You'd still have all

that sugar, but not the extra vitamins.

Just wanted to maybe give you a few more ideas to mix NV into food

you can cream the vanilla into butter and make NV butter. It's good on

toast and pancakes and won't discolor the syrup like NV does if you mix it

into the syrup. You can also put a small mound on bread and rub it into the

holes in the bread and make a sandwich or whatever.

You could mix chocolate NV into nutella or blueberry or raspberry jam for a

blueberry chocolate peanut butter sandwich.

You can make the no bake cookies

(from http://pursuitofresearch.org/serving_suggestions.html )

1 Tbsn peanut butter

some chocolate syrup or honey

1 scoop choco NV

cream it in...it takes a while, but you want the peanut butter/syrup to be

dry and not quite crumbly

I press this into silicone muffin cups and push m & m's, nuts, raisins,

chocolate chips or whatever into the top

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001ET7B9E/ref=s9_k2ah_gw_ir03?pf_rd_m=ATVP

DKIKX0DER

<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001ET7B9E/ref=s9_k2ah_gw_ir03?pf_rd_m=ATV

PDKIKX0DER & pf_rd_s=center-5 & pf_rd_r=0G1Q53KP3JGK1HB4MT6F & pf_rd_t=101 & pf_rd_p

=470939291 & pf_rd_i=507846>

& pf_rd_s=center-5 & pf_rd_r=0G1Q53KP3JGK1HB4MT6F & pf_rd_t=101 & pf_rd_p=470939291

& pf_rd_i=507846

I store them in the fridge in a lidded container to keep them fresh and

dispense like other treats. The forbidden aspect makes them tastier.

I have yet to try it, but I've considered melting chocolate and dipping the

formed peanut butter/choco NV mixture into it to make Nutriiveda peanut

butter cups.

My son tastes the NV in most things and refuses puddings, yogurt or liquids

with the NV in it... so I've had to become very sneaky to get it in him.

and he never gets a full scoop. For some weeks I just got despondent and

stopped giving it to him. It is such a fight. Well, I've started again

without telling anyone. He's not even getting half a scoop (he's 3 and so

should get 1 scoop). so last night my husband pointed out that his language

is becoming really clear. Hmmm. I think even a little bit of this can make a

little difference.

Liralen

>

> Don't know where you stand on the gluten casein deal--but Horlick's

Original is a BIG NO-NO-for anyone sensitive to gluten/casein and it has a

ton of sugar on top. great stuff taste-wise--used to love it--got hooked on

it in South Africa--it's their coco--but boy is it loaded with everything I

and the rest of my family is intolerant to. I'd look for a

substitute--like---say--yogurt, pudding--it's almost like pudding anyway.

> Elena

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Helo Everyone,

Thanks for all the replies. They were all very informative and helpful except

's last mail with a lot of numbers, it went straight over my head:-) No

offence, , but you should've been a scientist:-)) I just need to spend some

time reading it slowly. But I get the message that it may be the sugar in the

Horlicks which made super-hyper-active!!!

I plan to do this now - starts his new class this Monday. So, I'll give him

few days to settle and start NV slowly, may be 1/4 a scoop a day. And then

increase to 2 scoops in 2 or 3 weeks. I think I should stay with 2 scoops for

atleast a month before I increase it. As mentions it, may be it was a case

of too much too soon.

I'll try to give it as it is without anything added to it, if not, maybe try out

the wonderful recipes given in all the mails.

If I see any surge in hyperactivity, I'll up his water intake and down his NV

slightly. Then increase NV after the hyperactivity has subsided.

It is amazing that he still has some surges like reciting a lot of rhymes and

songs which he heard ages back and he is also very vocal. Even though I stopped

it atleast 2 weeks back, I think NV is the reason for them.

'll keep you posted of our next adventure soon. Wish us luck!

bibi

> >

> > Don't know where you stand on the gluten casein deal--but Horlick's Original

is a BIG NO-NO-for anyone sensitive to gluten/casein and it has a ton of sugar

on top.  great stuff taste-wise--used to love it--got hooked on it in South

Africa--it's their coco--but boy is it loaded with everything I and the rest of

my family is intolerant to.  I'd look for a substitute--like---say--yogurt,

pudding--it's almost like pudding anyway.

> > Elena

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bibi -Yes just call me Bill Nye's sister ha! Actually math is my weakest

area which is why it was probably so confusing. I'll write this one without the

numbers but just get to the point. On my message I posted the nutritional

contents PDF page from the Horlicks website and from what it said one serving/25

grams had 20.5 grams of sugar which to me means Horlicks = sugar. Also, I was

questioning which scoop you were using because the NV scoop is more than 25

grams -which meant at 4 scoops a day depending upon the scoop you were serving

between 82 and 100 grams of sugar to your child a day through Horlicks alone

(and if you add the 2 grams per scoop of natural sugar in the NV to that mix

that you'd have to add an extra 8 grams to the Horlicks very grand sugar total)

My email was also confusing because I was changing my mind as I was writing the

email to you. I mean when I first read your email I thought it may be too much

too soon...but then I got to that last paragraph about the Horlicks and not

knowing much about that as I've never used it I had to research what is in

Horlicks. The more I read about Horlicks and how much sugar is in it and

thought about it -I believe that Horlicks is probably the more logical answer

which is why there was more than one email about it from me. I also joked how

it's funny that most tend to blame the healthy and not the stuff from the store

-which clearly most people just use without question. I suggest to question

everything -not just the stuff that's healthy -but know more about all the

foods you are serving. With or without NV it's probably a good idea to keep

Horlicks down to one scoop a day tops- just to use as a treat as you would say a

chocolate bar or doughnut (or a few tablespoons of sugar)

I highly suggest you use one of the other suggestions for how to serve -keep in

mind NV does not have to be served as a drink -can be mixed into food. Some

serving suggestions here http://pursuitofresearch.org/serving_suggestions.html

Hope this wasn't confusing -sometimes I talk so much I lose the point

I agree with what I first wrote about starting slow and gradually raising the NV

up for anyone even (but keep in mind you may not see surges until you get to the

right dosage as it's dosage dependent

http://pursuitofresearch.org/faq.html#dosage ) -but bottom line is I'd really

cut the Horlicks either way way down or out if I were you as why give any child

that much sugar, didn't research all the other stuff in Horlicks but for sure

Horlicks has both gluten and casein. Please do let us know what happens when

you cut the Horlicks down and I do hope you can just go back to seeing all the

positive surges without the hyper part Yay!!!

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