therapy question

[Guest guest]

Been there done that....we were doing therapy around 3 times per week. My

son and I were both getting burned out. One of the therapies was $65 an hour

(no insurance accepted). Sessions were at 4:30 p.m. and my son was melting

down every week. She was a wonderful therapist, we went to her for four

years, but I think once he started school all day he came home exhausted and

" done " ...it just wasn't worth the money to sit and watch him have a meltdown.

This past year we didn't do any therapies outside of school (except social

group

on Saturday mornings). We are going to be starting 1:1 swim lessons once

per week in October. I'm hoping that will go well. I think you just have to

use your judgement and go by the signs your child is showing. If they are

exhausted, melting down and/or resisting therapy...it might be time to take a

break. That would be a parent being very respectful of their child, not at

all neglectful. Pam

[Guest guest]

Yes Yes Yes!!!!!!!

I think my NT daughter gets the most tired of all of us. She is only three and

is dragged along to most therap sessions. She is a very vibrant extrovert who

finds it difficult being told to Shhhh all the time because her brother is

learning something new. The poor thing even got to the point where she was

crying because she wanted her own specialists, apparently Isaac's spend to much

time with Isaac and not enough with her.

Beck

( ) Therapy question

Do you ever get therapy burnout? Where the kids are sick of going and

you're sick of taking them and you start to resent the fact that even

just the copays are taking resources that you could spend on fun

things for them like art classes or gymnastics or soccer? At what

point is it okay to take a break and just let them be kids for a while

without being neglectful?

[Guest guest]

--- trulie888 <aslan888@...> wrote:

> Do you ever get therapy burnout?

Yep. Where we were going, it was policy that if

was seen by the psych for meds, he had to be seen by

the therapist once a month. It would drive me nuts

that I didn't have to see the psych but every 2-3

months, but the therapist every month. It really

became a drag getting him out of school, and running

to be there on time and running back home to fix

dinner, etc. Luckily, our psych decided that we didn't

need to be seen anymore and that our family doctor

could prescribe the meds. So that is what we are doing

now anyhow. And I hope I don't have to do therapy

again. So far, for us, it's been a waste of time and

money.

Melinda

[Guest guest]

Been there, done that, and taken small breaks too.

Fortunately I have what I call 'the best' speech therapist. She makes

things enjoyable, and the kids love going and no burn out (yet!!)

With everything, sometimes we just need a small break.

*smies*

>

> Do you ever get therapy burnout? Where the kids are sick of going

and

> you're sick of taking them and you start to resent the fact that even

> just the copays are taking resources that you could spend on fun

> things for them like art classes or gymnastics or soccer? At what

> point is it okay to take a break and just let them be kids for a

while

> without being neglectful?

>

[Guest guest]

Good question, I don't think it does but I could be wrong. The reason I am

saying this is because I was afraid when I read my son the book " Mr. Worry "

that he would start doing what that little boy does, and my son hasn't. Not

to say he won't. This reminds me though, my 9 year old sons fear is storms

and when he first started learning about all this he said, " maybe I can make

another fear like fear of sharks that won't affect me all the time like my

fear " Interesting thought!

As for whether to go ahead and go to therapy, that is hard except I have

learned that there is a lot more going on in my sons head then he lets us

know. It might be good to go ahead and start dealing with it before another

flair up occurs if it does. We are in the same place with an appointment

with a psychiatrist, my son had bad reactions to meds, took him off all meds

and pediatrician referred us. Now all of a sudden my son is doing better

than ever and I keep thinking maybe need to leave this alone. But I have

learned that it can come and go and hate to not be prepared if it comes

back.

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of huyones@...

Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 6:47 PM

Subject: Therapy Question

I have not taken my son to see any doctors yet. We were looking into one

while I changed his diet and schedule and we talked through his fears a lot.

During that time his symptoms have diminished a lot. There are still a few

here and there, but nothing at all like before. I'm wondering if I should

wait and see if it comes back to get him diagnosed? Or go and say this is

what was happening but stopped 2 weeks ago?

My question is just out of curiosity really. I am wondering if I do ever

take him to therapy if the dr. is going to ask him questions that are just

going to give him ideas? If they say do you ever do this or do you fear

that, won't that put ideas in his head? I'm assuming these people are

professionals and that is not how it works? I really don't know.

- Julee

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/24/2006 7:12:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

huyones@... writes:

I have not taken my son to see any doctors yet. We were looking into one

while I changed his diet and schedule and we talked through his fears a lot.

During that time his symptoms have diminished a lot...................I am

wondering if I do ever take him to therapy if the dr. is going to ask him

questions that are just

going to give him ideas?

Julee

I would go ahead & get him into a doctor. Sometimes it's difficult to get

in, so you don't want to wait for OCD to rear it's ugly head in full force

before you get him in somewhere. I'm sure you've read on the board how kids

with wax & wane - it does happen. Besides, if you haven't had a professional

diagnosis yet, it would be worth it to go in & tell them what happened after

changing his diet - maybe you're dealing with something else as well.

I've asked one of the doctors about picking up on fears & rituals through

suggestion, they said it doesn't happen. However, logically thinking I have to

wonder why it wouldn't??? It just seems like something that could easily

happen. But then..... I'm not a professional... I'm only a paranoid mom. HA.

LT

[Guest guest]

they know what they are doing. they wont ask questions like that. they will

want to know from him or you what he does do. if there is ever anything you

dont want talked about in front of him, you can talk to the therapist w/o you ds

in the room, too.

i would get an appt for him, as it might be a wait. hopefully things keep going

well, but it is good to have an appt, just in case.

sharon

Therapy Question

I have not taken my son to see any doctors yet. We were looking into one

while I changed his diet and schedule and we talked through his fears a lot.

During that time his symptoms have diminished a lot. There are still a few

here and there, but nothing at all like before. I'm wondering if I should

wait and see if it comes back to get him diagnosed? Or go and say this is

what was happening but stopped 2 weeks ago?

My question is just out of curiosity really. I am wondering if I do ever

take him to therapy if the dr. is going to ask him questions that are just

going to give him ideas? If they say do you ever do this or do you fear

that, won't that put ideas in his head? I'm assuming these people are

professionals and that is not how it works? I really don't know.

- Julee

[Guest guest]

Julee,

I say this is a good time to start therapy. You're able to talk to

him about fears, and that's good. Open communication is a plus. When

I told our then 10-y/o daughter that we were going to see a

therapist to help her, and thereby help our family, she magically

improved. The reaassurances and perfection compulsions stopped. She

was trying very very hard to not be " mentally messed up " as she puts

it. She was afraid something was " wrong " with her. I find that we

capitalized on her ambivalence and confusion. This was a time where

she was floating in mid-air not knowing what to do... just lost. It

was clear to me that there was a window to reach her during this

time. The earlier the intervention, the better. OCD WILL get worse

with no Exposure and Response Prevention (the only therapy proven to

work for OCD), whether it is done on your own or with a therapist.

With a child, I cannot say how supportive and helpful going to

therapy has been just with parenting skills alone. And we veteran

and semi-veteran parents of children with mental issues know that

classic parenting techniques do not always work. Sometimes, the

therapist would end up saying the same type of things I would try to

say at home. It held more weight with her coming from a different

person. Tell your therapist everything you can, you may want to make

a list before you go. At the time of diagnosis, I had a laundry list

of things I just knew were not normal. I was confused and lost

myself (and exhausted).

~

, <huyones@...> wrote:

>

> I have not taken my son to see any doctors yet. We were looking

into one

> while I changed his diet and schedule and we talked through his

fears a lot.

> During that time his symptoms have diminished a lot. There are

still a few

> here and there, but nothing at all like before. I'm wondering if I

should

> wait and see if it comes back to get him diagnosed? Or go and say

this is

> what was happening but stopped 2 weeks ago?

>

>

>

> My question is just out of curiosity really. I am wondering if I

do ever

> take him to therapy if the dr. is going to ask him questions that

are just

> going to give him ideas? If they say do you ever do this or do

you fear

> that, won't that put ideas in his head? I'm assuming these people

are

> professionals and that is not how it works? I really don't know.

>

>

>

> - Julee

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Julee,

Talk to the psychologist first - explain your feelings. They are very

respectful. I also told my psychologist I did not want her asking my son about

the thoughts he was having last year. I said they were done and why risk them

coming back by asking about them. We were moving forward - not back. She

totally agreed. I have learned it is extremely important to keep communication

open with the counselor. My son was in counseling from 1-3 grade and at the

end, his psychologist said, now , do you remember why you started coming

here (bad thoughts) - do you remember the thoughts you were having? I wanted to

shoot her!!! He did not remember and it did not cause any more bad thoughts but

still ... how stupid!!! BUT ... I believe if I had better communication with

her, that would not have happened. I am now very adamant with his doctors and

they respond well. I feel we are definitely on the same page.

It is the psychiatrist who ask lots of probing questions trying to get a

proper diagnosis, but even those questions can be softened and alot can be

avoided by talking to them beforehand, if you ever need to go that route.

jtlt@... wrote:

In a message dated 10/24/2006 7:12:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

huyones@... writes:

I have not taken my son to see any doctors yet. We were looking into one

while I changed his diet and schedule and we talked through his fears a lot.

During that time his symptoms have diminished a lot...................I am

wondering if I do ever take him to therapy if the dr. is going to ask him

questions that are just

going to give him ideas?

Julee

I would go ahead & get him into a doctor. Sometimes it's difficult to get

in, so you don't want to wait for OCD to rear it's ugly head in full force

before you get him in somewhere. I'm sure you've read on the board how kids

with wax & wane - it does happen. Besides, if you haven't had a professional

diagnosis yet, it would be worth it to go in & tell them what happened after

changing his diet - maybe you're dealing with something else as well.

I've asked one of the doctors about picking up on fears & rituals through

suggestion, they said it doesn't happen. However, logically thinking I have to

wonder why it wouldn't??? It just seems like something that could easily

happen. But then..... I'm not a professional... I'm only a paranoid mom. HA.

LT

[Guest guest]

Hi Julee,

Hope I'm understanding your question.

Generally, an OCDer won't get " new " ideas/behaviors due to

questions. What I mean is that if the doctor was to ask him

something like does he fear germs or does he wash excessively, and

he hasn't been doing these things then those questions won't cause

him to suddenly develop them with his OCD.

Hearing/reading about other OC behaviors shouldn't prompt new ones.

HOWEVER, if being asked questions that *do* pertain to some trigger

of a current OC problem, then he'll probably get anxious or upset.

Just my thoughts.

single mom, 3 sons

, 17, with OCD, dysgraphia and Aspergers

> My question is just out of curiosity really. I am wondering if I

do ever

> take him to therapy if the dr. is going to ask him questions that

are just

> going to give him ideas? If they say do you ever do this or do

[Guest guest]

I've noticed that when we have talked about ocd and how it is different for

different kids, he will try out the new ocd thing they have. Maybe to see if he

doesn't have it. Nothing stuck. He started counting things, like steps when he

heard about that. Then he washed his hands three times, got bored. Again,

nothing stuck. I think he was maybe proving to himself that he doesn't have

those symptoms. At first I was afraid when he would try them out, and got angry

with him for pretending about it. But, then I realized what he was doing. I

told him some kids with ocd are very organized, neat and tidy, but he didn't

even try that one, darn it, LOL. Last night, there was a segment on MSNBC about

hoarding and ocd and they ahd a girl with ocd and hoarding. I thought it might

be interesting for him to see another kid with ocd and I wanted to watch it a

bit. It kind of freaked him out a little, so I changed it. We talked it over and

he was fine. She was hoarding all kinds of things. He said he didn't like to

throw his toys away, but didn't have a problem with throwing away junk. He did

have a quick bad thought about kissing her, that seems to be the one that is

sticking right now. But, he is mostly symptom free. At least he isn't telling us

about them anymore. He only has bad thought type, no rituals or compulsions yet.

I'm not sure you can pick up a new compulsion.

J

Re: Therapy Question

Hi Julee,

Hope I'm understanding your question.

Generally, an OCDer won't get " new " ideas/behaviors due to

questions. What I mean is that if the doctor was to ask him

something like does he fear germs or does he wash excessively, and

he hasn't been doing these things then those questions won't cause

him to suddenly develop them with his OCD.

Hearing/reading about other OC behaviors shouldn't prompt new ones.

HOWEVER, if being asked questions that *do* pertain to some trigger

of a current OC problem, then he'll probably get anxious or upset.

Just my thoughts.

single mom, 3 sons

, 17, with OCD, dysgraphia and Aspergers

> My question is just out of curiosity really. I am wondering if I

do ever

> take him to therapy if the dr. is going to ask him questions that

are just

> going to give him ideas? If they say do you ever do this or do

[Guest guest]

Yes, my son hasn't caught on to the organized tidy part either! He is

absolutely the biggest slob of all. However, it was interesting to find out

that he does line up his pencils in his desk just right. Hmmm.

Adele

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:20 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Therapy Question

I've noticed that when we have talked about ocd and how it is different for

different kids, he will try out the new ocd thing they have. Maybe to see if

he doesn't have it. Nothing stuck. He started counting things, like steps

when he heard about that. Then he washed his hands three times, got bored.

Again, nothing stuck. I think he was maybe proving to himself that he

doesn't have those symptoms. At first I was afraid when he would try them

out, and got angry with him for pretending about it. But, then I realized

what he was doing. I told him some kids with ocd are very organized, neat

and tidy, but he didn't even try that one, darn it, LOL. Last night, there

was a segment on MSNBC about hoarding and ocd and they ahd a girl with ocd

and hoarding. I thought it might be interesting for him to see another kid

with ocd and I wanted to watch it a bit. It kind of freaked him out a

little, so I changed it. We talked it over and he was fine. She was hoarding

all kinds of t J

Re: Therapy Question

Hi Julee,

Hope I'm understanding your question.

Generally, an OCDer won't get " new " ideas/behaviors due to

questions. What I mean is that if the doctor was to ask him

something like does he fear germs or does he wash excessively, and

he hasn't been doing these things then those questions won't cause

him to suddenly develop them with his OCD.

Hearing/reading about other OC behaviors shouldn't prompt new ones.

HOWEVER, if being asked questions that *do* pertain to some trigger

of a current OC problem, then he'll probably get anxious or upset.

Just my thoughts.

single mom, 3 sons

, 17, with OCD, dysgraphia and Aspergers

> My question is just out of curiosity really. I am wondering if I

do ever

> take him to therapy if the dr. is going to ask him questions that

are just

> going to give him ideas? If they say do you ever do this or do

[Guest guest]

I told him some kids with ocd are very

organized, neat and tidy, but he didn't even try that one, darn it,

LOL.

LOL, I think we might all try talking about that one if it would

stick!

I have worried at times that I might spark something new with

but he's been fine hearing/reading about others' OCD. If he

runs across anything similar or something, it can trigger bad

thoughts. Like when he reads about scrupulosity, since that's what

he is suffering from now.

When this began, years ago, I used to count aloud to him to try to

help him get through some things faster. And I'd think, " yeah, this

is JUST what I should be doing with an OCDer, counting! " but it

never started him to counting. I went thru a counting " phase " as a

teen for a short OCD period.

>

> I've noticed that when we have talked about ocd and how it is

different for different kids, he will try out the new ocd thing they

have. Maybe to see if he doesn't have it. Nothing stuck. He started

counting things, like steps when he heard about that. Then he washed

his hands three times, got bored. Again, nothing stuck. I think he

was maybe proving to himself that he doesn't have those symptoms.

At first I was afraid when he would try them out, and got angry with

him for pretending about it. But, then I realized what he was

doing.

[Guest guest]

It can, though, and does happen with my 5 yo dd. If she heard (from anyone)

something about germs or safety, she almost certainly would start with that

behavior. I need to be very careful about the books she reads, especially ones

dealing with anxiety, fears, etc. If a new idea is in there, she will start

with that one. BUT you can talk to her about any of her fears, worries, OC

problems, and it doesnt make her anxious.

Sharon

Re: Therapy Question

Hi Julee,

Hope I'm understanding your question.

Generally, an OCDer won't get " new " ideas/behaviors due to

questions. What I mean is that if the doctor was to ask him

something like does he fear germs or does he wash excessively, and

he hasn't been doing these things then those questions won't cause

him to suddenly develop them with his OCD.

Hearing/reading about other OC behaviors shouldn't prompt new ones.

HOWEVER, if being asked questions that *do* pertain to some trigger

of a current OC problem, then he'll probably get anxious or upset.

Just my thoughts.

single mom, 3 sons

, 17, with OCD, dysgraphia and Aspergers

> My question is just out of curiosity really. I am wondering if I

do ever

> take him to therapy if the dr. is going to ask him questions that

are just

> going to give him ideas? If they say do you ever do this or do

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon,

I guess that does happen and is probably more likely to with young

children. I mean at that age we're teaching them hygiene and all

the other things to do/not do in life, wash hands before eating,

look both ways before crossing, you can watch this/not this (TV,

movie...).... Would be easy to get an already anxious child

worrying about something else.

>

> It can, though, and does happen with my 5 yo dd. If she heard

(from anyone) something about germs or safety, she almost certainly

would start with that behavior. I need to be very careful about the

books she reads, especially ones dealing with anxiety, fears, etc.

If a new idea is in there, she will start with that one. BUT you

can talk to her about any of her fears, worries, OC problems, and it

doesnt make her anxious.

[Guest guest]

Yes, I think you are right about that.

Her latest is about one of my daycare boys. He is 14 mos and has some food

allergies. Before I give him anything, she always asks if there is eggs or nuts

in it. UGH! She is being the food police with me and *I* am the one taking

care of him! His allergies are not severe, just itchy rash, so it isnt like she

has seen some life threatening reaction.

Sharon

Re: Therapy Question

Hi Sharon,

I guess that does happen and is probably more likely to with young

children. I mean at that age we're teaching them hygiene and all

the other things to do/not do in life, wash hands before eating,

look both ways before crossing, you can watch this/not this (TV,

movie...).... Would be easy to get an already anxious child

worrying about something else.

>

> It can, though, and does happen with my 5 yo dd. If she heard

(from anyone) something about germs or safety, she almost certainly

would start with that behavior. I need to be very careful about the

books she reads, especially ones dealing with anxiety, fears, etc.

If a new idea is in there, she will start with that one. BUT you

can talk to her about any of her fears, worries, OC problems, and it

doesnt make her anxious.

[Guest guest]

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From: jmd399@... [mailto:jmd399@...]

Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:26 PM

jeannne buesser

Subject: Re: fyi

Hi Jeanne,

My son recently got declassified from having Autism and now only has the

apraxia diagnosis. I wanted to see if you, or other people could suggest

therapies that are most helpful for this. Location is not an issue and would

love any suggestions. Currently he is in 18hrs of ABA and 4 hrs or speech

and 3 mornings of preschool. He is 2.5 years old.I think maybe this is

overkill with the therapies.

Thanks so much,

Jen

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

[Guest guest]

I thought I read that ABA therapy is bad for apraxia. Does autism go away?

What does declassified of autism mean? Kate

>

> _____

>

> From: jmd399@... [mailto:jmd399@...]

> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:26 PM

> jeannne buesser

> Subject: Re: fyi

>

>

>

> Hi Jeanne,

>

> My son recently got declassified from having Autism and now only has the

> apraxia diagnosis. I wanted to see if you, or other people could suggest

> therapies that are most helpful for this. Location is not an issue and would

> love any suggestions. Currently he is in 18hrs of ABA and 4 hrs or speech

> and 3 mornings of preschool. He is 2.5 years old.I think maybe this is

> overkill with the therapies.

>

> Thanks so much,

>

> Jen

>

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

>

>

>

>

>