Re: Constipation, excessive laughing - side effects?

July 22, 2010

I have never heard of fish oils causing excessive and inappropriate laughing but

that falls under I'd say perhaps the " psychotic behavior " that some report from

mega vitamin e. Did the laughing start before or after you gave him the 500 IU

of vitamin e? How long after? Was it just the one capsule or did you give

more than once?

From what I have seen the side effects on mega vitamin e can be pretty quick and

they do not go away quickly. You don't mention your child's age but if 4 to 8

years old you gave him almost double over upper tolerable levels (!!) and if 2

or 3 years old you gave him almost 3 times over upper tolerable levels(!!!)

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamine.asp#h7 It took my son 7 months to get

anywhere back to normal after just 8 or 9 days on pharma omega speak and if you

read the reports many children had seizures in around 2 days -so pretty quick.

(see some here http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=115029735601 & topic=7363 )

I'm not telling you to scare you -but to try to protect you from what my family

had to go through. I'd lower him back on the fish oils to where he was before.

From what happened to my son and others it's why I'm now a huge fan of water

soluble nutrients when possible.

Please keep an eye on him...and please check out nutriiveda with his doctor

-share ALL the info including what I have in this email about hypervitaminosis e

and the links and what you gave him and get him on nutriiveda. These were the

areas my son surged in http://pursuitofresearch.org/pursuit.html It was the

one thing that not only brought my son back to where he was prior -but helped

him surge ahead -I am forever thankful to that product and the medical doctors

behind it as it gave my son his life back and beyond. I have theories as to why

here and don't include what I think it did to help my son in regards to what I

consider my accidental poisoning him with that (what I consider) mega vitamin e

and k product speak http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html because not all

know but I think this helped his body to heal. I can't be any more pleading- I

saw what too much vitamin e can do and please don't underestimate it or how

quickly. I would throw them away if you can't return them!!!

About the constipation- just the opposite in that adding extra oil typically

causes loose stools. But again in this group there are in the archives here

numerous unusual and not documented side effects when we gave our children

pharmaomega speak which had based on NIH guidelines excessively high mega

dosages of fat soluble vitamin e.

From our apraxia.org page

" It is very concerning that this is the list of side effects listed on the

website: " elevated heart beat, fever, possible seizures, headaches, emotional

outbursts and regressions in speech and behaviors. "

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=115029735601 & topic=7363

I do have suggestions for constipation if that continues -let me know if you

want me to share.

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July 23, 2010

IMPORTANT -PLEASE READ!!!!

I am SO sorry that I missed this the first time and don't know what brought me

back to your email again to reread...perhaps what you wrote was so out of

reality for most that I just assumed I read you had your child on ProEFA and

ProEPA the 2 to 1 ratio as I speak of here:

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=115029735601 & topic=7401

ProEFA and Omega 369 are the exact same formula -the only difference is where

it's sold, through health care professionals or through stores (both can be

found online and the professional line is cheaper)

From the start I always loved the capsules more and your message is a clear

reason why newbie parents should stick to capsules- amongst the many other

reasons even seasoned parents should use the capsules unless they are using

higher dosages for multiple children.

I did not catch the first time that for the past month you were giving your

child 2 teaspoons of ProEFA (again the 2 brands are the exact same) Each 1/2

teaspoon is the same as around 2 capsules. So you started your child (not sure

of the age) on what would be around 8 capsules of ProEFA a day...and increased

it up another teaspoon -so another 4 capsules one month later. So 4 weeks after

starting fish oil you now have your child on what would be the same as around 12

capsules. Goodness knows from this group over the years I have had parents

stressing over when they should increase their child on fish oils from ONE

capsule to TWO...and you started at around 8 capsules and went to around 12 in

far less time than most took to increase up to 2 capsules.

You are VERY fortunate in that the liquid version contains less vitamin e. I

still believe the issues you are seeing are probably due to the vitamin e

because as high as the dosage of fish oil you are using I've never heard of any

side effects (but in my opinion and probably the opinion of the world at large

you are way overdoing it. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing!

Too much water you'll drown!!) But the 500 IU of vitamin e that you gave him on

Sunday was probably the straw because with the liquid which only contains 30 IU

of vitamin e per teaspoon vs if you were using capsules which each contain 15 IU

so you would have 60 IU per the equivalent of one teaspoon with 4 capsules of

ProEFA.

I do NOT want parents to be nervous about normal amounts of vitamin e...the only

time you have to worry in my opinion is when you go above upper tolerable

levels, start going two to three times over upper tolerable levels as what is

explained here. (again please check this chart

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamine.asp#h7 )

So what I would do if I were you would be to decrease down to ONE teaspoon at

most of the fish oil and if you want to try the right formula squeeze in 2

capsules of ProEPA. You will be using far less fish oil (no extra vitamin e)

and you tell me if you don't notice even further surges. Typically I would tell

people to start with a 1/2 teaspoon of ProEPA to 1 capsule of ProEPA...and you

can do that too. For you due to possible hypervitaminosis e you probably do

want to stick with the liquid ProEFA for at least now...but you may want to

consider going to the capsules after a few months.

For pretty much everyone else this is why I say to use the capsules. Also

outside of the product speak with mega amounts of vitamin e...I have never heard

of side effects for fish oils even in mega dosages outside of stomach upset,

loose stools etc. Again the constipation doesn't make sense to me but for sure

if I were you- please again share all of what you just did including now this

new information of the 8 capsules a day of fish oils that you just increased to

12 capsules 4 weeks later and then added on Sunday 500 IU of vitamin e. I again

would also share nutriiveda with him and please try to get your child on that

ASAP because again in my opinion it was healing to whatever damage the mega

vitamin e did to my son. Again I think in my son's case it affected his

metabolic system...but he now in many ways above normal. I believe this product

will help your child's body heal. Theories why

http://pursuitofresearch.org/science.html Again try to supplement through

whole foods when possible and try to stick to water soluble- nutriiveda is both.

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July 24, 2010

Hi,

Quick update - the constipation resolved on its own, and it turns out that the

laughing was due to extra-large helpings of strawberries and grapes his

babysitter gave him(he's allergic to phenols and these are high phenol foods

which he should have been eating in small quantities, if at all; the laughing is

typical of a phenolic reaction.) All that said, the fish oil doses he's been

getting are probably too high and I'll take them down. Thanks for all your

input!

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