Guest guest Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 My son is not diagnosed apraxic, he had only 10 words until at 32 months, I joined this group and put him on fish oil supplements. Three days later, he started learning words at a rate of about 10 a day and is still attempting words. Here's my question. When he was 20 months, he pulled a pot of boiling water onto himself and was severely burned, had three hospital stays, a skin graft, and a staph infection in the blood scare necessitating 12 doses of Vancomiacyn which was so strong it burned through his veins by the fourth dose. He didn't talk after that and only learned letter sounds or words after much work on my part, until I started him on the fish oil. Is it possible that the stress from the burns ate up his omega reserves? or was the fish oil needed before that? I sometimes skip days and it doesn't make a huge difference, he just doesn't learn new words but doesn't forget the ones he's already learned. Is it possible that after this bottle of fish oil, he will be ok, or will he need supplements for the rest of his life? Also, he is trying so hard to say words and I just don't understand them at all. He'll say whole sentences that are completely unintelligible. I'm so happy he's trying to communicate and when he says single words or repeats a word after I model it (which he would NOT do before) it comes out clearly, but in a sentence it's just a jumble? is this normal language learning behavior? And once he started talking, he started chewing on his fingers and hands. He never did this not even as a newborn. and now he'll start talking and stuff his whole hand in his mouth efficiently blocking out his words. and then b/c he has some sensory issues, he freaks out b/c his hand or fingers are wet and just cries. I don't know what to do with this. Also teeth brushing has become a major nightly battle when it never caused problems before. He's not in any therapy b/c the ECI said that his score was fine b/c of his receptive language and that he was fine sensory-wise b/c he could handle the bath even though he avoids all wet, slimy or mashed food. freaks out if his hand is dirty or wet. I'm ok with him not being in therapy, but I need to know if I'm dealing with normal toddler behaviour or is this something else? and I'm struggling to find strategies to continue to help him deal with the world as it is. I'm sorry this is so long, once I started writing all these worries and concerns surfaces. Liralen Liralen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 First of all Liralen I want to say hugs to you for all you and your little one has gone through. Poor baby!!! And you too having to deal with watching your baby suffer so much from the burns, the treatment -wow what a horrible nightmare for all of you to have to endure. It would be hard for anyone no matter what the theory is to say whether your child would have had speech issues with or without the burns and treatment -but one thing I want to stress is that fish oils contain essential fatty acids. What that means is that asking " will he have to be on them for life? " is exactly the same as asking if he will need to drink water the rest of his life...in order to survive -yes. It doesn't mean he will have to take fish oil supplements -but they are essential to the body and our bodies can't produce them so we need to consume them and they are virtually lacking in our diets today. In the old days people ate wild game and fruits and veggies from the garden- and the soils were rich in nutrients and not rich in lead and other toxins. So it's a bit harder today in the fast food Micky D world we live in to keep our bodies healthy -to keep our kids growing up healthy. It is strange that we as parents think it's cute to feed that first french fry but it bothers us that we " have " to give our children fish oil. I mean if french fry oil came in a capsule would anyone put that in any body other than a car body? I don't think so! Also...it sounds to me like you are getting a huge run around with the fact that your child isn't entitled to this because of receptive and that because you are " able to give him a bath " Is that what they really said???? You need to get that in writing because that's just plain ridiculous. There is no one way to define sensory issues. My son had what many consider one of the most severe sensory integration issues because he doesn't feel pain like you and I do (assuming that you don't have sensory issues where you don't feel pain you should) My son LOVED taking baths as a baby -that wasn't where the dysfunction was...but if he ran into a doorway with his eyes closed because he was playing with his brother and holding onto his arm and laughing (and Tanner always used to laugh with his eyes totally closed) he wouldn't notice that he split his eyebrow enough that he needed a number of stitches. In fact we wouldn't have noticed either if Dakota didn't scream! I'd say Tanner's sensory issues (I just brought up the broken finger one before) are WAY more serious than not being able to take a bath and you just let someone who claims they know what they are talking about just because they are called a professional and I'm " only " a mom tell me my son isn't qualified for EI in sensory because I can give him a bath and I'll pull out the Jersey in me and tell them off!!!! (in a professional way of course) OMG I haven't been in this group in a few months and I forgot how terrible it is out there for you newbies!!! OK what you really should do- and as soon as possible. I know I keep saying this on so many messages lately. You need to take your child for a private evaluation with an SLP, neuroMD, and in your case OT as well and you'll need those reports to advocate for the services your child is entitled to. If your child can not communicate or communicate well expressively then that is a verbal disability and if he's delayed enough in just the area of expressive speech he should be entitled to EI for that alone. But it appears that he'll be qualified in 2 areas if you count sensory- and who knows they may discover mild motor deficits in the body and mild hypotonia in the truncal area which is not uncommon either. You want to know exactly what your child's needs are early so that he can be mainstreamed by kindergarten. Hugs again to both you and your son. How is he today with the burns? ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 When I had concerns about my son's speech when he was 18 months old, my son's pediatrician asked me " Does he take you to things he wants and point at them? " When I answered yes, he said " Well he's not autistic then. " as if that was the end of the discussion about any possible investigation into the speech delay or neurological concerns. That was the beginning of the end of my trust in health professionals to do what was best for my son. I discovered very VERY quickly that I needed to be the one to research and push for more investigation. I read the Late Talker book, I went to several speech therapists, I read the Out of Sync Child and read about sensory processing issues. Gradually I figured out, mostly by myself, what the problems were. My son has oral and verbal apraxia, hypotonia, and mild sensory problems. I researched, found out about fish oils, found out about metabolic problems, started taking my son to private speech therapy, switched pediatricians, insisted on a referral to a neurologist, read more books, got in touch with a private Occcupational therapist, joined this online group to see what worked for other parents with apraxic children. It has all helped and my little guy is doing very well today with everything - speech, motor-skills, and sensory stuff. We still have things to work on but wow, what a difference. He even happily let me paint his hand to make a handprint for a Christmas craft this year. Last year that would have been impossible. I don't mean to sound like I think health professionals are bad, but for many reasons many doctors in the mainstream just don't seem to be able to invest the necessary time to properly investigate problems and possible solutions for neurologial issues. That's not the way it should be but the reality is that you are probably going to have to be very proactive in finding ways to get your son help with the things he is having difficulty with. I'm telling you all this to encourage you to push for more help for your son. I don't like to think what would have happened if I had just accepted our first pediatrician's do-nothing approach. My little guy too is learning something like 5-10 words a day (he's almost 32 months) but he's still apraxic and needs help with it. The early years are HUGE in terms of development. It's important to try and get your son all the help you can to make the most of these early years. From what you've described I think you have a sense that what you're seeing is not " normal toddler development " . We all have a sense and instinct as to what seems wrong. Trust your gut when you think " hmm...that's just not normal " . ~Jen, mom to Tiernan 2 1/2 > > First of all Liralen I want to say hugs to you for all you and your little one has gone through. Poor baby!!! And you too having to deal with watching your baby suffer so much from the burns, the treatment -wow what a horrible nightmare for all of you to have to endure. > > It would be hard for anyone no matter what the theory is to say whether your child would have had speech issues with or without the burns and treatment -but one thing I want to stress is that fish oils contain essential fatty acids. What that means is that asking " will he have to be on them for life? " is exactly the same as asking if he will need to drink water the rest of his life...in order to survive -yes. It doesn't mean he will have to take fish oil supplements -but they are essential to the body and our bodies can't produce them so we need to consume them and they are virtually lacking in our diets today. In the old days people ate wild game and fruits and veggies from the garden- and the soils were rich in nutrients and not rich in lead and other toxins. So it's a bit harder today in the fast food Micky D world we live in to keep our bodies healthy -to keep our kids growing up healthy. It is strange that we as parents think it's cute to feed that first french fry but it bothers us that we " have " to give our children fish oil. I mean if french fry oil came in a capsule would anyone put that in any body other than a car body? I don't think so! > > Also...it sounds to me like you are getting a huge run around with the fact that your child isn't entitled to this because of receptive and that because you are " able to give him a bath " Is that what they really said???? You need to get that in writing because that's just plain ridiculous. There is no one way to define sensory issues. My son had what many consider one of the most severe sensory integration issues because he doesn't feel pain like you and I do (assuming that you don't have sensory issues where you don't feel pain you should) > > My son LOVED taking baths as a baby -that wasn't where the dysfunction was...but if he ran into a doorway with his eyes closed because he was playing with his brother and holding onto his arm and laughing (and Tanner always used to laugh with his eyes totally closed) he wouldn't notice that he split his eyebrow enough that he needed a number of stitches. In fact we wouldn't have noticed either if Dakota didn't scream! I'd say Tanner's sensory issues (I just brought up the broken finger one before) are WAY more serious than not being able to take a bath and you just let someone who claims they know what they are talking about just because they are called a professional and I'm " only " a mom tell me my son isn't qualified for EI in sensory because I can give him a bath and I'll pull out the Jersey in me and tell them off!!!! (in a professional way of course) > OMG I haven't been in this group in a few months and I forgot how terrible it is out there for you newbies!!! OK what you really should do- and as soon as possible. I know I keep saying this on so many messages lately. You need to take your child for a private evaluation with an SLP, neuroMD, and in your case OT as well and you'll need those reports to advocate for the services your child is entitled to. If your child can not communicate or communicate well expressively then that is a verbal disability and if he's delayed enough in just the area of expressive speech he should be entitled to EI for that alone. But it appears that he'll be qualified in 2 areas if you count sensory- and who knows they may discover mild motor deficits in the body and mild hypotonia in the truncal area which is not uncommon either. You want to know exactly what your child's needs are early so that he can be mainstreamed by kindergarten. > > Hugs again to both you and your son. How is he today with the burns? > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 There is no way I can pay to have him evaluated by specialists. We have no insurance and are just above the cut off for medicaid. I've really tried hard to figure out strategies myself to help him although sometimes I feel like I am reinventing the wheel. Funny, you should mention pain, he does feel pain, but not as horribly as I do and he doesn't cry tears ever. When he's in severe pain he grinds his teeth instead. The NP I take him to for dr. stuff thinks he should be in therapy for speech for sure. He turns three in March and she says if his pronunciation doesn't improve by then to re-eval with the school. I told her about the fish oil and she was so surprised how much he was talking. Last visit she had tried to get him to repeat words and he would sign them or look away, this visit he was pointing out things, talking and relating to her more. She pointed out that he was calmer and less frantic than the last visit. I always thought that nervous energy was b/c of the burns, but maybe it was b/c the brain had trouble processing in a hospital environment. The sensory issues are mostly food related, he just eats more grains than I would like. He can exist without to much freaking out, although he's a very clean little boy. Thank you for asking about the burns, his leg, face, forehead and back healed with minimal scarring. The shoulder has a skin graft and it took ok, but he was allergic to silicone which diminishes the appearance of scars so it is scarred. The plastic surgeon said boys wear their scars with pride, so although I don't fully understand it, I expect he will be proud of it as a 14 year old. As for school, he will be going to a very small private Christian school where my mom teaches the Jr. high and from which I graduated. He as met the K teacher and visits the classroom a few times each year. The teachers all know me from k-12th grade (my jr. high bf's mom) and they all will work with us, so I am not worried about his schooling at all. Liralen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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