RE: Question for the group?

[Guest guest]

There is a Rodeo Clown on the circuit His name is Charlie he is a very great

man. If you veer get a chance to meet him you are in for a wonderful time

trust me.Bud

[Guest guest]

We also saw this Kemper commercial and were impressed with it. The rodeo

rider wrote off the LP clown as useless and then the LP ends up saving the

rider's life. It was all very well done!

Kemper also has another commercial in this series where a young man in a

wheelchair shows up at basketball practice, thinking that he'll just watch.

The coach tells the other guys to get with it, the guys get into

wheelchairs, and they _all_ play basketball together. Kudos to their ad men!!

Vita

At 10:42 PM 6/6/01 -0700, Tille wrote:

>Hello Gang,

>

> I was wondering if anyone else besides myself saw this commercial on

TV the other night. It was for Kemper Insurance, and it was good. Rodeo

theme, average size bullrider comes out into the arena and observes the

rodeo clowns, notices that the one and only clown at the rodeo is an achon,

he states what is this, circus rejects, and the clown provides a tasteful

hand jester, it was prime time. Well the bullrider's thrown off, the rodeo

clown does a great job hustling the bull off the rider and out of the

arena, end shot is the bullrider thanking the clown. It was a commercial

that shows we can do what others believe we can not. I have to hand it to

Kemper Insurance to come up with an innovative commercial.

>

>Rob

>

Vita Gagne

rgagne@...

[Guest guest]

I haven't seen the commercial and I'm sure the

insurance companies intentions were well, but how many

people that saw that commercial really thought about

the idea that LPs can do anything? Hopefully many

more than I think.

Wants to be optimistic about the general public, but

sees dumber and dumber shows on tv pandering to the

general populations IQ level.

--- Tille <ntille@...> wrote:

> Hello Gang,

>

> I was wondering if anyone else besides myself

> saw this commercial on TV the other night. It was

> for Kemper Insurance, and it was good. Rodeo theme,

> average size bullrider comes out into the arena and

> observes the rodeo clowns, notices that the one and

> only clown at the rodeo is an achon, he states what

> is this, circus rejects, and the clown provides a

> tasteful hand jester, it was prime time. Well the

> bullrider's thrown off, the rodeo clown does a great

> job hustling the bull off the rider and out of the

> arena, end shot is the bullrider thanking the clown.

> It was a commercial that shows we can do what others

> believe we can not. I have to hand it to Kemper

> Insurance to come up with an innovative commercial.

>

> Rob

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

my daughter does too!!! genetics says they are ALLERGIC SHINERS.....we had her

tested for allergies thru the allergy dr and everything came back

NORMAL....however, we did the IgG testing, etc thru a DAN dr and she had some

foods to come back....we eliminated those foods but she STILL gets the

circles.....they are darker when she is SICK.....she has oral apraxia and

swallowing dysfunction.... kim

From: jamie199866@...

Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 06:08:26 -0800

Subject: [ ] Question for the group?

Hi,

I have a question for the group. We went to our annual PIH ( Partners In Health)

annual Christmas party yesterday with my son. This an organization for children

with Chronic health conditions in my state. When we there I noticed that a lot

of the children have dark purple circles under their eyes as does my son.

Especially the ones with neurological disorders like my son.

For my own personal curiosity.

Does any of your children have these or something similar dark purplish to light

purplish, pinkish circles under their eyes?

No matter what day it is or how much sleep my son gets. He always has these

under his eyes to varying degrees. If sick very noticeable and dark and he gets

extremely pale colored. He has severe oral and verbal Dyspraxia. By the way this

not allergy related or medical that I know of.

I am wondering if this a sign or symptom or some relation to a neurological

disorder or is it relation to their medicines. This for my own curiosity by the

way. Just wondering since I noticed this in the other children also.

Thank you in advance for your responses.

Jeane and

NH

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeane and

Yes, my son who's recently dx has dark circles under his eyes too despite

sufficient sleep. I did some reading which says it could be due to minerals/vit

deficiency. I'm not too sure if this is true, hence i'm going to do some test to

see if indeed minerals/vits are lacking from his body. Will be interested to

hear fr other parents.

Jan

________________________________

From: Jeanne <jamie199866@...>

Sent: Sun, December 6, 2009 10:08:26 PM

Subject: [ ] Question for the group?

 

Hi,

 

I have a question for the group. We went to our annual PIH ( Partners In Health)

annual Christmas party yesterday with my son. This an organization for children

with Chronic health conditions in my state. When we there I noticed that a lot

of the children have  dark purple circles under their eyes as does my son.

Especially the ones with neurological disorders like my son.

 

For my own personal curiosity.

 

Does any of your children have these or something similar dark purplish to light

purplish, pinkish circles under their eyes?

 

No matter what day it is or how much sleep my son gets. He always has these

under his eyes to varying degrees. If sick very noticeable and dark and he gets

extremely pale colored. He has severe oral and verbal Dyspraxia. By the way this

not allergy related or medical that I know of.

 

 I am wondering if this a sign or symptom or some relation to a neurological

disorder or is it relation to their medicines. This for my own curiosity by the

way. Just wondering since I noticed this in the other children also.

 

Thank you in advance for your responses.

 

Jeane and

NH

 

[Guest guest]

My 4 1/2 yr old does and his pediatrician always says it is allergy related, but

she is referring more to seasonal allergies. While seasonal allergies may

contribute to the dark circles under my son's eyes, I believe it could be a

dairy or wheat allergy. It is not so severe that we have actually done anything

about it, though we do limit milk. I may have his neurologist do some

investigating into it more. My son has severe Apraxia of speech.

Hope you get some goid answers!

Traci

[Guest guest]

Our son has those dark circles and we are told its from a food allergy or

intolerance. We first thought it was from a lack of REM sleep but we are

starting to believe diet pop, apples, and potatoes are the problem.

Dave

Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. Cellular

[ ] Question for the group?

Hi,

 

I have a question for the group. We went to our annual PIH ( Partners In Health)

annual Christmas party yesterday with my son. This an organization for children

with Chronic health conditions in my state. When we there I noticed that a lot

of the children have  dark purple circles under their eyes as does my son.

Especially the ones with neurological disorders like my son.

 

For my own personal curiosity.

 

Does any of your children have these or something similar dark purplish to light

purplish, pinkish circles under their eyes?

 

No matter what day it is or how much sleep my son gets. He always has these

under his eyes to varying degrees. If sick very noticeable and dark and he gets

extremely pale colored. He has severe oral and verbal Dyspraxia. By the way this

not allergy related or medical that I know of.

 

 I am wondering if this a sign or symptom or some relation to a neurological

disorder or is it relation to their medicines. This for my own curiosity by the

way. Just wondering since I noticed this in the other children also.

 

Thank you in advance for your responses.

 

Jeane and

NH

 

[Guest guest]

I call them " allergy shiners " . Both of my daughters have them (they are both

" typical " and have no dx allergies - however one takes allergy meds for asthma).

My son (w/ aporaxia) does not have them.

A past student of mine w/ a seizure disorder used to get them, his became more

apparent when he was about to have a seizure or had just had one.

Bonnie

[Guest guest]

My son has them, but has bad allergies/sinus issues. It is sometimes caused by

foods with a high phenols....food dyes, tomatoes, apples, peanuts, bananas,

oranges, cocoa, red grapes, colored fruits and milk.

-Jenna (mom to Larsyn 3.7 yo dx/severe verbal and oral apraxia, dyspraxia,

hypotonia, SPD and dysmorphic facial features AND Chance 6.2 yo NT)

Orange County, CA

>

> Hi,

>  

> I have a question for the group. We went to our annual PIH ( Partners In

Health) annual Christmas party yesterday with my son. This an organization for

children with Chronic health conditions in my state. When we there I noticed

that a lot of the children have  dark purple circles under their eyes as does my

son. Especially the ones with neurological disorders like my son.

>  

> For my own personal curiosity.

>  

> Does any of your children have these or something similar dark purplish to

light purplish, pinkish circles under their eyes?

>  

> No matter what day it is or how much sleep my son gets. He always has these

under his eyes to varying degrees. If sick very noticeable and dark and he gets

extremely pale colored. He has severe oral and verbal Dyspraxia. By the way this

not allergy related or medical that I know of.

>  

>  I am wondering if this a sign or symptom or some relation to a neurological

disorder or is it relation to their medicines. This for my own curiosity by the

way. Just wondering since I noticed this in the other children also.

>  

> Thank you in advance for your responses.

>  

> Jeane and

> NH

>  

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My son has mild dark circles under his eyes that are worse when he is sick. He

is 2 1/2 and not diagnosed apraxic and is gaining speech really quickly after I

started him on fish oil. I have dark circles under my eyes and always have. I

was not speech delayed at all, but as a child got some skin rashes from raw

goat's milk that got better once we started drinking regular milk. My dad has

the same thing, although he is not apraxic or anything, he does get horrible leg

cramps that are alleviated by high doses of magnesium and potassium

Liralen

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim,

 

Yes My sons circles aslo get darker when he is sick. Please let us know what you

find out about them . I would be interested in the information. Thank you.

From: Dojonovic <kpdojonovic@...>

Subject: RE: [ ] Question for the group?

Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 9:26 AM

 

my daughter does too!!! genetics says they are ALLERGIC SHINERS..... we had her

tested for allergies thru the allergy dr and everything came back

NORMAL....however, we did the IgG testing, etc thru a DAN dr and she had some

foods to come back....we eliminated those foods but she STILL gets the

circles..... they are darker when she is SICK.....she has oral apraxia and

swallowing dysfunction. ... kim

@groups. com

From: jamie199866

Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 06:08:26 -0800

Subject: [childrensapraxiane t] Question for the group?

Hi,

I have a question for the group. We went to our annual PIH ( Partners In Health)

annual Christmas party yesterday with my son. This an organization for children

with Chronic health conditions in my state. When we there I noticed that a lot

of the children have dark purple circles under their eyes as does my son.

Especially the ones with neurological disorders like my son.

For my own personal curiosity.

Does any of your children have these or something similar dark purplish to light

purplish, pinkish circles under their eyes?

No matter what day it is or how much sleep my son gets. He always has these

under his eyes to varying degrees. If sick very noticeable and dark and he gets

extremely pale colored. He has severe oral and verbal Dyspraxia. By the way this

not allergy related or medical that I know of.

I am wondering if this a sign or symptom or some relation to a neurological

disorder or is it relation to their medicines. This for my own curiosity by the

way. Just wondering since I noticed this in the other children also.

Thank you in advance for your responses.

Jeane and

NH

[Guest guest]

Neurological disorders and metabolic processing disorders as well as autoimmune

disorders go hand in hand.  Many if not most of our kids have all of these to a

greater or lesser degree. That's why the fish oil helps--becuase they cannot

absorb it naturally from other sources and their bodies/brains use so much more

of it to deal with the oxidative stress.  That's why for some kids to absorb

even the fish oil other nutrients need to be added like carnitine, vitamin E and

other antioxidants that help with absorption at cellular level.

So very good observation. Now you'd think doctors would notice stuff like this

too and start investigating and treating their patients for the

autoimmune/metabolic problems they have.

All the best,

Elena

From: imcaligal <imcaligal@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Question for the group?

Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 4:49 PM

My son has them, but has bad allergies/sinus issues. It is sometimes caused by

foods with a high phenols....food dyes, tomatoes, apples, peanuts, bananas,

oranges, cocoa, red grapes, colored fruits and milk.

-Jenna (mom to Larsyn 3.7 yo dx/severe verbal and oral apraxia, dyspraxia,

hypotonia, SPD and dysmorphic facial features  AND Chance 6.2 yo NT)

Orange County, CA

>

> Hi,

>  

> I have a question for the group. We went to our annual PIH ( Partners In

Health) annual Christmas party yesterday with my son. This an organization for

children with Chronic health conditions in my state. When we there I noticed

that a lot of the children have  dark purple circles under their eyes as does my

son. Especially the ones with neurological disorders like my son.

>  

> For my own personal curiosity.

>  

> Does any of your children have these or something similar dark purplish to

light purplish, pinkish circles under their eyes?

>  

> No matter what day it is or how much sleep my son gets. He always has these

under his eyes to varying degrees. If sick very noticeable and dark and he gets

extremely pale colored. He has severe oral and verbal Dyspraxia. By the way this

not allergy related or medical that I know of.

>  

>  I am wondering if this a sign or symptom or some relation to a neurological

disorder or is it relation to their medicines. This for my own curiosity by the

way. Just wondering since I noticed this in the other children also.

>  

> Thank you in advance for your responses.

>  

> Jeane and

> NH

>  

>

>

>       

>

>

[Guest guest]

My dd has purple rings under her eyes, although not the one with apraxia. My

daughter who has a milk intolerance has the purple rings.

I'm interested to hear what other parents' experiences are.

Lysa

[Guest guest]

Kim, these so called " allergy shiners " are tricky to pinpoint. There are

definitely main culprits but each child is different and for us just eliminating

the gluten and dairy wasn't enough, we had to eliminate soy, corn, eggs, and a

whole variety of foods she had developed secondary intolernaces to. BTW, her

alergy tests came back normal too, but after putting her back on the gluten and

casein --in just 3 weeks she had regressed behaviorally to where she ahd been

over a year and a half ago--no one could get along with her. She too had severe

apraxia but with diet/supplements we're down to moderate and improving all the

time. Her IGg was also a little low BTW, and the allergist admitted that with

her skin eczemas and scalp psoriasis she should have shown some sensitivities

and if she didn't and her IGg is so low, it means she is under-responding and a

metabolic investigation is in order--it is beyond him he said. 

However we are seeing a DAN we trust and getting great results with

diet/supplements, she's making huge progress, mainstreamed in kindergarten now

and learning well, so we'll just keep doing the biomed supplements and diet,

tweak it as needed and see where we go with it. i doubt a metabolic expert cna

offer better treatment at this point and it's not easy to find one. DAns by

definition test and treat metabolic problems--but as you know parents need to

stay on top of it and be part of the co-construction of the protocol and observe

all changes etc. And keep safety in mind always. DANs can get a little ahead of

themselves and parents need to be really well educated as to all the benefits

and potential risks and it is up to the parents to decide what options they

choose and what they want to risk and what not.  Not easy, but it really is up

to us. Good luck!

Elena

From: Dojonovic <kpdojonovic@...>

Subject: RE: [ ] Question for the group?

Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 9:26 AM

my daughter does too!!!  genetics says they are ALLERGIC SHINERS.....we had her

tested for allergies thru the allergy dr and everything came back

NORMAL....however, we did the IgG testing, etc thru a DAN dr and she had some

foods to come back....we eliminated those foods but she STILL gets the

circles.....they are darker when she is SICK.....she has oral apraxia and

swallowing dysfunction.... kim

From: jamie199866@...

Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 06:08:26 -0800

Subject: [ ] Question for the group?

 

Hi,

I have a question for the group. We went to our annual PIH ( Partners In Health)

annual Christmas party yesterday with my son. This an organization for children

with Chronic health conditions in my state. When we there I noticed that a lot

of the children have  dark purple circles under their eyes as does my son.

Especially the ones with neurological disorders like my son.

For my own personal curiosity.

Does any of your children have these or something similar dark purplish to light

purplish, pinkish circles under their eyes?

No matter what day it is or how much sleep my son gets. He always has these

under his eyes to varying degrees. If sick very noticeable and dark and he gets

extremely pale colored. He has severe oral and verbal Dyspraxia. By the way this

not allergy related or medical that I know of.

I am wondering if this a sign or symptom or some relation to a neurological

disorder or is it relation to their medicines. This for my own curiosity by the

way. Just wondering since I noticed this in the other children also.

Thank you in advance for your responses.

Jeane and

NH

[Guest guest]

Jeanne over the years dark circles under the eyes of some of the children in

this group appears to come up often. According to one pediatrician that

answered in this group this is not limited to just the apraxia/autism group -but

a not uncommon reaction to any type of allergen. Not necessarily just food

allergens- but could be environmental as well. I have below a collection of

clips of various archives that provide theories from yeast, to dairy, to vaccine

damage, to gluten and casein in the suspected " cause " ...and a few clips from an

interesting thread from one parent on how fish oils helped her son who has a

rare eye condition (her son is blind) that is characterized by less fat around

the eye which gives the appearance of dark circles. So seems like it's not

nailed down to one cause -or even if again this has anything specific to this

with this group. Could be- but it's unknown still. This could just be a kid

thing that a percentage of the population deal with.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~start of clip of archives starting from around 2002 to 2006

Dr. Wakefield has characterized a new form of inflammatory bowel

disease which is termed autistic enterocolitis. This new variant of

bowel disease has been accepted in the the field of gastroenterolgy.

Dr. Wakefield has found the measles virus in the gut of autistic

children in a peer reviewed study in the Lancet. Researchers in Japan

have identified the measles virus in the gut of autistic kids as being

consistent with the vaccine strain of measles. I haven't heard of

evidence of leaky gut but the fact that vaccine strain measles is the

gut of autistic kids is certainly worth looking into in my humble

opinion. Large number of parents report that their children acquire

diarrhea shortly after their MMR vaccine and a sickly drawn look to

their faces. Our son's before and after MMR pictures are striking in

their difference. The before pictures are of a healthly looking

slightly chubby face. The after picture show a gaunt/haunting look

with dark circles under his eyes. There was a huge picture display at

a Washington DC autism rally a few years ago with before and after

pictures of autistic kids and nearly all the kids exhibited the same

type of before and after look.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hoping this is of interest to someone... : )

I started Austin on EFAs 2 wks and 2 days ago. The biggest changes are the

attempts at words and actual words that we can figure out coming out. He's

happier and no longer seems autistic as we were beginning to think he might be.

Many times we aren't certain of what he is trying to say, but we are so darn

happy he is getting anything out of his mouth.

Yesterday he said " ama " for mama. He has slurred some sentences, saying them

almost in a hum. (he's done that before but it's been a very looong time) He has

put a few words together when they are presented together to him. He is

displaying sounds and knowledge we saw a really long time ago. For example in

playing with a phonics desk he was naming a few letters again. Last time he did

that he was around 13-15 months. He labled N and M and looked for O and found it

when I asked. Didn't continue to quiz those though. Letters are pretty much

useless to him as he is blind and will need to learn braille. (resistant to it

though)

The word lion was one of the first we heard after starting the EFAs. Yesterday

it became " ianl " . It sounded like lion all mixed up. He is trying to make word

sounds for his song Twinkle as of last night.

As for his sleep- WOW! You can't even imagine. Austin has not slept more than

about 8 hours total a day for well over a year, with only exceptions being

medication for illnesses. If he had extra sleep he would stay awake longer.

Well, at the exact time I started the EFAs, he began sleeping about 10 hours a

night! He is even occassionally taking a nap of up to 2 hours. (rare though)

His eyes- not sure. I don't really know that I expect anything will happen there

but I keep wondering. His disease is characterized by a flat ERG (measures rod

and cone functioning), dark circles under eyes, nystagmus and profound

farsightedness. Austin has glasses, but mostly for cosmetic reasons. He had

begun to refuse them altogether and we were giving up on him wearing them any

longer. When I put him on the EFAs I decided 2 days into it to try the glasses

again. He started wearing them. He would throw them off occassionally, but was

wearing them the majority of the time. Yesterday he ran into 3 big items. He

never does this with or without the glasses. He threw the glasses immediately

each time. As if he felt they were to blame- which is very interesting. The dark

circles under his eyes are slightly lessened. I'm not sure if that's significant

or just puffy eyes in the morning?

Ok- didn't mean to go on so long.

I love hearing updates and hope others will continue to post them.

Lynn

Austin 28 months (LCA)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Re: confused...yeast ?

Hi ,

YES,YES YES !!!!!!!!!!!

If your little one has had lots of anti-biotics there is a

possibility that he has a yeast/candida problem !! And thrush is a

yeast infection . Your child could be fighting yeast without you

knowing it .

Symptoms can be minor and if your child has had a yeast infection for

some time they may be hardly noticeable. My son had a red ring around

his anus which was sometimes itchy, a very strong sugar craving and a

pale face with dark circles under his eyes. There are lots of other

symptoms. Unfortunately many children actually give false negative

tests for yeast ..as Charlie did... but he needed the treatment as

was apparent the minute we started.

You can get a number of good pro-biotics such as Culturelle and Pro-

Bio Gold . Have a look at the www.kirkmanlab site and also go and ask

this same question at the group site. If you have any probs get

back to me as I am trying to give you the info sites for the US ( I

am in the UK ) I may need to check them for you.

My son has autism and when I read about the link I started him on a

good specific pro-biotic ( to feed the good bacteria we should all

have thriving in our gut ) and then saw a Pediatric Consultant who

was happy to prescribe nystatin ( an anti-funagal) to fight yeast!

When we started the nystatin Charlie increased his speech . !!!

~~~~~~~~~~~

Re: before and after photos

He started the EFAs in May, I just looked it was May 19th. So far it's been 3

1/2 wks. I will look for a picture that may have been taken closer, just haven't

taken the time. What I did was to look at my ofoto album for a picture to see if

we were really seeing as big a difference as it seemed. We noticed the dark

circles filling in pretty fast, probably about 1 1/2 wks. Most of the pictures I

take of him are with his glasses on and because I hate his eyes without the

glasses. He had ditched them once again before EFAs. The eye dr felt it was

behavioral. It's hard to explain that he is blind and has glasses. We have

always felt there was a little vision there but can't prove anything past light

perception. When he ditched the glasses I was giving up. We'd had 2 prescription

change lenses in the last 8 months. The shape of his eye is rather flat and for

him to see, if he could or if any of his rods and cones were working, he would

need things magnified 225% to see 4 ft in front of him. His glasses are being

repaired. I plan to have his prescription checked again. I called the genetics

dr in Houston and left the message about the speech and EFAs, as well as the

change in the circles under his eyes. He has not called back yet. I also

happened to find his name on similar research with EFAs in regards to a related

form of blindness. I'll let you all know if that pans out to be anything neat. I

feel I've found loads of research and info pointing to the EFAs and his disease.

I could be hoping too much though.

So, no- none of his drs' have seen him yet. ECI is due to come back and evaluate

him in the next few weeks. His speech therapist did ask me if he was saying any

words now. I said yes, but that I didn't want to tell her anything else so that

she can tell me what SHE thinks. ; ) smirk. She will be very receptive of the

information. I only hope she is able to help others by hearing about it all.

I plan to fully explain all of this to his dr's. I also am seriously considering

seeing and alternative medicine dr. I was told of a man who was a regular dr and

switched. I'm intrigued.

I think i answered all questions? um, it was definitely the proEFA that fixed

the eyes. He is also taking carnosine as of last Friday. (2 400 mg a day) I am

thinking he could use an uppage on DHA, but I can't decide. I'm not certain the

EPA is what he needs next. But doesn't the EPA come with DHA? In the proEPA

formula? In addition to the proEFA and carnosine... I have been getting a

multi-vitamin down him thru a GNC spirutein brand strawberry protein mix. Oh,

and I occassionally give him evening primrose oil, mostly on days i think he

needs a bit more fat from the Omega 6 side. He gets little fats, good or bad. I

noticed that with the evening primrose oil he gets a bit more peppy. (a good

peppy)

Lynn

Austin 28 monthsI wanted to upload 2 comparison pictures of Austin. One from Oct

and one from

yesterday. It shows the dramatic affects the EFAs have made on his eyes.

However, I looked and this email group has no setting for photos. Can I attach

them to an email and send them through? Otherwise I guess ppl will have to

write me privately to get a look. It's so flooring I wanted everyone to see it.

Austin's blindness is from a genetic disorder called LCA (Leber's Congenital

Amaurosis). One of the characteristic traits of it are dark circles under the

eyes, due to a lack of fat tissue under them.

Let me know how I can post this or write me privately and I'll send it to you.

It's really unbelievable.

Lynn

Austin 28 months- and super glad his mom is getting him nutrition. : )

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

And from 2006 -an entire thread about dark circles under eyes with various

reasons and suggestions: Here's one good one that talks about allergies

"

Re: Dark circles under eyes?

They are often referred to as " allergic shiners " . But its not always food

that's the culpret. The allergies can also be environmental, so many kids

get it seasonally, like in the spring with all the blossoms, or as a result

of cat dander - or some other allergen. Its always very difficult to

pinpoint. But kids with allergic shiners often also have asthma, eczema or

chronic sinusitis. You may want to seek out a good allergist. But if its

environmental allergens - hard to avoid. "

/message/46208

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

=====

[Guest guest]

Sorry for the delayed feedback, but be persistent with allergies. As

mentioned by a few people the allergies didn't show up on the skin test. Some

food allergies, like gluten will be better with a blood test. We asked our

ped. for a gluten test and she gave us the Celiac blood test. Told us

that one of the levels was high, but that was normal. We insisted on getting

a gluten test and it came back positive. Jay has been off gluten and dairy

for 2 years and the difference is amazing. We saw sudden differences in

behavior and his development has taken off since then. We also went to 2

allergists until we found one that would even entertain the idea of food

allergies causing neurological problems.